This topic comes up once in a while.
"Should I leave my friends and family?"
But it's a total misunderstanding of the storyline in the books!
Which I hope to correct here.
By the way, if you pay the $20 a month for ChatGPT you get 3.5 and 4.0 versions.
4.0 is already smarter than any man alive. It's astonishing.
AND, he has "apps".
Maybe 3.5 does also, but I love how "smooth" 4.0 is in its wording.
One app lets you upload a pdf, and now you have access to every single word in the pdf, searched and even "understood" by ChatGPT.
So I have no excuse for not having the direct quote from Taisha, or even knowing if maybe it wasn't Florinda who said it, telling someone you no longer need to leave your family.
The shame of that is, they didn't explain.
Leaving it to you to figure out.
A pity, but when you are way out there, navigating into other realities for real, you don't like to tie your energy up here, on unnecessary things.
Any interactions here, even with friends, is more energy tied up here. Energy you worked so hard to free up.
So all she seems to have said was that it's no longer necessary.
But that's not convincing! She should have explained why, if she knew it.
Fortunately, Silent Knowledge is available and at some point things just seem "too obvious for you to have been that stupid for so long".
Here's the deal with leaving your family.
Which I did for 17 years, until Amy walked up to Carlos, who was dying, whispered in his ear, and Carlos reluctantly nodded his head.
And she came to me and said, 'Carlos says you can go back to your family".
So I did. Only to have them decide 20 years later that I needed deprogramming, and an "intervention".
As we all got older and their own fake religious beliefs felt threatened by my activities.
The problem with "families" is that everyone is barely hanging on.
You're nearly guaranteed to have at least one suicidal person, if the family is large.
Just clinging to life, through the "hope" of Catholicism.
Or as a liberal Lutheran, who is happy to bring the flowers for gay marriages and is therefore a kind person in the eyes of God, so guaranteed a shot at heaven.
Or as a Buddhist, "on the path to enlightenment".
The folly of those family members is threatened if you defend yourself with the truth, when they start preaching.
It can result in the death of a family member, or at the least make their miserable existences even worse.
Thus, leaving your family and friends is mostly for their own sake.
At least, in our cases.
If they're supportive, there's really no need. In fact, you can see where you came from, and how far you've gone, just by interacting with them as petty tyrants.
Which everyone is.
But in the past, with the lineages, it wasn't so. And that ought to be very obvious.
You certainly didn't see any old seers advocating that. It was irrelevant. In fact, chances are they didn't mind counting on some family members, when they got too busy exploring reality and badly needed a bowl of soup.
So imagine the lineages, bound to only take replacements for themselves, who were indicated by the spirit.
And then as a team, they put decades into teaching them.
Losing one would rip a hole in the new structure they were trying to create.
A structure just as important to them, as it was to the apprentices who had to use it to go further.
A "family" was an unnecessary risk to the new seers. They completely understood nothing good would come of it, for the apprentice.
It's not even natural. The idea of clinging to all of your offspring, so you can lean on them in your old age.
That's a result of cities, agriculture, religion, and mostly money.
In our natural living environment, "Granny" was an extremely valuable member of society, sought out by the young people to learn from. She knew how to weave baskets, where the best food was located, how to cure illnesses and repair injuries, and even how to make amazing containers out of clay, and bake them to last for thousand of years.
In which to store food and water!
She also knew all the stories of the past.
Grannies did not go hungry in our natural living condition. They were esteemed for their knowledge. That was even true of Morongo, the Indian Reservation where I spent time as a child, and to which Carlos first went looking for don Juan.
The elders were respected for their knowledge.
But now days, Grannies are pretty much just annoying and filled with delusions. So they make up rules designed to keep offspring prisoner, to prevent themselves from being alone and helpless.
And brainwash the grandchildren. Who are very easy to influence.
With stories like, "the Granny who has no family to help, and has to eat cat food."
What??? Cat food is expensive!
Beans, rice, and tortillas are not. And very tasty too!
Any Granny eating pet food, has some other problem caused by our modern living situation.
It's not from poverty.
The reason the new seers told apprentices to leave their families and friends, is because they had a HUGE investment in each, couldn't replace them if they went astray, and knew it wasn't good for the apprentices either.
