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Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Foucault, and Derrida all imagined this, but only from a point of view they could comprehend, on the Island of the Tonal. So please, could you toss out those books by European idiot philosophers? In the end, they're no better than Alan Watts, who on meeting Carlos in person asked, "Have you ever had sex with a man?"
Philosopher = clueless man on ego trip.
With Tensegrity and silence, you can LITERALLY "deconstruct" yourself.
But the result might be very disturbing at first!
Myself, I like that kind of thing. Creepy, disturbing, scary... It's all good as long as it's real magic.
It's the LACK of real magic which is the most disturbing to all of mankind.
It's driven them mad with greed and self-pity.
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Nietzsche's a little different from those other guys because he moved his assemblage point around a lot using drugs.
And he could probably get to the green zone, because he would spend lots of time walking long distances in the mountains and forests, so like a right way of walking, even if it's not sorcery.
And because of his mental illness and physical illness his assemblage point was moving around enough to where he was placed in an insane asylum, then he died.
I think Nietzsche suffered a breakdown partly because of his sister Elisabeth’s marriage to some nazi. I heard the story of Nueva Germania directly from my long lost primary care physician who hailed from Paraguay, who in turn knew about that failed colony from his dad.
There are probably some books on the subject of Nueva Germania in Paraguay… thankfully it didn’t work out.
I actually haven't read any of those guys since high school, during which time I was as confused and in awe as everyone else, and assumed all the "endorsements" of them as "great thinkers" must mean I need to read them really well, to "prove myself".
That's the despicable nature of con artist philosophers.
But it's not really why I bring them up with disdain.
I'm n the "revenge business" also, on behalf of Carlos.
If someone from private classes "owes" him for adding counter intent to his attempts to lecture us on sorcery, I'll get back at them eventually.
The Europeans were the idiots who tried to steal class attention by bringing up the topic of "deconstructionism".
They need to pay for it.
I doubt Nyei will take up the "revenge business".
And Reni would never do that. She's even making friends with Yogananda zombies, trying to lure more business.
Cholita could get revenge.
But she gets carried away. Nearly killed me one time.
Giggling the whole time.
Oh, got it now, was confused for a bit why we’re beefing with philosophers lol To be honest, before coming across this subreddit I maintained a semi-dual stance on Castaneda: if Don Juan was real, - cool, if he was just a figment of imagination, - also cool. At the very least I considered Castaneda and his circle groundbreaking philosophers, signifying the resurgence of true metaphysical knowledge and a new “pagan” religion.
However, I understand how pedestrian the philosophy take is if what he wrote is real. but it’s so much easier and more pleasant to just be “deconstructing” lol instead of recapitulating and trying to force silence. The former is effortless and fun, the latter is hard and unpleasant.
From yesterday's chat log:
u/Ok-Assistance175 - "Opinions (and philosophies!) are like assholes. Everybody has one."
u/TechnoMagical_Intent - (referring to yet another academically-minded wannabe-debunker of Carlos). Such individuals always get hung up on the aspects of the books that resonate with their own proclivities. The invented drama of the inner circle times, the philosophical aspects, or the Native American anthropology/ethnography being two of the most common. The later being the 'First 4 Books People,' who conveniently skip over the passages where it's clearly explained that the only thing Yaqui about any of it, was don Juan himself. The culture in which he was bodily raised.
They're never motivated enough to actually pursue the inner work, the practices, or the discoveries to be had in non-ordinary reality; for themselves.
They just use what they read to (desperately) reinforce their view of what's important in the world. Themselves. Or people in general. Or even their ideas 🙄... because the books challenge that, directly.
Yup, coz that’s easy and comfortable. While silence is looking impossible to me rn, not gonna lie.
For those of us who are hyper-neurotic insomniacs...
... it's never easy. And never straightline progress.
At least not yet.
But persistence is really key.
I kinda come at the process in waves: storm it for a week or two, then for months don’t do anything till the sparks are completely gone. Then to get them back, even the blurry ones, I get back to recap and gazing, once I get them back, I stop practicing for months again lol
The euro-Philosophers were pretty awful.
Basically they got invited to private class because Cleargreen pointed out to Carlos they had traveled a long way to come to a workshop, and likely wouldn't be back again.
So why not let them attend a private class?
But they turned into "polite hecklers".
The kind who turned up their noses as if they were smelling shit, every time Carlos spoke.
But Carlos played nice, despite the obvious horrible nature of those men.
When they asked some lame question such as "But didn't Husserl say that..."
Carlos actually engaged them, and seemed to have read whatever nonsense they were blathering on about.
But for weeks after that, he'd imitate them turning up their noses as they walked around judging everything.
