Chinese Spirit Medium in lieu of Daoist beating himself bloody in low res video
Let me first define an "inventory warrior" for those who don't know what that is.
It's a Castaneda fan, usually of only the first 3 or 4 books, who likes to pretend to be an "impeccable warrior", but never follows the difficult instructions given by don Juan, to learn to get silent, engage in gazing, and figure out how to move your assemblage point.
They just pretend all that, taking huge pride in their knowledge of "sorcery facts", from the books.
They're hopeless. Will never learn sorcery, because they don't actually want to.
That defined, someone took up my challenge to show another place like this subreddit where Buddhists are learning something real.
He did a good job! Even I was impressed while reading it.
But it was described with different words than we u se. Words obviously tainted by Buddhist ideas.
And it didn't really get the person out of the green zone.
It did however shed some light on why Buddhists can get stuck in the green zone, insisting it's an ultimate achievement.
We haven't explored what happens when you shift horizontally on the green line, because we aren't confined there. Possibly because we don't shun inorganic beings.
Don Juan did say that without their dark energy you can't move your assemblage point the way sorcerers do.
That might not be a "can't get to orange without it". Or "can't get to SK without it" type of thing.
Don Juan didn't define where you are stopped because he didn't divide the second attention up the way we do, with our J curve obsessions.
Which are necessary for our learning methods.
The new seers had their own obsessions. Such as Nagual's Blow obsessions, "dent removal" obsessions, and "remembering everything" obsessions associated with how they learned.
But still, what if don Juan wasn't referring so much to a hard barrier along the J curve, but rather to something else less easy to define.
The difficulty level perhaps.
It's "possible" for someone to move, for example, down to the red zone with no help from anything.
But unlikely. And if they did once or twice, it would soon seem irrelevant and not worth pursuing if they didn't do that daily.
The second attention is easily erased from our mind over time. Sometimes mere seconds, the way a dream can be forgotten so quickly shortly after waking up.
And if it's unlikely to move from green to red without inorganic being assistance, the same is true of red to orange, and orange to purple.
So to go from green on the J curve diagram which uses Railroad tracks as the analogy, all the way out to purple Station at the very end, without dark energy, is perhaps not "impossible" but just so unlikely it'll never happen.
You MIGHT suddenly decide to become the world's best golfer and put in all the effort required.
But it's very unlikely.
Keep in mind, Buddhists shun spirits. They've been told to ignore them.
Shinzen Young did just that, after he had an inorganic being make a huge effort to become friends with him, even producing tactile and auditory information to go along with a vision of a little drummer man standing on his hand.
Shinzen made fun of it, saying it was a topic for philosophers. Not for an enlightened man like himself.
Meanwhile Daniel Ingram talks to demons, but you have to realize he talks to demons far less often than our people do. Or he'd have realized they aren't demons very early on.
Still hasn't!
He still perceives them as such which pretty much means it's extremely rare for him to be able to do that, and he's implying something that isn't true.
Buddhism encourages that sort of dishonesty because it changed Hinduism by making enlightenment "permanent", and into some kind of real transition your teachers could detect and evaluate, to declare you enlightened and worthy of your own little throne.
They have a throne reward system going on.
It's the cheapest possible "reward", because you have to get your OWN little throne, and collect your OWN dedicated monk followers to chant at your feet and put money in your donation box.
But angry men are so awful, that's a gigantic motivation to them. We lost Tony to that urge.
To lord it over others as a "recognized" guru, saint, or master.
I got into a spat with Shinzen, pointing out that Buddhism was Juvenile Hinduism.
A thought he instantly understood! He's no fool.
But he couldn't accept that because it would "dethrone him". So he insisted I couldn't find a single scholar who would agree with that.
Also a very bizarre delusion. That there are any scholars at all who have good insight into religious systems.
Just read around. There are not.
And typical of Buddhists, who seek "endorsement from a higher authority" more than actual magic.
And once you have a reward system going, instead of the reward just being magic in your face, you set up the worst thing that can happen to followers.
Reward seeking, outside actual magic. And rewards that are human provided. You have to be "declared" enlightened, by someone else from your system who has also been declared as such.
