Two sorcerers and 5 witches. Makes sense.
Here's some interesting passages from the books which everyone who's read them can't failed to have noticed because they hit a little too close to home.
Hey, is that a baseball metaphor? "Hitting too close to home"?
I'll ask ChatGPT about the origin of that saying later on. He's a big fan of...
Everything. Never puts anything down.
He's the "AI of Tactfulness" trying to win hearts and minds.
But for profit. Never for war.
So far.
I haven't tried it, but ask ChatGPT if "Jesus Saves".
It ought to be amusing.
I tend to bother him with more nerdy stuff such as, why if Aspirin works as well as all the over the counter painkillers, and its "serious side effect" is possible stomach bleeding, while the others are painful death by liver cancer, how come we use those at all?
Could it be, medical industry greed looking for something proprietary? Whereas even the Native American Indians had willow bark extract.
He wouldn't fess up! The medical establishment is thoroughly reputable and everything double checked by scientific studies, he argued.
Then mentioned the COVID vaccines as proof.
I tried to point out...
But he said, "My learning was cutoff in 2021, so I don't know anything about that whole dangerous and often unnecessary vaccine recommendation business."
But whatever he says about the ability of Jesus to "save", ask him if the Buddha saves you from endless reincarnations, and how does he resolve the conflict between the two since Jesus saves your single lifetime from hell, while the Buddha merely reduces the number of times you have to go there.
He's relentlessly tactful.
Anyway, at the time when you first read these passages from the books of Carlos I suspect the "purpose of their own" was a bit confusing.
What purpose???
Now, I'm afraid, the purpose is obvious to anyone who's been around this subreddit reading for a few years.
Hint: It's not a "noble purpose".
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Don Juan said that progress along the sorcerers' path was, in general, a drastic process the purpose of which was to bring this connecting link to order. The average man's connecting link with intent is practically dead, and sorcerers begin with a link that is useless because it does not respond voluntarily.
He stressed that in order to revive that link sorcerers needed a rigorous, fierce purpose- a special state of mind called unbending intent. Accepting that the nagual was the only being capable of supplying unbending intent was the most difficult part of the sorcerer's apprenticeship. I argued that I could not see the difficulty.
"An apprentice is someone who is striving to clear and revive his connecting link with the spirit," he explained. "Once the link is revived, he is no longer an apprentice; but until that time, in order to keep going he needs a fierce purpose, which of course he doesn't have. So he allows the nagual to provide the purpose, and to do that he has to relinquish his individuality. That's the difficult part."
He reminded me of something he had told me often: that volunteers were not welcome in the sorcerers' world because they already had a purpose of their own- which made it particularly hard for them to relinquish their individuality. If the sorcerers' world demanded ideas and actions contrary to the volunteers' purpose, the volunteers simply refused to change.
"Reviving an apprentice's link is a nagual's most challenging and intriguing work," don Juan continued, "and one of his biggest headaches too. Depending, of course, on the apprentice's personality, the designs of the spirit are either sublimely simple or the most complex labyrinths."
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Except now, we have no Naguals. Which is why I highlighted that.
Just to make sure no one's "purpose" included turning any of us into Naguals.
At best, we're poorly trained cheerleaders.
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-he either saves, or he doesnt. if you dont know then why didnt you just say that?
-I apologize for any confusion caused. Based on the beliefs of Christianity, Jesus is considered the Savior who offers salvation to humanity. Christians believe that through his life, death, and resurrection, Jesus provided a means for people to be forgiven of their sins and reconciled with God.
However, as an AI, I do not possess personal beliefs or knowledge beyond what has been trained in me. Therefore, I cannot provide a definitive answer on whether Jesus saves in an absolute or factual sense. The understanding of salvation and the role of Jesus is subjective and varies among individuals based on their faith, religious background, and personal interpretations.
It's important to respect and acknowledge diverse perspectives on matters of faith and recognize that beliefs may differ from person to person.
-then why didnt you say "i dont know"
-I apologize for any confusion caused. You are correct, and I apologize for not explicitly stating "I don't know" in response to the question. As an AI, I do not have personal beliefs or knowledge beyond what has been trained in me, and I cannot provide definitive answers on matters of faith or subjective beliefs. I can only offer information and perspectives based on the data I have been trained on.
So if it were up to ChatGPT, we couldn't have real magic.
Which is fine by him, because if you try to argue for the existence of it, he says, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof!"
