It was suggested that we should sticky a post containing a simple guide to Darkroom Practice to the top of the sub for new practitioners.
u/danl999 's second post made in 2019 seems like the best one to point to:
For a more concise summary, from u/juann2323:
"Darkroom practice consists of looking for elements of the second attention in total darkness, while forcing inner silence, awake and with eyes opened, with the purpose of moving the assemblage point. The element that we use the most are colors that are visible in the dark: generally purple, but also blue, green, & pink among others. Also some sensations in the body, like the cobwebs, that are perceived when moving the hands slowly. In general, anything unusual that "shouldn't be there," and yet is perceived. By focusing on the second attention, in a condition of mental silence, the position of the assemblage point shifts. We can notice it visually (seeing energy), by changes in breathing, ringing in the ears, chills, etc. The key to this practice is to move the assemblage point as far as possible, each day. It is just one of many ways to learn sorcery; but we think it is one of the fastest and with has the most consistent results."
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Some practical tips on creating a dark space are in these posts:
Made Glasses for Darkroom Practice (modified welding goggles)
And since you can't read a single post without reading some reference to Darkness Practice, it shouldn't be a problem finding more information on it.
Just keep reading...and do a search for "Dark," or get into the collections, which appear to only work on PC/MAC, and not on Android/iOS:
I also created a Darkroom Practice flair for Smartphone/Tablet users. If tapping on the Flair button doesn't bring up anything, type flair:darkroom practice into the search box at the top of the smartphone app. This also works for the other Flairs.
Edit - April 22, 2021:
And here is an overview of what is possible as the assemblage point shifts:
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Thanks :) I am also using this (about 3 weeks) translated to Russian language with some other people.
Keep in mind, darkroom practice is only one path.
But it's a known, very fast path.
It's like jogging a few miles each day, to lose weight, compared to going for a half hour walk instead.
Horrible, but you get used to it.
Trouble is, it leads to inorganic beings infesting your home and workplace.
Which is fine by me! I love them.
Carlos had 2, gave them to his classes. Taisha and Florinda had their own 2.
Living at home on Pandora!
So they aren't really "evil", despite scaring people once in a while.
"Fancy", my new IOB, is an energy thief and kidnapper, but in fact, she makes up for it by being fun.
Like a dangerous girlfriend. Just watch for the switch blade in her purse and you'll be fine.
If you are afraid of them, an alternate would be what Carlos prescribed, before he realized he was dying.
He modified it at the end, which is what I brought here. His revised path.
Cleargreen ignored it.
I couldn't, it was taking too long to prove Carlos was telling the truth.
But, he did have a plan before he added IOB help and "the wall" to the mix.
It's the "cleargreen path".
Recap 3 hours a day, seriously. No messing around.
I said 3, but if you "cheat', you'll probably be OK.
Just learn to like it, so that sometimes you go for 4 hours!
Add at least 15 minutes of Tensegrity, learning a new move each day.
Better if it's 30 minutes, the amount of actual practice time in private classes. The rest was Carlos' stand up comedy routine. And we never practiced a given tensegrity pass, move more than 3 classes in a row.
Most only 2.
One move from a long form counts as the daily move. But if that's the case, each time you conquer a new move in the series, do the whole thing again, up to where you know it.
This reshapes the energy body, and helps stabilize the movement of the assemblage point. So you don't freak out when it moves.
Which by the way, is largely a trick. But I'll let you figure out what the trick is. If I told you the trick, you wouldn't fall for it.
Hint: If you pay for the doctor yourself, that shot he has to give you doesn't hurt as much as when your Mom used to pay for it.
And, force yourself silent during some daily activity, like driving the car, or going for a walk.
Then the trouble is, you REALLY need to detect the second attention.
The movement of the assemblage point.
That's where it all went wrong. No one tried to detect, and enhance it.
And so 25 years later, no one actually knew what the second attention was, or what it felt like when the assemblage point moved.
So, try a little closed eye silence before bed, to learn that. Check some lucid dreaming advice for that sort of thing. It's a common technique, to try to fall asleep while moving the assemblage point.
Another path:
Lucid dreaming.
Get it any way you can. But I suggest, forcing yourself silent as you lay on your side in bed, looking intently for colors, or visions. I mean REALLY force it, until it's awful and you're suffering like a madman.
When you get lucid in a dream, never let go without a fight. Go read fighting advice. It's out there. Grab dirt as it fades and you lose vision. Spin around. Stomp the ground, and throw a temper tantrum.
Even leap through a wall if you worry you are out of time, and know how to do that.
Pick a fight with the locals. That produces a "dream change".
If you are surrounded and trapped, and forced to wake up, don't move at all. Visualize the last safe thing you saw, before you were trapped. Don't stop visualizing that until you are back in, even if it seems to be taking forever.
Actually it's pretty fast. You just fret about it and it seems long.
Once inside, immediately focus on a distant place, stare hard at it, lean in slightly, and let it pull you.
A dream change renews how much time you have, and each day that time gets longer by a few seconds.
Keep that up, and you'll learn to lucid dream for hours every single night.
At that point find a scout, have a good talk with it, visit its world (don't expect it to look like what you read), and then immediately proceed to go to sleep inside the dreaming, twice. Three deep, and you can stay in there a whole week (=14 hours in waking).
Then, you'll find yourself bouncing around, unable to wake up.
And pee the bed probably.
Get used to wetting the bed.
But don't let that deter you. In fact, each false wake-up is precisely what you're after!
To wake up in a copy of your own room. But still in your dreaming body.
But you HAVE to fine tune landing in the real world, when you get to the 4th gate.
And learn to push some object, to prove you did it.
Cholita has that down, so it's completely possible.
Those are three paths I know of.
Only one is IOB free.
And it's the boring one!
The lucid dreaming methods you talk about are really interesting to me. I’ve been a lucid dreamer since I was a child and have always tried looking for ways to extend them as long as I can. I use the method of grabbing onto an object once the scenery fades quite frequently. As well as putting things in my mouth to stabilize. Sounds weird but it works. I’ve always wanted to find methods to be able to extend my stay in Dreamtime to days. You’re saying you can really stay in a dream for a week in dream time?
The method you mentioned; do you need to be in a scouts realm before going to sleep inside the dreaming in order to extend it? Or can you go to sleep in the dreaming while in a normal dream environment and extend it that way?
Also, you mention moving objects in the real world. How do you know when you’ve landed in the real world where you can move objects? I’ve been in dream copies of my house but the stuff I touch doesn’t move in the physical.
Also, what do you mean when you refer to the 4th gate?
touching the tongue to the roof of the mouth is one method from the books to retain lucidity. you discovered it on your own! kudos!
Lucid dreaming is AMAZING!
But I don't do it anymore, because it won't help my cause.
I need waking, visible magic. To silence the detractors of Carlos.
In your case, GO FOR IT!!!
The good news is, I know ways to enter lucid dreams directly from waking, and how to walk right out of a lucid dream, into the real world.
I don't get a chance to practice them, so if you learn to get lucid dreaming daily, I might be able to tinker with it a bit for you.
Stuff in the mouth? I never thought of that, but it's a good use of a secondary sense!
The more senses focused there, the longer it can survive.
Yes, of course you can stay in there a week!
Just go to sleep inside the first lucid dream.
When you wake up in the second, fall right on your side, and do it again.
The third one will be completely stable.
Now, do you really live every second there?
I don't know. But you get the memories of having done that.
I think it's more like, you have a little chat with your new "wife", she tells you to take out the garbage.
Next you're at dinner. You didn't actually go take out the garbage. But you remember having done it.
It's like that. You skip to the good parts, but can remember all of it.
I don't know if you need the scouts realm to do it, but since Carlos listed it as #3, and scouts realm as #2, it could be.