But I'm afraid to say, Japanese Zen masters almost universally look down on the Dali Lama as a fake.
Just a figurehead. Who would not qualify as "enlightened" when faced with a Japanese Zen master teacher. So that one monk's "endorsement system" is not transferable to a different set of monks. They don't recognize each others credentials.
I don't want to get into that controversy any deeper, even though it's very revealing.
But once you have people seeking human rewards you set up a specific mindset.
The mindset of the inventory warrior.
The guy bent on "proving himself" with his "understanding".
Words mostly. At least in our predicament, surrounded by Castaneda fan inventory warriors.
They're even more hollow than Buddhists or Yogis.
At least Buddhists have cool magic in their face, like that description of Dzogchen darkroom someone posted a link to.
Maybe I'll copy it to here.
But still, that's an inventory warrior.
Except, with "proof".
Our inventory warriors don't have a meditation system that's easy enough for them to actually try it. And many add one on from an Asian system, to get that "proof".
Or eat some shrooms.
But in fact, our own inventory warriors are even more pitiful than those in asian systems, because at least the asian systems see a taste of real magic from time to time.
Let me back up here.
If you have someone interested in magic, there can be multiple reasons.
We can't pin it down to a single one.
Women for example, perhaps want to fit into a lifestyle.
They want a "magical lifestyle". Why not? It's easier to learn when surrounded by practitioners.
It's not universal, but we see that in the behavior of women in general in the subreddit.
They phase in and out.
Depending on what's going on in their normal lives.
The men tend to be obsessive, and stick around more consistently. For a while.
But they burn out rather than fade in and out.
They seem more reliable in terms of short term participation, but they're also liable to disappear for long periods if something else catches their attention.
Men and women have different motivations to learn sorcery.
Neither purely based on a desire for the magic itself.
So people have something that motivates them, but it's not what it ought to be to keep them on track daily.
We have no teachers. No entertaining don Genaro to toss a bucket of miracles in our face.
We have to "self-motivate", which is a rare talent indeed.
Our own inventory warriors believe they can pretend sensations and feelings and wise thoughts, fit them into the "warrior's Way", and declare themselves enlightened.
They're self-certifying now that there are no authorities around to contradict them.
And what they want is to wear the rambo headband and lord it over others as "genuine shaman teachers". Stealing as much money and attention as they can.
While their magic is non-existent.
And they don't care.
Daoists work themselves up into frenzied trances, hitting themselves on the head with boards with nails in them until blood drips down their heads. They're closely associated with the self-harming mediums in Taiwan. Who are depicted in nice cell phone pictures of high res, while you can only find Daoists beat themselves bloody, in rare youtube videos.
But Daoists also gaze at candles and such. They are very much in search of "magic in your face".
So they can cash in with it.
And they know how to get green line effects, even if those are a little bloody.
Buddhists also use that sort of "forced green line" effect when they chant and beat on drums, in a very ritualized fashion.
The idea is to stop thinking about all your problems for a while, in a repeating procedure, so that your assemblage point can learn to move a bit under that circumstance. And "notice" things. Which will be easier to notice, the next time.
If everyone is chanting with their eyes closed in a pleasing ritual, magic will begin to "store" into that container for them!
Magic will even store into "Church containers", with "the holy spirit" (an unknown inorganic being that specific church picked up), flying above the old church goers.
Giving them that sensation of "magic through Christ".
And you end up with potentially vivid green zone effects.
Green zone effects can be generated by just about anything. As don Juan said, the fastest way to make a direct hit on the second attention is with repetitious acts.
And we know the men of knowledge needed their rituals to succeed.
So we have various motivations possible for wanting to learn magic. Attention from others is the one we hope to avoid, but it's impossible to achieve that except in very rare cases.
It could be, our subreddit's discovery that 1 in 100 who will try, and 1 in 500 who will get far enough to see reliable silent knowledge, is mostly a measure of who actually wanted magic, more than human attention.
Dismal odds there.
So our own "inventory warriors" who have only pretending magic, such as "I feel POWER", or "I can FEEL the flow of ENERGY", are one specific level of awful.
But how much worse, if you could get to the green line doing that? Incorporate some real magic, into your egotistical motivations.