I'm told, he did a few imitations of me at Pandora.
He also used to imitate Howard Lee, with some nickname like "cotton mouth".
Implying Howard spoke like he had cotton balls stuffed in his cheeks.
Curious. That does sound like most “intellectuals” encountering esoteric discussions, though lol so no surprise in their passive aggressive demeanor. They don’t come to learn, they come to “expose” and elevate their status by doing so. Also:
1. Not familiar with Husserl or their work.
2. Why would he imitate you? (We’re you snobby or passive aggressive at first, too? Lol)
3. What’s Pandora?
Why would Carlos imitate me?
Everyone does. It's the autism.
I've reduced the disallowed social quirks somewhat, but I typically go insane if there's more than 2 new people standing in front of me. Which works fine in Asia, when they need a white guy engineer with grey hair.
They can't tell that I've gone insane. They just think all westerners are strange.
Pandora is the street name where Carlos' home was located.
An odd coincidence?
Kill Bill -> Cotton mouth?
The Asian Yakuza woman who liked to behead people.
Ohh, got it! that was just the name of snake, her nickname didn’t start because of actual cotton balls in the mouth lol
Hm, Autism? I’ve been told I exhibit some traits, don’t have the diagnosis, though.
Generally it’s considered bad manners to be imitating someone for their mental divergence. Not sure why Carlos would do that.
He had his reasons.
Likely don Juan did that also.
In my case, some of the women were actually afraid of me.
So maybe he was lessening that tendency by changing their thinking on the topic.
Cholita was one of those, and it still lingers to this day.
She both hates me, and considers me the lowest of all males, but is also afraid of me for what I might be able to do, sorcery wise.
I wonder if she hates you bc she feels dependent on you for her worldly needs. It’s kind of demeaning to not being able to provide for oneself, it builds up resentment instead of gratitude, ironically. Did she ever thank you in a moment of clarity?
It's typical in paranoid schizophrenia.
The brain is mistakenly wired, so that they make bad neural associations. Between two different topics which are unrelated.
Such as that a red soft drink is blood. I can't drink anything red around her.
She considers it me threatening her. To the point that she's even punched me for doing that, while I'm driving her somewhere.
But this is so common, they always say that paranoid schizophrenics always end up believing their caregiver is plotting against them, and holding them captive.
There's nothing unusual going on here.
As for her not liking me from before she became ill, that was because when she arrived in private classes Carlos decided to "blackmail" her with the lure, and only let her go sporadically to a class, until she "obeyed" him.
Cut her hair short.
Cholita was so pretty she could get a man to take care of her in 10 minutes, in any large city. So by cutting her hair, she became entirely dependent on the living conditions he'd given her, on bringing her up from Mexico City.
Then he wanted her to stop smoking.
And she had to work a REAL job for 6 months. Which he got for her through his art restoration side business. Likely restoring lineage Art to sell it. But Cholita won't tell.
And maybe she had to do something else she won't admit.
When she got into an occasional class, she always found me there, and learned that I'd been in all of them.
Since the start most likely.
If there were a few earlier ones, no one ever mentioned it to me.
The first were at random locations, and not at Dance home.
Yeah, quite a stressful situation for all parties involved. How did you both manage to progress on this path with such an energy-sucking set-up is beyond me, tbh.
The allies of Carlos blackmailed me, that's all. No puzzle there.
Cholita's the real mystery.
I theorize she was exposed to the apprentices of don Juan, who moved here. Nestor, Benigno, Soledad.
And somewhere along the line, someone really taught her to keep her mouth shut.
Never demonstrate any magic for anyone is the worst thing they taught her.
You have to get her a little drunk, if you want to have any chance at all of seeing what she can do.
Taking her on a shopping spree before hand helps.
But not pizza. Stay away from drinking wine and Mohitos, while eating Pizza.
She's more likely to feel threatened by one of the female servers. Decide she's flirting with you.
And once she's angry or jealous of another woman, you'll get no magic.
I simply don't think it matters who or what Don Juan was. It is what is taught and works rather than where it comes from.
What is the advanced subreddit ie what's the difference between this subreddit and it?
I heard they trade crypto in the 2nd attention!
Just kidding…🤣
Yes, i kind of figured
Those who stick around and kept practicing, get admitted. And since it's private, Dan doesn't skimp on certain choice details that could potentially be abused, like he tends to do on the public sub (this one).
OK. Thanks
I also get to complain about Cleargreen a bit more over there...
They certainly have it coming these days!
They don't seem to be too successful in getting people to genuinely move toward expanding their awareness. I know you mentioned that you can't say to much here but what would be your biggest issue with Cleargreen these days?
