I'm at an outdoor music festival with friends, had some mushrooms that were nothing special, when all of a sudden the voice of seeing tells me to "sit down".
I've had the voice of seeing before, it actually gave me a hot tip on a sports bet once. It's not a voice I hear, but a very peculiar bodily sensation that for some reason I interpret as words.
So fine, I go to sit, but we're standing on tarps that were put down to protect all the wires from the rain, and there's little bits of water all over it. If I set down there, all that water is going to pool towards me and give me a wet butt. I don't walk around all day with a wet butt, so I decide I'm going to go over to the bleachers and sit there.
I tell my friends I'm going to sit at the bleachers, but before I can go, BOOM, the world falls away. Everything I knew is suddenly gone, and I'm surrounded by thousands of luminous cocoons.
The very first thing that strikes me is how familiar this all feels. My very first thought is "I've seen like this before", but I immediately recognize that isn't quite accurate. I recognize that I SEE like this ALL THE TIME.
So there I am, surrounded by a sea of people, nothing but luminous cocoons everywhere. I don't see any assemblage point or any other features like the crack down the front, but seeing kind of works like looking through a microscope. WHen you zoom in on the small, the big stuff disappears. Seeing is somewhat like that, and I'm pretty sure that's why I didn't see the AP. It makes me understand the need to "see together"
Last thing I saw of the normal world, my friends and I were all standing in a tight circle shoulder to shoulder. Now the luminous cocoon extended about arm's length from the body in every direction, and we were all standing close together, but the cocoons didn't overlap, or press up against each other. Somehow, there was space for each of them to exist without interfering with each other, and that just melted my logical brain into pudding.
This is where things start to go bad. Everything I thought I knew about spatial relations becomes absolutely worthless in that moment. I lose my balance and down I go, spraining my ankle pretty badly. I don't even notice the ankle with all this going on around me, and I try to get up a few times, but the ankle won't support my weight. Still can't see anything recognizable, but I can hear just fine, and I hear some kid say "They don't even serve beer here!"
My friends are telling me to stay down, so I finally do what the voice of seeing told me to do to begin with, and sit down. On the wet tarp, getting my butt soaked in the process. Then things just kinda go back to normal, and I'm left sitting there like an idiot.
I didn't think not wanting a wet butt was egotistical, but apparently it was. Lesson learned.
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Man, this is not the place for trip reports. Here we practice real magic that takes an herculean amount of work to be done, it's not just "take shrooms" and then see something. Nothing against it, but please don't mix things up.
Been at this a very long time, and there's always been a decided lack of actual seers amongst my Peers in the Castaneda communities.
Take another look without judging me first.
I didn't judge you, just your post.
Now, you seem to imply you can see. So what do you do to achieve it? How's your practice like?
Did you bother to look around in here, before you decided to seek attention for your vast Castaneda knowledge?
No... Otherwise you'd be embarrassed now, instead of belligerent.
Also, you CANNOT learn to "see", until you get rid of self-pity.
I could explain the irrefutable technical details of that based on quotes and private lectures by Carlos himself, but they're repeated often in the posts of REAL magic, drug free, which you can find abundantly in this subreddit.
"Seeing" by it's very definition cannot be accomplished until self-pity is fully removed (at least, for short durations).
But self-pity is that in which you are clearly drowning!
You just got a drug induced "early Silent Knowledge" experience, similar to how the delusional Men of Knowledge summoned magic.
By using drugs.
That's not sorcery at all!
Did you read ALL of the books, or only the ones which appealed to your fantasies?
Note: I only tell people what they need to hear, to have the best chance of success to actually learn sorcery. So don't get mad, get real.
But everyone reading your post knows what your fate will be.
At least, they're 90% sure your head will explode and you'll storm out of here and go bad mouth the real thing to the people in your little Castaneda click.
We've see 3 per week like that, for the last 5 years.
What are you talking about? It doesn't require eliminating self pity. Clearly Carlos was still capable of feeling sorry for himself for the duration of his books.
All you need is to save up energy and intend it, which I had been doing for years.
I only mentioned the shrooms for full disclosure
In the earlier books. Not the later ones. And not during the workshop years, which is when the private students of Castaneda’s, who are in this subreddit, learned from him and the witches (Taisha Abelar and Florinda Donner).
You’re skipping over verifiable inner silence, which is the actual battle.
CC was never a paragon of perfection. There's hardly a character in the books who at some point doesn't end up pulling out their hair while screaming at him "WHY ARE YOU DO DUMB!??!" In the early books and the later ones.
Impeccability is not a cure-all magic bullet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/impeccability
But I don't think you've read through the workshop notes from the 1990's, or the interviews done during that decade either.
Carlos's self-pity had all but evaporated by then. His later books cover earlier events, with MANY additional (events) details and understandings, retold from an alternate perspective. His matured actions at workshops were very different in scope and outlook.