We can "talk those simple inventory warriors down" to some extent. The ones with no current way to see real magic.
Not the angry ones perhaps.
But the borderline inventory warriors will snap out of it once they see pictures of real magic a few times.
They change over to believing they could do that too, so the fake rewards of human attention seem less appealing.
But imagine if they actually had a technique that got them to the green line, and RELIABLY.
Meditation does that.
But so does shamanic drumming! It's just that you don't get a little throne for what you experience during shamanic drumming.
A smelly bath with pink champagne and candles all around, gets women reliably to the green zone.
But no one "honors" them for self-soothing like that.
Frankly, that's a mistake. We should fix it one day.
Make impromptu assemblage point movement techniques like soothing baths, be more reputable as the magic they really are.
Cholita is the master of those forms of magic.
Or make witches spells, and what you "feel" while doing them, more clear as an actual "achievement".
The Magick people swear they have the real thing, even while the principles behind it are total nonsense.
You just have to look at the history of that practice to realize it doesn't even make sense, from their own point of view. Of the claims of where it came from.
It always came from frauds if you go back far enough.
But it produces green line effects. We have some former Magick types in the subreddit, and they did in fact experience green line magic doing it. Now that they understand how the J curve works, they can clearly see that.
So here's where you get into trouble with beginner's level of real magic.
How you get "trapped".
When you have a primary motivation for human rewards. Attention seeking.
When you belong to a cash based magical system like Buddhism, which needs endless money just to survive.
And where they have to come up with endless "new products" all the time, just to get by. New "advanced meditation techniques", new sacred scrolls you have to purchase, new "Siddhi" techniques.
But back to Daoists who work themselves up into frenzies, with demonic possession.
It's not really "advertised" in the west.
Our exposure to Daoism is through bad player western men who wanted to set up a profitable franchise here. And didn't want us to understand the actual context of Daoism at his source.
You have to be in actual Chinese countries to see them running around with the silver chests to hold the exorcised demons, the Daoist priests insisting the chest is very heavy and the audience needs to pay them coins to make it worth their while to move it around like that.
It's an "honor" to be a "silver demon chest" bearer at the Buddhist Temple. They make a big show of it, and both before and after that part of the festival Daoist priests on stilts let the kids toss firecrackers at them, to show they are "invulnerable".
An obsession they had during the Boxer Rebellion, which lead to them all being shot to death with guns.
But our old seers were no better. They also believed they were "invulnerable" until other waring native american tribes nearly wiped them out. Same happened after they fled to the Toltec nation. Again invaded and nearly wiped out.
Both Daoists and Old Seers became deluded by seeing actual magic in whatever form, mixed with their own "inventory" of what their techniques mean.
A mistaken idea plus a little "magic in your face", is a very hard delusion to remove.
Inventory warriors with a taste of the real thing, are "invulnerable".
That's the sense of entitlement they get, when you mix delusions plus real magic.
Let's pick on the Jews a while. Everyone else does.
The Jewish prophets had "techniques".
They forced themselves silent, but in bizarre ways. Folding in half in the desert is one.
And they became obsessed with perceiving inorganic beings, through the lens of religious delusion.
IOBs love religious delusions! It makes them more important to humans.
The Prophets also became obsessed with visiting heaven, and God.
All of those, surprisingly, are just green line effects.
Heaven is simply a 50% shift left on the green line.
God? I have no idea, but you can visit God while you can only get to the green line.
I have several times in the past.
It's a far horizontal shift, which aligns that bundle of shared emanations from all the people praying to him.
In other words, those emanations are "lit up" with residual awareness, by people up at the blue line.
Who pray, wish, hope, close their eyes, or try to have visionary dreams of God and Heaven.
That's what lights up the "blob" of emanations that makes it possible to visit God or Heaven.
They're phantom constructs but from blue line people, forcing green line effects through haphazard techniques.
You can't possibly dissuade a religious person who gets to visit God or Heaven, or hears Jesus speak to him during praying, that their religion is false.
Try telling the Jews that Lucifer, the entire basis of their religion, is not actually in a war with God in Heaven.