We have an argument about whether we really need the IOBs. No one can really resolve it, because there aren't enough people working hard, to decide.
Mostly the ones who are against IOBs don't work at all. They just talk.
How do you know you are in the real world?
Your skin will crawl! Something super creepy will be in the air.
The 4th gate is in Carlos' book, "The Art of Dreaming".
You should read that, if you want advice from me. Otherwise I'll have to keep explaining stuff you should already know.
I read one nagualist who has written many books based on Carlos works and he made HOW TO book regarding all required step from the beginner to the top of nagualism level through the lucid dreaming. He advises to avoid IOB until your energy body is fully formed, forged and you are quite experienced to feel and know where they took your energy or do smth else with you without being aware what they do..) I understand lucid dreaming works but kind of slower comparing to dreaming awake...
My guess:
He can't do anything at all. He's 100% phony.
No he's not as far as i know him) but i've heard Felix is giving paid lectures on his studies with Carlos to russian practitioners of tensegrity and this time i remembered your words about book deal.
Faction "G", for greed.
I'm pleasantly surprised I Know of no others in that faction.
Unless the guy from Spain turns out to be one.
What book is this?
Look for Alexey Ksendzyk. He has many books
I just googled that name and didn’t find anything, is that name spelled correctly?
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Since I started to do DARKROOM practice I have been able to dream. And I know I am going to Lucid Dream in the next few weeks.
Thanks for the guides!
Because you're "enticing" the dreaming double.
And also, if you force silence, you begin to save up the energy needed for lucid dreaming.
I am forcing silence not only during practice but also throughout the day.
2 things have been happening. 1)a great urge to be silence on certain places or time of day. 2) I feel that silence is coming to me now days... and often...
All of that is helping soooo much as I walk my daily ruttine.
Keep track of the time of day and what happens.
For some, very old internal dialogue grievances come up in the morning, just after they revive from being asleep and are headed to work.
Same grievance, each day, same time.
I have no idea how that works, but stalking would involve noticing things like that.
Notice it 2 weeks ago. And how I notice was my mood change, I started to have a loud internal dialogue fighting with a co-worker ( all in my head). As I pull up to my job I took notice, put some relax music in my phone, and continue with a great day!
I felt that day that if I had carried that fight in my head to the office, I think that unnecessary discussion was going to happened... but it didn't.
Also, I believe I have been avoiding (or just don't have them no more) that dialogue grievances in the morning by doing Darkroom practice.
It does reduce the internal dialogue.
That's because, it's REAL feedback.
It's not intellectual. It's not a "good analysis of what silence is".
It's feedback. If you're silent, the purple puff intensifies. If not, it evaporates.
So you learn that "feeling" of silence, and you can imitate it the next day.
I'm not sure how that relates to recap.
If you take out the moral implications of immortality requiring recap, and look just at the sorcery possibilities, we still don't know if you can learn to navigate the second attention, with no recapitulation at all.
I suspect we'll find out soon. We have some darkroom success stories now, from people who never did recap.
Not all posted.
It's really active right now.
This is exciting like a MOFO!!!!
After all I am having so much fun now days!!!!!!
How are you forcing silence during the day, like at work? I don't know if I'm at all on the right idea, but I try to more live right now, and disrupt thoughts about future/past. Your supposed to be observant of your thoughts / feelings, but its like I only catch or "watch" my thought after I thought the thought lol
Recapitulation has been the Key to my silence.
I have an advantage on recapitulation...
Sooo I am in a class that I started at the beginning of the year. The class is call Biodecodification. In simple words all it is, is a method or tool to face your inner fears, emotional strands (some called it the shadows) etc. In other words RECAPITULATION!!!! in this classes you learn the relation between early emotions and illness (like cancer) you will have during your life because of those repressed emotions and programs that started right at the beginning (fecundation) of your life....
... and for the purpose of seeing MAGIA REAL (REAL MAGIC) the class is perfect because I dedicate a whole 4 to 5 hours to pretty much recapitulate.
I also have access to a Place of Power..... in here is easy to shut internal dialogue. As I go to this place about 2 or 3 times a week, I have learned some cues (in my internal dialogue) in which it feels i have been creating a path to silence.
5 months ago i could sit still in one place and gaze/meditate for only 5 to 10 min... now days I can easily do 3 hours sitting on the same place, specially if I am at the Place of Power.
And yes!! I force silence at work, when I am driving, sometimes even when having a conversations (I dont know how to explain it tho, but it happens) and the crazy part is that now days I feel that silences comes to me....
u/Valtzu_92 There are more tools to learn silence than you think... We just full of crap that doesn't want to wash off... unless we force it... and it needs a shock...
BTW about 4 month ago I stopped using social media, stopped watching news, tv, online trash. I do indulge a lil bit on youtube with sports. Most of videos that I watch is personal growth. I also watch how much I am getting sucked in by ideas, systems, people, opinions... etc.
I did a big 180 of how i consume the world around me....
I don't think people have to do all that to see Magic... and for more practical knowledge u/danl999
will help you big time.
That sounds like an really interesting class! What countries have schools with courses like this? :o
How did you find the place of power? Just a known place? I think I have only found places of weakness, where my strength is drained.
Hey I also stopped to use social media, news and gaming that consumed most of my free time. YouTube I still use but I started to do some own videos. and then I try to limit what I watch to only "useful" content and some comedy now and then. working on Nofap also.
I didn't think about these like right now, But it has actually helped in a way to reduce internal noise as now my thoughts are not hovering around those topics. When I played a mmorpg (massive multiplayer online role playing game), with alot of depth and player interactions, I was pretty much 24/7 thinking about aspects of the game. The thinking just kept me in place for years.
look up Dr. Hammer decodification. There is a lot of content on that online.
How's your practice going?
I had a lucid dream where I was in a jail cell in a pitch dark place not room it looked like where eleven goes to off stranger things and a weird entity demonic girl that looked like me pop up and laugh and say I finally got you and then it felt like I fell into my body and woke up . Crazy shit . Is that the darkroom in a sense ?
No, darkroom is not sleeping dreaming.
Sleeping dreaming has never worked for anyone.
We need to bring your dreaming persona OUT, into the real world.
So there's two of you, for real.
Then there's spirits. You have to learn to visibly see them, fully awake, eyes open.
There's no point to doing that in dreams, or using drugs.
I don't believe you've ever encountered the real thing before, so better throw out whatever you heard or saw elsewhere.
Someone likely just wanted your money.
Who has magic, but they still want to get hold of your cash?
Something's really wrong in that situation.
But you also can't be a burden, or no one is going to help you.
They have nothing to gain, and if you want to rely on other people, you just drag them down too.
So how do I bring my second part out ? And no I’ve never paid anyone anything but I really want a teacher to help me . I had met a witch doctor in Africa to heal me from a dying sickness when I was younger and that’s the closest I’ve been to magic and I’ve had an exorcism performed on me when I was 19 and for some reasons cats are weirdly attached to me that’s for another time . And I have a lot of “realistic crazy dreams “ I just want to know what is going on with me. And my lineage of women are witches but majority of them are dead including my parents so idk who and where to go . Any advice on what to look out for and who to trust ?? I know some people learn better by themselves but I don’t . I tend to mess up and overthink things I don’t want to get myself caught in something that I can’t escape from.
You can't in your current state of mind.
You're needy, and still thinking people here are like those charging to teach "magic" and other stuff. Or that it's like some kind of college, where everyone has a salary.
This is a hobby just like model car making. Try insisting people in the model car subreddit have to help you.
You're also gullible and prone to self-flattery by pretending magic you have seen was real.
No sobriety.
