The problem with this quote is that for the last 49 years people just added it to their list of inspirational words but didn't actually put in any effort to learn.
If they "acted", they didn't act with the right things.
Paths to get real magic which can't be faked. There are many in the books, and all of them work if you really do them.
Gazing, recapitulating (2 hours minimum and daily if you want real magic!), the right way of walking to learn to remove the internal dialogue. Creative not-doing. Stalking (the real kind).
I reached heightened awareness using stalking, in Asia.
One of these days I'd love to make a video on "The Paths Available" and identify a lot more of them.
Instead they acted to get attention from others, or to steal from them, or to pretend in a support group of like minded friends.
At the time don Juan said this Carlos had already seen endless amazing magic. So the quote could be understood by him.
He knew magic existed, knew what it looked like, had been heavily practicing the right way of walking to learn to get silent, and his assemblage point had been moved all over the J curve.
Mostly using the Nagual's blow.
So the quote had real meaning to him.
But to someone who's never seen any of this work, it just ends up doing exactly what it warns against.
Get people obsessed with words.
With a tendency to feel superior about it.
The Chinese are masters of that. Creating "wise words" that are so good it's hard to argue with them at all, despite them being total make believe nonsense.
I wish someone would study how they do that!
Seriously.
And the same for the Japanese. What literary technique do they use, to make up stuff which sounds so true, yet isn't?
Daoist writings are good enough to have completely fooled the most famous intellectuals here, such as Alan Watts.
Who actually discussed Daoism as if it had any real meaning or purpose.
Didn't even figure out it was likely mostly a scam to steal from the emperor. Fine tuned over hundreds of years, by new authors pretending to be some man who probably never existed (Lao Tzu).
That last sentence in the quote is quite significant.
But at this point in the books "the abstract" hadn't been introduced, as far as I know.
Experiencing the abstract over and over makes that last sentence very concrete.
But until you experience it, there's really no way to understand it outside the context of pretending.
[-]
u/impulse65535
1 points2023-11-09 14:01
Tao te Ching starts with the following verse: the Tao that can be spoken is not the real, enduring and unchanging Tao. The name that can be named is not the real, enduring and unchanging name. They're saying the same thing as Don Juan.
[-]
u/danl999
5 points2023-11-09 14:13
No, he's pointing to some "ultimate" thing you only need to learn to witness, and then you're a "superior being".
It's binary enlightenment but in a different form than the other fake Chinese franchise of Buddhism.
At least Hinduism is layered and nothing is "ultimate".
But this is an appeal to angry men looking for something to make themselves feel better.
"If you can just comprehend and view this one thing, you'll be better than everyone else. You can even open your own magic shop!"
It's harmful make believe.
And it fooled you!
That's what amazes me about it. On the surface, at first glance, it seems profound.
I almost think it's "the fliers mind" there. Like a veil over our thinking, which you have to work hard to see through.
That by simple repetition from so many other people, it's become a tiny bit like God or Heaven.
A thing that can actually be witnessed, but which is just a phantom construct.
The words convey some superiority trip mindset without attacking anyone directly (an Asian thing), which people who are earnestly seeking recognize and fall for.
Really! Rethink what you just said. You must know better than that.
It's nothing at all like what don Juan spoke about.
But you can see that for yourself if you travel to Asia and witness real Daoists at work.
I have an office in a Chinese country.
What we get here is the sanitized for westerners version, brought to us by bad westerners trying to cash in on exotic magic from other places which we don't quickly see through.
[-]
u/impulse65535
1 points2023-11-09 14:16
The great Tao flows both to the left and to the right. It nourishes all things, but it does not lord over them. ;) I think you're missing the unspoken wisdom and focusing on tradition, which is irrelevant.
[-]
u/danl999
6 points2023-11-09 14:38
You've been fooled. Possibly because you have something specific in mind you're seeking in the first place, and only see that.
Like, instead of going out to find a nice place to have dinner you have donuts on the mind and only see donut shops along the highway.
Here's some of that "tradition" which comes from believing in Daoism.
[-]
u/impulse65535
1 points2023-11-09 14:47
Nah, I understand the unspoken wisdom. My teachers are my plant allies. They don't rely on words, traditions or concepts. They use direct and unbounded means.
[-]
u/danl999
5 points2023-11-09 14:51
Ok...
My point is fully proven.