You'll be accused of religious hatred.
Likewise, try arguing with a Thai Buddhist. It's such a "religious" variety of Buddhism that the Chinese don't even consider it the same thing.
I guess it's like born again christians insisting Catholics are not actually "christians". As they, the "born agains", truly are.
The Thai are much more likely than the Chinese to meditate or pray and get to the green line, while thinking about their Buddhist "inventory".
You could say they are "avid inventory warriors" for Thai Buddhism theology, but who can also get to the green line. A tiny bit.
How much worse if you have an actual serious westernized Buddhist who has the "sanitized" form of the religion, altered to be more western and intellectually sound in nature, and who can get to the green line.
And experience what is stunning, to someone who hasn't seen that.
It's real magic in your face!
Even if you have to sit with your eyes closed.
So once you have that magic in your face you'll want to sustain it. Get more. Get it reliably.
And what do you turn to?
Your inventory items! To what you consider sound advice from the masters.
Sacred scrolls. Buddhist descriptions of higher and higher states.
Ingram became obsessed with proving all of those, just because he saw a few puffs and talked to a few demons.
He didn't "see the truth". He saw an opportunity to get more human attention by using his new found magic, to "prove" even more Buddhist theology.
He become trapped by green line experiences, instead of liberated.
One might surmise, and I often do, that if you can get someone to the green line you won a battle with them. You got them to go from social reward seeing, to seeking magic.
But clearly you don't. You can just look at how trapped Asian meditation system people get, from a few meager green line effects.
They believe it verifies all the inventory they were given, further trapping them in delusions.
So they try to "map out" all the delusions to see them for themselves, because they're really, mostly, seeking human endorsement.
And their "inventory of higher states of conscious" implies they're inferior, if they don't understand all of them.
Their thinking becomes, they got this far so surely they can go all the way!
An inventory warrior with a working meditation technique is virtually a lost cause for ever learning sorcery.
Especially when given the instructions to ignore spirits and visions.
To seek self-soothing "deeper and deeper" levels of silence.
By the way if you get silent, the world simply stops.
It can't do otherwise.
So they aren't getting deeper and deeper levels of silence.
What they're doing is ignoring intermittent internal dialogue, because they get weirder and weird green line effects from shifting horizontally.
We have the same problem. NONE of us has ever gotten fully silent except possibly by accident, and with the help of an inorganic being.
I stopped the world, but without little smoke to help I could only get to the edge.
Where you still have internal dialogue on an intermittent basis.
People practicing meditation confuse bliss and going in and out of visions, with silence.
I suppose they don't have any idea that there's a necessary 2 minutes just to get the assemblage point to start moving. And hours to move all the way to Silent Knowledge.
So they believe that "silence" is something you could experience, after 10 seconds.
If they blank out or loose lucidity by transitioning between visionary states, they have no understanding of assemblage point movements to explain why that happens.
So they interpret it according to their mistaken inventory items, from the religion that teaches that technique.
They literally get trapped moving horizontally at the green line trying to duplicate pointless past observations of green line results by former meditators, because they actually seek human attention.
Not magic.
And the magic they get to perceive just causes them to get all the more trapped.
It's no different than sorcerers getting trapped by the red zone.
That's just "more fun", so we tend to think of it as "nobler".
Julian was hooked on shapeshifting sex in my opinion.
That's all.
He was an addict to the red zone's pleasures, the same way Buddhists and Hindus can become addicted to the green zone.
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I feel personally attacked. It’s great! Thank you for striving to keep things clear. Question: If I’m hearing my breathing as I do the fanning head movement but no internal dialogue (seems like maybe it happens for a few seconds at a time) would that be considered being silent? It feels like I’m dependent on the sound of the inhale and then exhale to maintain the silence for a few seconds so maybe it isn’t.
It's possibly noticing a potential assemblage point movement path. So see i fyou can exploit it.
EXCEPT, as you know, if you try to exploit it, you just dirtied your link to intent.
It's a vicious cycle!
But if you are silent, the world simply stops.
End of story.
It can't sustain without the internal dialogue.
It's quite stunning. And you even realize "why" is has to stop.
Its' odd, because it's utterly impossible to explain.