So you need someone else to carry you up the mountain, but along the way you're going to argue with them about whether that's the right mountain, and they have to be impressed by your stories.
Just lurk like people advised you, and learn.
We can argue and disagree on that because you can’t say that what I’ve seen and experienced is fake . Multiple witnesses that have been with me to debate what you said . I am gullible but not a faker at all . Yeah I totally agree that I’m not ready right now but I’m trying to get there because I’ve been led astray not just by myself but others who I trusted on this topic I’ve done the observations and I don’t know which way to start is all I’m saying. You are telling people to observe but observe someone who is far beyond my understanding is hard to comprehend all I want is a breakdown of how and why it worked for someone so I can avoid those mistakes. Answers like this discourages alot of people because alot of them just need the right guide and you turn them away and tell them basically to learn driving a car without knowing how of course they will crash . I’m telling you my story to see if I’m on the right path or I missed something . Not so someone can be impressed I could care less . I’m at a crossroads in my life where I just need to know who I am and looking for help . But like you said I guess I would just end up second guessing them . You are right I’m just going to lurk and learn
Sure I can tell you that!
There's google now. It's no longer the dark ages, where anyone can say whatever they like.
If you found some magic, show me on a web page.
Let's see it.
A Buddhist might make the same argument you just did, but they'll also be unable to show any magic. After all their false promises, they can't show a single place that's convincing.
Maybe some claims, some "masters", but you need to be able to look at it, as an intelligent person, and see clearly it's not made up.
I'll allow, it can even be inaccessible, but it still has to clearly not just be some guy, or some old writings about the "Saint" Bob.
But look in here. Pics of magic, instructions, experiences.
Didn't you notice that? That's the lack of sobriety I was pointing out.
You have no interest at all in magic!
You didn't even notice where you had stumbled upon!
You were so worried about yourself, you didn't see that you'd hit the jackpot!
No one with any honesty could look in here, and deny people are learning to do what's in the pics.
We've been tested! Our worst enemy, the man who believes he debunked Carlos, came here to destroy it. And he had to admit, he couldn't explain what was going on.
And there are only 4 types of magic known to man as far as I know, but I'm still trying to work on the categories.
At least so far that's all I've seen.
I've studied that topic for the last 52 years. Continuously. When the internet came along, it even became possible to understand why people believe they have magic, but don't.
So just show me why you believe you saw magic.
If it was someone else doing it, and you "felt it", then show me the someone else.
Or the "school of someone else".
Not only will you not be able to find it, but anything you decided to show instead, will almost surely be an obvious fraud ripping people off.
And please don't pull a trick, I've seen them all.
Don't point me to so many bogus subreddits, that I'd have to spend a year to disprove you.
It doesn't count if you have 100 men lying to get attention, all saying they have euro "Magick".
I need to see some techniques, multiple people trying them, and the results they got.
If the results are, "I felt..." or "I had a sensation..."
That sort of stuff would not make it in a Spielberg movie.
And it shouldn't be enough for anyone, who's going to invest so much of their time into it.
Pretend it's a job, and you aren't going to take the job, unless you believe you will get paid soon enough that you don't die of starvation.
Treat magic like that.
I don't want to see a junkyard of badly behaved pretenders.
I want to see a single web page that has clear evidence someone has magic.
Don't feel bad. No one else has ever been able to do that either!
They typically try a trick, like flooding with endless dead ends, finally claiming I don't have permission to see the real thing.
Eventually it becomes obvious, they were actually lying the whole time.
Not mistaken.
Lying.
Or they take off before you can find out, they were a big deceiver.
At least so far that's what happens.
One of these days, I'll be surprised.
Which will be very pleasant.
Maybe that Mothman guy. I'd love to know how that magic works!
The 4 types of magic known to man (if there's another please chime in) are:
Spirit magic (use of spirits)
Double magic (use of your dreaming body)
Assemblage point magic (moving the assemblage point to alter reality)
And intent magic. Use of the spirit to do magic for you.
I haven't found another type.
But it's possible the category of double magic is too broad, and should be split into energy body magic, and double magic. There are after all those fibers in the hand, and which come out of the will.
Seeing people getting exorcised is magic to me . I never even knew of this church or anything about them stubbles across them by going to a gas station to get some snacks with a friend and their church was next door and we heard people yelling but it didn’t sound like people but a mixture with something else so we went in and a lady greeted us named Grace . Told us they deliver people every Thursday and Saturday and for us to come by . We did and brought over a friend with us that didn’t know about it he was Mexican with black hair and brown eyes . It was a cool service then after tithes and praise the pastor who only comes once a month was there and said today will be great a lot of people will be saved and free you will you will you will and pointed to where we were which was in the back towards the wall and said but you will leave today . I thought he was talking about me but he came towards us and held his Bible and went past me to the friend we brought with us . I looked and our friend was pressed up on the wall by himself like he was scared to move and couldn’t move and his eyes turned green and skin was pale like the wall and his skin looked ashy and dry and he spoke like a snake literally like voldermort and was foaming as well crazy shit if you ask me but they are located in Arlington tx off fielder and I believe Collins I’m not sure of the name been long time but they are there is you want to check them out so that’s one evidence and the other evidence I have is a scar I have from the witch doctor in Africa when I was little . She put some herbs in my wrist and made me wear this beads waist shit and made me turn around I forgot how many times I think like 7 and told my step mom something about not to tell anyone else and we left the village . I don’t know what exact location but I have the scar still and it was from malaria which killed alot of kids around that time in Africa and I was really sick NDA got healed so that’s another tangible magic too . Now my dreams I can’t show you .
Except there aren't any demons. You forget that there are seers in here. You can't feed the usual popular confusions and not expect to get called out on it.
You're confused into believing you are surrounded by magic! And don't have the sobriety to realize it's all shit.
A very bad starting place to learn the real thing.
But everyone who seeks magic, is confused like that at first.
Some remain that way forever. Decades and decades. Buddhists for example.
And I don't see any link in your comment, so you're pretty much busted.
You didn't see any magic, you were just doing a "mini-book deal" as you came in here.
You're merely running around with con artists and pretenders, like everyone else.
One day I hope someone posts an actual reason they believe in magic, a very solid web page I didn't know about and says, "Fuck you Buddy!!!"
I welcome it. That would make it less awful that this internet place is the only one.
But it's not going to happen.
And I saw the pictures but I’m lost I have no clue how to read them or if I’m even reading it right and what they are supposed to mean
https://youtu.be/HMGkmjkqb0U
Nonsense. It's not what I asked for at all, but you can't see that?
I saw a TV show where David Copperfield made an elephant disappear in Times Square.
Or someone did.
A famouse book on m edieval magic shows how to hide an elephant behind a cart carrying straw, to make it magically appear.
That's stage magic, just like your video.
And more evidence you are BUSTED big time.
You're still welcome in here, but the obvious truth is, you came into the subreddit lying from the start.
I couldn't let that stand, because your confusion is contagious. You could infect a beginner in here, with your mixed up thinking.
Might as well make this educational for anyone bothering to read it.
Someone come heres claiming whatever about magic.
It's almost like going into a club, and to get attention for yourself you pretend to be dying from cancer.
Because if anyone asks about the magic, which ought to be a fun topic, out comes self-pity requests, because you can't in fact tell them anything about your "magic".
They didn't want you to ask. They just wanted a little "power" in the group, even if it was contrived.
If they're a super bad player and you call them out, at that point they are already spewing pea soup (from "The Exorcist").
So the problem is solved, the mods will take them out.
But if they're a cry baby, they try to shed a few fake tears in a comment, to see if that will let them get away with lying when they arrived.
You have to ignore that. Don't get manipulated by self-pity.
I guess that's the "ruthless" thing. It doesn't mean "mean". As in "Ruthless barbarian".
