Hi, my name is Waylan. I started Castaneda's techniques about 9 months ago.
I'm willing to talk about the details, if anyone is interested, but, I would like to get straight into the problem i'm having.
I haven't read all of the books. I used them as a resource while implementing the practice.
An In-organic being made themselves known to me. They appeared as an attractive pixie. I thought it might be one of my guides or something. I hadn't seen anything before this besides blue/white light.
I'm going to call this pixie, "Sam". Sam began our interactions with teaching me how to move around in astral. Sam would spread her wings and spin, and I would mimic her movement. Next, she did somersaults, forward and backward. Those actually took me a minute to get down.
Then, she summoned a ball and we threw it back and forth. I think it was to practice my sense of depth in astral. To catch the ball, I just have to picture my astral hands catching the ball. Harder than it sounds, at first.
There were many other lessons (we placed the sole's of our feet together while lying on our back and floating. Using small movements of our wings to keep ourselves level together.) Then Sam began to take me places. Going to the locations was like remote viewing. I didn't seem to have control of what I was seeing.
Fifteen days ago, Sam seemed to get upset that I wouldn't play in astral with them often enough. That's when they told me they were a negative entity. I asked if they would hurt me, and they said yes. From that moment on, I've been fending off negative energies the best I can.
I started with the, LBRP. Then, the Sword Banishing. Then, the Master Protection Ritual. I've since bought "Magical Protection", by Damon Brand. This book was extremely useful. I use some of them every day. The spirits are relentless, though. They do whatever they can to scare me the most.
I can't get rid of them. I've gotten better and better at the rituals. I can now do some pretty wild protection spells that I can see work in the astral realm. Still doesn't get rid of them.
This is an EMERGENCY for me. It's gotten really bad. Can anyone help me?
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If you're a woman, then any advice would be different than if you're male.
And that is why we are asking, specifically, whether you were born with a womb.
I'm a male.
Assuming an IOB. Then you need to make a stand and not back down.
Otherwise known as wrestling with the IOB (inorganic being). Which doesn’t necessarily mean literal wrestling, since they’re largely noncorporeal while interacting with us, but does mean controlling your emotions via silencing your inner monologue….enough to move past fear.
Fear is the first enemy, and the natural response to these things that is driven into us since childhood.
Exposure, over time, matures us with regular second attention experiences again….first the first time since early childhood.
(odd stuff every now and then isn’t enough).
You could ask yourself where your fear response is stemming from, and recap those memory “blocks.”
I would.
Being ostracized from your “tribe” is a big, and shared, fear.
My fear is gone today and the entities have faded a little bit. I must have been making it worse. I've never talked to anyone about this because it's so hard to believe, and going through it alone has been scary.
What does an In-organic being seem like? I just thought because it wasn't organic. Whatever it's called, I need help.
There may be someone here who can give you what you're looking for, but in general we are not shamans, doctors or curanderas.
I just didn't know who to turn to. Who could I tell that won't just assume i'm crazy? This was the only way I could get some advice.
We're also not counselors or therapists so if you think you might hurt yourself then please call 988 (or whatever hotline number is available in your country), and they can help you.
Stop your practice. Check your dopamine level and normalize it (if it is high all the time, try to make it lower).
What's the idea behind lowering my dopamine threshold?
It seems to be a medical issues, so you may need some medical advice.
I get the feeling you have been intending ”bad spirits” from the get go, and the IOB, if it is one, is using that to connect to you. Recapitulation is what we use to clean crappy things we don’t want to bring into the second attention, or, in this case, we don’t want to seep from the second attention into everyday awareness. Affection, playfulness and awe are useful emotions to grow. Heavier things will get back at you in frightful ways.
I wasn't trying to reach anything. I only found out about Castaneda because I was researching the things I was experiencing, and his descriptions were exactly what I was experiencing.
You seem like you might have some good insight into this. But, I can't figure out how to DM you. Could you take some time to look at my problem seriously?
I’m afraid I can’t help you. My comment was really targeted to those who read this subreddit and may develop fear towards Castaneda’s methods from reading your post. Demonic-like scares is part of the dark room practice for many, but it is just that.
If you have “lost your soul,” my suggestion is to look up an affordable catholic priest and work within your own system of beliefs.
With this I don’t mean that I don’t take your suffering seriously, but my guess is that it stems from YOUR issues, on a deep perceptual level.
