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Reddit decided to eliminate editing of posts over a certain size!

Can't even change the picture.

Must be trying to save computing power, in anticipation of their "rise to glory".

And ignoring the needs of users?

I wonder when we'll get censored for "religious hatred"?

Or it could just be a new bug.

I sure would hate to be working on this monster as a programmer.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2023-06-16 14:16

This could be inserted as a comment into the gesture post. You can have a maximum of one image per comment.

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u/danl999 8 points 2023-06-16 14:43

I'll do that too.

But new people have very little attention span, and more pretty pictures at the top is better.

Even if they don't stick around, we've had quite a few come here because a friend said, "You're doing Chi Gung? I think there's a subreddit with pictures of what that does."

Not realizing, this ain't your Mama's Chi Gung!

Don't they even lock women up in China for that, and turn them into unpaid postal workers?

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u/isthisasobot 1 points 2023-06-16 17:27

I don't know whether it's appropriate to mention this, it has nothing to do with the post.. but normally there are like 20 or 30 people or so online here as far as I can see from the reddit thing which says how many people are online.. but now there's 2090! Just curious if others are experiencing this anomally. Perhaps it's like, the space ship powering up? That would be a 😎 function

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u/danl999 2 points 2023-06-16 18:42

I saw that. But it's down to 545 now.

Still odd.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2023-06-16 18:54

1,570 now. Could be a bug.

2 minutes later it's 1,707 users in the count.

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u/SenkoToast 1 points 2023-06-16 19:55

rn it shows 1.9k for me

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u/MysteriousSupport721 2 points 2023-06-16 19:02

Yep, I noticed it too. An hour or so ago, it showed over 3000 on my phone. Could be a glitch...unless someone's stirring up interest somewhere maybe, and the sub is attracting way more visits than usual.

That'd be great actually, the more the merrier! Right now it's showing 534, which is still a lot more than usual. Might be a glitch, but it'd be cool if it's not.

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u/SenkoToast 1 points 2023-06-16 19:54

mhm!

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u/isthisasobot 1 points 2023-06-17 07:30

I reckon it's some kind of Cristian cult community who's hooked onto zuleica' s pass. Wouldn't surprise me one bit, there are conglomerates out there, call them bugs, businesses. It's an ownership thing if I' m not mistaken, I wouldn't be too enthusiastic.

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u/SenkoToast 1 points 2023-06-16 17:41

damn, idk how tf you always manage to come out with a post telling me what i need to hear 😡

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u/danl999 2 points 2023-06-16 18:57

"Talented Girl" from the cartoons is only 22.

Or was.

She did darkroom in a big cardboard box, and pinhead came to visit her, after threatening to chain her up.

Except, he was only 4 inches tall...

I'll cartoon it.

I bought Pinhead already, just didn't port him to stand on her shoulder.

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u/SenkoToast 1 points 2023-06-16 19:51

darkroom in a big cardboard box seems pretty cool ngl, ig 4 inches in size makes sense. i await the cartoon, maybe i can put some cool music over it like i did with
your zuleica's pass one? 🀭

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u/danl999 3 points 2023-06-16 21:18

Eat your heart out Pixar. Anyone can do this now.

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u/SenkoToast 1 points 2023-06-16 23:11

poggers, and ty for the permission! i assume the animation software is blender? i bet the library of downloadable passes i'd be able plug in will be crazyyy- but while i'm here i have a question, should i keep up with gazing until i blank out? i think the answer is obvious but i just want confirmationπŸ’€πŸ˜­

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u/danl999 7 points 2023-06-17 12:31

Not blender, it's character creator.

What kind of gazing?

If it's darkroom, you should be doing tensegrity. So you won't blank out in the middle of the movement (until advanced stages).

If you're gazing at leaves, you want to see "weirdness" caused by your silence.

But if you're sitting up gazing into darkness without moving, that path doesn't lead anywhere good that I know of.

It doesn't require any hard work, so you'll just give up and fade away.

You REALLY need those magical rewards, in order to be motivated to keep going.

Carlos got them from don Juan, but we have to come up with our own.

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u/SenkoToast 1 points 2023-06-17 18:02

ah, ty for the help and explanation πŸ’–πŸ™

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u/FlowerStalker 2 points 2023-06-16 22:25

How do you get airflow in a box like that though? I'm worried about being able to breathe.