But we CREATE our view of the world. It's not created by the emanations themselves.
It's our "preferences".
So 100 million emanations are ignored, 1 million used, and the ones used are "all you".
All your fault.
If you stop "selecting" with your internal dialogue, you're face to face with 101M emanations unwilling to take any form you could comprehend.
It's too many to perceive.
Fortunately for us, even a tiny bit of silence gets you to the green line. No need to be truly silent.
More and you get to see intense magic in the red.
But when the internal dialogue is completely off, you don't interpret anything to be anything in particular so the emanations start to "reskim" to help you out, but can't find a basis for it.
Reality begins to "make you an offer you can't refuse".
Except you do.
And you end up seeing all of the emanations at once, in some kind of "leftover impression" view.
I see something similar to that scene in "The Matrix" where the world is just fibers of light.
Not precisely, but close enough to be "suspicious".
I probably see that, because it's the closest thing to what you might see if you had enough interpretation to make something materialize.
I suppose others might see "The Eagle" too, but that also is latent impressions someone else caused to "infect" you.
I'll have to animate that. It's pretty darned cool to see.
You can gaze into any of those "bundles" (streams of fire that are visible), and you instantly go inside that world.
And can turn your head to go back to the raw emanations.
Don Juan said you shouldn't look at that view too long in our tonal body.
It's fatal.
And you can look longer in the double, but in the end he dissientigrates from the sight.
How many seconds can we safely look at the emanations with our physical body? And how many seconds with the energy body?
They never said.
We just have to "find out"!
I'll volunteer you for 10 minutes in your physical body, and 2 hours in your double.
Then we can find out if those times are ok.
But I do suspect the voice of seeing helps out with this.
Seeing the emanations is 100% Silent Knowledge.
It's a presentation method, for what creates presentations.
And if you need some explaining, I believe it will.
I went back and forth into a single "flame" of emanations that was in front of me, to try to understand how that flame represented an entire world.
I knew it was a "bundle", but not more details about how that works.
But on the second time going back and forth, a voice warned me not to keep doing that.
Said I would "dissolve".
But there wasn't actually a voice, because there was nothing but emanations.
I just "knew" it was a bad idea.
Maybe we can wear welding goggles, before going in there?
True, it's silly.
But the Eagle likes silly and darning.
They might work!
When Don Juan reported this I thought exactly of this scene from The Matrix, Dan you describing it like this, you already had a perception that our reality seems more like a holography, once when consuming Ayuasca and I was entering what they say in "force" I looked at the my body and mostly arms and hands and I saw several golden triangles, like a mesh, looking like the triangles that force an object into three dimensions, like in computing, have you reached this level of perception yet? or also and a bullshit bitch think about it?
obs : I'm using translation, ignore the way of the text, I meant if you ever had this perception of reality or think about it? or else this is just a green zone.
I suppose I don't understand.
I'll have to guess what you're asking.
You can watch reality "assemble" from pieces, if you get silent enough.
I suggest using your Ally to help with that. Watch HER assemble. She'll figure out you are doing that, and "slow down the process" to make it easy to notice.
But you will carry a prejudice in viewing how reality comes together from pieces.
So if you know about how video graphics are currently produced mainly from triangles, that will "color" your perception.
Everything we perceive is just a glow of awareness activating some emanations, which send back feelings.
Which ones get activated is messed up when you're using a power plant.
Or when you get completely silent.
At that point, anything at all can be the deciding factor in which emanations are glowing.
Even some tiny fact in the back of your mind.
Like how video card Cudas love to play with triangles.
If you get nearly perfectly silent and watch the world collapse, you realize nothing we can think about, even what you just said, has any real meaning to it.
It's based on what you encountered in the past, not on some aspect of "the real reality".
There isn't any.
I suspect that "the abstract" starts to become visible in the deep orange zone, and that gives you a healthy realization that "meaning" actually isn't as meaningful as we believe.
But power plants could never get you that far on the J curve.
Instead they scramble meanings and make them seem even more "meaningful".
