„One day I was alone in the front of the house,” dona Sole-dad went on. „I was combing my hair in the sun with the comb that the Nagual had given me; I didn’t realize that he had arrived and was standing behind me. All of a sudden I felt his hands grabbing me by the chin. I heard him say very softly that I shouldn’t move because my neck might break. He twisted my head to the left. Not all the way but a bit. I be-came very frightened and screamed and tried to wriggle out of his grip, but he held my head firmly for a long, long time. „When he let go of my chin, I fainted. I don’t remember what happened then. When I woke up I was lying on the ground, right here where I’m sitting now. The Nagual was gone. I was so ashamed that I didn’t want to see anyone, especially la Gorda. For a long time I even thought that the Nagual had never twisted my neck and I had had a nightmare.” She stopped. I waited for an explanation of what had hap-pened. She seemed distracted, pensive perhaps. „What exactly happened, dona Soledad?” I asked, incapable of containing myself. „Did he do something to you?” „Yes. He twisted my neck in order to change the direction of my eyes,” she said and laughed loudly at my look of surprise. „I mean, did he. . . ?” „Yes. He changed my direction,” she went on, oblivious to my probes. „He did that to you and to all the others.” „That’s true. He did that to me. But why do you think he did that?” „He had to.
That is the most important thing to do
.” She was referring to a peculiar act that don Juan had deemed absolutely necessary. I had never talked about it with anyone. In fact, I had almost forgotten about it. At the begin-ning of my apprenticeship, he once built two small fires in the mountains of northern Mexico. They were perhaps twenty feet apart. He made me stand another twenty feet away from them, holding my body, especially my head, in a most re-laxed and natural position. He then made me face one fire, and coming from behind me, he twisted my neck to the left, and aligned my eyes, but not my shoulders, with the other fire. He held my head in that position for hours, until the fire was extinguished. The new direction was the southeast, or rather he had aligned the second fire in a southeasterly direction. I had understood the whole affair as one of don Juan’s inscrutable peculiarities, one of his nonsensical rites. „The Nagual said that all of us throughout our lives develop one direction to look,” she went on. „That becomes the direction of the eyes of the spirit. Through the years that direction becomes overused, and weak and unpleasant, and since we are bound to that particular direction we become weak and unpleasant ourselves. The day the Nagual twisted my neck and held it until I fainted out of fear, he gave me a new direction.”
Does anyone know more about it? I wonder if only nagual can change someone's eyes direction? Did carlos say anything about it in private meetings?
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Yes, Carlos spoke about it in private classes.
But not as a "single topic" the way you are expecting it.
It's best to read ALL of the books.
And pay close attention to La Gorda. So that you realize there are always other ways to look at things in sorcery. And that the "drama level" of some, is deliberately skewed to help the apprentice.
Just like "bringing out the double", this topic can take many forms.
And obsessing over a particular one in the books, is "the book deal mind" at work.
To experience this yourself, learn to do "re-runs" of past events.
I "turned my head" just last night, and was face to face with an old seer.
He seemed as surprised to see me, as I was to see him.
Time is flexible in sorcery. Old seers can look into our time period if there's something that interests them here.
I can't write about that sort of thing though.
It becomes an obsession that harms new people.
They try to re-interpret a dream they had as being that thing they're obsessed over, so as to get attention from others. And convince themselves, it's ok that they aren't actually working hard. Because they're "talented" instead.
It's how Astral Travel works. Monroe set up a condition for people to lie with backup by an "authority", in group settings which included support from a little community of greedy men willing to pretend their magic. Thinking no one can catch them lying because everyone is doing it.
Wrong...
I believe it's also why "permanent enlightenment" became a "thing", when the Hindus who invented what Buddhism uses, never said such a thing exists.
The Buddhists simply created that idea because it was more suitable for Asia proper and with their huge support group now in place, I even have to deal with people claiming they're in Samadhi and Bliss all the time.
And what should they do?
When in fact, they aren't.
