I find a lot of parallels between sorcery and Gnosticism. Such as the vine being within one’s self. Are there actual ties or just similar viewpoints
I find a lot of parallels between sorcery and Gnosticism. Such as the vine being within one’s self. Are there actual ties or just similar viewpoints
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You want our gnostic guy for that one. He's around somewhere.
However, they were obviously very lame seers who made up stuff.
It's typical when someone has magical techniques which work somewhat, but isn't honest about what actually happens when they use them.
The Jewish Prophets had the same problem going on.
Leftover North African Shamanism (just look at the map and go back in history).
The Jews would "fold in half" and try to force off all perceptions and thoughts.
I have no idea what the Gnostics did, but Hinduism and Buddhism which sprang up from the same area around the same time (via Ishtar), also use an "altered internal dialogue" to get things to happen.
And it's pretty obvious you can get down to the green line on the J curve with such things.
Where spirits become visible, along with visions and remote viewing.
But here's the problem.
And none of those systems, as far as i know, has ever explained why it's so.
Or even admitted it.
Which is typical. Our own community does that.
You work like a dog to get something to happen, but then you find out you didn't actually "master" that. You truly did it!
But can't repeat it.
Except you already ran to your buddy and told him of your new "magical prowess", and so you can't exactly go back and tell him, "Hey. I couldn't do that again. Bummer."
So you just let everyone assume you are now a super magician because of all the attention you begin getting.
Everyone, possibly without exception, does that. In all systems. Once they "succeed" and tell people, they won't be honest enough so as to harm their new found "reputation".
Unless you are in a situation where the "Tensegrity Police" are monitoring for "violations".
To keep you honest. We've added one of those to the future cartoons.
The Jews were certainly not honest about magic. So they saw an inorganic being who called himself "Lucifer", or "Shining One", or whatever, and they "realized" he was in a war with God himself!
Except it was just another run of the mill inorganic being, messing with their head. Trying to make itself seem very important.
So the Jewish Prophets lied their buns off and created 3 whole religions, plus a few pesky cult offshoots.
Now where do you hear the words of an actual honest practitioner in what's written of Qabalah? Admitting how hard it is to repeat things, and explaining how they overcame that obstacle.
I dare say you won't.
Because they weren't honest. Why should they be?
I'm afraid everything the Gnostics write, wreaks of dishonesty. Cholita's a fan of it. So I get exposed to a tiny bit.
It has the "spark of truth" in it.
But no feeling that they were actually real practitioners who had enough mastery to be able to definitively describe reality.
Let me make this easier to understand.
Let's say you ran into some guy who claimed to be an "expert surfer".
But in fact, that's your favorite past time!
If he dared to chat with you about surfing it would only take you minutes to figure out, he's making it up.
I don't know much about surfing, but at the very least if it were in my area, you'd expect to hear some complaints about amateurs flooding the best spots at Huntington Beach, and forcing the skilled surfers into the pier. Or you'd hear about the hooligan surfers who discourage anyone new from surfing.
Or even stories about young women on vacation there. Surfer seeker young women.
Surfers had "Thai Sticks" back in the day. Primo buds, dipped in opium.
Or even an anecdote about getting stoned at the farmer's market there, would lend some credibility of that "surfers" claims.
But you hear no indication the guy is actually a surfer.
Same for other magical systems.
They seem to have no problems of any kind, doing what you know to be extremely difficult things.
Also, everything is "fixed" and real and you don't hear anyone correcting a mistake in understanding.
Because in fact, it was just one guy who even succeeded at all. And him not very trustworthy.
I'm so curious about this. I had been working with planetary magick for almost two years before I was introduced to this community. I feel I owe a large part of my expansion to it to be honest. Since finding Castaneda though, all of my other studies and and practices have paused. Part of me feels like I'm abandoning knowledge that I could know. I'm versed enough in this sub to understand Silent Knowledge as I've experienced small moments of it. So when I'm at that part of Silent Knowledge, will the understanding of what the planets mean just kick in? Or do they not even mean anything at all and I've just been distracting myself with stuff that's getting me nowhere?
My take on it is this, you're not going to learn anything unless you take steps towards it. If you're just doing silent knowledge exercises and doing things that way. You still need to have Purpose you can still have Purpose and turn off inner dialog.
I don't know what you're doing, but let's take Cholita.
She reads tarot cards, and also does astrology.
She can make her Ally Minx walk around on the table looking at the cards, and tell her what it means. Even move a card, visibly, so that the customer can see it.
If she gave them some "herbal tea", she might even be able to let customers see Minx on the table.
She argues with Minx about his "conclusions".
But still, she gets input from "infinity".
Astrology is the same. As you gaze at whatever information you need, the most famous Astrologer in history might just knock on your door, come in, and help you out. Physically. Right there.
Just like Porfirio from the books.
Just like my "caretaker", and "the storyteller".
There's absolutely nothing out there even remotely like our sorcery!