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u/SenkoToast 2 points 2023-06-16 23:05

that is indeed the question πŸ€” i mean if you could put some really dark fine mesh for ventilation, and if the room is dim then i think it might be dark enough inside?

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u/MysteriousSupport721 1 points 2023-06-16 18:56

Interesting.

When I was small, these two beings sometimes showed me how to do stuff in dreaming. One thing I always remembered was being urged to climb a sheer cliff, or pinnacle, or something of great height, using something that came out of my stomach. They showed me how to "grip" with it, and I could feel it gripping as if it were an appendage. Maybe "grip" isn't exactly right, but something like that. I could do it, but it felt weird, like it had an electrical charge, sort of, that I could feel in my stomach. I could grip with it, then somehow I'd just go straight up.

So Zuleica's pass is rotate hips, sway, swing the arms and flick the wrists...? And sooner or later, this tentacle thingie will come out of your stomach, and you can feel the floor with it?

Yes, very interesting. Thank you. I'll think I'll try that tonight.

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u/danl999 3 points 2023-06-16 21:15

Not quite right, but you'd have to do it to see it.

The tentacle is always there, the pass just makes you aware of it.

Those things from our childhood were likely a single scout, playing both.

They do that.

Scout = inorganic being.

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u/MysteriousSupport721 1 points 2023-06-17 01:49

Not quite right, but you'd have to do it to see it.

The tentacle is always there, the pass just makes you aware of it.

Alright, thanks!

Those things from our childhood were likely a single scout, playing both.

They do that.

They do? Okay. Also interesting! I wonder why they do that.

Actually, lemme share a little experience from earlier:

Maybe an hour or so after I made that post up there, I laid down to rest my eyes and try to nap. I was almost asleep when I felt that familiar fuzzy whoosh. Not super strong, but enough to jolt me all the way awake. No big deal, this happens a lot, so I kept my eyes closed and stayed relaxed, expecting to fall asleep.

My ears started ringing as they do fairly often, and the swirling puffs started.

(BTW the puffs are there all the time now, they become quite obvious and visible only a few minutes after I close my eyes and relax these days, and they're always there during my forms although of course they're more faint and transparent if I have my eyes open.)

After a bit, the lights showed up; golden streaks, a bunch of the usual sparklies etc, and a single, bright blue dot which I don't recall seeing before. Very vivid and energetic, this dot kind of blossomed into view and then shot away.

The lights and the puffs are common sights, but I don't always see any IOBs. (Unless it's an IOB who keeps touching me on my left shoulder, but I haven't seen whatever is doing this yet.)

This time though, a woman's face loomed up, half in shadow. Apart from the fact that it had a mask-like quality and was blue like the dot, her face looked normal-ish. She got real up-close and personal lol, examined me closely with the one eye I could see, then she seemed to float past me right through my head.

Another face quickly followed, but this one had a crazy hair-do and looked jaundiced, with wonky eyes, a weird mouth and a swollen forehead. Female also, she hung there for a few seconds, grimacing and rolling her eyes before disappearing. The thought occurred to me afterwards, I should've maybe tried to tell her she was scary (she wasn't) but I forgot to greet either one of them.

Then the butterfly-looking thing showed up again. That hung around for a few seconds too, just long enough to show me what seemed like a brownish, furry head and body, complete with some faint yellow markings, perhaps meant to be its eyes, not sure. It also seemed to have two antennae, or at least, two streaks of gold where antennae would be.

I've seen this butterfly-looking thing before, but usually it only looks like a pattern of light, kind of abstract, more of a golden outline of wings and body than anything solid.

This time it seemed quite a bit more solid and detailed. So interesting! I wonder if I'd have seen it more clearly if I had more energy. Well, anyhow, after that I blanked out or fell asleep.

So, those two faces, do you think they were likely the same being then?

I know no one can say for sure, but do you think this could be the same one I saw in dreaming as a child? They (or she) always appeared as two males but if the beings can appear as anything, maybe she had some reason for doing that.

Alright, sorry for another lengthy post. Thanks very much for reading and for any thoughts or speculations anyone might want to offer.

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u/danl999 5 points 2023-06-17 12:54

I wonder why they do that.

That's easy.

Why are you interested in them?

They do what they do, for the same reason we like to learn to interact with them.

But even more so! They live billions of years. It's very easy to get bored over long periods of time like that.