Could you go pretend in another subreddit?
There's several created just because people got kicked out of here for the kind of behavior you are showing.
You can complain to them about me, to your heart's content!
[-]
u/impulse65535
1 points2023-11-09 14:55
I don't think you understand wisdom at all.
[-]
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2023-11-09 15:00
Understanding is cheap. For many of us, anyway.
And wisdom, without direct experience, is impotent.
[-]
u/impulse65535
1 points2023-11-09 15:04
I'm somewhat disappointed that you guys are so eager to argue about bullshit semantics.
[-]
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
3 points2023-11-09 15:14
What we are “eager” for is preventing this subs slide into the same masturbatory oblivion that afflicts literally every other online Castaneda forum.
Discussion of the Tao, and believing that is anything other than a critical distraction, and a drain of energy, is one of the hallmarks of that affliction.
Continued reliance on DMT, or other entheogens, is another .
[-]
u/impulse65535
1 points2023-11-09 15:15
You say this as you engage in masturbatory nonsense and gatekeeping. I would sooner trust a dead tree's judgment than yours.
[-]
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2023-11-09 15:18
[-]
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2023-11-09 16:33
The comment this was in response to, which the user just deleted, was something about "trusting the judgement of a dead tree over us."
I'll add this user's modmail response, as text, now that comments can't contain screenshots in deleted posts:
u/impulse65535
1 hour ago
Ban me for good then. Clearly you're too fucking stupid to understand Castaneda's teaching.
[-]
u/danl999
3 points2023-11-09 15:21
You're part of the "Attack of 3s" Carlos himself warned us about back in the mid 90s.
He tried to teach in public parks for free, but couldn't because hecklers like you would show up to advertise their "knowledge".
Many druggies like yourself.
Some even dangerous so that he had to create those workshops with entry fees, locked rooms, and armed guards.
His explanation was that as soon as you get energetic mass, the fliers send people to stop you.
Tending to show up in 3s.
He'd point each one out in private classes over the next 4 years.
And we've seen that in here also for the last 5 years. It's even a joke in chat, spotting the next attack of 3s and looking to see whether it's really three.
We know 2 this time, but the 3rd isn't obvious yet.
Not that there has to be 3.
Carlos just said to look for it. The fliers aren't powerful enough to make sure it's precisely 3, but they come close.
So according to Carlos himself, you aren't here because of "wisdom".
You're been Jedi mind tricked to come, by a specialized form of inorganic being who likes to feast on energy, and doesn't want anyone learning real sorcery.
Because once your energy rises to your knees, they can't consume it anymore.
This new "attack of 3s" is likely in response to some amazing magic I got to see last night, done by a witch Carlos trained himself.
Or it could be because I discovered what could be the equivalent of womb dreaming, but for men.
Which I won't write up until I verify you could do that every night.
Suffers from the same issue as womb dreaming however.
Going in to sleeping dreaming directly from awake, even though it takes only seconds, causes you to lose most of your rationality.
[-]
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2023-11-09 15:07
I overheard someone yesterday watching a Chinese kung-fu movie, and from the dubbed dialogue alone I could confirm that basically everything that’s core-problematic about the Asian social order was on display in that flick.
The dire importance of social standing and reputation, and being driven to defend one’s status to the death, was tantamount in that storyline.
[-]
u/danl999
1 points2023-11-09 14:48
By the way, "left and right" is a translation of a Mandarin Idiom, which doesn't at all mean what it's been translated to here.
I tried to learn Mandarin at one point.
The language is cursed by a lack of unique words, because of the cumbersome glyph based writing system. With many thousands of characters.
But it's still not enough, so they have to re-use each word 4 or 5 times with slightly different inflections no outsider can even hear.
"Left and right" just means, "all over the place".
[-]
u/impulse65535
1 points2023-11-09 14:55
You're getting lost in syntax and not seeing the spaces between the words and the meaning behind the meaning. It is wisely said that he who talks about Zen does not understand Zen. And frankly, when confronted with raw and unfiltered reality, all these concepts aren't worth the paper they're printed on (or the screen they're displayed on). This is what the original quote is about. You can spend 60 years studying esoteric teachings but a single moment of true seeing will override all that conceptual fluff and reveal it as meaningless noise. Silence is the best teacher. DMT is the second best.