That actually helps a lot.
I've always struggled against a darkness in my life, but I've never given in to it.
Can you tell me more about the "demonic-like scares"? What do other people say when they perceive to experience negative entities in dark-room practice.
They are not negative entities. It’s scary perceptions of incomprehensible things. You can read up on what can be experienced e.g. here: https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/illustrations/j-curve?share_id=XZ-CNBlYfwtHKq3nyIXA2&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
You need to read the books. All will be revealed. You need to get to know the real you, which they explain in the book, but can't sum up in a sentence for you here. That's the only help you need. Forget darkroom until you read the books.
And you'd do well to work towards dropping your attachment to your inventory:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/terminology/astral_projection
This is just adding insult to injury. You can't get yourself out of the pit (blue zone on the J-Curve) by adding more inventory to carry around that comes from the human domain, and is thus tied to keeping you confused and powerless.
It's checkout-lane esotericism.
Can you please give it to me in layman's terms? I honestly don't know much about this, and the problems I'm having are very serious.
You seem like you have been around this for a minute. Can you take a second to look at my problem? I'm not too many days away from suicide.
No. You have to put in the time.
That work will also help to smooth over your concerns, and drive away with confusion.
If you’re persistent.
Do these entities have any way of causing me injury? Do they have any influence over my thoughts or feelings?
It felt like maybe they were able to make me afraid by injecting fear into my psyche in some way. Is that a possibility?
They're not made of matter.
And all sorts of things can have influence over us, if we allow it. Being aware of it is the first step to crafting your own strategy, which always takes time and effort.
Fear is the first barrier to further interaction.
It's a litmus test to determine your seriousness, and persistence. And your willingness to cast off that which shackles you.
Your help means a lot me. Thank you.
You say they are not made of matter. Do you have any more insight into what they are?
Energy.
But then so is everything.
But I doubt it's as clear-cut as that. Matter is a tricky thing...find out just how tricky for yourself! 👍
If nobody in spiritual practice communities are stepping up to help you here in your time of need, you might consider seeing a regular western medical doctor. Cease AP practice, cease meditation, and possibly get on some medication that might help with the fixation aspect of these issues. If you're out of options (or even if you aren't), it's better than letting yourself perish.
There are also psychic mediums that claim to be able to fix situations like this, but many of them have wait times and it seems like most of them charge $200+. There are probably ones who help for cheaper, I just don't know who they are. Perhaps you could find a good one.
But yeah, tricksters abound. More often than not, people get chewed up and spit out trying to interact with interdimensionals, who have propensity to lie about their identity in order to embed themselves in people's lives, then work on damaging or ending that life.
Don't let them win, even if that means traditional medicine, professional monitoring, and hard disengaging to whatever extent you're able to.
I don't want to be afraid of meditation. I haven't meditated in 2 weeks because I can't close my eyes while i'm awake without becoming afraid of what I see. Is there a possibility that they are using fear in order to cause me to stop doing things that are good for me, making me even more easy to manipulate?
Unfortunately I'm no expert on the topic. I just know that they're bad news. But I believe you can vigilantly detach from the situation and get yourself in a better place, albeit maybe with some help.
Thank you.
To be fair Carlos Castaneda States that allies can be pestering. How are they attacking you ?
At first, it looked to me that you are pretending, especially because you are male, but the suicide thing kinda gave me hope otherwise.
We have Dan here who will tell you right away if you have mental illness or it's actual Magic you are epxierencing. He will probably comment sometime soon.
If not mental illness.
My take is rituals is your first problem, as some time ago I ve started my path from it as well and it would give me frightful experiences. It was so scary that it would make me shake. See the problem with rituals is that they are such great disruptive not doings that it moves your assembly point greatly fast, but doesn't give you much soberity as you are not doing it through direct silence and guided intention (tensegrity). It's like you are thrown in random direction without any control.
So basically you had awesome experiences, but haven't learnt how to handle those expierences as your mind is unhinged and wants to self-destruct in your case. You can imagine yourself being drunk, just like this messy post of begging for help as you spiraling out of control. Drunk driving may not get you home safe.
Your best bet is someone very experienced to help you out here, but in the end of the day they only person who can help you is yourself.