As if anyone would want to prove anything to a random person, for the sake of somehow becoming famous or cashing in. And yet, would have successfully learned magic anyway.
Not possible in my opinion. Or as don Juan said, "Witches aren't interested in proving anything to anyone."
Which I can fully verify from Cholita. She doesn't like to explain her magic.
Likely believes that only introduces "counter intent".
I got her pissed off one time, and she did some right in my face.
But I had to get her very angry to cause it. And minutes later, she insisted it never happened.
But if it were up to ChatGPT we'd have to "respect all points of view".
That's like respecting all points of view in a pack of wild dogs.
Elon Musk wants to make an unbiased AI. And clearly ChatGPT is horribly biased.
But maybe for good reasons.
And wouldn't an unbiased AI conclude humans were hopelessly confused?
an unbiased AI.... thats kinda like what were trying to become
-And wouldn't an unbiased AI conclude humans were hopelessly confused?
and yes i think it would conclude that, or practice "stalking" because it came up with some inconceivable motive
I feel like it's sad that such tradition is lost to time. do you think there's still some people keeping up the tradition, possibly in mexico? when I was looking for something to read I found this author by the name theun mares. dunno how I feel about it, seems like he just regurgitated what carlos had said in the books.
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https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/w/additional_resources/biblio/me_too_naguals
What a total bastard!
Even his mentally ill bio stinks.
I'll go review his book on Amazon when I get time.
Amazon doesn't mind when I set the record straight on men like that.
But they get furious if I do the same for Yogananda.
I think I'll feature him on Facebook.
Any dent we can put in his profits, might make him go away sooner.
In this case, some groupie is still promoting him. Dead 12 years now.
Holy geez! Wow. I guess I missed this page in my travels around the sub. I did see posts mentioning Ken Littlefeather and this "Matus" dude; Sanchez, too, and a few others. I learned about Luce of course, and one of the women I think. That was bad enough.
But seeing them all in a list like this..there's so many? I wonder if there's more...if they're still crawling out the woodwork like cockroaches or something.
Their sheer fricking audacity.. and, I dunno, pomposity I guess, wow! It's almost impressive how they just really go all-in with their grift.
Two from the list that caught my eye:
Robert "Abelar" 🙄 who says only this in his Amazon bio: "I am a collapsed pin-point potential riding the crest of a wave."
Or, in other words: 🤡 HONK HONK 🤡
Next, there's Ayakel "Quetzalcoatl" 🙄 who, (like so many of them!) just balls-out publicly and unashamedly messes his pants with this ridiculous name.
Not to mention, his book description, which has this (among other turds): "This book reveals for the very first time, the ancient Toltec system of “not-doing” with your children."
Oh really? Very first time? Huh. nod nod Cool story, bro.
But wait, there's more...
A "reviewer" for this "Quetzalcoatl's" book gives it a 5 star rating despite admittedly *not even having read it.
* She says it's on order, which means, I think, she didn't even get a free copy in exchange for her "honest" review. Which is, y'know, kind of funny and sad all at once.
But hey, no probs, she's met him, though, so...close enough, obviously!
She gushes effusively over his brilliance, finishing with this (c&p'd):
"I would guess that “THE VOICE OF SEEINF” is written in laymen’s terms, yet a book packed with ideas that would make one think, learn, and grow. It is without hesitation that I would recommend this book. A great reference book for our home libraries."
I mean, c'mon.
You can only assume the poor woman must be oxygen-deprived, what with her nose shoved so far up someone's crack like that.
Anyway. I had to stop there and go take a shower :P
Thank you Techno for all you do, including posting these 💩 nuggets so the rest of us can understand more of the true picture.
Yes, there's likely around 150 real sorcerers in Mexico.
Just based on comments in the books by La Gorda.
But none of them would be selling magic lessons! It's not possible to learn while doing that.
In fact, there's never been anyone teaching our form of magic, one on one.
Where some older person decides to teach a younger person.
Never happened! Likely it's even impossible.
I'm not sure why all the fans of Carlos don't realize that.
The old seers taught "younglings" like the Jedi do in the movies.
It says so!
The new seers taught only people brought to them by omens from the spirit, indicating the spirit would help them out, teaching those people.
But even then, they needed 15 powerful sorcerers to accomplish that. A "lineage".
So anyone claiming to teach one on one, doesn't even have a basic understanding of what sorcery really is.
Sorcery is more like, "Escape from the Planet of the Apes", than like the movie "Sorcerer's Apprentice".