They're making up new Tensegrity passes, thus contaminating what people practice with stuff that won't work.
They're causing people to waste their precious time.
Some of the new tensegrity forms are pretty awful. Embarrassing even.
Cleargreen LA is doing that, Aerin is doing that, and Miles is doing that.
As if, it's inevitable they'd all go bad.
But then, Carlos said that would happen. In less than 10 years, he estimated.
He also didn't pick Miles to be a male leader, despite making a desperate search from candidates he considered suitable.
And Miles wasn't one of those. So Clearly Carlos had doubts about his motivations.
I just ran into him attending some kind of "Chi Gung Summit".
And he's visible on that horrible fraud woman "Patricia's" fake magic workshop offerings.
Along with Mantak Chia, and some "Dao of the nagual" crazy lady in a clown outfit.
That's where Miles is hanging out.
Cleargreen Mexico is advertising Rinpoches, as "wise". They worst Asian con artists outside Chinese speaking countries.
And Reni has made up some bizarre form of "enlightenment", where you have to be told how you know you are "in it". I challenge anyone to try to figure out where that's described in the books.
It does indeed run contrary to everything sorcery is!
She's promoting make believe.
But, they do have the real tensegrity movements.
And it's not a bad thing if there's an organization teaching those.
It's just too bad people who attend their workshops aren't warned ahead of time, to sit in the corner when they teach the fake ones.
To shame them into stopping that.
So maybe they'll go back to restore the original 216 Carlos gave us.
It also seems as if none of them ever got serious about removing their internal dialogue.
And that none of them actually does as much recapitulation as they let people believe.
And that none of them even do much Tensegrity.
Because both of those lead to stunning magic.
Things got so bad that the reputation of Carlos fell into the toilet, with nothing at all from them to contradict the idea that Carlos was a fraud.
That would have been easy to disprove if they had simple continued what Carlos was doing at the end.
Explaining, and even making a few pictures, of how amazing our sorcery is. With emphasis on "seeing".
The Blue scout even painted a poster showing how silent knowledge materializes.
But they lost it.
We can't even locate a copy...
Worst of all is, they're selling certifications to take over for them some day.
To clueless people who have the cash, but no real desire to ever learn magic.
They're just attention seeking magic pretenders looking for a unique franchise.
Yes, sounds about right, particularly the last parts about them not really doing that many passes or recapitulating that much. There seem to be a lot of well off retired people involved these days. Part of me still wants to believe that there are some people behind the scenes who are further along but these days Cleargreen just seems to be there to fill a space ie better that than nothing. As if they've just kind of given up and are taking the money, thinking "well at least they'll know it exists and it won't completely die out"
My thinking is that we need to try to turn them into a "Man of Knowledge" group, officially, so that people realize that's what they're selling, and that the men of Knowledge never actually had real magic, other than what their rituals, drugs, and an Ally could produce.
It's true that's what they've become. Reni seems obsessed with the idea of "power".
Which is mostly nonsense to a "seer".
Seers either have enough "Energy" today, or they don't. And if they don't, they know how to restore it for the next day.
"Power" is irrelevant.
But here's my hope:
Go back in time and recover the smoking mixture formula.
That's 100% doable.
Teach how to make it to Cleargreen, and let them include that in their offerings.
Make them "solid" men of knowledge, instead of crappy ones.
Little Smoke is still around, and would likely help them restore those techniques.
The mushroom shapes, and traveling on water.
Don Juan said Little Smoke didn't need any rituals!
So if you had both items needed, then you could do those techniques.
Which the men of knowledge SOLD to others. That was their main motivation, something they could sell.
Just like Cleargreen.
Minx is around too, but Devil's weed is a whole level more dangerous than simple shrooms.
Maybe Minx would make due with the smoking mixture? Perhaps with an added weak glass of Datura tea leaves, such as they use at Morongo.
Just don't ask me to sew his mouth shut for customers.
Cholita might do that though...
Okay another dumb question. Are you guys familiar with Yog-Sothoth from the Lovecraft Universe? Which for me is the closest concept humanity has for god. Well I have been kind of communicating with that being for all my life. Mostly me talking to it through animals and plants or just simply to the wind so to speak. Could it be that I have had an actual conversation with an IOB humanity would consider god? I'm still new to this and still just reading the first book.
Yog-Sothoth (a new one in here) is simply an inventory item; with no more or less validity then any other "god" figure.
It's just another item on the table (you'll know what this means if you continue to read the books).
Reality is not (at all) what we're taught from childhood. In here, we seek that which is "outside the table."
Thank you for your insight I'll continue working through the original books.