I understand, thanks for your answer, I think it's also difficult for our rational mind to try to build something "real" that we haven't used yet and trying to understand it only makes it more confusing, funny that by nature we are always curious and want to understand and fit in with what we find in the our comfortable worldview. I thought here about Genaro's antics, when Carlos didn't try to rationalize what that was and gave himself up, so everything intentionally, it was like a key, the child does that a lot, gives himself up for experience, I see that a lot in my son, that trigger it changes our static assemblage point I think. sorry that I was reflecting and wanting to travel here, thanks.
Did you know that Genaro was nearly always in his double?
Don Juan too most likely.
Carlos had only met the real Genaro twice when one of the later books was written.
I'm glad to hear that sort of thing when it comes up, so I don't think I'm going crazy when I get home and there's Cholita walking right past me and down the street.
Then I go in the house to put down my things, expecting to run back out and see where she's going.
But she's cooking dinner in the kitchen.
In the middle of chopping up a pile of something.
I'm always too afraid to go see what she's cutting up. With Cholita, it could turn out to be a hotdog.
She stages things to keep me nervous.
This reminded me of something last night. I swear, whatever we call what the fliers do was happening to me. All of a sudden I shrank and had some disgusting image of myself, felt God awful. Thankfully, I was half asleep, because ordinarily I'm usually just halfway up my own ass and not very good at this. All of a sudden I felt an intent to slap around that paradigm, and I imagined the egg sandwich I ate earlier. The feeling was like "ohhhh god yes you beautiful lovely sandwich come be a part of me". Joy and just wholesomeness. And the next thing I knew I had sudden expansion into my body and the space immediately around me, and I was free again. The image and its feeling was no longer grabbing my attention. It was like reality flipped over. It doesn't seem like the default nature of reality is in any way serious or detrimental like organic lifeforms make it. And whatever was happening to me is the antithesis of egg sandwich love-making, apparently.
And I heard a spiritual teacher I like a lot, one time say he was "ascending higher and higher" or something along those lines (maybe funny to yall lol). And some being called for him to turn back or he wouldn't be able to return. It felt right to my imagination then, and all of this feels oh so right now. This is the nature of life, I'm sure of it. I want to see it so badly. Dang it dang it dang it why does this have to be so cool!!!
Could have been an inorganic being too. Which of course the fliers are also, it's just that we don't find them "cuddly".
Carlos described them as being like giant slugs or walruses with a very long tongue.
And it could also have been "Mr. DoubleTake" having nightmares. He doesn't like sorcery. He was taught that it's "evil" or "broken" behavior.
I wish I could introduce Mr. DoubleTake to Cholita. Maybe even get him to go on a "date" with her.
She's both evil and broken, but that doesn't mean she can't break the laws of physics for real.
" But when the internal dialogue is completely off, you don't interpret anything to be anything in particular so the emanations start to "reskim" to help you out, but can't find a basis for it. "
Something weird started to happen recently, as I practice getting more and more silent, I kind of unlocked something in my eyes : when I stop the internal dialogue my vision gets blurred and vice versa, I don't see clearly anymore when that happen. I know Don Juan advised to walk this way without focusing on anything to get silent but I'm pretty sure I look like a degenerate walking like this ahah.
Also can we use the internal dialogue as a magical tool to select between the emanations we want to experience ?
Or in other words : do you think the internal dialogue creates the world ?
Because you tend to imply that if we stop thinking or describing the world, the world ends.
Yes I do.
However, the world we perceive still exists in the emanations.
It's just that 10,000 more also do, right in the direction you are looking.
If you went into #247 where donuts are king, and everything is made of sprinkles, you couldn't ignore the "laws of sprinkle conservation".
Over there, you can't diss the sprinkles.
And coffee is "evil".
Likewise here, you can't disrespect physical matter.
Our awareness has taken a liking to our physical body, and the tonal part is living in physical matter.
In our organs.
That physical matter is very real "emanations" in a difeerent band than our "Man's Band".
It's a band of emanations that creates organized space and physical matter. Or the appearance of such a thing.
And you can't alter the emanations. All you can do is shine some awareness into them, or not do that.
But the physical matter emanations exist, and will never change.
Even long after we're gone.
Our purple blobs of the energy body which is half of our total awareness, said "to hell with living in that physical matter", and they wander all over infinity instead.
