Passage Directly Into Sleeping Dreaming?

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If you get tired of pretending with Lamas, Gurus, Masters, and "Naguals", the real thing awaits you.

It's a very long road, but there are intense magical rewards all along the way.

Or, you can keep pretending, wear a monk clown robe, and write a book. Make sure to put "Toltec!!!" on the cover. And invoke a few "Rinpoches" for extra help to sell more copies.

Then what? You'll be a pathetic con artist, like everyone else.

Better to work hard at the real thing. The path Carlos gave us.

Is that Nazi scientist Hans Krebs?

Yes, unfortunately. He was on sale for $5 and I liked the jump suit. My thinking was, no matter how bad your past is you can still travel beyond "you", with sorcery. Doesn't matter how you started, only how serious you become and how well you can follow simple instructions.

And aside from the thing with murdering millions of Jews using his army of meth heads, Hitler was just another religious cult leader like all the rest. You'll see the same zealots with Buddhism and Hinduism, as you had with the Nazis. I've been taking one or two on in the last few days.

I'm not sure you can say the other religious cult leaders aren't nearly as bad. Their damage to people goes on for thousands of years in some cases.

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u/Historical_Ad_6361 3 points 2023-06-29 16:12

And aside from the thing with murdering millions of Jews using his army of meth heads, Hitler was just another religious cult leader like all the rest. You'll see the same zealots with Buddhism and Hinduism, as you had with the Nazis. I've been taking one or two on in the last few days.

be careful with that, nowadays they are offended by everything I don't want the subreddit to disappear

thanks for the post (knowledge)

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u/danl999 5 points 2023-06-29 16:39

Hans was innocent.

I'm not sure why the man I bought him from said he as a Nazi scientist.

Hitler tossed him out for Jewish ancestry.

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u/danl999 3 points 2023-06-29 16:24

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I never heard of Hans until he was on sale for $5. Apparently Nazis are cheap in the animation world.

I'll see if they have a Yogananda...

Nope.

One thing I realized about the Germans in private classes is, "Hitler" is a touchy subject.

I was surprised.

None of them were alive then.

But they always lowered their heads in shame when WW2 came up.

I never got to try that out on the witches. Wasn't one of them supposed to be German?

I just checked on Hans on Wikipedia, and he's innocent. Got dismissed by Germany for being Jewish.

Thank goodness...

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u/StupidDarned 1 points 2023-06-29 16:46

Hey dan i noticed the power of storytelling
is next to everything and had some thoughts that practicing Tensegrity could be a way of writing another story, but i rather not jump to conclusions.

And from a point of sobriety i often got from reading carlos castañedas books it seems without a definitive story line i suppose things wouldn’t be taken for granted. I was seeking ways to write a new storyline and i mean a complete different story.
Please share your thoughts thank you

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u/danl999 4 points 2023-06-29 17:12

It's true!

Please do.

Our "rationality" is just a bad story.

It's possible, that since the double is endlessly lost in "stories", and even knows the actual history of each world he visits, going back years, maybe the only "story free" thing is "the abstract"?

We'll need more abstract warriors to answer that one.

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u/StupidDarned 1 points 2023-06-29 17:55

ok thank you i understand. I had things mixed up with energy and eastern arts, especially after i read that Don juans benefactor came from those areas. I now somehow get to see something completely different, my unsuccess comes from the initial views i held about Tensegrity and dantien and energy. It was a really bad start
but i guess it’s good that i finally made it out of that tight place

Great subreddit, i would’ve never figured it out as i would have. I couldn’t find the post i was looking for but it was around the same time as the one below, maybe the title was different and had something to do with intent containers but spoke of Tensegrity and storytelling

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/107i8ig/witches_are_storytellers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

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u/danl999 11 points 2023-06-29 18:01

Fake magic that's practiced by millions, starts to create a "veil" that covers the minds of every human.

Just as God was created by everyone praying to him.

And you can actually go visit, and chat with him!

He's fully interactive.

Like a Silent Knowledge entity such as "Porfirio" from the books.

I've been in a battle with those "evil veil" forces for a while now.

But when the veil lifts it was so obvious you can't believe you didn't see it before.

You still get lynched though...

People just won't give up their soothing delusions.

Because then they have to go back to suffering.

It almost never occurs to them to actually do something real.