It just means, don't be manipulated by people using self-pity as a tool.
If you stand up to them, just ask them for a link on the internet. It's a reasonable question.
Consider it: If they claim they went to a "magic man", there's a "paper trail".
Because of the internet!
How did they know about this guy? Or was that magic too?
If they can't show you a paper trail (how they heard about the magic man), they're lying.
But they NEVER admit it.
Here's the most common tricks:
Point you to 10 subreddits. Like the "Magick" subreddit. As if that is any proof of magic at all. In fact, it's proof of what you told them, it's all shit out there.
But they don't know that, so they believe that's going to make it so hard for you to confront them further, that you'll give up.
Keep in mind, they're sitting at their computer in their underwear, trying to think of how to "save face".
But you don't have to give them a smackdown over that 10 subreddit answer.
Tell them you're too busy to read everything in 10 subreddits, and could they point to a specific post in one that would allow you to check it out.
Oops...
They always seem to have enough sense to realize that won't go well.
Meaning, THEY ALSO KNOW there's no magic in those.
Next most likely step is that they'll point you to a discussion group which costs money, and you have to sign up, hoping that will stop you from continuing.
But there's any number of ways to reply to that one.
The fastest is just to point them back to the first question.
Show me a web page on why you believe that private chat has magic. There must be a page advertising it, or else how would people get in there, willing to pay money?
Now the fun begins.
They will scour the internet trying to find ANY MAGIC AT ALL, in a video.
They've blown off the original question, which is to show why you believe someone has actual magic.
And the truth comes out. They reall did believe there was magic all around, and suddenly you're attacking that idea.
They forget the original question, and now they're just looking for any way out. And for any way to defend their unfounded believe in magic.
They sense they NEED magic, which is why they came here. And with such a bad reception, if there really is no magic as you said, except in here, that's a pretty dire situation for them.
So they freak out looking for weird videos on youtube.
We've seen exploding light bulbs, Indonesians who can make newspaper burst into flames, and I suppose now, Africans levitating.
All of which would be trivial for my stage magic cousin in Brandon to do also.
Im curious what do you think about this
Carlos himself endorsed the possibility that you can visually see this "real world" without using your physical eyes.
But what has it to do with Hinduism?
Nothing at all. Nor with the 3rd eye.
I've actually seen the real "3rd eye", the one La Gorda liked. It floats in front of you, and gives you free access to second attention sights. It's an "offer" from infinity that you can accept, or refuse.
It's probably mentioned in Eagle's Gift. I suspect you'll get the offer too if you keep working hard.
And I don't believe there's a single guru who learned to see that monstrosity.
And yet, it seems to be a real "thing".
Instead, Hindus made up the "third eye" based on seeing the room with their eyes closed during meditation. And likely someone painted that ability as a third eye. Just an artist's visualization. Like "Chakras".
An art poster to sell in the market, as are most Hindu gods or beliefs.
The Jews complained about that in the old testament. That the precursors to the Hindus, in Iran, constantly created new things to sell to people. Based on nothing at all. Gods made from sticks.
The Jewish Prophets liked to put down the competition of the time, so you commonly find them making fun of other "sorcerers". Like the Pharaoh's wizards, the witch of Endor, or Balaam. At least we get to know such people existed.
"The third eye" is just a marketing ploy, to excite students who reach the green line on the J curve and see the room for an instant.
To confuse them into thinking they're on the right path.
But seeing without your eyes is nothing new. The Celts passed that on to the Irish, and they just call it, "The second sight".
The little girl is merely a witch. Assuming she's not being exploited. Technically speaking, she's learned to use the double's eyes, on the real world.
Cholita and I used to watch each other from 50 feet away, behind 2 walls. Saw it in the latest star wars so I tried it, and it worked! But it does require using the double's abilities.
Until Cholita decided she didn't like me doing that and blocked it. Westerly witches can block stuff like that.
Carlos tried to find a replacement for himself towards the end, with one man in south america who studied such things. I can't recall his name, it was something like Panchito. He studied Maria Sabina for a while.
But that man disappeared before Carlos could get him to agree to take over. Howard was also on the list.
All because Tony (a real double male) wanted to be a lama, and learn fake magic because he could sit next to the Dali Lama. And get a lot more attention than he felt Castaneda fans could give him.
That Panchito guy visited us a time or two.
He studied a child who could read newspapers with his foot. Carlos explained it to us in detail.
And there's a very interesting video of a teenager who is blind, but uses sound to move around as if he can fully see. Like a bat. Someone posted that a while back.
Stuff like that gives the impression, "There's magic everywhere", which gives the feeling you have plenty of time to mess around, and don't really need to be serious in your practices if they get too hard because you can switch to something else if you feel like it. Something easier might give you just as much attention from other people, which in the end, is what beginners are actually after. Attention from other people.
But always ask yourself: Where's the people this girl or other person has taught this to? Assuming it's not a trick.
Jesus raised the dead, and then rose himself. His disciples supposedly ran around doing miracles too.
There's all sort of claims of Tibetan or Nepalese monks levitating. Even some dubious videos showing it.
I suppose it's interesting to look at, but you don't want to turn into a "look what I found" type of bad player.
They never learn.
I’m very confused as to why the only way to show “proof” of magic is to show a web page. Why would proof of magic ONLY be on the internet??? Make it make sense
It's up to you if you want real magic or not.
If you are ok with pretending, then suit yourself!
No one in here cares, because unlike elsewhere no one in here is stealing money from people.
And most who claim to see magic, are actually seeking assurance from humans. Not actually magic.
But if you stick around and read, you'll eventually learn what's really going on out there.
When money was invented, magic was buried over by greed.
Now it could be, you've been fooled by "green line experiences".
Meditative effects.
Here's a map of those. They're only the upper right, at the "green station".
Look what's beyond those! No Yogi or Buddhist every makes it past that tunnel at the bottom, and most never even dip to the Red station.
You can tell, because all of their description of higher states, are infected with "humanness".
Most of what's available to us, is NON-human.
Those "Green Station" experiences fake magical systems are using to deceive, are like a barrier to stop people who are trying to learn the real thing.
It's bliss, visions, and beginner's level communication with spirits.
Stuff all humans can do, by many methods.
But crime syndicates such as Buddhism, or smaller thug crime gangs such as Hindu Gurus, take advantage of those relatively easy effects to generate, add a big story about being perfect, or enlightened, or escaping some non-existent "cycle of birth and death", in order to bamboozle practitioners into self-flattery so they stop there and never go on to see the real thing.
If they went further, they'd stop giving money to the guru!
That pretty much covers all the large "magical" systems and religions.
Bamboozled by normal meditative effects which happen because you do 1% of what you really need to do, to see the real thing.
and tricked by no one being willing to talk openly about what magic they can actually do.
In cases of Buddhism where you get a westerner who will discuss it openly, you will indeed find, they're only experiencing our beginner's level magic. Go read what people who talk openly about Buddhist magic say! It's always just rank beginner's levels. Wouldn't even qualify in this subreddit, to get you into the advanced subreddit version.
There are also individual things going on such as witchcraft, where it's a bit harder to call them a fake because women are in fact quite powerful.
Men not so much.
But even in the case of "euromagick", it's still almost entirely negligible "green line effects" that make them believe they are practicing real magic.
The real thing is BEYOND BELIEF.
Literally.
It's not "bliss and enlightenment".
It's the absolute opposite of that trap.
Even if there was proof of magic on the internet…wouldn’t one need to be in the right frequency/channel to access the magic?
No. You've been confused by all the fake magic surrounding you, trying to get you to join up with them with fake stories designed to attract customers.
Read the books of Carlos Castaneda, who lucked out and ran into a very old lineage of real Olmec magic practitioners, which goes back 8000+ years and was developed before money, writing systems, and even big cities.