Even try to get away from us, because of our obsessions.
And I'm afraid, our attachment to physical matter is not something sorcerers learned to conquer, without removing all of their awareness from being stuck in it.
We don't know enough about that.
BUT, while doing darkroom you get to ignore physical matter sometimes!
A friendly spirit puts a window on your dark bedroom wall, you see it, look outside, and wonder if that's "real".
Then if you are lucky, you actually feel a breeze coming through the window that isn't really there.
Wide awake, eyes open, completely sober.
So, if you look out the window to see if you could go over there, and it looks "safe", you can jump out the window and land for real in that other world.
Stay for hours!
But what happened to our physical body?
You never find out. No bumps on the head when you return.
You aren't crumpled up on the floor having smashed into the wall when you tried to jump through it.
It's simply "real".
Many such things will happen if you put in the time.
And you'll remember stories from the books where the same thing happened, but no one reading it would have noticed that "tiny" detail.
Once you do it yourself, you DO notice.
And it turns out, we were told about that.
There's a single statement about physical matter in the books saying a Nagual who "looks into the mirror of the second attention", can ALMOST vanish as if he had no physical matter.
Almost...
Bummer.
But then, there's the stories of old seers who went as a group into another world, and decided to stay there a very long time.
When they got back, their entire world was gone.
They'd been in there hundreds of years. Everyone was dead and their villages were gone.
We just don't know the answer to some things. If physical matter can't be ignored, what were they eating those 200 years they went to another world?
Great Lesson, thank you for that, one of the most enlightening texts I've read, it clarified many doubts, impressive what the illusion of the green curve does, I understood several things, even like "God", I think I understood why Don Juan always emphasized to Carlos not to give importance, because when we give too much importance this happens, there are several passages where Carlos has these "experiences" of the green zone and tells Don Juan all excited and he just doesn't give a damn.
I have to admit that when you first get to the green zone and can sustain it during the day, you might read a Zen "saying", like, "I eat when hungry, and sleep when tired."
And you get it!!! It sounds so wise.
But then after a couple of months "the buzz" wears off, and you wonder how on earth you fell for that egotistical nonsense.
I'm pretty sure that happens to Zen masters too. What they thought was "enlightenment" turns out to just be "sort of cool", once you get used to it.
But they never admit that!
I guess, they figure it's better than nothing, and maybe it's just them, that got used to it so that it no longer seems revolutionary.
Unfortunately you can't even have an honest conversation with a "Zen Master". To try to see if they'll admit that.
Dan, I thought here, today near-death experiences are very high, the famous NDEs, I've seen several reports, they seem a lot like trips from the green zone, but I also see that many experiences change the person for the better, I mean in the human aspect, like person and even abandon addictions, wouldn't that be valid? Or at the end of the day it doesn't matter much? I see that many come back and report that it seems like the door to another dimension has been opened and almost everyone is sensitive, does having a near death take the assemblage point in some direction that causes this to be definitive, have you studied anything about it?
I'd expect it to mostly be self-flattery and a realization that they will in fact die eventually.
I doubt there's a "magical" component to it. Although, dying certainly might move your assemblage point!
However, one of the the first things don Juan taught Carlos was to consider that his death was coming for him. Over his left shoulder.
So I guess that can have a very positive effect.
Which by the way, was just little Smoke the Ally playing "black dot of death".
I've seen her do that too.
gotta link for the video? i want to see how the bike got there.
No, it's long gone. I did that around 1AM while in sorcery states surrounded by visible spirits and phantom realms.
If you're a necrophile, you should learn to raise the dead!
Cholita showed me how. It works too! She even had it carry her on a plank down the road to hell.
Cholita likes drama. She was having a rough month.
Of course, you might just as easily raise a warrior monk nun, or an evil clown.
Either way, you'll kick the butt of every medium like that in Taiwan. In Chinese countries, all of that is just a racket.
They can't actually do anything but figure out how much a customer is able to pay.
thanks for looking, if i ever become a necrophilic necromancer, i will build a shack beside the local cemetery and get them while they are still fresh, and of course i will be sure to share the credit with everybody here.