Why is obvious from the activity in the subreddit. You get not only a magic lesson in here, but a lesson in why everything else out there is a preposterous scam.
Greed buried all magic!
We fight ourselves, just to stay afloat. You can see the forces of pretending trying to take over in here daily.
If someone finds something else real out there, we'll all celebrate.
But I highly doubt they will. And they haven't so far. It's been 4 years with this sub active enough that if anyone knew of real magic, they would have pointed it out.
All we've seen so far is that people can't even tell what magic IS real.
They confuse it with attention seeking.
If you get lots of attention, for most people that's "magic".
Thank you so much for answering. I don't want to stop the magical path I'm coming from, I want to enhance it. I also have a group of witches that I gather with on all the Solstices and Equinoxes and I plan on quietly doing my sorcery there with them. I don't plan on talking about it. Just doing... Or not doing.
I have to tell you my latest experience!!! This was a week ago on Saturday, we were gathering for Imbolc and as I was getting onto the freeway to head there, I had the question in my mind whether I should continue with them. At that moment a Crow flew in from my right side and flew in front of my car in the same direction I was going! I was so relieved! If you remember I was the one who asked about the Hawks and Crows on the earlier post. I understand right and left now, you are right about silent knowledge. What was even more exciting was later as we were sitting around at our fire just talking and my eyes got pulled to the right, and way up in the distance I saw a huge bird flying. Then I saw a flash of white on the tail and the head and I knew it was a bald eagle! At that moment, I let go of all possible worries and I just jumped into the love of my group and we got up to our witchy activities together. Our coven is very private, the main girls of the group are highly committed to their own expansion and none of it is run for profit. We don't advertise and we have often said that women will find us when they're ready for it. I'm looking forward to applying what I'm learning with them. I have learned though, that I have to manage my intent very carefully. It really has to be done with care! If not, it backfires drastically. What I've been finding out about sorcery that it's like understanding the scientific explanation of why energy works the way it does. I do appreciate your efforts here in this sub. It has helped me make sense of all this stuff. This is a really fun path.
Witches get to do whatever they like.
Especially when it annoys male sorcerers.
Hahaha! This is my new mantra!
I'm going to print this up huge and give it to all my witches!
Make sure they are at least aware, it's ok to be "inspired" by stuff like Buddhism. But any witch kicks the Buddha's delusional butt, hands down.
And it's totally easy to prove that with a little research.
Go ahead and be inspired, but don't downgrade the ability of witches while it's men that are inspiring you.
That's part of the male brainwashing of women, to reduce the population of witches.
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> However, they were obviously very lame seers who made up stuff.
Why do you insist on doing this on nearly every response? WE GET IT! I don't want to argue with you about this, and this is not meant to be an attack of you, rather of your behavior in this one typical aspect. I acknowledge that my opinions were not asked for nor something objectively true. I merely want to point out a different take from someone in a position such as my own. You guys seem to point the "concerning" behavior in other peoples posts and post history without ever taking the concern upon yourselves, at least not in any way that leads to evolution or change. You are pushing away all of the people you need most to achieve this subs primary goal of creating 10 real sorcerers by telling people that everything but this one path (which happens to be a path that hasn't produced anything of value for quite some time) is a sham, a violent con for fools and freaks, and that ONLY the Book of Castaneda, can be true. You could only know that if you studied each of the other options for a lifetime, for that is what it takes to achieve real magick, no matter the path you choose. The people with an understanding of this work, yes intellectually/academically, but more so, experientially, know that this is not true, which makes THIS path seem like what you claim all others to be, a con, a sham, a waste of time. The reason I am harping on this so hard is that I know that it is not any of those things, not because I am critical of CC or DJ or their teachings. Because this is one of very few entry-points into CC, it is even more important that is represent the impeccability that DJ insisted upon.
Have you trekked through Nepal in search of a mythical local healer who lives in a cave? Have you summitted mountain after mountain in search of him? Have you been an inch from death with malaria by yourself in those mountains? No? Well maybe you've given up out of frustration. But had you continued, maybe you'd never find the master, but instead would find yourself lost for years, eventually finding yourself meditating day after day on the ledge of a cliff, in a small cave. You have become that master in a cave yourself. You find yourself experiencing real magick, after many years of cultivating inner silence. Is inner silence only attainable to those who have access to Simon & Schuster's catalogue? No? Then stop claiming you are some authority on what is and is not real magick, what is or is not possible about entire ways of life that you have relatively zero experience living compared to the people born into those traditions, or those who have dedicated their lives to it's pursuit. Why would something like inner silence require that it be approached from such a specific understanding in order to achieve it? . It is really really antagonist to the teachings from my own limited perspective, which admittedly contains less knowledge of this particular path than others. This critique is not intended to come from a place involving CC, rather from a place of logic and what is obviously effective vs what is not.
