This is so simple, it seems silly not to just tell people.
On the other hand, it's so advanced that no one can possibly understand it.
So that normally I'd worry beginners will try to skip to this, to get out of hard work. Hoping I suppose, to either lie to get attention and get away with it because the lie is about something supposedly so advanced no one can contradict them (the trick used in fake asian magical systems such as Buddhism), or maybe they'll twist something else they actually experienced once to make it seem like this, the way those who are damaged by using too many drugs tend to do.
They can "see" all sorts of stuff, because their assemblage point positions were abused by drugs. They have assemblage point PTSD.
APPTSD?
It's a condition where they see all sorts of odd things, which we used to call "flashbacks", but then they contort it to pretend it's success on the path of sorcery.
Because let's face it. They're looser drug users. And need something in their life to make them feel special.
I'm not talking about people who experiment out of curiosity.
I'm talking about men such as some in Brazilian "Nagual" cults who spent the last 20 years using drugs to pretend to be doing sorcery. Shelling out money to some evil con artist who flatters them up to keep them coming back.
Those are the type with APPTSD. Who now have erratic shifts of the assemblage point sideways, even up at the blue line on the J curve.
Afterall, it's what they were pursuing for decades. To use drugs, to transform their blue line reality. They have no interest in escaping it. That's where their attention seeking lies. In the river of shit of the blue line reality.
So they've been going to con artist Ayahuasca ceremonies with supposed "shamans", and pretending it's all very uplifting and enlightening.
But it's just drugs...
Oddly, if you practice the real thing at relatively advanced levels you can end up in the same boat.
Dazzled by actual immersive experiences.
If you consider it, what's the ultimate drug trip?
It's a FULLY immersive one. Not just some rainbow trails on your hand, when you wave it in the air.
What's the most motivation for all of us, is a mini-vacation from reality. Like that ChatGPT simulated trip to Toontown from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", in the picture of this post.
Now that's a cool mushroom trip! I didn't request it, but even the AI knew there had to be shrooms involved with that sort of craziness.
Unfortunately too much of that damages the movement of the assemblage point by burning memories in horizontally shifted positions, which can return to produce hypnagogia if you try to practice sorcery. Obscuring the view of your energy body returning to you, and making it impossible to move your assemblage point to the other side where "seeing" is possible.
Remember, recapitulation exists to recover your awareness which has become trapped in past events. Fine strands of your awareness glowing in some small aspect of the dark sea of awareness such as the swing set you played on at 5 years old.
Constantly pulling a bit of your awareness back to that event, and to the only reality where it makes sense.
We make those scenes visible during recap and recover our energy.
But the same happens in reverse with drug trips. Your awareness gets focused on bizarre sights in the quagmire of the second attention, and from then on you have a tiny bit of yourself stuck there.
Julian fell victim to something similar when he spent too much time goofing off with shapeshifting.
He made it difficult for his awareness to quickly pass that region on the J curve. So he couldn't move his assemblage point fast enough to reach the third attention.
It's not, on the surface, the same thing.
But in fact, it's all about how real alternate realities can become, and how in doing so they trap awareness.
That's how we got into this mess in the first place. Being trapped in this single view of reality.
We aren't looking to modify that, and merely improve our prison.
We're after something VERY PRECISE. It's a path to a very distant place.
Not a show biz racket.
You can relate this to what I call the snobiness of the New Seers.
I'm not criticizing their goals. But rather, their assumption that everyone has abundant magic available to them and can afford to be choosy.
We don't!
It seems like a crime to turn your nose up at any real magic.
To disdain the Allies?
Suicide for us!
You need to use ANYTHING you can, to move your assemblage point as far as you can.
Which is not a bad thing. The new seers do that in spades!
They even manipulate sexual urges and worries, to train apprentices.
So they'll convince Taisha she's going to be raped by her new sorcery teacher don Juan, in order to get her frightened enough for an Ally to come attack her in her bed.
Honestly, is that not as bad as what the old seers did, getting themselves trapped by all the alternate realities they could explore and control?
Actually, it's two different "bad things".
What the new seers did by using anything available, even anti-social stuff, is because of how hard you have to struggle to get your assemblage point moving.
Because you aren't going ANYWHERE, until it does.
But their disdain for the old seers doings is about WHERE you go, once you are moving.
Do you drive down the road 100 miles, discover the bar zone part of a small town in the middle of nowhere, and take up residence there so that you can party each night?
You can literally do such a thing, but in magical realms.
It happens once you can reach silent knowledge, or "seeing".
The old seers became obsessed with what they "saw", and how much control they had over it.
So that they ceased to be "travelers", and became gluttons for weird drug trips.
Minus the drugs, which is good.
But in visiting other real worlds they could repeat, they began to store more and more of their awareness into them.
Becoming "trapped" in what is merely a slightly more flexible version of reality.
You have to see this with your own eyes to understand why the new seers want people to avoid that.
Tieing up awareness in alternate realities.
The old seers were obsessed with exploring. They actually mapped out 600 "cyclic being" worlds, which simply means, they discovered that there are 600 STABLE positions of the assemblage point, where you have a life running concurrently with this one.
It's mind boggling to someone trapped in the blue zone. How can you ignore all this lovely physical matter, and just ditch reality to live in a different one?