[-]
u/Ok-Assistance175
3 points2023-11-09 14:24
That quote is alluding to the chain of syntax, and it’s oppressive result tying humankind to the blue zone.
There’s zero value in comparing that to another ‘system’.
[-]
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2023-11-09 16:39
The original content of this post was a screenshot of this quote:
"The flaw with words is that they always make us feel
enlightened, but when we turn around to face the world they always fail us and we end up facing the world as we always have, without enlightenment. For this reason, a warrior seeks to act rather than to talk, and to this effect, he gets a new description of the world where talking is not that important, and
20 Comments
The problem with this quote is that for the last 49 years people just added it to their list of inspirational words but didn't actually put in any effort to learn.
If they "acted", they didn't act with the right things.
Paths to get real magic which can't be faked. There are many in the books, and all of them work if you really do them.
Gazing, recapitulating (2 hours minimum and daily if you want real magic!), the right way of walking to learn to remove the internal dialogue. Creative not-doing. Stalking (the real kind).
I reached heightened awareness using stalking, in Asia.
One of these days I'd love to make a video on "The Paths Available" and identify a lot more of them.
Instead they acted to get attention from others, or to steal from them, or to pretend in a support group of like minded friends.
At the time don Juan said this Carlos had already seen endless amazing magic. So the quote could be understood by him.
He knew magic existed, knew what it looked like, had been heavily practicing the right way of walking to learn to get silent, and his assemblage point had been moved all over the J curve.
Mostly using the Nagual's blow.
So the quote had real meaning to him.
But to someone who's never seen any of this work, it just ends up doing exactly what it warns against.
Get people obsessed with words.
With a tendency to feel superior about it.
The Chinese are masters of that. Creating "wise words" that are so good it's hard to argue with them at all, despite them being total make believe nonsense.
I wish someone would study how they do that!
Seriously.
And the same for the Japanese. What literary technique do they use, to make up stuff which sounds so true, yet isn't?
Daoist writings are good enough to have completely fooled the most famous intellectuals here, such as Alan Watts.
Who actually discussed Daoism as if it had any real meaning or purpose.
Didn't even figure out it was likely mostly a scam to steal from the emperor. Fine tuned over hundreds of years, by new authors pretending to be some man who probably never existed (Lao Tzu).
That last sentence in the quote is quite significant.
But at this point in the books "the abstract" hadn't been introduced, as far as I know.
Experiencing the abstract over and over makes that last sentence very concrete.
But until you experience it, there's really no way to understand it outside the context of pretending.
Tao te Ching starts with the following verse: the Tao that can be spoken is not the real, enduring and unchanging Tao. The name that can be named is not the real, enduring and unchanging name. They're saying the same thing as Don Juan.
No, he's pointing to some "ultimate" thing you only need to learn to witness, and then you're a "superior being".
It's binary enlightenment but in a different form than the other fake Chinese franchise of Buddhism.
At least Hinduism is layered and nothing is "ultimate".
But this is an appeal to angry men looking for something to make themselves feel better.
"If you can just comprehend and view this one thing, you'll be better than everyone else. You can even open your own magic shop!"
It's harmful make believe.
And it fooled you!
That's what amazes me about it. On the surface, at first glance, it seems profound.
I almost think it's "the fliers mind" there. Like a veil over our thinking, which you have to work hard to see through.
That by simple repetition from so many other people, it's become a tiny bit like God or Heaven.
A thing that can actually be witnessed, but which is just a phantom construct.
The words convey some superiority trip mindset without attacking anyone directly (an Asian thing), which people who are earnestly seeking recognize and fall for.
Really! Rethink what you just said. You must know better than that.
It's nothing at all like what don Juan spoke about.
But you can see that for yourself if you travel to Asia and witness real Daoists at work.
I have an office in a Chinese country.
What we get here is the sanitized for westerners version, brought to us by bad westerners trying to cash in on exotic magic from other places which we don't quickly see through.
The great Tao flows both to the left and to the right. It nourishes all things, but it does not lord over them. ;) I think you're missing the unspoken wisdom and focusing on tradition, which is irrelevant.
You've been fooled. Possibly because you have something specific in mind you're seeking in the first place, and only see that.
Like, instead of going out to find a nice place to have dinner you have donuts on the mind and only see donut shops along the highway.
Here's some of that "tradition" which comes from believing in Daoism.
