Going out on a limb here, because this is something like a dream of mine.
I suspect it might be a strong/solid game plan to start hidden (legal) communities where we can invest power and be aware of each other. Personally I like the idea of becoming so powerful, fast, and weaponized we can protect each others lives. I think having a way to fully diverge from the river of shit, so as not to succumb to lonliness and terror, from being ripped away, but as a heart in a different story, will inspire/create enough sorcerors that we can begin to slowly trickle into the river of shit, and shake up society in the funnest, funniest, best feeling for-as-many-as-possible way.
Morals are cheap but good feelings and good stories aren't. If more people had power and awareness of each other, even if it temporarily causes problems, we would simply have better more magical and much more temporarily shaky/broken but incredibly invested lives. It's perhaps harder to get there while broken and independent and trying so hard to practice alone without adventure and reliable/consistent meaningful experiences with others.
AND we can "love" and protect one another as we see its importance. So as to not die. And to have tighter offspring. That will hopefully bring humanity to immortality and adventure across all of reality/the universe one day.
Advantages to being alone seem to be uninterrupted access to the exploration of power, and the ability to not die from sheer shit, but we can setup these places to where they can be leveraged and relied upon in ideal ways, not catering to weakness. Somewhere we can grow and store food, intersect, store information and power, rest and reflect, and have sex and have children, and raise them as legally as possible so the US doesn't rain hell on us.
We can write new stories of power and create new schools/universities for ourselves and our children. Make sure we hit our checkmarks so again we don't get thrown in prison as a cult or some shit. I would like the opportunity to see and invest in people who have power, and I would very much like the opportunity to protect and sustain them, while learning and gaining power myself, for the highest possible benefit of me, humanity and my offspring.
Even if it hurts like shit and I lose my mind and might lose my soul and my life (ouch). Theres a balance of parts to this in terms of large scale community that we haven't been able to strike because of how hectic and insane the world has become, and because of how that affects and overrides our devices. I'd like to see clarity and stability and children being raised well. And I want to be able to know the world in relative peace. And I want to be strong. And I really like good interactions with others. And I have an urge to protect people and have ideal offspring.
I don't see any of this happening easily without something like this happening. We're meant to be in tribes. Want to be in them, and feel like we belong and that we're vital to it. I think that's really important.
Techno said this is an investment in society. I get sorcerors are lone wolves and hunt power not ideals. This dream might not last, I just want people to succeed because it's good for me and I assume all of us when they do.
Just an idea.
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Can you add some paragraph breaks to this?
Difficult reading.
Upon skimming, it seems that you're very invested in your place in society, or in you concerns over the state and future of it.
True sorcerers have a different compass from the mainstream (even though it is difficult to completely dis-invest yourself from human affairs...)
Got it. And yeah I get it. Probably just something else disturbing my freedom but it seems like a good idea and something that can be concretely worked towards. Idk.
I went through this phase right before I got to the real goodz. 😎
This is as if I read the plot of some interesting movie, ignorant but quite comforting. Who will be the king of the tribe? And how does the plot unfolds?
As I see it the same as any other group of people. Just more sincerity and more acts of power. No leader unless someone is actually powerful and intent enough for everyone in a time and place to get behind and trust them. Certainly tricky to just say how it would be, cause you know, how would my brain come up with what are we doing and why? I fantasize pretty deeply but it's just a dream. Even if I back it up with experience and logic seeing people and what makes and breaks them. What they fear and want. I never predict completely accurately how it goes
But I imagine it would be extremely exciting if you just took 10 sorcerors from this group, somehow collectively or 1 rich person paid off 100 acres of land way out in nature adjacent to a natural forest or something, and just put them around each other. I'd imagine they wouldn't kill each other. More like get silent and get to know each other and where theyre at. Really figure out what the fuck they want. Leave if they feel like it. Who cares. Hopefully I get rich and do it because I primarily don't want control. I just want to see people grow and see the results of freedom and sharing. But there are others with similar intent. Not to stroke my own dick. It would be fun being that guy, but I can't stand failure and trying to be more important makes me want to die. Im next to nothing compared to the whole picture. Thinking I'm important robs me of it. Enough of that. We can shoot each others shit, too.
My idea with or without sorcery is to have community like this where I can help my friends build homes and grow fruit trees and hunt and whatever so we're mostly free from useless bullshit. And of course there's nothing wrong with utilizing society anyway. Modern innovations like star link and wood smoke generators for power, tools, modern materials, whatever. So we're not freezing and starving to death and have free time. All the things we crave from society with few of the drawbacks. Unless any of those things are useless or the drawbacks necessary.