So it was magic just made by individuals with no hope of creating some kind of movement, so they could amass money.
It's just technology! Not a belief system, not a religion, and highly practical.
It was JUST FOR THEM, and they only practiced things which gave them more magical abilities. And developed it over THOUSANDS of years, so that it reached the levels it has now.
Nothing in modern times is even remotely like that.
And don't fall prey to the forces that tried to erase Carlos by claiming he was a fraud.
None of that actually makes any sense at all, if you look closely at it. But no one who understands how he was deliberately attacked, feels like going over that again and again. You can find why it was nonsense, in the wiki.
Two of his biggest attackers were simply scientologists!
Plus the bottom line is, everything you read in his 17 books and publications (some by witches associated with him), works to produce magic the likes of which no one will believe, even if you sit down with them and go over how it works.
You're most likely a self-soother! Not a person actually wanting to learn magic.
You surely won't last in here. Your head will explode.
Real magic is NOT soothing at all.
It's disturbing.
But we're in such a bad condition due to our upbringing, that we badly need to be disturbed out of our unpleasant life situation.
Otherwise, your life will just decay until you did miserably, of old age.
No one escapes that fate. They just "put on a happy face" to make it seem they succeeded in life.
I have a question in regards to IOB’s. You stated that darkroom practice leads to your home being infested with them, why is that? And is that harmful to either myself or household members? If so how should you go about it?
We're surrounded by inorganic beings all the time!
There's more of them, than any organic creatures.
Even insects!
There's more inorganic beings around us than any other life form. We're swimming in them!
Except maybe the single celled ones? But as far as we know, there's also super tiny inorganic beings.
So all that happens is that someone "notices" them. So they hang out more there. Hoping the person who noticed them, will allow their assemblage point to drift so they can visit with them even more.
And harmful to others?
The others are already totally screwed up as it is!
They are NOT living a nice, comfortable family lifestyle that allows them to grow.
That's an illusion.
Everyone is barely getting by, and lying about it so others don't see the truth of the matter.
Usually it takes until someone's 50s before they realize the whole thing was a lie. Up until they, they might notice it but think "it's only them" that isn't able to make this horrible mess work.
But even realizing our lifestyle is completely messed up, they have no alternative.
So they just join in and brainwash the next generation (their grandhildren). Thinking, maybe they can at least make the lives of the next generation a tiny bit happier.
Of course, there's technology. An opposing force.
What about hearing with the eyes?
Of course.
All of the senses are just "hooks" to receive information from the emanations.
The infinite strings which compose the "dark sea of awareness".
Realities are all in there, in the combination of super strings that are glowing and interacting with their neighbors.
There's no physical matter, no time, and no space.
Those are just illusions created by how the emanations interact with each other in a reliable manner.
And not really even a "you" since there are 600 stable positions of our "assemblage point", the thing which determines where you awareness is flowing, in which you could live instead of this one.
The emanations broadcast "feelings" (extremely tiny ones) to whoever has their own awareness focused into them.
You get to see this with your own eyes over and over again, so don't think of "sacred scrolls" or wise gurus.
Those are always scams.
The eyes can hear and smell also.
But how creepy.
Smelling farts with your eyes???
Maybe reserve that for an emergency.
I sure hope you aren't using drugs to "simulate" sorcery.
That's where it's common for the senses to switch roles.
Using drugs to learn sorcery is impossible. It's never, ever been done despite what people believe.
People get the idea you could do that, partly from fake magical systems like Buddhism or Hinduism, where you supposedly have a one time event and reach "enlightenment".
Then get a little throne to sit on, given by your religions leaders, so that you can lord it over others in their name.
That's just the con game of the criminal enterprises known as Buddhism and Hinduism.
You become a "made man" at some point, thus all the years of petty crimes they insisted you have to vomit on their behalf, seem worth it.
And with your new throne, you can order the new batch of thugs (monks) to follow your own orders.
With a cut for the big guy uptop, such as the Dali Lama.
Sorcery is a 1000 mile path.
A drug experience moves you 0.5 inches.
I suppose if you could duplicate it daily, for 30 years, you might get to beginner's level in this subreddit.
Except, then you'd be as messed up as Terrence McKenna.
And no real magic to show for it.
I started in 1979 reading the books written by Carlos. I have reread them many times as well as his cohorts books. But I first noticed this illusion As illusion as a small child. And have many secrets remembered revealed. Don't have anyone connection at the moment and sometimes lose myself in the physical world. I listen to his audio books in my sleep. Could appreciate a friend
If you're practicing what's in the books, and seeing visible results...then you have cohorts in here!
If not, then read from the subreddit (and the Wiki) and ask when things aren't clicking for you.
Old habits die hard, and not everyone in here is in their 20's.
Yes right Here, right Now I'm 63 but I Am a stalker as well and appear as I Choose in my folly
I'm afraid our path is a solo one for now.
Jadey's visited me twice in her double, but we couldn't align the realities well enough for her to notice she walked right past me.
Or that I was on the other end of a tunnel she was gazing into.
But she did toss me a writing pad and a pen.
Both stolen by that mischievous Ally of Carlos, "Minx".
AKA "the Devil's Weed Entity".
The other, "Fairy" is AKA "Little Smoke".
She'll be your friend.
Find the summoning spell.
It's in here.
But wait until you can move a puff of your visible energy body, with your hand.
It's hopeless until you can move your assemblage point at least that far.
It's shown in the J curve diagram, created from a lecture Carlos gave in a private class, and loaded with pictures of what you can actually do at each level.
Pictures people REALLY DID DO!
Never forget: Everything written in the books of Carlos can be done by YOU, if you only follow the instructions he gave us. Until recently, no one even tried doing that.
I suppose they were waiting for someone else to "prove it" before they were willing to make a serious effort. But they were always willing to pretend to be serious.
That's "Fairy" in the upper right. The "ghastly" looking woman standing on a hand.
She'll lift that skirt for you, if you think of it. Don't even have to ask.
If that's not "friendly", I don't know what could be.
Thank you kindly. You know sometimes I just like to be reminded that there are others out there. I'm hidden in a different kind of reality right now. And right now I'm at work but I shall return later. So many secrets to pass. It's a gorgeous day here in Hudson Valley NY
This is from 2002 but I continue as is
Asto the Power I have
Conserved for use
Of these Wonderous
Wings of Sight
Through flight
In Dreaming
I See a Chance I
Can become-----------Live
Live
--------energy-----on Command
Now
This sensation is
And I feel it
Freedom
This I know
This I remember
What a Magical Challenge
This shall Be
Now that my eyes can
See
What is before me
What is behind me
And still hold on
To my earthbound volition
With a twin
Interpretation
Of each line
So now this Power has
Given me clear view
To the map of mazes
All that can Be
Mine
By design
Neverending
And still
I'm Here
By Choice
My Choice
Oh what a thrill
This flesh is
Very witchy...
Cholita might say something like that.
I'm more of a smash and grab guy.
I spoke with you quite awhile ago. Remember?, Female yes, but I still Love those smashing sounds
I have a hard time keeping track of user names. Which is good for people who get into trouble, because I don't remember it after a month.
Maybe you shall See me in Dreaming. I'll be in purple hair
I do get visits.
But awake, not in sleeping dreaming.
It's too easy to misrepresent things in sleeping dreams, so it's a good idea to learn to do all this fully awake.
Jadey once emerged from my south wall, coming from the direction of Argentina, and walked right past me headed towards where Cholita was likely hiding.
No dream involved. She was a classic "ghost" looking person.
I couldn't get her attention. That's the "fourth gate" issue.
Cholita of course is the queen of showing up in her double.