If you have some agenda or logical reasoning for this very strange and very unhelpful stance, one that you insist on vocalizing at every opportunity, other than just some desire to combine words into a sentence which somehow you have convinced yourself are objectively true, I really think you would do better to share that agenda rather than continuing this unhelpful manipulation of understanding based in nothing that can support your claims, at least nothing that can't be turned back in on you. If that is in fact what is taking place (if you are trying to achieve something indirectly via this position) You very well could have a valid reason for it, but without understanding that, the people who would actually do the work, those such as myself with very real knowledge of the existence of real magick or at least the reality of the "spiritual" realm, firsthand for themselves via some path other than that of the Nagual (which offers motivation to do the real work), your childish black and white stance on the subject will do nothing but push all of those people away. It is so obvious.
If I were any less versed in other paths (and I do agree with you in some sense, there are certain paths that would seem more or less effective generally speaking than others), I might believe your confident authoritative position, and because you seem to say yourself that this sub hasn't created a single nagual, I might turn that opinion back in on this path. What if that person were the best shot at producing one good Nagual? Would you be to blame Danl9999? Perhaps not entirely, but you'd contribute for sure.
Aren't you aware that what you believe is what reality reinforces in you? For you, your statements about other spiritual traditions is probably true. Maybe you explored those paths yourself for 5 minutes each and found them to be a waste of time? If so, I don't suggest you do, but I suggest you stop saying that.
Why would we live in a reality where one very small group of semi-civilized individuals in one very small and relatively isolated point in time and space, some hundreds of years ago, discover the only truth of this whole charade accidentally? If Power is intelligent, why would it want to restrict itself so dramatically? Why would one small group have the only "way out." Its just a stupid idea that pushes people away rather than enticing them to follow it.
You can believe and preach that this path can't be mixed with others without dismissing 99.999% of the people you need most. I understand your sentiment, it is the approach that I take major issue with. Just stop saying this so much. Its having the opposite effect in my view.
I will continue pointing this out until you ban me or you directly ask that I stop doing it (pretty sure you aren't going to stop, this is to offer those who understand what I am saying an opportunity to clear up the issues your position creates). I am not just being a bad player as I'm sure you'll excuse me as, nor do I want you to feel attacked or that I think you are a bad player. Not that I think you care. I just want to be able to point out what I see as a major conflict in what you claim this sub to be about and how you are going about achieving that. Not all conflicts are an attack of the enemy. Sometimes it is just a necessary thing to promote some change. Perhaps its something worse and you are actually doing the enemies bidding. I wouldn't leave that possibility out all together, especially because you seem so righteous and justified. There is more information out there than what is in your head. Likely millions of accounts of real magick from one tradition alone. Nevermind all of that noise, thats just the rest of the world doing their stupid and useless world thing. Yes, I agree with that in 99.9997 percent of cases. We all kind of know that already though. Thats what makeks magick magick, those .0003% of people who do manage to break the typically accepted confines of reality.
I admit that I don't know shit other than what I have experienced.
But I have experienced real magick....
Danl9999...can you admit this? If you truly understood the original Tao, Kabbalah, anything not corrupted by the powers that be, you would understand that what I am saying is true. If you do not understand those systems of approach, I don't think you can really be much of an authority on the world's various systems of attaining real magick.
Oh and OP - there are tons of correlations because both lineages were looking at the same thing, with enough will to actually follow through on what they saw by practicing consistently. Both paths are telling you very similar things, whereas I would say that CC offers a more practical (beleive it or not, at least to modern man) solution the problem described by the Gnostics.
Dan is not a moderator on this sub.
I am.
But his advice is highly valued.
This sub is not about other "magick(al)" systems, except via occasional referential discussion. And one of Dan's purposes is to inoculate people against being scattered by the modern magical-consumer mindset, that bleeds off our potential power into near-endless dead (or rather uninteresting) ends. As well as against the loss of momentum.
As a result he has vendettas. And "mortal foes" 😆.
The rest of us do not.
His job is to be this:
Which naturally is going to rub people akin to those ruffians in the vid, those advocates for being esoterically-democratic, the wrong way.
We want to break thru. We want things that work on another level. And that is the Intent of The Sorcerers of Ancient Mexico, which Castaneda repeated over and over in his last months as the most important thing to align with....other than inner silence.
Not the same old wishy-washy fare.
Thank you for clarifying something that I knew had to be true. It just doesnt work man. You need people open to real magick willing to do real work, which will almost always involve their being already attached to other systems. We no longer live in a world where the approach you guys take can ever work. Its all too mixed. You can be clear about your need to keep other lineages out of this sub without manipulating people and driving people like me absolutely fucking batshit crazy with the disrespect of my and thousands of other people lived experience, both indirectly, and directly. It is just a recipe to get sheep only in here who have never even considered the possibility of this being real in the sense of your body being real. The people who can be manipulated into this path in the way you guys are trying to do it are almost the perfect opposite of good clay for becoming a Nagual. Its like you are interviewing for a position that requires a college degree with candidate requirements for someone who is interested in watching movies. Being a good watcher of movies doesn't translate into job specific skills. You should look at this as more of a real world, simple thing, which doesn't involve being special or having to be shady in your approach. People will see right through that and be turned off whether they know why or not. The ones who aren't are the perfect not-nagual candidates.