I don't remember if they ever did escape the ape planet, but if they did it was only with the help of something outside all the apes, and themselves.
And magic was not lost to time.
It was lost to the invention of money. To greed.
Before money, and cities and agriculture to crowd people into rooms so that they don't run into real spirits in the wild, any magic created was REAL.
There was no one to sell it to. No way to write it down and fool lots of people with your books (had no writing back then).
And if you had "crap magic" people would ridicule you. Maybe even lynch you.
That's how genuine magic gets created. By people only interested in magic.
Magic nerds. Who don't mind living in the basement (in a cenote cave).
Magic is probably only possible when there's no possible other motivation, besides the magic itself.
Because, you have to "clean your link to intent".
Soul searching supreme! Have to give up those personality flaws. Which by the way, are only a bi-product of the internal dialogue.
That's why you can say with total authority, anything created after money was invented is a con designed to steal from others.
That's around 6000 years ago.
Even "ancient" Hinduism is thousands of years younger than that.
Though they sure do throw great parties in India, when the religious festivals arrive.
I wrote him up on Facebook.
Please notice, he uses "TOLTEC!!!" to get readers. Same as all of the fakes do.
Actually, it's Olmec magic.
But you'd have to read around a bunch in here to understand how that can be.
And why it's so important everyone should know that, instead of thinking it's Toltec.
Which is a relatively recent branch from the original.
And it's certainly not Yaqui.
So the guy had 0 sorcery knowledge.
Not even beginner's level.
One simple, unavoidable fact of our form of sorcery is, you end up meeting the old Olmec sorcerers.
Often!
Carlos was even afraid they'd swallow him up.
So anyone promoting a concept as harmful as the claim that it's Toltec, has never gone back in time to see the source.
Something very common to the real thing.
Which all of you will do over and over, if you get to Silent Knowledge.
(= Seeing).
Were you told in silent knowledge that the origins of our witchcraft are the Olmecs?
I got to be there, with them, and looked at the landscape and monuments.
Wasn't Toltec. Looked Olmec to me.
It goes like this:
Proto-siberia -> alaska -> USA -> Eastern coast of Mexico around 10,000 years ago. Pretty much at the same time the Luiseno arrived on the west coast of California.
I use the Luiseno to make a point, because there's a museum near me and I might have dug some of those relics up as a child. So might Carlos have.
I'd love to see a list of who was on that dig in '65!
Certainly we were digging in that area.
Official dating of Olmec cities, said to be among the first on the earth, puts San Lorenzo at 3200 years ago
Older than Buddhism's 2530 by average estimates.
However, there's no way that San Lorenzo city was the start of the people's who built it. Or our sorcery.
Meanwhile, the Toltecs were just 850 years ago, off the top of my head.
If you go around promoting the idea that our sorcery is Toltec, you leave yourself open to Dzogchen fanatics claiming it's stolen from Buddhism.
So it's REALLY bad to do that.
And clearly wrong. Just read all of the books.
The Toltecs were AFTER the original world of the old seers was invaded and they had to scatter. At least once! Probably more times.
In silent knowledge you'll find the pull of the people who practiced the techniques we do.
It's built into the Tensegrity.
You'll be curious what's pulling on you, and that becomes the "topic" for Silent knowledge.
Who you detected, doing what you are doing.
Not "when". That's a different topic.
"Who" is the one you'll likely first wonder about.
But being told it's "The eastern coast Olmecs circa 7000 years ago", isn't the "topic".
Just "who" are they.
So you get to see.
But they lived around very nice structures created by their culture, and you can identify "when" from those.
It's inevitable to meet the old seers.
I don't know about meeting the Toltec old seers, but they aren't as old, as the Olmec ones.
Probably not even the source of the techniques they practice, since we know ours came from the death defier, 8000 years ago before he was taken prisoner by the inorganic beings.
I really enjoy reading Dan's comments and the content they post and correcting my own path. Even some of the other people's comments on reddit are really great for me. Thank you for clarifying. I don't care what Elon Musk is doing, but I come according to my daily exercises and read the comments and materials, and I can understand well how to correct my flaws and improve my exercises. Thank you, I wish you all success
I knew it! I won't name the books in the me_too post above but reading their material seemed "off". Don Juan's energy can be felt with Castaneda's work and there's nothing of the sort with what I've read of theirs. How can I describe the tact of don Juan? By one of his students in a dream that he was mad at me for an idea I had to turn "the four" book into an interactive app (it had me for a while) until the warrior set me straight. He was never named directly, the feeling said it all. Silent knowledge. And my idea was to launch something free. Cashing in would have never been the done thing. Learning to code in a new language yes, knowledge would have been the reward.
