Hello, Im lurking here for a while, i read all carlos books, meditate a and try to practise (mostly silence the mind). Anyway I started too watch Startwars movies for the first time, I must say it seems sespucioly related, any insight about that topic?
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I heard George Lucas was a massive Castaneda fan. They mentioned it in the first episode of the trickster podcast
Also, acknowledge that Carlos's first 5 books were published before Stars Wars (1977). When the movie first showed in theaters on May 25, 1977, it was only showing in a small number of locations, and didn't get a larger showing until later that year.
The Second Ring of Power was already written and being printed, in late 1976, for it's January 1977 distribution.
Now go read about Buddhism. Same story/practices there too. The reason is because these themes are eternal. They will be present in most lineages.
You are mistaken Mysticism is not related to sorcery, The practices and results are very different!
I appreciate your feedback. Of course there are nuances specific to each school and culture but regardless the path, the end is the same: to enter eternity fully awake and aware (in carlos terms: to slip passed the devouring eagle in full consciousness). The practices hold the same meaning: to learn to wield the unseen forces by our intent, according to our intent.
I don’t believe they can have the same results,
one major example is the internal dialogue, mysticism only modifies the internal dialogue where as sorcery deletes the internal dialogue.
Depends on which version of mysticism you're working with. Also. This is indeed a form of mysticism. The word mysticism doesn't denote specifics, it's a broad term. Can't start with silence if you don't know how. So they start with easier paths to the greater, more difficult act of silence. Have you read all of Carlos' books? Knowing this will help me have a better understanding of where you're coming from.
You're at the risk of deviating too much from the purpose of this subreddit. As it could be scouted so far, no outside system has at least a reliable entry point into the 2nd attention. End of discussion.
I'll recenter my point this way: the other systems are the same as this system which validates its existence and authenticity. I see all paths pointing to this path. Which is why I am here and not there. DJ strayed from his benefactor and Carlos strayed from his. This system can't even be contained in its own bottle because each new practitioner applies their own spin. As taught by DJ himself.
How did you arrive at the conclusion that DJ strayed from the nagual Julian? We know Carlos was the one to close Don Juan’s lineage with the “golden keys”. I am not sure what you’re arguing here.
I think you’re stretching things a bit with your point about any equivalence to other systems. There are none.
I'm not gonna flip through the books to find a quote, you either read them and remember or you didn't read them all or you don't remember.
The only example I can think off the top is "finding your hands" in dreaming. If this system was rigid, DJ would have said that that would be final, the only way. But he specifically joked saying you could "find your pecker" as an alternative but said the hands are easier. DJ himself promoted the fact that there is no singular way to reach the end goal. Stop the religiosity. He mentioned several times methods his benefactor used that he did himself did not prefer. He scolded Carlos regularly for thinking too rigidly about anything.
You are the one inflicting your confusion here. Sure there are differences in the approach about dealing with the inorganic beings between DJ and Carlos; but, at the of the day, Carlos inherited the 4 iob’s from DJ’s line.
Each nagual has their own prerogative, their own character, yet they end up being a ‘blend’ of the previous naguals.
I appreciate your feedback.
You need a lot to lose. Best would be an IOB to scare the nonsense out of you.
To perch and point only to not see there is no branch of sit upon. You're not the authority over any thought but your own.
So much talk, so little content. Typical inventory warrior.
Again, you have no authority. I do appreciate the pushback and sparring so we can all move towards something higher and stronger, together.
Yes, and those are exactly such mental masturbation fantasies that need to got lost.
Good luck out there, journeyman.
You've got a warning to stick to the purpose of this subreddit. Take it seriously. Practically everyone who comes in here is tyrannized by their own brand of nonsense. But anyone who doesn't learn to get rid of this petty tyrant will be kicked out sooner or later.
A warning from who? You realize I can simply join again under another name, right? I didn't come here to argue. I came to learn and to share. You can't even see that your exercising the very thing you're criticizing: a self-aggrandized sense of authority.
To quote DJ: YOU'RE NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE THIS ANGRY. Let go of whatever it is that makes you think you've got any right over anyone's thoughts.
This Carlos stuff is the most important part of my life. My original point was TO VALIDATE IT when the OP asked about the potential sketchiness of star wars sounding too much like this. The reason star wars sounds like Carlos was because these practices are eternal and not held captive by anyone's mind- not Julian's, not DJ 's, not Carlos', and certainly not some random person on Reddit with ego issues.
End of discussion.
For sure, there are rules for that.
The jedi are based on us.
You can find that in an article in our wiki, which seems to have been erased from the net in most places. The hatred of Carlos is so universal, it seems to be coordinated.
That article from the writers saying they took Yoda from Castaneda, was even removed from the "Star Wars Origin" page on wikipedia, in favor of claiming some ludicrous "Rinpoche" con artist was Yoda.
The best theory is that when the lineage ended, Carlos imported all the wealth they had accumulated over 408 years (except perhaps one of those houses they had) and sold it off with the proceeds going to the apprentices of don Juan. We know for a fact, from Cholita, that he was importing art from Mexico. She couldn't wait to get her hands on it.
She restores art, and Carlos imported her at the same time.
The apprentices of don Juan moved to LA (most of them at least).
Soledad was one of those, and used money to influence movies.
Thus we probably have Soledad to thank for how accurately Star Wars represents our magic.
Cholita can even do the floating pear trick Anakin did for queen Amidala.
And naturally we do what Luke did in the last one, where he projected his double to fight Ren.
When I saw Ren and Ray connecting to each other via a tunnel, I learned to do that with Cholita.
Until she caught me red handed spying on her, and put a stop to it.
Later, I found her using that on me, to spy on my darkroom activities.
Basically if you see a cool thing in Star Wars, you can almost surely learn to do that yourself.
And you'll discover, after you do, that it was in the books all along and we didn't notice it.