Truth is always going to beat lies. Manipulation has never worked. Dont we get this by now?
But now that you guys finally admit this, I can go away, but I still think what you are doing is harmful to both your own agenda and to the likelihood of the people you never realize are impacted (all of the lurkers) who never take up a real practice as a result of brushing with this shitty tactic.
All the talk of telling people to go away, wouldn't it be easier to just setup an auto-mod with some limited human oversight to prevent what you guys try to prevent from entering the sub all together? I would honestly be so much more satisfied if I came here, asked a question, and was immediately banned than the experience I had coming here which took about 6 months for me to figure out why I was so disdainful of this shithole. And yes, its a shithole, a clusterfuck of normy wannabee larpers with no chance for anything. You guys need to find something totally new. You are wasting your and everyone else's time with the follow the danl bullshit.
Thats all I will say. I am done. The war is over. Germany is yours again.
Enough with the games!
What you are saying it's pure fantasy. There is not a nagual here. This place exists to persevere the Intent of the Sorcerers of Ancient Mexico that Carlos Castaneda and the Witches gave us. You have no idea who you are trying to teach. This is the only place that proven is following direct orders from Carlos. There are students of Carlos here. Students that where learning from him back when you and I where babies or not even born. This place is the only real thing that we have left! With REAL Sorcerers! And you are trying to spoil that with your own fantasy land of acceptance of diversity????? If this place does what you are implying goodbye real sorcery! We would talk about love and light only. We do what Carlos and DJ did. He keep this place's intent clear. So it will grow.
So make us a favour and go somewhere suited to your needs and leave us alone. Or stay here and don't spoil the last inheritance we have!
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That fool already got banned. We'll see how many accounts he still has left. If he can't help it, he'll be back sooner or later to add to our collection of ways to fail at sorcery.
All the writings and personal instructions of Castaneda, Florinda Donner, Taisha Abelar, as well as Carol tiggs disagree with you.
And nobody wants to be a Nagual in here.
That job sucks!
It's also known that no one is a complete and total volunteer on this path. Unless they are "cracked." (Don Juan's words).
I'm certainly not a volunteer, in the strictest sense. I have to be here (and not for the reasons you would likely assume).
In fact, there's even a whole subset of knowledge called the trickery of the spirit...that deals with the fact that the apprentice has to be coerced by the spirit into pursuing the path.
I think you're confusing all of this with a hobby (though it can start out that way).
Edit: this user completely changed the content of their comment after I wrote this response.
Fuckery.
"Fuckery of the Spirit" then 😆
Yes. Yes, he does... based on his life experiences I understand why he has them, but I don't agree with many of them.
I joined this sub many years ago, and remember the time before "bad actors" and all this ridiculous arguing and there are good reasons why I only visit this place once very few months to check on its health..
I wish everyone here the best of luck and want to remind them what DJ had to say about the IOB's - to paraphrase - they are a necessary nuisance but should be kept at arms length
I do that hoping to beat people like you over the head, and either get it to explode so they storm out, or get them to think a little more clearly and become serious.
I prefer they just go away. Maybe come back in 10 years when they get tired of pretending.
You have almost no chance to learn sorcery. So you'll only get angrier and angrier in here and harm other people.
My guess is, you want to steal from others by pretending to teach.
And that's why you get so angry.
But imagine if we had 10 people who behaved as you do!
You're obsessed with human attention. And blind to anything but your own desires.
You also can't seem to tell real magic, from soaking up lots of attention over lame meditation effects.
Like your user ID. It just screams out for attention.
Not to mention, you've never seen real magic or you wouldn't attack like that.
That's the sign of someone who is pretending and doesn't want to give it up.
And I have both tried and looked into all of the things you mention. For decades in some cases.
All a total fraud run by very bad men.
Plus I have hundreds of spies looking for magic everywhere, and none can find any.
But somehow, you're swimming in it???
Here.
Point to a single place on google where there's obviously real magic as there is in here.
Just one!
You can't.
Usually what happens is, someone can't tell the difference between seeing a real community, with real tips, and obvious instructions you can try, or some guru type making up nonsense and giving false promises, on a web page designed to steal money.
So put your money where your mouth is.
Show us why you are so angry. Where's the magic you're speaking of?
I hope you realize, we won't accept green station stuff on the J curve.
Or did you even bother to study that?
I am not angry actually. There is a difference between speaking one's mind freely and without apology, and anger. I feel no anger but I can understand why you might feel that coming in. Its because in the world this is something "someone" would get angry about. I'm nobody fortunately. I am not doing anything other than taking issue with the fact that you claim something about traditions and systems of working with the same energies that you literally know nothing about. I know nothing about most of them, but what I do know, is that this path is not the only one that leads people to real magick. Its perhaps one of the most recently available, perhaps even the most effective (when you know what it actually entails which is a big chunk of the beginner's work in terms of figuring out what the hell to even practice)
You only sort of know one system of producing real magick (I know this simply because of your writing and your claims that no other path works), yet somehow in your mind it is reasonable to dismiss the entire history of humanity, you are even dismissing paths and events you dont even know took place! How foolish is that man?