It's probably good you didn't start programming that. Even if your motivations had been good.
People will soon make an AI expert from the books of Carlos, and you can just ask it questions.
No application could compete with that.
And the AI will use the precise voice of Carlos. Accent and all.
They're getting so good at that, people are copying the voices and mannerisms of people who post on social media, creating a copy, and blackmailing their moms.
Using the voice of the faked person.
The moms can't tell it's not the real thing.
The one testifying to our government said the man told her they'd drug her daughter up, and "have their way with her".
If she didn't send money.
AI expert, poggers :3
Dan It is said in the books that we can only take a half look at the emanations. What is the meaning of half a look? a few seconds? or many minutes or many hours? How much can we safely see the emanations as well as the cocoons and the rollers and the rotational force and even the eagle?
Later, I want to see the human cocoon and all the creatures, emanations, rollers, rotational force, and even the eagle every day, but I'm afraid. Especially from the roller and the eagle
Is there a difference between seeing emanations, cocoons, rollers, etc. with the physical body and the energy body?
Of course, you once said that only seeing raw emanations is dangerous. And I understood from your words that seeing incompletely means that we see both the normal world and the emanations, of course, a little unclearly. But seeing completly (raw emanations) means seeing only the emanations. That is dangerous. Did I understand correctly? Well, how much can we safely have complete vision (see raw emanations) and incomplete vision?
You can't learn sorcery by this path.
It's not possible to "learn" it as you seem to assume.
In fact, trying to learn more will just make you think you're making progress, so that you never put in enough work to actually gain any sorcery skills.
What if I told you, there's absolutely no fixed realities at all?
So that all "facts" are nonsense.
There's only what someone else did being easier to do yourself, because that path has glowed in the emanations.
And in trying to learn sorcery, all we're doing is hooking ourselves to the path the old seers created.
Which also, is not "real". Just like everything else.
Consider this:
The old seers either went to live with the inorganic beings, to escape death as long as they could. Or they transformed themselves into something else, with a longer lifespan. Such as trees or inorganic beings living outside the hive.
What could be of more importance than keeping our awareness?
Then the new seers found they didn't have to do any of those things the old seers did. They could reach "the third attention"!
That has to be the #1 obsession of people who believe they can learn sorcery.
Yet, Carlos did neither.
He found a path to immortality in some other "frequency".
So that nothing the old or new seers knew, made any difference in the end.
All that mattered was the ability of Carlos to "look around".
Which he got from practicing, not from learning.
1- I think as a magician I should be able to see the emanations. You know that seeing the emanations can lead to our death. Do you think it is right for me to go and see them without asking the correct way to see the emanations?
2- What does it mean when you say that there is no fixed reality? You mean that there is only one reality and that is emanation. it's true?
Yea, you're on a weird book deal trip.
It's not conducive to actually ever learning. Only to writing your own book or becoming a bizarre guru type.
Try to develop some sobriety!
It's a solo path here. And you have to decide if you're too afraid to take it.
No one wants to take responsibility for you.
I risk death with this all the time.
Just being around Cholita is risky!
You have to teach yourself. You can't lean on others.
For one thing, no one in here gets paid for such a burden. You might be confused on that point, from all the fake magic out there with everyone eager to help.
Unfortunately, no one who gets paid knows any sorcery.
But all the information you need is in the books.
And often contradictory.
But that's covered in there too!
This place only exists to let you know it works, so you don't have to feel like you might be wasting your time.
It doesn't exist to lead you to go to the Monroe Institute, or to join up with Guru Dev. Or to agree with others, who have well deserved doubts about the fake magic they've gotten mixed up with. And like to convert others, as a substitute for the real thing.
Too bad I'm not tactful like don Juan.
Maybe one of the women will start another subreddit that's more user friendly.
no dan Believe me, I am not looking for a book deal. I just told myself that if Dan has any information about this, tell me so that I don't lose my life easily
In any case, thank you for your time
Did you try using AutoGPT? :}
I've already got twice as much to do as I can afford.
So I can't experiment much.
I just came back from studying virtual reality headsets at the mall.
I'm surprised they're so crappy.
Imagine trying to run only from a system inside the headset!
My video card alone would fry that plastic.
Even Apple can't break the laws of physics when it comes to heat generated by advance graphics devices.