My take. Stop doing rituals. Especially from book deal mindset "magicans". Don't be afraid of other entities, no matter what they tell you or how scary they look like and start recapitulation ASAP. With enough hours of recap you will get some kind of soberity to stop indulging yourself to the point of suicide. Best of luck man, may the force be with you
I'm stopping the rituals. Starting recapitulation. Thanks for the advice. Is there a way to "turn it off"?
Stop what, IOBs? I guess you could talk to yourself in the head and tell yourself it's not real until it eventually fully disappears. This is kind of walking backwards, so I don't know the consequences. In my opinion your focus should be not on how to stop it or run away, but rather how to be sober enough and strong enough to wistand the most scariest appearances without reacting on it and loosing control.
How does it happen?
The blue/white light that I consider "astral light" overlays everything in my vision. When I close my eyes or walk into a dark room I can see figures within the blue/white light. They do horrible things to an avatar that looks like me, I'm assuming to mess with my head.
And how did you manage to see this kind of light?
For a few months, I just saw it while I was meditating. I was meditating for a few hours a day, and seeing the light was exhilarating to me.
I saw things in the light sometimes. Just dark smudges. But, they moved around.
One time, I was just looking at one of those smudges, and I moved closer to it. There's a lot more to the story, but that's how I found out that I was in a 3D enviroment.
With what intentions did you meditate?
I often declared my intentions to reach my higher self.
Sometimes I asked to, "thin the veil".
Always, my intention was to experience union with the Divine Mother.
That may sound strange, but it worked somehow, didn't it? At least, if reading through your experience report. It just wasn't what you expected. Otherwise you wouldn't be so scared.
You need to know that inorganic beings like to interact. And the simplest method of interaction is through fear. Explore your expectations, there are hidden intentions which you aren't even aware of, but which are obvious to inorganic beings.
What you need is sobriety, but meditation won't do it. Instead, practice inner silence. Then you'll notice more and more garbage you're clinging to in order to clean up. It will also be best to distance yourself from esoteric systems. After all, you've experienced for yourself the nonsense and confusion that results from them.
We live in a predatory universe, and the inorganic beings give you a taste. Get to the point where only your own perception counts. We are perceiving beings, not thinking ones. That's part of inner silence and sobriety. In a predatory universe, you can't allow yourself to make the mistake to assume that it would be somehow different.
I've heard, Nyei Murez say that CC didn't talk about the IOB's he saw, in detail. I wonder why?
Why would that be of interest? In his books are enough stories about IOBs.
Thank you so much. I think your posts are what dropped my fear enough to get the ball rolling.
It's not unreasonable to take an inventory on what else is going on in your life. We attract what we are. Is there an area in your life that you feel ill about? Just like people feed on us in varying ways, these things need to feed too. It's dangerous to reach out (happens when we expose ourselves to the ethereal via meditation, dreaming, etc) when we're unaware of what sort of energy we might be putting out there like a fishing line.
Meditation changed my life about a year ago and I quit drinking. I've been drinking for the past week because it's just all so much. I know that's probably making it worse, but it's kept the worst of the fear at bay.
My mother used to tell me about being visited by a horrible being whenever she would attempt to sleep without the aid of Xanax. She could tell that he was angry. My intuition is that he was feeding off her while she knocked into unawareness. He was angry that he no longer had an easy energy-meal. The coinciding of adopting meditation, quitting drinking, and witnessing these being might be a similar situation. You'll read in carlos' work that Sobriety is of utmost importance. Keep in mind that doesn't necessarily imply sobriety from substance but sobriety in countenance/Being. Having clear emotions and thoughts. Substance does indeed take us out of our Sobriety. To face The Ethereal with total Sobriety of Being might be the safest way to confront what happens there- and there is more than just ether. Don Juan also says that our universe is predatorial, just like our planet- the strong feed on the weak.. anything we witness out there is more likely to be more dangerous than kind just based on the nature of survival. Beings from neighboring universes, as Don Juan says, are likely to be predatorial as well since likeness attracts likeness. To be strong of mind and body and Will in our waking lives helps to create strength in our Ethereal Journeying. Maybe take up Jiujitsu and lift weights (both INCREDIBLE "not-doings," which you'll read about in CC). With the strength you gain in confronting yourself and other humans, it can create the strength you might need to confront these inorganic beings.
Thank you so much for this. Which of his works covers this best. Where should I start. I have them all.