They could even watch everything on Netflix.

Twice!

>So, those two faces, do you think they were likely the same being then?

We don't yet have the ability to know that.

But there's 3 possibilities I can think of.

Yes.

No.

And

the inorganic beings are not individuals.

If one of those were right, would it matter?

Besides, mine were taken away. And now I realize I was like a cat lady, living with a cat sitting on every available flat spot in the house.

It was driving Cholita nuts.

They tend to block your view of more interesting things than cats.

This morning I was gazing just slightly to the right and down, and looking right at some old seer's face.

I was trying to decide if he was "non-human" or just kind of weird.

But one things for sure: The idea of "enlightenment" is ludicrous.

Carlos tried to point this out to the Eurobuddhists, but they didn't get it.

Humanness is just a crappy patch of junk floating in the river of shit.

You can't climb up on the top of the pile, feel better than everyone else because you aren't up to your ears in crap anymore, and declare yourself "ascended".

There's infinitely more than humanness.

Trying to understand that old seer, I realized I could look anywhere in time and space.

We just don't have the control to select where or when.

And don't get to do that sort of thing as often as we'd like.

So book deal people reading this, forget it.

Just because you can do something once, every 6 months, doesn't turn you into superman.

You'll never earn your little "master" throne with sorcery.

The good news is, there's 1000 completely different cool things you'll get to do, and each of those can also be done once every 6 months.

So daily, you can expect 5. Just not the same 5.

I'm hoping that having a "need" makes it easier to look back in time at the old seers, or even visit private classes and hear Carlos lecture again.

We'll need some good "historians" to make our cartoons more accurate.

People who can go back and view history.

Maybe I'll make that part of Grian's job description in the cartoons.

Keeper of records and audio/video equipment, but also a historian who can go back in time to clarify a point.

When needed.

I still suspect, "need" is very important to sorcerers.

So that the leaders in a lineage get just as much out of apprentices, as the apprentices get learning from them.

Don Juan did mention that. Something about a period of unequaled power and impeccability, when a sorcerer finally gets around to teaching his replacement.

He gets intent fully on his side.

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u/MysteriousSupport721 2 points 2023-06-18 01:18

We don't yet have the ability to know that.

But there's 3 possibilities I can think of.

Yes.

No.

And

the inorganic beings are not individuals.

If one of those were right, would it matter?

LOL...nope.

This morning I was gazing just slightly to the right and down, and looking right at some old seer's face.

Strange. A few days ago I was outside, soaking up some sun and trying out the sunlight glitter thing with my phone. After a bit, I ended up gazing into some trees and I could swear I saw an old Indian, looking at me from the end of a whitish, misty tunnel. Just for a second, I got pulled but it jolted me and I yoinked myself back.

Maybe I just fantasized it, I really don't know. So many weird things going on, I can barely keep track of them.

Alright, thanks Dan.

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u/danl999 5 points 2023-06-18 02:03

Could be the "scary clown" effect. Which is actually more significant than we give it credit for.

These days I can almost write up an experience I know will be hard to repeat, and make it easier to duplicate because I wrote it in the subreddit. Making it more "real" in terms of how easy it is to move the assemblage point where needed.

This subreddit now has a real phantom version out there.

Just a half hour ago I was going through the posts in the phantom version from 2 days ago, looking for tips.

For real. Not an analogy.

I had them in my hands, and was reading them closely.

I even compared what they said, to what I was doing and witnessing, to check how many details were a match.

But that's so insane that I had no reason to remember it, until I needed to write it down as an example of "scary clown" side effects.

For this reply.

So for me to mention old Indians, and you to see one up in a tree, is not surprising.

It's just off in the realm of being too easy to pretend, so we never explore that "evil clown effect" in any detail.

Let's just say that the "Pandora's Box" magical pass, is an "evil clown compressor".

Works on the same principle.

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u/MysteriousSupport721 1 points 2023-06-18 16:55

I think I see what you're saying. The old Indian appeared at the end of that tunnel a few days ago, before you mentioned it in the above post. But even if it was never, ever mentioned on the forum, I've already read all the books multiple times and know about Don Juan. You could say it's been kind of "cooking" in my awareness for decades. So of course, it's easy to fantasize about seeing an old Indian.