Back it up there boss, I never said ANYTHING about impeccability.
Back in those days, I hadn't begun to take impeccability seriously yet. Boy do I regret that. You can amass personal power easily enough, but that PP doesn't turn off or go away when you're not doing sorcery. It's always on, always there, and without impeccability, I was like a monkey with a loaded handgun!
Some lessons you have to learn the hard way.
Go away!
You're harmful to the Castaneda community.
And obviously haven't read all the books, nor paid attention to the last 5 publications Carlos created as "how to" manuals, giving us his advice for what we should do when he's gone.
You don't care.
Didn't pay attention to what was going on all these decades.
I've been floating around Carlos and watching for more than 50 years now.
And it's obvious that you aren't at all interested in learning sorcery.
You also only came here seeking attention, and didn't even bother to notice where you were before you posted.
There are three direct private class students of Carlos in here, helping. Even breaking the laws of physics with their magical skills.
And there's perhaps 3 dozen hard working people who can now "see" on a daily basis, drug free.
You just aren't going to work out in here. And we don't need any "sidekicks".
So save yourself from embarrassment later, when you realize what you've lost.
And just go find a pretend Castaneda discussion group to bother until you grow up.
But you might want to watch some cartoons, so that your understanding is slightly better on this topic of "seeing".
Here's one which shows PRECISELY how to "see". In terms of moving the assemblage point.
And what it's like.
The Allies you see in it, are the two allies of Carlos himself.
Left to one private class just before he died.
They'll visit you, if you follow instructions.
They also created this subreddit, when they realized everyone out there was endlessly pretending like you are, and that the lineages magic would soon be lost.
https://archive.org/details/second-attention-ap-1080p
I make one post and that's harmful to the community?
Look, I'm affording you folks the respect of fellow sorcerers, and that means there nothing I should be able to do that offends you.
Thanks for the laugh, little Danitos
Thankfully I was told you just got banned.
A clueless bad guy is what you are.
Part of this weeks, "Attack of 3s". Carlos warned us to look out for those.
Whenever we make progress towards "energetic mass", a special type of inorganic being that consumes our shiny outer coating, finds 3 random people they can manipulate to come attack here.
We've seen it DOZENS OF TIMES. And usually in 3s, just as Carlos predicted.
Basically they use the old "Jedi mind trick" to get people like you to come cause trouble here.
No one even realizes they were manipulated.
But now that we know about you, maybe you should just go find a fake sorcery discussion group. Where no one cares if you pretend, as long as you allow them to pretend.
Or you can try our "discord server" run by some of the women in here, who thought a more "open" place would be good to have also.
Cleargreen also has a discussion group, where they don't care what the hell you say as long as you remain a customer of theirs.
Myself, I'm here under blackmail by the Allies of Carlos, and don't appreciate aggressive pretenders like you accumulating over time and harming new people with your ugly make believe.
We've been at this for close to 5 years now, with a relentless flow of hecklers and attackers.
The same as happened to Carlos in the 1980s when he tried to teach for free in public parks, and learned you can't do that.
That's what created the workshops, where you had to pay, they had locked practice halls with armed guards, and hecklers couldn't afford to waste money on it, only to be thrown out quickly.
We're not quite as picky because in the long run, only 1 in 100 who comes here claiming to be interested in learning, will actually give up the pretending and get to work.
Carlos didn't have access to the internet, or he'd have done the same as we're doing.
And you haven't seen a "picky" sorcery helper, until you were in a few of Carlos classes and watched people getting tossed out continuously.
And an additional pragmatic lesson is that we can't take 🍄 throughout the day, every day, to get back to that a.p. position. And especially not to stabilize anything.
Psychoactives are the opposite of that. They "break open the head," per the title (as I recall) of a popular book on psychedelics. Then it's up to us to establish a new "continuity" through the practices, like Carlos did.
Remembering that he was very rigid in his thinking, and had extremely limited experience in the second attention, when he entered Don Juan's sphere.
I agree, however microdosing in cycles every now and then can be considered.
Microdosing is a much more recent practice, culturally, and the long-term effects (or implications) of that, are unknown. More specifically, what happens when you stop microdosing.
Really is a tossup whether you’d be better off doing that over a more extended period of time , or by taking a few heroic doses of the same psychedelic.
Well with microdosing, you don't feel anything, however changes come about inside you over time. I did microdosing which also included Lion's Mane in it for Nerve Growth Factor. There is also the risk of cardiotoxicity with prolonged intake of psilocybin, which is why microdose is done in cycles.
I personally haven't experienced any negative effects from stopping my microdosing. I think the effects are permanent if the procotolcs are done right and with Lion Mane's, but the effects aren't what people think or some big insight quest. I am classified as neurodivergent because of my natal neurochemistry, so obviously the microdosing affected me differently in a more positive way.