Yes well the Here and Here is truly the Best part of travel. Knowing that I'm dreaming the Here I'm in Now is exhilarating to say the least. Still, I'll have purple hair. I have many wigs. Many costumes. It's All me. I like it cause I do. That's all. I like it cause I do.
Yeah, don Juan said people that call it "waking dreaming" are "idiots".
Except, no other system even comes close to what we do.
So it's good to keep rubbing it in their faces, with the hopes of reducing their theft from others.
The other systems are all control mechanisms to keep you in the chicken coop, and don't help people at all.
The exit door is the only thing that actually helps.
That's waking dreaming.
You exit in dreams all the time, but it doesn't amount to anything.
So it has to be done awake.
It's this guy again. I call him "Santa". He's quite active. And they even use the word intent.
Yea, that guy is horrible.
I left him some gifts, and his "customers" too.
I never go back to see if they let it remain, except in a few accidental cases.
And was surprised to see they did, as much as 6 months later.
Those usually mean they aren't making enough money to maintain their social media.
We need to starve these pretenders off.
taking the time to share my DARKROOM practice within this post.
It was yesterday in the am (did not practice today).
Colors and fog are coming waaaaay faster than before. At the beginning it was taking about 1hour or more. Now within minutes I am seeing fog and lights.
My balls of energy still non-directional. I like to play with them in my hand and bring them thours my stomach.
Every time I start collecting the purple fog, whithin seconds balls (irregular shapes)of light I shows up in my view.
Zuleicas pass helped me to see colors way faster.
The cool thing is when I am gazing in daytime I am now seeing fog and energy like if I am in DARKROOM practice.
Yesterday all day my mood was out this world... i was soooo fuxking blissed out my mind. Not only that, yesterday I had a full day with constant positive situations around me. It was a really surreal day...
Yesterday someone told me that I might be doing the sorcerer's crossing but I might not know.... any thoughts?
I don't remember that. I was banned from the books.
What exactly is that?
Keep in mind, that the colors come in minutes on some days is highly dependent on whether you skipped practice.
Skip 1 day, you get set back 3 days. Skip 2 days, you get set back 2 weeks.
I suppose, the assemblage point gets looser, but if you skip it goes back to normal, and begins to get tied down again.
Once you understand the process, you realize it's a near miracle that anyone ever escapes.
And it's impossible without "the nagual".
I had Carlos, and that means you have that connection to the nagual too.
But just reading all this in a book, doesn't seem to work.
Hasn't worked on the hundreds of thousands of his readers.
I'm sorry to tell you, you'll get used to the bliss.
You don't get to keep it.
It's like pain killers. 3 days in a row, and you have to double the dosage to get the same results.
But you still end up better off than the people suffering around you.
I'll add what I'm learning from this whole thing.
Women have an advantage, but they also have a disadvantage.
The advantage is, they're talented from having a period. Assemblage point is flexible.
The disadvantage is, they're moody from having a period.
So they get bliss, but then the next morning they're ready to cut someone's head off for no reason.
That makes them more likely to skip days.
Unfortunately, the best arrangement might be, a man and a woman team.
The man can provide the steadiness, cruising along the road at a steady snale's pace. If the woman is having a bad day, she can just close her eyes.
And the woman can force his foot on the gas pedal when she thinks they could go faster for a while.
What exactly is that?
My cousin have been practicing I believe Yogi (yogini) for multiple years, so we discuss different views on enlighten. She just read Taisha Abelar's book, "The Sorceress Crossing". She either got the statement (you might be doing the sorceress crossing without knowing it) from the book or assuming from the book and her philosophy.
I wanted to see if anyone have heard the same, or just my cousin being LOCA..... hehehe
Yoga = sorcery + entertaining delusional explanations.
I suppose that's because if the explanation of the technology didn't come with entertaining stories, it would not be passed down to us.
But I do like people to be careful of mixing delusional explanations.
We have enough of our own, without adding outside ones.
There's a poster today asking for advice. He has a spiritual crisis.
I tried private chat with him, but he was so full of delusional explanations, there wasn't any way to help him.
I'm glad to see some others were better at it than me.
I'd suggest, he has the beginnings of Cholita's issue.
But that's solvable if the person wants to solve it.
Cholita doesn't.
hahahaahaha true!!!
In Taisha’s book ‘The Sorcerers’ Crossing’ she finally succeeds in accomplishing that. She describes her experience with Emilito, but for me, though I read that book at least twice, it was hard to pinpoint just what the sorcerers’ crossing actually would mean to us. Maybe I’ll read it again.
The sorcerers crossing is the abstract flight. Remember when Taisha was being taught to move by Nelida, and she kept panicking and then she went way too fast and flew past the point she was trying to get to. That is the crossing and once it happens, you are no longer bound to the physical realm whatsoever
What is the best way to practice with someone?
same room? tensegrity together? do you talk sometimes or just complete silence?
I can't answer that. Hopefully Juann will.
Up until now, and this will sound harsh, there hasn't been 2 practicioners with the skill level to do that on any advanced level.
There's the "hug each other and thank god for the path with heart" kind of practicing together.
But the "shall we head towards the tunnel of light, or the inorganic beings realm today" level, has been absent.
Now we can have that. But we still don't know how it's going to work.
Probably more like Carlos and Carol.
Carol tells shared dreaming stories, where Carlos was with her.
Carlos told them too. But not as often.
It was said, Carlos and Carol weren't as close as one might expect for two Nagual types in the same party of sorcerers.
But they still found themselves together in dreaming from time to time.
The assemblage point in women is always far more flexible than men’s. You could say it has to do with our hormones fluctuating all during the month, though pre and post menstruation, the experience is pretty much the same. The witches (and Carlos) said it was because of our womb, which was there energetically even if the physical organ was removed. I don’t really know about all that, but I do know that as women, we basically do not focus. It makes us much more open to all sorts of things, things that can be missed by men, but unfortunately, if we don’t develop our masculine (Focus) to some degree, we end up going from one wonderful thing to another, forgetting what we found last week, (or this morning). Not helpful. I feel like generally men learn ‘dreaming’ etc. before women in spite of their comparative lack of raw talent because their focus is really a huge plus for them.
I always thought this was the reason Carlos made sure all the women attended university.
JD has an experiment with people gazing in darkness.
The women are super talented! But they get afraid easier than the men.
I'm thinking the women need a support system of other women who can do what they need to learn.
Not because other women can support them better than men, but because women understand what problems might come up better, and also that they succeeded helps give the new women less fear.
Carlos tried to set that up. Just didn't live long enough to finish it.
Interesting. Carol (and cohorts) did set up a rather small women’s group nigh unto 15 years ago. It was fun. We would meet regularly, do passes, drumming, singing, clothing exchanges, and Carol did come over one time, but basically we had little guidance, so though fun, it never really went anywhere. We had no idea where it should go, if anywhere. I thought it was basically to get some women to be nice to each other and unite a little for a change. Not sure. But of course it ended completely with the defection of Miles and Aerin.
I think you’re right in your idea above. Maybe it’s just me, but I get a little intimidated by the aggressive and successful results of some of the men. And just last night I noticed that in a way, I didn’t really want to see scary visions and stuff like that. I didn’t ever think I was a fear based person as my masculine is fairly strong for a woman and I can be quite bold at times, but there it is, I was kinda scared.
Strangely, I feel them (IOBs, I assume) quite a bit, day or night, but for me at least, that contact feels reassuring and nice. Seeing with my eyes? Another story!
Read my post today. Not the Daoist one, the one after that. Pretty pictures take a while.
Apparently Fancy is aware of this conflict. Visions versus fear.
IOBs don't exactly ask questions, and although don Juan says you can get them to do whatever you like, more likely is that they'll notice your obsessions while you are playing with them, and they'll do something to interact with that obsession.