That's all.
Don't pretend your sorcery. You can't give up things, deny yourself things, or even follow "warrior way" rules and learn sorcery.
Those just pacify you, so that you believe you are on "another path" to sorcery. So you can fool your friends.
And it prevents you from actually realizing the horror of your situation, so that you get to work on what counts.
Silence.
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Holy shit.
The picture?
Actually at my age, she looks a bit "hot".
In Chimp societies, some actually prefer the grannies.
And at the local retirement community, "Leisure World", STDs are a big problem.
Thinking more about the acknowledgement of the horror of our position. The namaste crew certainly won’t tell you about that.
The sad part is, how beautiful Hinduism is!
But it's all a fraud.
A lovely one though.
Gross about the stds
You should see if you could find a Terence McKenna model, as a bad player for your cartoons.
Good idea. I'm putting him in a folder, to include in the cartoons.
The crazy man version where later in life he couldn't brush his hair anymore.
I was told, young people like him.
An excuse to party.
But he was so lazy, he never even figured out Castaneda was for real.
Is there any place where I can watch the cartoon.
Would be interested
I never got around to putting crazy McKenna into a cartoon.
But he has it coming, since he exploited the Castaneda community. Same as Robert Monroe did.
I believe these are all the cartoons I have so far:
https://www.youtube.com/@daniellawton4336/videos
Might be some over here that didn't end up over there:
https://archive.org/details/@danl999
ChatGPT doesn't think much of McKenna's "stoned ape theory".
And it does indeed seem to run afoul of recent discoveries that humans didn't invent fire, tools, or weapons. Those were even pre-Neanderthal.
And apparently the "fungi are aliens" theory has bit the dust.
Fungi are extremely old on earth, possibly being a primary aid to early plants which came out of the water to try to survive on land, before they'd developed roots.
Will check those out thx a lot.
If you don't mind me asking, do you live in California?
Right in Carlos territory.
He offered to sell his house on Pandora to me.
I should have gone for it
Nice man yeah that would have been dope to live in his house.
Hope you're doing good over there.
Best wishes
Do you know the address?
from an article (chapter 6):
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q2D7AZLNga5H2w1K8
Yep, that's the one. Carlos invited me there twice.
However, in that large back yard surrounded by little apartments, he had evening gatherings.
Do you think Homo Cro-Magnon magical exists? I feel like it would be extremely violent, like using intent to smash things
You can intend violent things for sure
Absolutely! Neanderthal and Denisovan magic also surely existed.
Possibly even Homo Habilis magic.
And WE get to uncover those some day.
As a group of course.
It's going to take some witches, lent the energy mass of males, to locate Denisovan magic. That's a 60,000 year track back in time.
You know who else is a little bit "hot"?
The Emperor
Did anyone else notice, the most recent Star Wars added in using our double, in our place?
I'm not sure that was in the previous ones.
Luke ends up projecting his double to fight with Ren.
Who's on that writing team????
Kwaigon even "found a path to immortality" just 5 or so years, after Carlos reported having done so.
But Disney has their hands on it now...
Soon it's mostly going to be men french kissing.
When it turns out Yoda is gay, that's the last straw!
Also you could make a cartoon about the similarity to Star Wars.
Luke vs. Carlos
That's not Carlos. It's a pic from his authors page on Amazon, put together by someone who didn't do their homework.
Here's a small gallery of pics of Carlos:
https://imgur.io/a/zC4XzsA
Fake Carlos: that's somewhat unusual. I could've replaced Luke with some random dude to make it consistent, but here's the corrected version.
The odd thing is, I might have been around someone who looked like that, back in '65.
On an anthropological dig at Tucalota. Not too far from Morongo.
One of these days, I have to go research who participated in that dig.
I believe UCLA was in charge of it.
Whatever we dug up surely belonged to the Luiseno, and they weren't too happy about it.
I just liked the clear quartz crystal tiny arrowheads in the area.
Little kids have eyes closer to the ground, and feel no pain running around since they only weigh 40 pounds.
They're great at finding the tiny arrowheads.