At best, if you try to open their eyes, they turn into a "comrade" type bad player, and start talking reason and "equivalents".

To turn their delusional beliefs, into the same thing you're explaining to them.

Search my feed, there's one like that right now.

And it's even worse!

I have to go look for a cat now...

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u/StupidDarned 1 points 2023-06-29 18:24

"But when the veil lifts it was so obvious you can’t believe you didn’t see it before."💙💙🥰

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u/Phantasia444 -2 points 2023-06-30 23:16

Do you molest and suckle and fuck cats????

You're a cat fucker, aren’t you?

It’s a miracle Carlos actually personally taught you in real life.

Clearly he didn’t know the extent to your depravity.

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u/AthinaJ8 3 points 2023-06-30 23:49

How the fuck did you made this sick assumption?
There's nowhere any indication for that. Better start speaking nicer.

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u/danl999 2 points 2023-07-01 13:00

Could just be a Kachora Zombie.

His point count is -1 on reddit.

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u/AthinaJ8 1 points 2023-07-01 13:15

Just a disturbed individual that his mind is ruling him.

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u/danl999 3 points 2023-07-01 18:16

He was over in the TM subreddit doing the same thing.

So I still suspect it's spooge engine. A Kachora follower who dominated the shamanism subreddit, to try to keep steering people towards his fake "don Juan" leader.

But they do team up.

A year or two ago during Native American week, they organized a blitz. Likely at least 4 individuals involved.

It was quite educational, because they proved my point exactly.

They couldn't come up with any Native American shamanism that wasn't totally lame. Posted 3 or 4 in a row, all of them stuff you certainly wouldn't want to be stuck with.

Some racist even.

It's just as don Juan said.

They do the rituals, but have no understanding at all.

Imagine "Vision Questing"!

Why?

If it's that hard to have visions, you're already learning from the wrong person.

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u/AthinaJ8 2 points 2023-07-01 19:55

Looking the whole picture is an earned skill. To be able to do this someone has to learn to distinguish where is his own mind/thoughts/interpretions/projections and how he disturbs things creating his own version of things. Then as this is mastered someone can go beyond the self and see things as they really are.

This person clearly saw something you told about a cat, dismissed all the other content and then made this disgusting assumption.

People should read again and again what's written untill they go past what they think is written and truly take every sentence. But who does that? Anyway.

If it's that hard to have visions, you're already learning from the wrong person.

You know that " having visions" is a hard earned lifetime goal for them so they can be a " guru" lol.
They just don't get it.

2 hours ago I relaxed with closed eyes and I had plenty of visions. Then I decided to get up take my mask and do darkroom with opened eyes and I played with puffs until I felt a push from the tailbone to the front upwards . This expanded to the front and it was like something below the navel was pulling outwards almost painfuly. I could feel it with my hands as a hot thick line. I decided to do Zuleica's pass because I couldn't see it still. By that time everywhere there I looked was a puple thick fog with yellow lines and thick black puffs with yellow sparkles inside them that I was playing.

Eventually with Zuleica's pass and focusing on the feeling of the " line" I saw it as a dark purple line and I laughed. I thought that now I have for a short time what you have and I dont 🤭. I moved like I had it, and it moved with me like it was real. I tried to touch the floor with it but I couldn't . At least I saw puffs with details and Ruby in a magenta puff and I was totally satisfied. Also I felt some form of energy from my toes to my knees but it didn't go higher. It was interesting and new. Felt like my legs were expanding.

It's not a big deal but with closed eyes it's easier to see things unlike with open eyes. And these guys just see a dose off dream and they become shamans/gurus.

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u/danl999 4 points 2023-07-01 20:09

Look for the breath change.

It gets subtle as you get used to it, but later it's as good as a puff, for moving the assemblage point.

Except you can do it any time during the day, once you can "find it".

The worries of the "self" just vanish.

I was trying to think of an analogy.

Because we don't want anyone inventing ideas of "enlightenment".

That's a chinese fabrication.

Instead, if you imagine someone who can't possibly let go of their obsession with how badly things are going for them.

And feeling sorry for themselves about it.

When really, their life is wonderful compared to humans elsewhere.

So imagine someone suffering, and then suddenly they're transported to Hell for 100 years.

Then bring them back, and see if they feel so horrible about their life now.

Everything they thought was a disaster, is nearly meaningless.