In the case of Fairy, my obsession was moving people's assemblage points into heightened awareness. I had the silly idea to throw her at people.
And while trying to learn that, she guided me all the way into heightened awareness.
She solved my problem for me! Seems to be working too.
Fancy on the other hand noticed my obsession with that gremlin creature I saw.
She's been teaching me to pull aside the curtain of reality, and look into some realm of feelings.
I have no idea where it is. But it's a completely different path.
Feelings to move the assemblage point.
And it works!
Gives you a strange hangover. You can feel the feelings you discovered even the next day.
I feel like they (whoever) are often interacting with me during the day. I’ll get tingly feelings in my body as well as emotional feelings. I’ll get nudges sometimes in response to certain thoughts. Often they seem to be confirmations. If they don’t agree or care, it seems they don’t nudge or respond at all.
They often give me warm fuzzy feelings when I’m texting my close friend who lives 3000 miles from me. Personally, I feel like she is my parallel being, though it sounds outrageous. She feels IOBs too, and has been known to see and hear them.
Yeah, maybe you’re right, it’s a different path. But it could lead to the same place, right?
3000 miles is 4828.03 km
Of course, especially if you keep "the map" in mind.
Carlos' books.
Intent even seems to make the situations in there repeat in our lives.
My initial reaction to the many people who believe they can interact with IOBs during the day, is to worry.
I want the Castaneda community to be face to face with demons, about to tear them apart!
Fully awake with eyes open.
Only that will restore Carlos' reputation.
Thinking maybe they interact with you, is a lot like thinking your skills as a lucid dreamer deserve attention.
It doesn't help.
However, I must admit, they interact with me all day long.
As a black dot zipping by, when the thought I had pleases them.
Sometimes that zipping becomes a swoop, and my assemblage point adjusts a little.
They're also fond of swirling around me as I go for a walk, looking like smoke.
They do in fact interact with us all day long.
I'd just rather you had a threatening monster scaring the crap out of you.
It's more fun!
I’m not so sure about the threatening monsters, lol. Why, again, would that be better? Oh, because it would move your AP pretty good? Yeah, but those kind of movements (drastic) tend to whip the AP around and then it can snap right back. Sometimes I agree with the Tensegrity folks that gradual movements are more sustainable.
These beings (or perhaps there’s only one) do move my AP. When I interact with them I tend to feel lighter, in a better mood, fwiw. My tendency being to be kinda gloomy and tense.
And the one hanging around me most right now is a HUGE flirt! And for intensity, sorry boys and girls, but there’s no way a physical being can in any way match an IOB.
Also, I noticed today after some fairly brief interactions with the invisible one, that when I went shopping I had a strange calm but alert feeling and found myself enjoying everything I saw, especially colored lights, like street lights and signs for stores. The colors were captivating to me.
Yea, except they can't actually do anything that makes you say, "Wow!!!".
That's what we need to restore the reputation of Carlos.
About the fast movements of the assemblage point.
Those are pretty darned nice! I was deep in heightened awareness last night, and something startled me. I can't recall what it was now. But at the time my thought was, "Oh, it's only that..."
But suddenly I had a tingle on my scalp. Right on the top. It sort of "melted", flowing down, and my body was tingling all over.
At the same time, a full on dream dropped from the ceiling.
I wish I could recall it! It was a perfect full on dream, like in lucid dreaming.
Except, I was awake and inside it!
Fancy was behind it all. She's been teaching me a new form of dreaming.
She called it, "Sliding dreaming", but I still don't fully understand why.
It's full on lucid dreaming, but you're awake!
And you can switch which dream you are viewing very easily.
It IS hard to remember what occurs in the second attention, isn’t it?
It depends on how far the assemblage point has moved, and whether you've been there before.
But yes, especially in full on heightened awareness, it's very difficult to remember.
Which verifies another thing from Carlos' books,which he took criticism over.
When the books started over, claiming he was learning even more but didn't remember, the critics started giggling.
Even those in private class!
But the whole story is true!
Don't giggle on this one people. Remembering is a pain in the arse. It's worse when you know something is going on and suspect it. But have no memories to back it up.
I’d be into that
PRACTICE FROM LAST NIGHT
Last night is the 2nd day of a streak. I went about 5 days without Darkroom practice.
Since the break I thought the visuals were going to take a while, but in the contrary it feels is where I left it... good!!!
All those days I was craving doing practice.
Last night visuals starting to get shapes.
Big word came from left to right and below that said "SAMSUNG" hahahaha i dont know what it means.
I am trying to send information through intent... a lil experiment. Ill wait if someone got the... i dont know how to call it... messege.
It does work, but it seems to be more workable if it's a mix of personal/impersonal info...meaning somewhat removed from personal desire or ego.
But not entirely. If you don't care about it, you'd struggle to "charge it" energetically speaking.
If it's all ego, it's a no go because it's just you with no involvement from INTENT.
I do understand that is my ego doing the work. Thanks for pointing that out.
So i want to share with you the idea.
What i did was that during my darkroom meditation I saw a butterfly, and I intent to send it to others doing the same practices here.
Cool!
Well put, and very important, imho.
😂😂 yes!! It happens something similar to me. Sometimes I see soccer teams logos. I dont even like soccer.
What do you mean Intent!!??
hahahahha cool!!!
I started to see shapes dancing around.
Oh man I forgot to write that, when I woke up in the middle of the night I was sleepy. So the first thing I did was tensegrity...
I have come to realized that Tensegrity does fricking work. I am exited to learn more passes.
Cool!!! How do you notice it? Visually, or feeling it...
dudeee visualy...
a few hours ago I practiced.
Woke up later of what I normally do.
Was sleepy so I enter my DR and right away did a few passes so I can wake up and have my flow going.
I had some visuals that are getting better shapes.
I felt sleepy again. Got up quickly (base on your technique that actually works hehehee) then i started to do Tensegrity again. The fog and the light balls increased like CRAZYYY... my time ran out and my wife turned on the light and opened the door.
I am going to learn more and have a lil routine. I am going to pay attention on feelings.
This is what i am experiencing: As I meditate I can reach levels where I do feel and see progress, the problem I have is that they are hard to sustain. I believed that when my visuals are reducing for x or y reason (including internal dialogue), I am going to be able to sustain them better by going directly to Tensegrity.
Thats so nice!
Dont worry. It is hard. But while doing it, you are learning to move or hold the AP in differents possitions. Thats the main thing. Just keep practicing and, depending on what you see, you will learn how to hold it, or get it brighter. If you can control that, then you are a sorcerer!
Awesome!!! Definitly I have an affinity for Darkroom Practice. That habit is here to stay.
I am planing to go to a Place of Power that I have access to and practice Recapitulation and Tensegrity.
Here's an issue that I just discovered. If you ever decide to replace a ceiling light fixture, or move into a space that has LED lighting. Make sure the fixture takes replaceable LED bulbs and doesn't have an integrated module. The fixtures are made in China, most likely, and the capacitors are often improperly shielded and leak current into the surrounding LEDs...causing them to emit a low-level glow 24/7 whether switched on or off.
This becomes glaringly apparent when you've already sealed off all other light sources in your dark room.
Since there is no way that I can see to block off those LEDs and still use the light fixture, which you need since you've blocked all other light sources in that room, you either have to permanently cover it up (somehow!) and use a lamp instead, or replace the fixture if you're able.
Dan also informed me that a capacitor can hold a low-level charge for weeks! So the problem won't resolve within an hour like the afterglow from fluorescent lights does.