Roundwaters, this community here is the real deal, most likely you will regret your posts at a later stage in life. Most of us here have been “bad players” ourselves until we started taking the actual practices seriously / making these part of our existence. Members here are serious about sorcery, as sorcery is serious business. All I can recommend is; for a good three months, work on all the five main techniques, if possible daily. Soon you will discover that there is little room / need for power plants and you will also have a higher awareness regarding your very own, personal motives. Invest some effort into actually trying this path via inner silence; you will NOT regret it, even if in the end you possibly will not follow it.
Can you please name the five main techniques? I'm guessing they include inner silence, tensegrity, and recapitulation, though I'm not certain about the remaining two...
I dont really know what else to say other than to criticise you. Maybe im being unfair but this shit triggered me a little. I think you have the same problem I do which kills sorcery. You think the magic is something "you're" doing particularly and that you're cool for it.
You also think this place isn't as noteworthy as it actually is, or likely you wouldn't want to post this. My guess.
You're posting here like an equal, like someone who means the same as the other dedicated sorcerors here (which im not yet) when (not to say you're an inferior) you don't really talk or act like a sorceror. I can tell you're a little grandiose and touchy. It makes me want to poke your buttons.
What was your motivation for posting this?
The extremely familiar and grubby problem me and many other guys have is that we spend a lot of time trying to do sorcery, and we get small results like this, and not only want to waste energy low-key bragging and thinking about it, but fool ourselves into thinking that having such an experience makes us a SORCEROR or even signifies significant progress... how much would you lose your composure and come here to do this, if you actually did full blown undeniable magic??? Can you see how this doesn't mean much, when speaking about it from a humble cliff, humble bragging with somewhat sincere investment in the whole situation here, doing that more than sharing something that's strictly meant to further sorcery? I see your newer post is more "helpful", but it's almost like you posted it for street cred here.
I get it. We're human. Want to share cool experiences. Have our sense of self and accomplishment come out in our practice and our sharing. It's beautiful, it makes sense. It should be easier dealt with, had fun with. I've seen that as a problem with people a lot. We get peeved with each other too easily, like we're dealing with our own bad guy self talk, rather than being lighthearted and innocent!
Which is why It would be better if you just went full peacock mode. At least then we would see how much you actually care about this sorcery. And see how powerful and intelligent you are.
Instead, We just have a cool guy sharing a cool experience. That's not fun or useful. It's just more darts thrown in the dark. Who knows what you were aiming at? Furthering our sorcery? Feeling better about yourself? Competing? Trying to open dialogue about how other people see? Just sharing something you thought was cool?? What do you personally estimate this post may have accomplished?
I might as well share something myself in the spirit of this post.
Usually when I call what it seems to be when I "see" for very vague moments, it feels like "I" no longer exist in the same way I did just a moment previous. It feels like, instantaneously, a different "me" emerges right as it's seeing, like i didnt realize what i actually really wanted to do, until right as it happens freely. Not a me that thinks it knows or feels like anything I can consciously pull up about me, just a me that is already moving, here, sincere, awake, innocent, a part of all of it, i couldnt possibly control. Feels so good and my energy and direction sky rockets and I usually hold back at that point. As soon as it hits me I consciously (and this is a profound mistake) point out how its so magical how i can exist without sense or reason, how this consciousness or this awareness this being can just come out of nowhere!!!. The sight is always absolutely breathtaking. Everything I see I can not say isn't alive. I feel meanings with my eyes in reality that feel like adventure and like home and like it's just right! Now if I could just reliably act and look around and breathheeeee from there.... But my life as I usually conceptualize it makes utterly no sense, feels like its slipping away, and now my breath is caught. And I feel the familiar deadening and warping that makes everything look and feel mundane again. And I feel like my old tired self, thats spent years thinking about this. But my heart remembers. This all happens easiest when I'm just happy and doing whatever I really want, without interferrence (silence). Kind of beautiful how it keeps ending up.
But I'd for sure rather speak from there than speak about it......
See what I mean? That's another important point. The more we talk about it, treating descriptions of it like works of art, is all the less time we have to act and speak from our totality. The thing we're circling around trying to describe and understand the workings of. Which is why when speaking "from" silence and intent and with much energy, better stuff happens, and we don't care what anyone says about it. Matter of fact, given we don't go back to self pity, we're primarily just excited to see how everyone reacts. Not at all peeved or taking any of it personally. Or wasting energy propping ourselves up in others eyes. It's funner to let them see you however they do, and twist even that to your happy advantage.
Saving up energy and impeccability leads to inner silence, too.
Leads to it. But one still has to intend silence, directly.
To INSIST. Consciously.
Yeah...I once heard a voice say, "Don't go!" as I was getting ready to go out. I thought about it, then went, "Nah... nothing will happen." Needless to say, I ended the night drunk with a broken arm