And they can't believe how wonderful it is to be alive, with so much "data" streaming into their senses. It's like heaven, after being in hell for 100 years.

That's what it's like when you can find that "breath change" and just focus on it.

If your breathing changes over to it, all self-pity vanishes.

You're still you! Nothing has changed.

Except you drop all the grief. It's pointless. In fact, it's less effective than not caring, and just doing what you need to do, when you need to do it.

I suppose that's what the witches meant by "the place of no pity".

An assemblage point position where "self" doesn't make enough sense to worry about.

It's NOT a permanent state.

But you can switch over to it at anytime, baring physical pain or illness which makes it impossible to find that breath.

Pain possibly slides your assemblage point too far horizontally for it to easily move away from that level on the J curve.

My guess: "Self" ends just past the bottom as the assemblage point goes under, heading for the front.

But it could be it's a bit further.

Too bad we lost concentration when Carlos was giving the J curve lecture.

He saw that people were no longer paying attention, and finished it quickly.

Should have just brought out another young woman to use for the other side...

Then we might have gotten as good of a lecture for the front, as we got watching his finger glide down her back towards her bottom.

Does anyone know the names of the "replacement chacmools" in black, wearing sunglasses?

Those were the two who moved their assemblage points all the way to the other side, in one evening.

Then forgot.

If we can find their names, I'll put them in the cartoons as a temporary thing for an episode or two.

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u/AthinaJ8 2 points 2023-07-02 22:23

Very good points!

I will keep them in practice and for starters start observing the breath change and later intent it in my daily life.

Too bad that Carlos didn't have the right audience for this kind of information.

Now we have to find our own the way. Just as Don Juan told that that they closed the door and Carlos had the golden key.

After 25 years the key is being used to open that door again, eventually.

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u/danl999 4 points 2023-07-03 13:58

"The Abstract" is also as good as the breath change.

But you have to learn to see it. We dismiss it so quickly, it barely registers in our consciousness.

It seems to be "irrational" skimmings of emanations forming a perfectly acceptable reality, but one that's so different from our normal one, we can't recall or describe it.

And as such, it's impossible to have an internal dialogue, while viewing it.

So if you can catch a glimpse of it, and then "relax" and stop rejecting the irrational, you can "float" in it, until you come out in your double.

I did that over and over for a full 2 hours last night.

Except the bad part is, since you can't even think about it, doing it for 2 hours is completely lost the next day.

you have to "see it again" before you realize. "Shit!!! How could I forget what I spent so much time learning last night?"

I believe there's a "compromise" between being rational, and accepting whatever is there to perceive.

And if we can achieve that balance, switching to the double on demand is possible.

That doesn't mean you don't forget your purpose on switching.

That's yet another skill we have to acquire.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 3 points 2023-06-30 23:54

Ah...the best the internet has to offer

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u/Agitated_Direction17 1 points 2023-07-01 00:40

hey techno, do we have a page on the various types of bad players?

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2023-07-01 01:34

This is about as precise as we got:

https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/w/bad_players

But it's doesn't contain a numbered list of types.

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u/Agitated_Direction17 1 points 2023-07-01 02:58

thank you

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u/danl999 3 points 2023-06-29 17:14

Since Hans was innocent, I got his friends too.

I didn't check their social media, but it seemed like they were more suitable to play "Lost in Space with no shoes" and only old Roman weapons.

Total cost?

$0

They tend to sweat a bit too much. I had to tone 2 of them down, but left the "robot scientist" guy the way he came.

Maybe Germans sweat more?

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u/danl999 6 points 2023-06-29 17:41

A question came up in private chat. Jadey was asked.

Of course, we've been speculating about the "other great bands" and assemblage point positions on the outside of the luminous shell which are "off band".

Trying to figure out how to sync up in shared dreaming. We keep "missing each other" by a few layers of reality.

With Cholita in the middle once or twice.

We'll have to explore these questions as a group, because I don't believe Carlos or the witches left us the answers to that.

Then, another question came up about time. Also not a "real" thing. Just a side effect of the emanations. And according to one of the senior witches, we all live parallel timelines.

In fact, I'll say something totally blasphemous.

If a sorcerer runs into you as a child, but doesn't realize he'll be interacting with you many years later, he can still make use of that chance meeting by sending his double back in time, to influence events in the past.

True?

Beats me. It's one of those crazy things you hear rumors of, in silent knowledge.