Working together in person isn't a bad thing no matter how you look at it. If we don't want to, you'd have to wonder why? Are we just selfishly pursuing power and control? Planning on dying alone with a meager legacy? Carlos wouldn't have made shit for progress if all he had was Don Juan's words over the internet to teach and guide him. I'm depressed and sad because everytime I experience some power that shocks and excites me, I feel a deep urge to hide it or logic it out so average lay persons don't flip shit and give me a bunch of nonsense to deal with if i still want them in my life, i even do it for myself so im not shitting my pants and doing more. And I've had impulses of how my life could be given uninterrupted power so many times, I feel stuck. Because I love the people in my life very much, cause I don't want to die, cause I feel the possibility of my soul being ruined, because I want to see but don't want to see at the same time. Shit like this is easier to deal with when you're around people who get it and emanate a similar story. But thats way more intense and there's no going back from such a life changing story.
I don't think investing in community/society is a bad. I just think it's mostly hopeless to do so while intending freedom and power because it's so full of shit. Hence the idea to start community elsewhere that arises from people with that intent, and then see where it goes. But deep down I know there's something wrong with my current idea of it. Probably not enough people wanting that for some odd reasons and probably some very good reasons. Reasons I probably also share but ignore because I see how good this can be. Wanting control and attention, not feeling up to the task, being scared, knowing you cant go back, being rejected or hated by someone you value so much. I'd love to know anyone elses reasons. Because I keep coming back to dreams like this and it usually feels very good and gives me something like a tangible purpose that might lead to something greater than my own attainment of power and what I individually want. Much like what I assume is part of the intent of this sub, which is why I'm currently here.
I'm not trying to rob anybody of power. Unless someone tries to take my life. I'm not trying to take control or make anyone feel like shit. I want to see how far we could go. And I personally want powerful and sincere people in my life. Powerful and sincere enough to kill me or restrain me or destroy what robs me of power if any of that becomes right or necessary. The only alternative is avoiding the totality of ourselves or finding it under shitty conditions. I'm pretty sure the totality of ourselves wants something like this to happen. A world full of magic and adventure. Seeing and knowing all of what and who is around you. Attaining our dreams extremely quickly and in the flesh. Helping our children to do better than us. Fighting and overcoming the shit that keeps it away. All of this is impossible to do alone and be truly happy you did it. Even if we resist that fact. The internet is no different than speaking over the phone. We going to interact through the phone with those who can mean the most to us our whole lives? I hate it. It literally hurts. I can feel my fucking soul losing potential everytime I make the boring but easy decision to keep to myself and not expand and give myself to the world.
We lost hope in each other it seems like. It seems like we're afraid to experience each others shit AND each others totality. Even tho that's the quickest way to let go of one and attain the other. Unless you plan on doing it utterly alone and fuck all the people you could have in your life. I know for a fact I'd regret it on my deathbed. Especially if I did it because I was searching for some cruel hope of immortality while I'm surrounded by literally all of humanities potential. Big fucking sad.
I suppose I see now that this just isn't how life and this reality works. Too much control. I don't know better than what is assembling this reality. It would be a disservice to create something from this intent and so thoroughly forced. God damnit. This was a significant part of my entire fucking purpose and its a pipe dream.
I read this twice, and i think that you are almost there, but clouded by tribal chimp thinking.
It is true that we are social and will gravitate towards contact with others, including IOB’s, in dreaming.
Other than that, it’s only power, the spirit/intent/dark sea of awareness that dictates the outcome.
I always found it intriguing where the books mentioned that the population of entire cities took off into the unknown because they figured out you don’t have to ‘wake up’ at the location where you fell asleep.
Did you happen to read ‘The Art of Dreaming’? Just asking for some friends….
I got to tales of power. Recently almost felt like I could teleport to my extended family across the country but it was just a notion and a feeling. Then immediately had a thousand thoughts about it. I think you're absolutely right about the whole it will be what it wills thing. And me thinking of outcomes and plans is pretty much a waste of time. But until we're the totality of ourselves, there's a degree of doing that unless we're going to sit around and try to feel all of reality or hunt power. We need food, we need shelter, we have to protect ourselves. If we're going to move in a specific direction, why not come together?
Keep reading the rest of the books, then f around with tensegrity/recap/drg and find out :-)
Thank you
The Marx quote applies to me, "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member"