The fact that you think you have the authority to speak to their legitimacy proves that you do not. This is literally the only thing I am trying to convey over and over and over. When you stop doing this, and change the attitude of attacking posters judging their worthiness (which again, I understand why but take issue with your know-it-all holier than thou attitude), watch how this whole thing changes. When you (and I) take all of that pressure we are placing "out there" on them getting it or whatever, and turn it back in on yourself so you can see how you too are guilty of the same crimes, and fix that) I can gaurantee the progress in this place has to change.
You claim that this is the only one path that produces real magick, but it hasnt done so in the past 25 god damned years. Think maybe its time to try something a little different? I am not claiming that any of the material should change. I am claiming that you are not helping the cause with your approach.
This work more important than your petty thoughts about what is and is not a way to attain real magick, especially considering the fact that you have zero authority on the subject.
I don't think you should simply accept all of the people trying to introduce other paths into this one, but am suggesting that you simply change your tone regarding other paths, and your focus on other peoples likelihood of whether or not they will ever become a sorceror. You dont answer the questions people ask you, you just shit on them to prop up your own broken ego. Your focus (and mine right now) are both in the wrong places. We need to focus more on ourselves.
Are you larping Juann? It feels like you are. Real magick is an intelligent force in and of itself. Some of us are cells in its eternal body. Real magic, operating through all of us, hides itself in double-speak, misinterpretation, and it's intangibility. This intelligence is not something that can be forced out or cultivated via left-brain repitition. It has to agree to show itself. The seeker must have something it respects or at least something it can use. Two people can witness real magick. But both people won't testify to it. Real magick often gives itself the ability to be mistaken for human nature, mundane things, you know, swamp gas, otherwise, if it were something as black and white as heat or gravity, wouldn't we get it by now?
Magick operates through the very instrument we use to measure it, ensuring that we can never really see beyond its surface
You are chasing down something more powerful and intelligent than you nor I can ever hope to be, but you are doing so as though you were somehow the superior being chasing an animal.
My friend, it is you who are the prey until you can learn to align yourself with the force that you hunt. Figure this shit out. Otherwise, I fear that you are destined to become that which you hate most...
You have all of these weird IFFTT rules for human behavior which simply don't account to anything but words. Your understanding of human nature seems very flawed to me, otherwise you wouldn't take such an adversarial stance against everything that comes your way.
It actually takes quite a bit of energy for me to get this zealous, I dont know if I have been before. So this isn't an issue of my nature. This is actually the opposite of my nature. But its important, so I feel that I have to be a little more aggressive than I would be normally.
If you were anything more than a D&D player, I would advise to at least try to look at what I am saying from a perspective of me possibly saying something worth listening to. I am not claiming that I have to be right about this, but until you explain why you take this approach, and why you should continue doing so, I will continue calling it out wasting both of our time and everyone reading until I have a clear answer. I would both like to know if that is the case, and like it to stop if it is not. This is not about me btw. I am not an attention seeker nor am I interested in glory or fame. You think you know a person by their effing reddit handle? Its the name of my Reiki practice man. And before you comment, no, I do not care about what you have to say on the value and historical relevancy of reiki. Fix this. It needs to be fixed for any of what you want to do to work out.
My last thing is this, I believe that the most powerful magicians in the world are people you nor I would ever recognize as such. Real sorcerers often pretend to be the simplests of people. Therefor, you can spy and search all you want, but a true master does not ever have to reveal his or her self to your childish pursuits. This whole thing is so much more than you think you know about it.
Tldr: Your lack of humility is killing the chances other people have, and the primary reason for this subs lack of success in creating a sorceror in my opinion. It is very clear to anyone who wants to look
This image I just found on Facebook belongs here.
Noone here needs your assistance on a better approach and if you don't like that you can go to other places. If you want to learn do so but here this is the food we serve. So better appreciate free nutritious food and learn. If you want tastier food why don't you go and pay a fancy restaurant? And I repeat this place doesn't need guidance for a better approach.
LMAO Love it.
This guy really sucks.
I'm thinking he might be a huge bad guy in the community. Someone said he'd been around since the 90s, putting his 2 cents into things.
So he's been telling people nonsense for 20+ years?
At least, from his final "Tldr:" remark it seems so.
He believes there's magic all over the place in other things, and seems to imply other chat places have "created" sorcerers. And I'm not friendly or tolerant enough to succeed where he claims somewhere else they have?
Implies we should just want more bodies in here, and not care what they're practicing of what kind of bullying they do.
As if learning sorcery were easy. And people can learn it any way they like.
Translation: he doesn't even realize what it is.
If only we could see his social media, to bypass his posturing and see what he's really up to when he's not in here trying to get his way with a tantrum.