Nah, I understand the unspoken wisdom. My teachers are my plant allies. They don't rely on words, traditions or concepts. They use direct and unbounded means.
Ok...
My point is fully proven.
Could you go pretend in another subreddit?
There's several created just because people got kicked out of here for the kind of behavior you are showing.
You can complain to them about me, to your heart's content!
I don't think you understand wisdom at all.
Understanding is cheap. For many of us, anyway.
And wisdom, without direct experience, is impotent.
I'm somewhat disappointed that you guys are so eager to argue about bullshit semantics.
What we are “eager” for is preventing this subs slide into the same masturbatory oblivion that afflicts literally every other online Castaneda forum.
Discussion of the Tao, and believing that is anything other than a critical distraction, and a drain of energy, is one of the hallmarks of that affliction.
Continued reliance on DMT, or other entheogens, is another .
You say this as you engage in masturbatory nonsense and gatekeeping. I would sooner trust a dead tree's judgment than yours.
The comment this was in response to, which the user just deleted, was something about "trusting the judgement of a dead tree over us."
I'll add this user's modmail response, as text, now that comments can't contain screenshots in deleted posts:
u/impulse65535
1 hour ago
Ban me for good then. Clearly you're too fucking stupid to understand Castaneda's teaching.
You're part of the "Attack of 3s" Carlos himself warned us about back in the mid 90s.
He tried to teach in public parks for free, but couldn't because hecklers like you would show up to advertise their "knowledge".
Many druggies like yourself.
Some even dangerous so that he had to create those workshops with entry fees, locked rooms, and armed guards.
His explanation was that as soon as you get energetic mass, the fliers send people to stop you.
Tending to show up in 3s.
He'd point each one out in private classes over the next 4 years.
And we've seen that in here also for the last 5 years. It's even a joke in chat, spotting the next attack of 3s and looking to see whether it's really three.
We know 2 this time, but the 3rd isn't obvious yet.
Not that there has to be 3.
Carlos just said to look for it. The fliers aren't powerful enough to make sure it's precisely 3, but they come close.
So according to Carlos himself, you aren't here because of "wisdom".
You're been Jedi mind tricked to come, by a specialized form of inorganic being who likes to feast on energy, and doesn't want anyone learning real sorcery.
Because once your energy rises to your knees, they can't consume it anymore.
This new "attack of 3s" is likely in response to some amazing magic I got to see last night, done by a witch Carlos trained himself.
Or it could be because I discovered what could be the equivalent of womb dreaming, but for men.
Which I won't write up until I verify you could do that every night.
Suffers from the same issue as womb dreaming however.
Going in to sleeping dreaming directly from awake, even though it takes only seconds, causes you to lose most of your rationality.
I overheard someone yesterday watching a Chinese kung-fu movie, and from the dubbed dialogue alone I could confirm that basically everything that’s core-problematic about the Asian social order was on display in that flick.
The dire importance of social standing and reputation, and being driven to defend one’s status to the death, was tantamount in that storyline.
By the way, "left and right" is a translation of a Mandarin Idiom, which doesn't at all mean what it's been translated to here.
I tried to learn Mandarin at one point.
The language is cursed by a lack of unique words, because of the cumbersome glyph based writing system. With many thousands of characters.
But it's still not enough, so they have to re-use each word 4 or 5 times with slightly different inflections no outsider can even hear.
"Left and right" just means, "all over the place".
You're getting lost in syntax and not seeing the spaces between the words and the meaning behind the meaning. It is wisely said that he who talks about Zen does not understand Zen. And frankly, when confronted with raw and unfiltered reality, all these concepts aren't worth the paper they're printed on (or the screen they're displayed on). This is what the original quote is about. You can spend 60 years studying esoteric teachings but a single moment of true seeing will override all that conceptual fluff and reveal it as meaningless noise. Silence is the best teacher. DMT is the second best.
That quote is alluding to the chain of syntax, and it’s oppressive result tying humankind to the blue zone.
There’s zero value in comparing that to another ‘system’.
The original content of this post was a screenshot of this quote:
"The flaw with words is that they always make us feel
enlightened, but when we turn around to face the world they always fail us and we end up facing the world as we always have, without enlightenment. For this reason, a warrior seeks to act rather than to talk, and to this effect, he gets a new description of the world where talking is not that important, and
where new acts have new reflections."
-From Tales of Power