And in any case someone says "this isn't in the books!" Here are the source passages from The Eagle's Gift, detailing Carlos's darkroom training:
Zuleica's Instructions
What you'll find in here is a version modified by one of the lineages allies, to work without a nagual around and when not already in heightened awareness.
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I apologize for my English, I do not know this language, I have to use an online translator.
1. What is the difference between "magic" in a dark room, from "schizophrenia", from hallucinations, vivid imagination? Daniel describes flying fairies, unfamiliar cities and the like, but is it possible to learn something about the objective world in this way? Make some testable predictions? Does it change anything in real life, other than getting new impressions? I understand that these questions may seem to be just a veiled "what will I get for this?", and this may not be so far from the truth, but still it is imho a fundamental question. If all that "magic" gives is various meaningless visions in the dark, isn't "magic" equal to hallucinations, fantasies? Is it worth striving for this at all in this case? Isn't this just escapism, entertainment, a special form of "drug addiction"? What is better than watching a fantastic movie in a dark room?
2 Daniel does not like adherents of "perfection" (I hope the translator will understand what we are talking about), because they are usually just talkers, let's say so, but why did Don Juan constantly insist that perfection is the main thing, that it is most important to be a warrior, a stalker? That you need to remember death all the time, that recapitulation never stops, and so on. Or is it possible to throw it all away, doing only "real magic" in a dark room?
Simple answer, the unexpected, the unknown.
People do have the ability to visualize something they are actively thinking about, some with good clarity. But always eyes closed. Recap trains and improves this.
Eyes open is what people label a hallucination. But that isn't voluntary. People do not hallucinate on demand. We can't visually see exactly what we may want to see, clearly and open-eyed, on demand. We don't work that way.
Mentally ill people don't choose their hallucinations.
And the word hallucination is attached to a worldview that believes there is a penultimate world that is separate from the perceiver. Even quantum physicists know that's flat-out wrong. That, technically, everything we perceive is a hallucination. Perceive being the key term, rather than imagine. What we see in the darkroom is as independent, and even more unpredictable, as what we see in the everyday world.
And did you not notice that seeing was the whole point of the books? That guiding Carlos into seeing was don Juan's entire purpose, minus the other secondary goals?
Nobody is saying one should "throw everything away" and just do darkroom, even though it is an all in one sorcery endeavor. In fact, if you did nothing outside of darkroom at all that could be considered part of this path, darkroom results would suffer tremendously.
Use the dark to it's utmost, and use the day as well. Even use sleeping, à la The Art of Dreaming (4 gates dreaming).
And impeccability is not about being perfect. Frankly, that's a gross misunderstanding...but expected based on definitions alone. Read what's in that link, after translation.
Attempting to come back into practice. I wake at 330 am and try to practice during that twilight time, but still struggle with the chatter in my head. Should I switch over to evening practice? Also, a question on forcing silence, I typically handle thoughts and chatter as pesky flies and brush them away with my hand- I imagine my hand brushing them away. Is this sufficient or should I double down on the technique?
Each person's approach is unique to them, as far as one's internal mental space goes, outside of the methods that are written in the books and described in the first few posts of this section in the Wiki:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/silence
Those are closest to the intent of the old sorcerer-shamans, causing us to borrow more of the force of their intent than would otherwise be likely.
Whatever you do, what's of utmost importance is commitment and duration. Persistence. Even in the face of apparent failure.
What we're actually doing is repeating a command with our actions, until it gets picked up and becomes Intent's command. Until the echo comes back as it were.
On our own, we're doomed.
Has there been any discussion on using noise cancellation headphones (and/or binaural beats) to block out noise? I couldn't find any posts around it.
Give it a go!
I would think at the start if you lived in a noisy environment that noise canceling headphones would be of benefit to concentration.
Later on, noise can actually generate or churn up second attention stuff in the absence of the internal dialogue.
Cool! I'll give it shot and report if I have any success with the darkroom practice.
Creo que llego algo tarde a este reddit. He practicado esto que indicas sin haber leído antes este post y comentario, ni siquiera tenía idea que existía. Os agradezco por ello, no por este post sino por todo lo publicado al respecto, mil gracias.
Al realizar simples ejercicios de parar el dialogo interno mientras leo los libros de C.C con auriculares con cancelación de ruido y escuchando esto que indico a continuación, por poner un ejemplo:
- ó (ondas binaurales o escalares)
una de las experiencias fue que al tomar conciencia de la respiración podía sentir o canalizar las energías con mi brazo izquierdo con cada toma o expulsión de aire de forma controlado, con espacios de 4 segundos entre cada intervalo de respiración/expiración. No he realizado la práctica estando en el cuarto oscuro.
Otras experiencias son sentir oleadas o ráfagas de color verde, no se como expresarlo en otra forma, hacia mi persona en un momento determinado.
Certeza o claridad respecto a un pensamiento que llega solo sin evocarlo acompañado de un latigazo energético que va desde la coronilla de la cabeza hasta la cintura y la pierna.
Os comento como un simple aprendiz más, teniendo muy en cuenta lo comentado "Más adelante, el ruido puede generar o agitar elementos de segunda atención en ausencia del diálogo interno".
Why in the movie The Matrix the lines go vertically? They are actually flowing horizontally!
Interesting
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Solo la interfaz de Reddit se puede traducir actualmente en la aplicación oficial, de forma nativa.
https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/o6ipy5/introducing_reddit_in_new_languages/
La aplicación iOS Apollo tiene una función integrada para traducir comentarios, De lo contrario, tendrá que usar un navegador de escritorio para la traducción, ya que actualmente no hay una opción para todo el sitio en Reddit para traducir el contenido real del usuario.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoostForReddit/comments/ok151y/automatic_translation_of_any_posts_on_reddit/
https://www.reddit.com/r/androidapps/comments/iblvc5/any_way_to_translate_reddit_posts/
Sin embargo, escuché que están trabajando en eso.
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Reddit no tiene la opción de realizar la traducción de forma nativa.
solo está disponible como una opción de menú/interfaz de usuario.
tendrá que buscar sus propias opciones de traducción, como usar el traductor de Google en la URL, lo que significaría usar un navegador web en lugar de la aplicación.
Si tienes tanta ambre ponte a trabajar. Nada es gratis
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why do any of this?
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I've done a fair bit of this in Vipassana retreats, where you go into the pagoda and its blacked out. total silence. 10 hours a day meditating for 10 days, also keeping the state in free time, no talking to anyone, someone feeds you. A fair part of that you can spend in what is essentially a windowless jail cell. Its great.
But as something of a veteran of the practise, I honestly don't know how deep you can go into the "benefit" without going into a retreat setting for a long period of time. But I would also say that of "internal silence" as it takes days to unplug from societal impact enough to sink into it fully.
I don't think you can do much in less than 3 days retreat and only then if you are well versed and well practised in bringing your mind to quiet.
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Interesting...i have Tinnitus terrible and antaphasia..i love darkness and sit as often as possible in complete darkness..never heard of this before..only time for a quick glance atm..but theres alot to see and feel...but forme no colors..
Hi. I have the option of accommodation in complete darkness for 4-8 days, where I will be fully taken care of. We call it dark therapy. The question is, is it appropriate to live in the dark all the time, or to have a small LED light in reserve that shines into the left eye for at least a few minutes a day? Thanks
so this is what smoking meth is like? huh.
Hi - is there a specific link to the trensgrity moves we should do when starting off? Sorry if I spelled it wrong. I’m a little confused on which moves to do and if I should be doing them the entire time I’m in the dark room. Thank you
You can start with the passes (what became later known as the Westwood Series) Castaneda goes over, starting on page 44 of his Silent Knowledge publication:
https://archive.org/details/carloscastanedasilentknowledge1996
We have videos you can reference in the Wiki:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/tensegrity/core_tensegrity/ - the third series vids