Selling stuff is my theory.
By the way, new people.
Don Juan and Carlos both, agree with my point of view that there's no magic out there anywhere.
Just read the books and lecture notes.
So he didn't care what they said.
Don Juan is a little more tactful, saying stuff like, "Perhaps that man is simply indulging in being a master". Or "It's all folly out there."
But essentially don Juan says it's all fake.
Carlos not as tactful. After don Juan left, he searched for 20 years having access to everyone due to his fame. And found no magic anywhere. I used to listen to him lecture on that topic from time to time, when he needed an old story to tell us.
I myself spent 20 years looking, once I realized Carlos was telling the truth.
Both of us WANTED to find magic elsewhere, once we realized it was real.
We both found absolutely nothing.
I couldn't even get anyone interested.
Then we also have this subreddit, and all the people in here who would notice magic if they ran across it.
None ever have.
Some green line effects were found in a couple of notable cases, both Buddhists.
But after years those people are still where they were when someone pointed them out. Just very basic beginners level in here.
And one started franchising his pitiful accomplishments. Decided to cash in.
We have a good dozen or more in there who beat them both hands down.
And they're considered "enlightened" in Buddhist circles.
Besides those guys, no one found any magic at all.
Just meditative effects.
Language of light here - you aren't getting off that easy by simply banning me and then turning to the "following" your ego has created to dismiss me. I have not been here since the 90s. I was born in the 90s.
You take the account of one other man's word over your own lived experience? Ouch, sucks to be you. Good luck finding the real magic you swear has never entered this subreddit yet sits right under your nose from people like myself and Im sure the many others you have bullied and made failed attempts to dominate with faux intellect.
You are a fraud and all of the things you call out in others. The thing that makes me less angry and more sad, is that I have been where you are and ik how painful that is, but I was like 16, and I can tell that you have experienced the peak of your life. But its not too late to change! Humility opens doors, not humility with others, but humility in terms of your relationship to knowledge. I acknowledge the very real possibility that I have only ever tasted hallucinations, but I also know that regardless of their being real or not, they have also led to real world benefit (and btw - no its not drugs, I am simply interested in the account of DMT experiences in the same way I am interested in NDE accounts). I know that because I am seeing it through mind, that magick isn't what I think.
And yes I ADMIT IT. I AM A FRAUD. A LIAR! A THIEF! I am not proud of it, but I also know that there is no escaping the truth of humanity, only the cultivation of a new way of being to eventually take place of the animal nature in man.
We all have everything in us. We are all horrible murderous liars, with saintly potential and expressions of divinity. You and I are different conglomerations of the same fibers of being. Only difference is, I am open to the truth of my limited potential for directly relaying or observing this truth. I take issue with the fact that you take DJs teachings and turn into your own mini Catholic Church. Complete control. "You must follow God the way I see God - everything else is demonic hell you devilworshipper!" With that, again, i recognize there are some paths that are simply more effective than others, but your black and white stance is something I could talk any open minded 5 year old into and out of in less than a few minutes. You on the other hand are a lost cause. This comment isnt for you actually its for those who would fall prey to your death and decay.
If you simply opened your eyes to truth you would see. But you can't because those eyes are something you see as lies and dangerous, yet you somehow believe that if you were to see it yourself, it would be good and real. So lets get this straight Danl, no magick can exist in the world unless it is magick that you can verify and approve? Magick is only magick is Danl999 says it is. Got it, noted. I'll ask you tonight after my meditation if what I experienced was real magick or just more of my own lies. Your so sick dude I dont think you have a chance at even living a normal human life, nevermind the life of an impeccable warrior. You are dragging people down, including myself, who has spent nearly a full day trying to counter your shithead ways.
Wake up to your own experience dude. Thats all you'll ever have. You'll never find real magick on the internet because real magick lives in the real world. If you find it in the real world, you can see it in the internet, but you'll never find real magick looking for it in the relaid stories of others. You have to get off your ass and change your mind. That is actually the first step which you seem insistent on not looking at. Forgetting personal history also includes forgetting all of the bullshit rules for the patterns you observe that have accumulated with that personal history. Otherwise what would the point of doing that be? Why do you think that somehow your interpretations of the material allow you to on one hand, follow the only teachings you see as worth following, while on the other, change them to however you see fit?
Why do you think that being impeccable is somehow a mistake of DJ? Doesn't sound like the advocate for this you claim to be, rather that you are merely advocating for yourself. If you haven't done any real work on yourself, which it is truly obvious that you have not, its time to get off the internet and pickup any book by Carl Jung. Idc what you say, you need some legitimate and intensive shadow work. Everything you claim is true of everyone with the potential to be smarter than you, is actually how you yourself are behaving. Part of you knows this, and its not the part doing the typing. JUST STOP. You dont have to keep turning the gears to find a way to be right. You never are anyways so why try to make yourself feel something that isn't true at all?