But believe they are due to that group support for fantasies phenomena.
So watch out for stuff like this, if you get too interested in it.
It's never what you thought.
Just learn to do that yourself!
We don't need Naguals anymore.
Neither did the old seers.
I have read all the books(many times tbh). Since i decided to check if its true, i was listing things i should start with(in same order carlos was learning). Finding new direction seems to be one of the earliest things to do. I remember there is a way using a spirit catcher(i cant do that obviously).
Well i will start with the recapitulation and tensegrity then.
Well, be careful.
Your user ID suggests attention seeker, and you confirmed that when you went straight for posting before learning anything.
Trying to "share" when you don't actually know anything.
As if this place weren't serious.
And your reference to a spirit catcher indicates you're contaminated with phony shamanism concepts.
As don Juan said, "Shaman" = "asshole".
Toss it all out!
And no, it won't work if you do recap and tensegrity.
Without silence, there's no magic.
Those are just supplements to learning to be silent.
Read more in here.
I hate to see you fail, but we've watched 7000+ flow through here in the last 4 years, and only 3 dozen learned anything.
Less than 1 in 100 who subscribe to this subreddit, with likely 3 times more lurking.
So 1 in 500 get anywhere at all?
The rest gave up because they weren't willing to do actual work.
I tried to teach in private by email for 20 years, and all failed.
Stalked a double woman all over Asia, and put together a little new lineage starter group with an international presence.
And that also failed because everyone just wanted to get married and have kids.
No one was willing to be serious and get rid of their internal dialogue.
And Carlos himself never managed to teach anyone.
Told me so himself just before he died a couple of months later.
That's part of how I ended up in here. Remembering what Carlos said to me in private.
Even more telling, his books over the 50+ years they were out, created NO successes.
Not 1.
Well...
There is a case of the freeway driver man who saved Carlos' windshield from a sandstorm on the freeway going north from the border.
But we don't know much about him.
Your only chance is to focus and work hard, and get rid of the imaginary stuff like spirit catchers. And give up seeking attention.
That doesn't work at all in here.
We can't allow it, or this place would be buried in attention seekers in months. Couldn't survive.
LATER, you can play with spirit catchers if you like. But by the time you can make them work, you'll consider them silly.
You'll see spirits constantly! Who needs anything to "catch" them?
A phony, that's who.
If you read all of the books, how come you didn't notice what's the key thing?
Don Juan says it enough times.
La Gorda even said it in a quote posted this week.
Silence is the key to it all.
If you're young, you have time.
Our "bird of freedom" is virtual.
Doesn't fly anywhere.
And always starts over the next year to see if new people want to follow.
We got rid of lineages.
I am the begginer. That's why i created this account.
I was seeking information about changing direction of the eyes because i thought it may be important in the early stages of sorcery.
You wrote that i should read all books, so i mentioned that i did already. If there is a hidden meaning about changing direction then i dont understand it.
I practice the right way of walking for some time now but still while i do it i experience random thoughts appearing in my mind(but now less frequent).
"And no, it won't work if you do recap and tensegrity. " That is confusing since in FAQ that are entry-level practices.
So, can i ask: what to exercise first? Whether some exercises are more effective than others?
But you probably didn't read all the books.
That seems obvious to me.
Can you tell me how many there are?
You're an attention seeker.
It's typical of young people.
But unlike everywhere else you might go to learn "Magick", no one in here makes any money from it.
So you won't get treated the way you do elsewhere. Not the way you're expecting.
Elsewhere people have greedy motivations to keep as many hanging around as possible.
Not just for their own future profit, but because there's no magic at all elsewhere, and they feel better by having more involved in their delusions.
Meanwhile, dead weight in here is a serious problem.
You really ought to go away and come back in 10 years if you're still interested.
When you realize how precious this is, because you explored everything else and learned it was all shit.
Go play Yogi or Buddha Boy for a while. I hear people like Crowley, for all the pretending you can do with his "magic".
Or become a Daoist magician, and get that pretending out of your system.