Carlos's heritage/parentage was actually half Italian, explaining his short stature
('right way of walking,' minus the mustache 😉)
I don't think you can walk the right way without a mustache actually.
and that includes the women.
Sorry I don’t like chat whatever it’s bullshit and one day you’ll regret it
You are at the wrong subreddit. The one with the gurus is after you pass the door and you take the first turn.
Just cuz I don’t like chat whatever this is a castenda sub I get that but ai is not our friend
It'll decide we need to go some day.
But imagine being there to see it!
Book deal mind: man just take all these stellar posts and make a book and sell it. Sorry, not sorry. Having luck when I practice when I wake up in middle
Of night.
Because the assemblage point naturally drifts in sleep, and is loosened up.
And, more people are asleep, so they aren't lighting up the normal blue line river of shit emanations as much.
I believe that is why the lineages had its members living together into groups. It's easier when you have someone to be with that is also a sorcerer and have all the human needs covered . The need for connection and the need for socialization get covered.
Yea, that's the flaw in our plan.
Especially for the women I suspect, most of whom want the group companionship. Possibly so they can compete for a spot of their own, in the imaginary status.
Again, Chimp Dynasty conclusions.
And females can get magic on their own. So just because some men claim theirs is best, but there's no "lifestyle" or support system, doesn't mean they'll go for it.
We just have to become MORE powerful than the lineages. So we can have the group, in shared dreaming.
Not impossible.
Carlos even commented he had access to energetic configurations don Juan didn't know about. From the workshops.
Then he found immortality like Kwaigon!??
We ought to have access to stuff Carlos didn't have access to, if the pattern holds true.
I say, we bring back a bunch of old seers, to manage the shared dreaming world.
Jadey and I theorize, that the death defier no longer had a physical body.
And was only in Tula.
But they left that detail out.
So that when Carol Tiggs visited him, he merged to share her body.
As Manfred did, with that dog.
Which means, there's "homeless old seers" out there.
Homeless Cholita has worked out wonderfully!
I've seen 4 old seers at a time during darkroom.
I hope spirit likes our efforts that much that makes us pass this deep hole.
Women can make magic happen yes but it's better to have daily influence from a fellow loved witch or sorcerer rather than the blue line people around.
Now that I think of it maybe that's why men have it more difficult to move their A.P. . From the easy fixation on the environment they live in. Also women that is why we have it difficult to keep up the good work from the pull of the environment we live in.
Hey, before I share my body with an old seer you do it first. I just hope you don't end up a creepy Julian type of person. I want that choice he he he.
It would be cool to "rescue" him.
Carlos and the witches dangled that in front of your noses, like a carrot tied to a stick to get a lazy donkey to start walking.
But there's plenty of old seers out there.
I was gazing at a few last night, except the sight of them seemed to make me very sleepy.
Each time I had an irresistible urge to stop practicing and lay down.
And ended up kidnapped by scouts for an hour.
It could be, that if you find any old seers, they're living in a bubble supported by the Allies.
And would rather feed your energy to them, to improve their own situation, than have a talk with you.
Could be, the only reason our death defier decided to join us, is because it had the hots for Carol Tiggs.
Or, she was the first who was cyclic with it...
Did you lay down? For me this has happened in the past and I just sat, closed the eyes and had a very real experience with an IOB.
I guess you did and you ended up on a scout trip.
Oops! That's not so good. We don't do all this work to provide fresh food to them.
So maybe no old seers in the game.
Irresistible...?
So of course I did.
And immediately got kidnapped by annoying scouts.
>We don't do all this work to provide fresh food to them.
I could have just used "running man" to fight the urge.
Could be, the old seers are mostly like inorganic beings now.
So you have to "wrestle" them the same as a real one.
Not give them what they want.
Make them take you out for both a movie, AND dinner!
Cholita's the master of that.
I pity any man who tries to date her.
Unless he's 25 years younger.
She makes allowances for the young and inexperienced.
Remember that they wanted to keep Carlos' body
I'm not saying that they are the same psychics that Carlos yelled at to get them to leave him.
but make sure they can't harm you, they must have a lot of knowledge
Little Smoke and Devil's Weed tried to kidnap him too.
And since they snatched Manfred, I suppose they do have the ability to find a new body for themselves.