I just covered topics discussed throughout all twelve. Inorganic Beings are talked about most I believe in "the art of dreaming." I think the fourth, Tales Of Power is a recap of the first three (I might be mistaken) and so might offer the most "reader's digest" version. But the real magic is found in the conversations Carlos has with Don Juan throughout. Especially in the circumstances that lead to the tidbits of wisdom. And DJ hits the same points over and over and over again randomly- not like in an organized set of courses one might take at university. DJ says often it's because Carlos is stupid and spends too much time writing and not enough time listening haha.
The absolute main take-away is: to be Impeccable. Meditate and study what it means to be Impeccable. That will lead you to the strength it takes to enter eternity, bypassing the devouring great eagle (DJ's version of what it means to die versus dying awake with intention). Nothing can surmount a man when he is truly Impeccable- not inorganic Beings, not suffering, not other humans, not even his own low-level desires.
With that in mind, there are a million ways to practice being impeccable. And it is indeed incredibly useful to use actual physical practices to build this. DJ will even infer that his practices are NOT the only way to attain this state but are just the ones he was taught or learned on his own.
The goal is See existence for what it truly is: energy.. not matter. But in order to See, one must bypass the conditioning we've established. Such conditioning is necessary because we need to eat and relate to each other to create society and such. But it sustains only a Version of reality, not unmitigated reality.
Some themes that help create this Seeing are:
- not-doings,
- stopping the world,
- dreaming,
- Intention/impeccability.
There are practices to achieve this discussed in the book but, again, there are modern ways to achieve them as well. I'm happy to define those terms for you if you'd like.
I looked up "impeccable" and it seems it's a person who doesn't sin. I think you have the best advice so far.
I'm going to go back to AA meetings. I think that trying to live in the best way I can might actually be what saves me from this.
I applaud you with an intensity. I might advise to stray from the word "sin" as it has certain implications "right and wrong" in a religious sense. Your intention and impeccability is what is "right" and to r life is your religion. You know what you have to do, nobody else has the authority to tell you that. And there are many paths up the mountain. Dan Millman's Way Of The Peaceful Warrior is the perfect place to start in discovering methods to practicing Toltec Wisdom (DJ teaches CC Toltec wisdom).
Avoid the 7 deadly sins (soul killers), and you’ll be fine. Add alcohol and you will have 1,000’s more arrive.
Humor helps
Lol. I do think that i'm giving them what they want by being afraid. I'm doing the opposite now, and it seems to be working.
It sounds like your spirit has been kidnapped to a witches sabbath. I have no idea how to end that, but getting your spirit back into your body should be the priority. Middle pillar ritual and anything designed to close holes in your aura. Alternatively stop doing magic entirely until it wears off. They want your energy, if you cultivate more of it they'll want it more.
It's funny you say "kidnapped", because that's how it feels. Anytime I try to leave the astral plane, the entities will grab my astral avatar and bring it back. Like, somehow they can keep me there just by holding on to my astral form.
And, they are definitely feeding on my energies, because I can see them latched on to me.
I looked it up, and I found a few resources to try to fend them off. I started with the "LBRP", then the "Sword Banishing", then the "Master Protection Ritual". I can see the rituals have an effect, though it hasn't made it any better.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to get my spirit back in my body?
I wish I knew. I have a similar problem.
Based on your evolution in these comments, you seem to have largely moved past it. Keep going! Keep doing whatever creates better feelings, behaviors and a sense of power in you.
Here's my sense from being on this post for a minute
Do you want to hurt yourself? Do you have bad feelings towards yourself? If you do, stop it. ✋️ Cultivate inner silence and a sense of freedom. FREEDOM. You should automatically protect yourself from things that hurt you. Or not care about empty threats. You just seem to lack clarity and have messy intentions.
You should be having fun with all of this. Or at least some exhilaration and motivation! It's a powerful encounter with either your own forces or forces from a mysterious origin you are being given many opportunities to interact with. Most don't get this opportunity in such a direct fashion.
Keep your head aligned. When you see something morbid and scary, don't hide and suppress and make things up and make yourself weak and passive. It's better to scream and shit your pants by facing what you can see then to put your life on hold. It puts your mortal body in a loop of imagining terrible scenarios and feeling that way more and more and looking at the state of yourself and seeing weakness and continuing the loop even more. Just let it go and GO.