I mean, you wouldn't even have to meet or see the real Don Juan, ever, since old Indians are everywhere in media, movies, photos, everywhere. Here in my country you can see them in person, just regular people, as well as all over the world.

Multiply that by all the people who've read the books, thought about and obsessed over it, I hear that lots even went to look for him back in the day. Even though few people have ever actually seen him, he's gotta be one of the most famous old Indians of our times so...yeah.

Because, if it's our awareness which shapes or lights up the emanations into some perceptible level of reality, then even fantasizing/thinking about something often enough and/or with enough energy must be able to cause us to see it. Make it more real...so the fantasy becomes, in a way, reality? Not material reality necessarily but, at least, real enough to see it in a gazing session when you get some sunlight glitter.

So, another example of this must be what's going on with the butterfly-looking thing I keep seeing. I mentioned wondering if having more energy would make it more clear, but that's assuming it was already a butterfly, when who knows what it really is.

So it must be that my awareness, by me viewing it as a butterfly-looking thing, made it become more butterfly-like. Naturally, I've seen all kinds of butterflies, even close-ups in photos and videos, enough to know some minute details about how they look. So now it's taking more shape as a butterfly, the more I call it that and/or tell myself that's what it looks like.

And the same with the IOBs, and...everything?

Everything?

Well, it must. Mustn't it? This must apply to everything...of course it does. Because there IS nothing except the emanations. If there's literally nothing else...then, yeah.

The implications here are kind of staggering. I gotta give it more thought.

Right now I feel like this his has been explained over and over in the sub; like I've read it many times.

But I must've glossed it as it applies to "seeing" because it's only just starting to sink in now. This glossing, so bloody annoying.

Anyhow. I already found a couple of your posts about Pandora's Box. Seems doubtful I'm advanced enough to get much out of it, but I'm curious now. I wanna try it out at least a few times anyway.

Alright, thanks Dan.

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u/danl999 6 points 2023-06-17 13:39

Here's what I'm working on so I that don't forget the attributes of each character in the cartoons.

Cholita wouldn't forgive me.

I need a better archetype poster though. Maybe some Tarot archetypes exist.

I believe Abuelita will be practicing Catholic witchcraft, and thus she runs that bookstore down the street from Dance Home.

It would be a good way to contrast witchcraft with no ultimate purpose, with witchcraft that has a purpose created over thousands of years by the old seers.

Our "witch" audience might turn up their nose, before they realize there's a practical reason to follow a real system.

In some ways, that's the problem women face. Believing whatever they've done in the realm of magic is already working enough.

So it's all they needed from us, to hear it's real.

But they don't have a need to change what they are doing.

The men of course are book deal obsessed.

Both lead to a lack of putting any real effort into sorcery.

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u/magnetons 1 points 2023-06-17 14:38

Those archetypes hit pretty hard.

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u/danl999 2 points 2023-06-17 15:32

We have them also. Just never formally defined them.

People who come here fall into specific types.

We haven't seen anything new lately.

Of course, new people don't realize that.

So they try to pretend not to be what it's instantly obvious to all who have been here for years, they are.

For example, there's the "Warner" type.

They find dangerous things in the books, then post as if all concerned about what we can do.

Insisting it's important, and we need to come up with a plan.

If I had an archetype chart, I could just refer them to that so they'd realize what they're up to.

They don't seem to change. We had one who kept warning us for years, before he finally faded away.

If I had to guess, I'd say even phony gurus come to learn the "types" who approach them.

Except, they figure out which ones they can exploit the most.

There's even groupie women types who will offer you sex.

Thank goodness I'm celibate.

But I suspect Howard ended up with one of those.

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u/magnetons 1 points 2023-06-17 15:41

Its like those "choose your own adventure" books for personality flaws. I like it.

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u/danl999 3 points 2023-06-17 15:50

One important but hidden aspects of the books is, people are different.

So you get to follow Carlos along as the bumbling obsessive "impeccable warrior" devotee, believing you understand what's going on.

And then you run into La Gorda's antics. Or the Genaros.

Or Zuleica pulling out Zoila's hair.

And the woman's books! A completely different thing.

And different "types".

Let's not even mention lecture notes, where Juan Tuma's scrotum is stuck in Carol Tigg's face.

I have Cholita around, so I get to see how opposite people can be regarding their approach to sorcery.

If I wasn't so afraid of her, I'd take apart her spells to study them.