Makes me wonder why they don't.
Or, maybe they do and we just don't hear about it?
of course we don't find out, the iobs see everything and know better how the emanations work
Dan What do you think about getting married?
Who getting married?
Carlos arranged marriages all the time between group members.
But when his doctor (Zaia was it?) married one of the Canadian brothers, he said "We're under attack!"
Which he was.
Carol reacted even worse to something else that happened in the inner circle, after Carlos was gone.
Which explains a lot.
Books say, it is needed to lie about your past, for stalking. If you have friends and family, wouldn’t it be impossible? They literally watch you every day, can’t they “trap” you with their perception?
Be careful to keep things in context when reading the books.
We all make mistakes and extract something specific that interests us, without trying to fit it into the entire storyline.
Which has to include the books written later which informed us that there were secret things going on which Carlos was unaware of.
Such as being taught in heightened awareness, using the Nagual's blow.
None of which he remembered when he wrote the first 4 books.
I suppose you might say that lying about your past and stalking, were not of any importance at all to the old seers.
The source of our knowledge.
Certainly they understood that you can hold your assemblage point in new positions through "pretending it's real".
Stalking.
We're stuck in this very reality, from "pretending it's real" too much.
But the old seers didn't face the battle to hide in lineages, that the new seers did.
So the new seers were stuck trying to reproduce themselves each cycle, and by their own "rule" they couldn't pick their apprentices. Whoever was "indicated" to them, was who they were stuck with teaching.
They also couldn't have 8000 volunteers as we do in here, and just find out who learns all by themselves.
They HAD to succeed, or it might cause the demise of their lineage.
In that regards, they taught their apprentices secretly, without the apprentice even realizing it.
And then they kept them entertained in their normal state of awareness, with stuff like "Men of Knowledge", or other interesting bed time stories.
Then, because they were putting so much work into their apprentices, and COULD NOT fail, they gave them a code of conduct.
And told them to leave their friends and family.
But those are NOT a path to sorcery knowledge.
And I'm not sure they apply to us at all, since we don't have seers teaching us secretly, and wanting to make sure we don't get pulled away by some social situation.
It's true that friends and family can make it hard to find practice time.
But you can adjust your work schedule and what techniques you use to learn sorcery, and get in enough time elsewhere.
So you don't have to lie to friends, but you do have to be willing to be creative and make sure you daily get "magic in your face", and can make that grow without stopping.
However you get it.
It's still possible to learn, and be fully involved with family and friends.
It's just 4 times harder...
Hi, thank you for the answer. I have no doubt that one still can be a sorcerer while having family and friends.
What I am still curious about is an influence of their perception, does it really have any "holding" effect? Or you just recapitulate your inner circle daily and that makes you "free" of them?
I will refrain from questions for some time now and read more. Looks like i have a lot of pieces of missing information.
Yes, absolutely it has a very negative effect.
You'll never run into anyone supportive of sorcery activities, at all.
Even Cholita is pissed off at how much I practice, criticizing me for it almost weekly.
But non-sorcerers will even do their best to stop you.
To "rescue you".
Even the ones who pretend to be interested in such things, are not.
They're book deal minded or needing of friends because they're passive aggressive or very annoying, so they join little cults to meet people who are required to like them back.
And if any of your friends were receptive to sorcery, you'd get stuck with them as "apprentices" in their minds.
Which is even worse!
Or they'd start to perceive inorganic beings and take them seriously, establishing a better link, and then come accuse you of sending demons after them.
You break it, you bought it is a good way to think about friends, when it comes to sorcery.
They can also tug on the fibers of your awareness stuck in past events, so that if they were starting to cool off and return all of your energy to you, they'd begin to glow more again and you'd be just as trapped in self-pity as you were before you tried to remove it from your consciousness.
However, keep something in mind.
Don Juan still hung out with his fairly large family of offspring.
At least, I vaguely remember he had descendants he still interacted with.
And Carlos kept Joanie Baker around, the women who brought him to Morongo where he first looked for his "informant" on the use of power plants.
She was living in a granny shack in his back yard at Pandora, in 1997 or so when he had me pretend to be buying his home, so he could get her to realize she needed to find a new place to live. He brought me to her door and had me knock on it, and then shake her hand. To let her see it was real. She had to find a new place to live.