Watch it in the comments for those of you who aren't convinced by his bullshit - he will call out like two things in this comment then go off on a totally unrelated and unhelpful tangent to deflect from having to take any real stance, relying on his "specialness" to keep him afloat. Danl you are special, but so are all the rest of us. Its what you do with your uniqueness that counts, not your views or your knowledge or anything other than what you do as a result of your experience. You are a scary creepy dude who knows nothing. So am I, which is why I know that I am right here, I acknowledge my ignorance but you only acknowledge MY ignorance as well, not your own.
Also, stop jumping to conclusions about who I am and what I believe. I find Mckenna's sentiment a valuable tool for breaking the linear mode of thinking inherent in our western minds, which you seem to take into CCs stuff like Western Mind 2.0 . I dont worship Mckenna, I just have the ability to recognize character traits and modes of thinking exhibited in others, which I see as valuable and interesting. Are you not doing the same with St DJ?
Unlike you, which needs to believe that only you have the goodness that others seek, (yet ironically have none of ), I see real magick every single day. Literally, or just about anyways. And the cool thing is that I dont even have to try, because I know that trying creates wedges between you and success by introducing the option for failure. I just do it and it jut happens. No effort. No stupid comic book reference charts, just me and my lived experience.
I am not normally this vicous of a person, but your very nature offends me and spits on everything I know to be true. You are the petty tyrants of petty tyrants, and I know that this will fall upon totally deaf ears.
Have fun with your next episode of "Its all about Danl" in your response to this. Ask yourself if your priorities have ever gotten you anywhere you found worthwhile going to. If not, maybe try heeding the words of another if only for a moment, in search of the real magick you seek. What if its been right in front of your face all this time?
W...Wait..... You back?
You didn't answer me how do you have the magic and so I will insist asking again. And it's rude when you don't answer questions to ladies.
So you , free from ego, come here and want to show to the big egomaniac how to behave and to show him his big shadow that covers all the possible magic that exists. Because you have magic and he doesn't. You have done the inner work and he doesn't. You sacrifice you time and energy to show him a better way! How to be impeccable and how erase personal history.
But why bother? You that clame to know better why bother to give energy to him especially? Because you know the ultimate truth?
So please show me your truth on the depths of it.
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You've already wasted enough of your precious lifetime without finding the original consciousness. You won't waste our time in the same way.
Here we go: Con artist evidence #2. What her recommends as "real magic" when he's not face to face with actual sorcery.
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This guy is a total con artist.
Here's a video he's pitching:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2NEBF0Jld2kDRZHIziauLw
I'll post a pic from his instagram after his next comment, hoping he comes back to hide his evil trail by deleting stuff.
What's up with the web page you're pointing people to? Is that your own con game?
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We might have a copy of this bad man's actual voice, stealing from people. Over here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2NEBF0Jld2kDRZHIziauLw
Notice that Terrance McKenna the delusional drug expert, is a hero of his. He's listed below that youtube video.
So not mental illness in the case of language of light guy. Drugs.
But aren't you just proving his point? Looks like he has something special there to me but idk all I know is that I kinda agree. If you want to play this game Juan, lets play.
Do you have multiple personalities or something?
Nah I decided to not say who I was at first but then changed my mind soon after. I am the language_of_light_wellness, Danl banned me from the sub but I wasn't done talking
So you pretended to be your own cheerleader
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This is just con artist "language of light" guy again.
He's got a third account posting in here too.
I'd say, he's BOTH mentally ill, AND greedy.
Has a business selling "Qi" vitamins or something nonsensical, made from salt and water?
Hopefully he can't remove all traces of himself in this thread by deleting accounts, so that it's a permanent record of what a con artist he is, gets indexed by google with his business name, and can perhaps help to save some women from falling into his crap magic business.
Although, women are witches. They can even make use of ugly pretend magic such as this sociopath is selling.
If there was actually enough real magic in your life, you wouldn't care about this banter. Instead, you reveal a mentality that suffers from a lack of real magic.
Here's more from this mega bad guy.
He got a fake user ID to circumvent a ban, and his head exploded in rage.
This man is a good case study. His behavior could only be from mental illness, or greed.
Turns out he's a big time crap magic con artist. Just follow that social media around.
But probably also mentally ill. Here's his fake account so he can continue his demented battle to stop real magic from making him look bad.
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There are two main comparisons. We have "The Eagle" and the fliers. The Gnostics have their Demiurge and the Archons.
Are these comparisons based on evidence or just by chance? Probably no one knows for sure.
Their take on Jesus sounds more likely than the Christian view.
He saw Qabalah, liked it, and thought what a shame they keep it secret.
So he was going to spread knowledge of it.
I suppose "praying" is for them like intending things.
But if you look at the Book of Abramelin, they use a ritual to make intent come to pass.
And the same for prayer when something big was wanted.
You'd make sacrifices to God or the priests, that you weren't obligated to make.
That's also a ritual.
Maybe Jesus saw the "intent trail" of "Messiah" in the bible, which is fairly extensive if you know the verses.