I was even musing if I could find a little robot digging toy, and open up some spells with that.

But it could be that disturbing them with a machine is all the same as using your hands.

Hopefully we can provide a little bit of that, "Man, this witch is nuts! But she kicks ass over everyone else." feeling you get from reading all of the books.

Follow all of the characters around for at least one episode.

I have Abuelita to do "disorganized witchcraft".

AKA "crap magic".

Yet, it works.

I asked ChatGPT for the principles of witchcraft.

#1 was, you have to state your intent loudly and clearly, upfront.

And THAT'S why it works well enough for me to be afraid of Cholita.

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u/magnetons 1 points 2023-06-17 15:54

What was #2?

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u/danl999 2 points 2023-06-17 16:59

He'll repeat it. Go ask.

He also gives great lectures on how the Buddha never left a very small area in India, listing them so you can see on google maps. Where you'll also find temples verifying what ChatGPT told you.

I was surprised to see how close it all was to Nepal.

Which explains Nepalese monks in airports across Asia. They wear distinct outfits. And have faker leaders who stage the ability to levitate, to confuse new people.

ChatGPT will explain that there's no verified writings saying the Buddha went outside that small area.

And that it makes sense because there was no easy communication or transportation to far away places back then.

Even so, his teachings spread mostly along "The Silk Road" of later centuries.

People just made up stuff about him as his delusions spread abroad, elevating what was an ordinary crap Hindu Guru of the time. To make him into a godlike figure to sell to people elsewhere.

And Chat will even imply how this teachings were altered to be a better con game in China, merging it with their own 3 basic religions.

When it originally wasn't like that.

And then translating and sanitizing it to appeal to the western mind. Done by bad players in the 1800s of the western countries, trying to make themselves a magical franchise.

The 1800s saw an explosion of woo-woo books in Europe. There's entire encyclopedia sets listing all the fake magic publications from that period.

I used to collect the more notorious of those. But never found any real magic in any besides Abramelin.

Who was very confused and lied a bit in what he wrote. He even tried to warn readers in his introduction. But then proceeded to do what he had warned about.

ChatGPT has all of the historical documents, so you can look past the lies on such topics.

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u/magnetons 1 points 2023-06-17 17:06

Fair enough ill stop bein lazy and see for myself. Thanks again

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u/Altruistic-Help-2010 2 points 2023-06-17 18:29

My mother-in-law, Belen, had a formidable mother and seven brothers and sisters. The mother even had a pet crow that would steal jewelry and tuck it away in the tops of the kitchen cabinets.

They said that one of the sisters was also a powerful witch, and killed another sister's husband by putting pinto beans in one of his socks and burying it in his path so he would walk over it. He caught some illness and decayed away like the beans did underground, so they said.

My mother-in-law would wear the Santeria necklaces and go to the botanicas in the L.A. area, which are all fronts for Santeria, and the proprietors would get mad at her for wearing the beads without having paid the thousands of dollars for the "ritual" to make it proper.

I liked going in there with her because she didn't care what those Santeros thought. I wish she was still around because she used to tell me all of these stories about her evil sister and her mother fighting with magic, some of it working and some of it futile according to her, her allegiance changing with her mood. All of it to relieve the pressure of too much family involvement in everyone's lives.

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u/danl999 3 points 2023-06-17 20:18

Women have always been able to do witchcraft.

But society has convinced them that's mentally ill, and not true.

At least, western society. Partly perhaps due to the Jewish edict to murder all witches.

It's not as much like that in Asian countries.

But it makes no difference.

They're afraid of magic, because their phony Asian magical systems which can't do anything they claim, teach that magic is evil and to be feared.

And "wise" people don't do any of that nonsense.

Except if you give them $1000.

Then they'll speak to your dead husband for you, to find out where the insurance policy is.

Thailand has special police and public service materials warning people about scams involving phony magic.

They often target older women who have money, but a bit of paranoid schizophrenia.

Same as gypsies do here.

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u/danl999 2 points 2023-06-17 15:22

Here's Pinhead, the Ally of "Talented Girl".

Except he's about the size of a coke.

Somewhere around '95 I owned the rights to that guy for video games. Never finished the "Super Cartridge". Made one, but by the time we could program it to vastly speed up the graphics in the original Nintendo, the super Nintendo came out.

Just couldn't keep up. That's the story in the electronics industry.

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