The sorcerer can't send his physical body back, because matter and time interact using "rules".

But the theory is that his double can alter events back then for weeks if it has a reason to.

But the altered events, will only be in the double of the person he's messing with.

Na...

That can't be right!

But it seemed true at the time. Obvious even.

It also explained something very odd I witnessed myself.

Here's chat conversation #1:

***Talking about the abstract, somebody asked me about this quote:"Don Juan said that the energetic fact which was the cornerstone of the cognition of the shamans of ancient Mexico was that every nuance of the cosmos is an expression of energy. From their plateau of seeing energy directly, those shamans arrived at the energetic fact that the entire cosmos is composed of twin forces which are opposite and complementary to each other at the same time. They called those two forces animate energy and inanimate energy"

This guys asks: "could you please elaborate on this? how do these types of energy figure together? is the "animate energy" essentially "perceiving" and "inanimate energy" essentially "perceived"?"

Inanimate energy is that which can be found in those other forty bands. What I believe could be the abstract.

I suggested maybe it was just organic life, and solid matter?

But Jadey said:

I do think that quote is kind of confusing.

Couldn't it be the physical and organizational, and the living?

I don't think so

if you read the part where he talks about the 48 bands, he describes it more

"He explained next that the product of the other forty great bands is not awareness at all, but a configuration of inanimate energy. The old seers chose to call whatever is produced by those bands, vessels. While cocoons and containers are fields of energetic awareness, which accounts for their independent luminosity, vessels are rigid receptacles that hold emanations without being fields of energetic awareness. Their luminosity comes only from the energy of the encased emanations.""

"The world that our assemblage point assembles for our normal perception is made up of two bands; one is the organic band, the other is a band that has only structure, but no awareness. The other forty six great bands are not part of the world we normally perceive."

so it means we use 2 bands to perceive the world, so we're are perceiving both types of energy (inanimate and animate), and to our theory, when we watch the abstract, we are looking at that other band, with that other type of energy

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Chat conversation #2 with Athina (you can tell by the smiley faces):

Let's put some more chaos on the time topic 😛 When Carlos was lost for 10 days maybe with the dead Defier- Carol, Florida was with all the witches and they had an amazing time together. When they met Florida hadn't realized that 10 days had passed. She was totally confused and so did he. Neither of them remembered at the beginning what had happened these 10 days. Later Florida remembered her time with the witches. That happened in Florida's book. Also we have Taisha's first book. While she is talking with Clara, suddenly they hear a loud scream and Clara runs towards the house with Manfred and says to Taisha not to move. Later at the end of the book Taisha is making the crossing. Before she does it, makes a loud scream and realizes it is that scream she heard that day. Her own scream! She goes inside on the other side of the house and see's Clara and Manfred coming inside running. So we can't explain with logic how these things happen. But they do because they happen in a different reality. Maybe that was exactly what happened with the grey cat and Cholita's old lady.

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Ah yes... Cholita's weird cat. And the "old lady" who has the power to take away someone's allies.

So far, there's a weird cat that wants me to know Cholita put a spell under my car in the driveway.

But it's not the first cat that was obsessed with Cholita. The one before was an orange tom cat type, and literally had a war going with Cholita.

Who made me steal bricks from the neighbor, to block it. I couldn't buy them. They had to be stolen.

But the cat snuck through, and sprayed her luggage the way male cats can do.

Grinning at me while he did it. Behind Cholita's back. She was facing me.

Then he died in a horrible giant truck accident, just weeks later. It was so terrible, the neighbors were laughing against their will as they described the cat tumbling down the street three times before it landed in the middle, absolutely dead.

Speaking of dead, there's

A dead blue jay whose body parts end on display. Over time. The week before that, it had tried to warn me about Cholita, from up on the street light. Wouldn't stop shouting at me.

The same one that got trapped in our fireplace, and I had to free it a year or two ago.

Then, while looking for the cat who seems to wait for me where my car parks in the driveway, when I decide to go look for it at random, I found a baby skunk yesterday morning instead.

Baby skunks tend not to spray, unless they feel threatened.

When I got home I tried to ask Cholita about the situation with the strange animal behavior.

But I couldn't even start that sentence. Just got 2 words out, and none of them were animal related.

She shouted,

"Quack! Quack, quack, quack!!!"

Then waved her hand to dismiss me.