Which he did. He studied the bible closely along with "experts" at the local temple.
And maybe he figured he'd tap into it? Become that person so that intent would pull him along?
Otherwise I can't believe he was so gullible.
The whole "War between Lucifer and God" doesn't hold water if you pay any attention at all to the available information.
And if he liked Qabalah, he'd also be able to see spirits. Maybe interpret them as angels and demons.
The way Abramelin did.
So he'd have learned how unreliable your perceptions of them are if he was any good at it.
They also had widespread contact with the outside world, so he'd be well aware that the Chinese never saw Lucifer.
They saw some other "arch enemy".
Nor did any other place in the world see Lucifer, with Jesus' roaming grounds having contact with a large portion of the world, through the Roman Soldiers.
There were even Celtic magic women in the area when Christ was alive. A gold coin from that period features one of them.
And yet, "Lucifer" was only a Jewish Prophet discovery?
Like I said, one possibility was he was dumb.
The other, he was misrepresented by the apostles when he died.
They couldn't get more "official" Tensegrity forms without Jesus around (it's a joking reference to something else) without being caught red handed making up stuff.
So they just "adjusted" his "message" a little, to bring in more revenue.
I'm confused again now, do you consider Qabalah and the book of Abremalin real magic or not? Is performing a ritual to make intent come to pass real magic? Is witchcraft real magic? Or do you have to be going to the red in the J curve and walking through walls to be doing real magic?
Unfortunately, reddit won't let me reply today. I'll try again.
But so what?
If they can repeat it, they'll develop far better skills than that, and eventually realize that God isn't actually what they believed.
Can't act on anyone's behalf.
He's a "phantom entity" created by everyone pouring the energy of awareness into him.
Qabalah is real magic, but such a huge religious nightmare of a disappointment, it's really not good to support the idea that there's anything worth learning there.
They only accomplish what beginners in here do, and it takes them a full lifetime just to do that.
Plus it turns them into arrogant, ignorant greedy people.
Who pretend to be humble, because that's part of their delusional religious system.
The question you're asking is a little beyond your understanding of reality.
So impossible to answer to your satisfaction.
The only way you'll begin to understand is if you do "darkroom" and learn to manifest very real objects you can play with for a while.
The first time I shapeshifted knowingly, and went outside to use my super powers, fully awake, was after I manifested a dirt road down the middle of my darkroom.
The technique is in here.
I created an ultra real dirt road stretching from north east to south west, floating around 2 feet off the ground, and then my Ally "Fancy" showed up, liking it so much that she insisted I should dig in the dirt of that road.
Explaining that where I dug would determine the form I shapeshifted into.
It worked!
I turned into a massively strong "beast", which is the generic form of a right shifted shapeshifting selection.
You have to see stuff like that to understand how reality actually works, and why even Buddhists can "intend" some meager forms of magic, despite not having any real knowledge of reality at all.
Thank you for your answer. This all lines up with what I have experienced and figured out trying all of it, that it all works with intent and only consistently when fueled by belief, but that's all I've learnt and everything else is clearly a bunch of confused nonsense.
You're where today's post came from.
I didn't actually write it myself, I just took dictations from infinity.
Sort of...
I'll be happy when we get others who can sustain Silent Knowledge, and write posts using it.
Then I can ask them what that's like in their case.
Carlos used to say he did that, and even claimed he wrote "Art of Dreaming" in a few weeks, while in heightened awareness.
I totally understand what that means now.
And it's a mistake to believe you have no "doubts" while doing it.
But you look at infinity while engaged in it, see amazing magical things which can back up what you are writing the instant you worry it might be wrong, and you go back to writing what you were already writing with full confidence now.
Hopefully the ultimate is to just have the final text materialize one page at a time, and remain long enough to copy it.
Without even reading it for understanding.
He's a "phantom entity" created by everyone pouring the energy of awareness into him.
So. I know that I have to start with recapitulating everyone I actually know. Is recapitulating God part of "losing the human form"?
I don't believe so, but then I find it highly unlikely we'll experience the same "losing the human form" that Carlos did.
I mean, nightly I lose self-pity. It just fades away, when my assemblage point passes the mid orange zone.
And my energy body swarms me.
You can't make up having blue puffs flowing around your torso, with jet blackness ready to coalesce on your arm, so you can guide those puffs to stir emanations and manifest endless magical objects in the air!
That's how much "power" you get when you lose self-pity.
And "the human form" has to be totally related to that.
Which means, since we crawl on our bellies in the dust of the road, whereas Carlos just hopped in don Juan's jeep with La Gorda at his side to zip down the long road of magic with no effort, we're very familiar with every little rock along our path.
I just don't see us having dramatic transformations such as "losing the human form".
But I could be wrong.
Howdy.. If you're interested in the relationships with western philosophy[1], here are some terms that you should research...
Noumenon
Phenomenology
Nous
[1] and don't feel like reading all of Carl Jung's work :]
Any luck my friend?