Got any tips for consistently passing the gates of dreaming?

New Practitioners u/PlayDirtyInViceCity 2023-01-25 09:31 UTC 1 points

I've passed all the gates a few times, more often than not, I'm only semi aware that I'm dreaming. Like I can control my dreams because I know I'm dreaming,but I'm not fully sober/awake enough actively do what what truly want to do. I give in to like the power of controlling my dream and end up wasting the dream on vanity basically. Got any tips for fully waking up?

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u/Repulsive_Ad7301 3 points 2023-01-25 09:50

No. Lucid dreaming is a dead end. That's why this sub focuses on darkroom gazing while awake.

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u/PlayDirtyInViceCity 1 points 2023-01-25 09:52

Alright, I've been putting that off. I like dreaming tho, why is it considered a dead end?

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u/tabdrops 3 points 2023-01-25 10:26

The intent of "just lucid dreaming" doesn't lead far enough on the J-curve. So it's a dead end.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 8 points 2023-01-25 13:19

For men, 4 Gates Dreaming should only be pursued through the interface of waking dreaming and silence. You may achieve results with it if you dedicated an insane amount of effort and time to it, as a lone sorcery pursuit, but it doesn't integrate well into waking experience on it's own.

Not at the level of other practices.

And you likely wouldn't have enough time left over, practically speaking, to train at much of anything else since you'd have to be asleep for around 12 hours a day to get much of anywhere.

So it should be a supportive practice for men, something tangential to the other practices and not a primary endeavor.

The advanced sorcerer's in the book did not spend half their days snoozing!

Women don't need to heed this advice, since they have a different avenue to dreaming (which is NOT what mainstream knowledge terms lucid dreaming).

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u/Financial-Ad6596 4 points 2023-01-25 09:52

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/egkz4l/how_to_pass_the_four_gates_of_dreaming/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/tabdrops 7 points 2023-01-25 10:22

only semi aware

not fully sober

Then you didn't even pass the first gate.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 10 points 2023-01-25 13:39

I've passed all the gates a few times

No you did not.

  • 1st Gate of Dreaming (stabilization of the dreaming body): Arrived at when one perceives one's hands in a dream. Solved when one is able to shift the focus from the hands to another dream object and return it to the hands, all repeated a few times. Crossed when one is able to induce a state of darkness and a feeling of increased weight while falling asleep. Location in the body – in the area at the base of the V formed by pulling the big and second toes of one foot to the sides.[citation needed]
  • 2nd Gate of Dreaming (utilizing the dreaming body): Arrived at when one's dream objects start changing into something else. Solved when one is able to isolate a Scout and follow it to the realm of Inorganic Beings. Crossed when one is able to fall asleep without losing consciousness. It is also referred to the activity of dreaming together with other practitioners. Location in the body – in the inside area of the calf.[citation needed]
  • 3rd Gate of Dreaming (traveling): This is what is often known as an "Out of body experience". Arrived at when one dreams of looking at oneself. Solved when the dreaming and physical bodies become one. Crossed when one is able to control the dreaming body in the physical realm and move around at ease. Location in the body – at the lowest part of the spinal column.[citation needed]
  • 4th Gate of Dreaming (sharing): This is the last gate explained in the book as such, and crossing it consists of being able to share the intended dream reality of other people. One has to have gathered enough strength into the dreaming body through the previous gates in order to travel to other people's dreams.[citation needed]

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And there are more than 4 gates:

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/kn1hc0/comment/ghhzqka/

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