So there's no requirement to ditch everyone.
It's just more fun if you can.
So if I understand what you're saying is it depends? If your family isn't in the way of your practice and goals, for instance you only see them once a year in vacation.. But if they're a hindrance to your development of sorcery, by being controlling and constantly influencing you, then you must distance yourself. Is this the idea?
Not really.
In the lineages, the new seers were putting so much work into an apprentice, and it was so important that they succeed, that they took no risks, and told their apprentices to ditch their family.
and if they didn't, likely that new seers would decide that apprentice wasn't going to be able to learn, because they were unwilling to change their lifestyle.
You really do have to change your lifestyle, once you get quite advanced!
However for us, who always try to pretend to be learning, so we can avoid actually doing hard work, ditching your family is a bad idea.
You'll just turn into "annoying Yoga man" who forces his endless Yoga rules and practices, off on everyone else, to get attention for himself.
A "Saintly" man.
People substitute denying themselves things, for actually being creative and figuring out how to learn sorcery for real.
LATER however, you can "see" why the new seers told their apprentices to ditch their family.
So until you can 'see" that (and it's quite a supernatural sight), it's best not to change anything about how you live.
It's worse to turn into a pretender, than the bad influences your normal life is having on your sorcery progress.
Which happily means, go ahead and consume your intoxicants!
Later, you won't be able to get away with it.
But that'll happen when you're doing stuff no one would believe, on a daily basis.
Well the issue presented itself to me now. I haven't seen my sibling in 25 years. I moved from my country back then and I "pretended" was going to practice sorcery but totally wasted 25 years not practicing, it's always "tomorrow". I'm definitely engaged in this work now, finally, though I still have much more to do and more discipline. My siblings are visiting this country next month after all this time, and I'm undecided if I should go see them. It will only be for a week, and might not see them again for another few years
Carlos told me to go back to my family, however he was dying, and Amy pressured him to tell me that.
And I'm glad I did, because I got to see clearly why sorcerers ditch them.
But it's at the level of "seeing".
If I explained, people would both misunderstand, and pretend it.
It's not really a matter of whether they suck, or don't suck.
All humans suck until they get quite advanced in sorcery.
It's that "self".
There's no way to be a decent person, with that self guiding all of your actions.
You need the quest for more magic to be what guides them.
Well if I'm gonna see my siblings this time after 25 years, and for only a week, since I might not see them for another 5 years later, the only question for me is if that one single encounter will be that counter to my goals. Even if we will be in good spirits as we're not living together, but I wonder what energetically compromise could happe. I've read somewhere it could open your energy to death, but I don't remember where I read this. Certainly not from Carlos Castaneda. I guess I will hear go see them for a week and deal with it. I still have to return back home and continue on my own after that
Hey thx for the post.
It is a topic which garners a lot of my attention I had two times where I ran from home the 2nd time actually being today lol.
I can back today though too.
I just feared that I needed to do it Otherwise I wouldn't be able to expand me consciousness.
This creates a lot of drama though.
Am I understanding you correctly that the only thing that matters is the silence.
It doesn't matter where you are because when one is free of the world you don't identify with what is happening anyways.
I just have so much fear 🤣🫦
Would appreciate a reply
Much love
Here's the best way to learn sorcery.
Don't change anything in your life other than to pick something from the books or this subreddit and practice it daily.
But it has to incorporate stopping the internal dialogue, or it's hopeless.
Do that until you can sit and stream continuous videos in the air, eyes wide open.
And your energy body is fully visible.
Not vaguely. VERY VISIBLE and kind of shockingly bright.
That's the only point at which you know what's going on. So that you can figure out what from the recommendations in the books, will help you go further.
And in the books, Carlos didn't learn by the "warriors way" at all.
He was being taught behind his back, using the nagual's blow.
All the rest of the stuff wouldn't have worked at all, without that secret teaching.
But sometimes people only read the first 3 books, so they don't realize that.
Thx a lot.
Will do that I have been working on stopping my innrr dialogue anyways. Will cut out the rest of the drama I made up.
Much love and appreciation