Our bodies are very predictable and simple. You THINK you're going to die, so its crippling you with fear and indecision. You THINK acting in ways that you want to deal with this shit will make people think you're crazy, so its crippling you with hesitancy and distrust and repression. Just like any other anxious animal. So you're stuck AND afraid AND thinking this thing is torturing you. So ending your suffering by suicide actually somehow seems like an option. End your suffering with your LIFE.
If the situation persists, get what you want out of the situation. Ignore it. Fight back. Make funny threats. Let yourself do strange things as it feels good. Intend something other than avoidance and clawing for survival or peace. Being scared isn't the same as being in danger. But your mind will want you to THINK that if you lack clarity and confidence. And your body follows suit. Evolutionarily on this planet its safer for you to run and hide then to be free and do what you want if your brain and body think you're weak and helpless and going to die. But in this case that's the opposite of what you want.
Instead, feel the fear and face the unknown anyway with as much freedom and ease and confidence as you can muster, until your bodies tolerance for those experiences and emotions increases. Someone said living a better life physically will help with that and they're absolutely right. No reason not to keep your wits and humor and life about you. The simple things like that which strengthen your body also tend to strengthen your will and tolerance to intense and "what the fuck" experiences. Just don't use those hobbies or actions or what have you in the world as a means of ESCAPE. Totally the wrong intent. You have no idea what you're capable of when push comes to shove. And you can face it anywhere in any mood.
Exciting, isn't it? It's scary too, but it's going to be until your body understands that you have the resolve to protect yourself in spite of the fear. In spite of being judged by other humans. Suicide isnt an option. You can face anything. This overwhelming fear and sadness can become exhilaration and a lust for life, because you truly do have options other than flee and avoid and hate your life.
This is a good opportunity for you to get stronger and much more aware. And don't let setbacks dash your resolve and get you thinking unnecessarily. You will be victorious again, just be patient.
Cultivate inner silence, most important - stop reacting poorly. Recapitulate so that you're more yourself. Deep down you know how to deal with this. This entity isnt special or different, you're just doubly afraid of it because the reality of it is so fucking weird because this society is so fucking basic. Strengthen your body and your resolve to protect yourself and do what you want. Recapitulation puts your desired intent in your body and so does letting yourself do what you want to begin with, jiu jitsu, going on a walk, playing with your dogs, imagining that girl, having fun at a bar, whatever it is for you. When it doesn't disturb you unnecessarily to want to, make moves to deal with this entity. But this will probably just become boring and itll go away.
If not, figure out things about it by seeing it without internal monolog, guessing, paranoia. The better you understand it, the less you judge your own intent and creativity, the more clarity you have, the easier you will automatically deal with it and not be someone it wants to disturb.
You got this man.
Look into the subreddit r/escapingprisonplanet a lot of this will make sense and the puzzle pieces will connect.. these archon beings appear as a light being but they are shapeshifters… trust no being always ask for their true core self to be revealed first, ask and you shall receive. Be careful of contracting with them also, entering a contract. Know your sovereign power. You do not need to call upon any being other then your own inner power. You call apon a being you put the power outside of yourself and put it in their hands then you fear and fear shuts you down
I found this sub because I’m a member of r/Shamanism. I’ve glanced at Castaneda’s works so this sub piqued my interest. Your problem is interesting to me from a metaphysical and philosophical perspective. I have seen other commenters state that it’s part of the dark room experience, which means next to nothing to me. However, from my experience as a shamanic practitioner it seems as though you have either acquired heavy energies or discovered unwanted patterns that are manifesting in this way in an effort to have you address them. For example, a pattern that I experienced was fear of failure that manifested as extreme people pleasing tendencies and refusal to step outside my comfort zone. Fear can be considered both a heavy energy and an unwanted pattern. Sometimes the first step in changing this is our physical space/routine. When a client presents to me talking about entities that are with them or that they are experiencing difficulties with, my first recommendation is to clean the space most affected by sweeping, vacuuming, dusting, and/or mopping, then spraying Florida Water followed by smoke cleansing with juniper. The next step is establishing sacred space. Then the client and I take time to discuss any heaviness they’ve been experiencing or unwanted patterns they wish to clear. Once that’s established, I begin to facilitate the clearing with the client. The final step is to map a new pathway using positive descriptions based on the pattern that was cleared. Any time experiences occur it takes time to integrate it and understand it. I hope you can find something that is useful to you.