What happens to your flesh body if you leave for years?
It's a good question, but it's based on a misunderstanding of what reality is.
Reality is a flow of sensations from the dark sea of awareness, in response to where your attention is focused.
This one seems so immutable, so very real that it can never be ignored, simply because we got ourselves trapped here.
Our awareness got stuck in physical bodies.
The matter will always exist at this level of reality. At this assemblage point position, where all the elements to create a specific time, location in space, and even very specific physical matter involved in the interactions in this time and place, will continue to exist forever.
Subject to transformations (decay) from the flow of time here.
But that's not your awareness.
That's the information flowing back to you, when you focus your awareness on a specific bundle of the emanations.
If you want to return here and resume your current situation, after traveling into another reality for a while, you certainly want your physical matter to be in a good state.
But that has nothing to do with whether the physical matter is "you".
It's more like, if you return to your favorite hotel on the road to a distant location which takes more than a day to get to, you'd like to find that your favorite diner across the street from it is still in business.
But you aren't merely a hotel guest who dines at a specific restaurant.
That's just one thing you do, out of millions of others.
The new seers were more concerned with traveling down that road as far as possible, and not getting attached to the sights along the way.
It was the accumulated wisdom of 8000 years of travelers.
Not unlike "All You Can Eat Buffet" wisdom.
Don't get greedy in the salad section they make you walk through first. The meat is at the far end of the line of selections!
And if you reach the meat and there's any room on your plate, they lure you with the "mini-cake" section which comes next, so that if you can only fit a little of the expensive stuff on your plate, you go over to the desert section and get a mini-plate instead. Now your hands are full and you can't get more meat.
You have cake instead. A very cheap food to make.
The new seers have the wisdom seers accumulated over thousands of years, and so much magic available to them that they could afford to be snobby and ignore "unnecessary" magic.
I have no idea what happens if you keep going down their road, but it's pretty darned cool once you can sustain Silent Knowledge.
Even though you're still trying to hold on to those "videos in the air", and especially even enter them for a visit.
I just got back from one which made perfect sense at the time.
It was magic supreme, but within its own context.
This picture is the best I could get ChatGPT to draw it. The ventilation tunnel.
That reality involved a dispute I was having with someone who discovered their own variety of sorcery "path".
Which they implied eclipses "darkroom". Works faster, and is more reliable.
Somehow I was expected to be bothered by that. As if the goal of all of us in this subreddit, trying to help others, was actually about fame.
So that if anyone had a better way to learn which obsoleted what we do in the subreddit, we'd object to it.
The same thing that our social structure uses to trap us in this reality, that we ought to "care" about what they tell us to care about, was happening in that new reality.
But the specifics aren't important. The main thing was that I was awake, not asleep.
I'd waved my hand to lift up my energy body and make the blue puffs swarm all around me, and I'd ended up in such a "complete" reality that I could stay there for what must have been 20 minutes.
Which is enough time to acclimate to a new reality, until it seems perfectly normal.
But I was stuck in it. With someone insisting I'm supposed to feel bad about it. About "better" magic.
My awareness was being tied up in the details of that reality, and how I was expected to feel about it.
Meanwhile I noticed I was being chased by dried up rose petals.
Individual ones, but I couldn't convince the AI to draw that for me. Once you say "flower petals", it gets "overfitted".
That's what they call it in the AI community but "obsessed" is more like it.
I escaped my obsession with rose petal politics, returned to sitting up on pillows on my bed, and realized I'd gotten just as trapped in that world as I was in this one.
And I got a lecture from Silent Knowledge about being trapped.
The old seers got trapped like that, at far more advanced stages of alternate reality exploration.
They weren't travelers the way the new seers are, because they were too early in the evolution of our sorcery to know any good destinations.
So they stopped to explore every small city along the road, looking for entertaining things to do.
And in so doing they learned the "doings" of many places, and developed "concerns" in each.
They slowly trapped more and more of their awareness in random realities they could return to.
And THAT'S what the new seers are warning against.
We get the lesson on this topic from the very start.
When we see some amazing beginner's magic, which we call "intent gifts" in here.
But we can't repeat it.
We're forced to live without it the next day, and we just have to move on down the road to see what comes next.
Carlos was taught in the same manner, as a series of little "magic shows" don Juan put on for him.
None of which he could do on his own.
And none of which they repeated for him except for those triggered by power plants.
Our road has been etched in the emanations themselves.
And the command is to keep moving on. Not to stop too long in any location.
Towards what, we can't possibly know.
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FROM STALKING WITH THE DOUBLE
" Nelida stressed that to liberate the energy body, and to tap the spirit was the goal of modern sorcerers.
“Why is that their goal?”
“Because only freedom can bring joy and ease into our lives,” she said, “Only pure,humble acts can attract power that is needed to cut through the apes’ judgments and doings.”
Nelida added that just as people don’t know how to live without the self, the ancient sorcerers didn’t know how to live without power. “Modern sorcerers have a different orientation,” she said.
“How are they bound?”
“They are not interested in controlling people; modern sorcerers are bound to the spirit.” "
Should look good on facebook too, so I copied it over.
I kind of like Nelida... She seems to have concluded some of the very same things I have to doubt myself. Because I never read them in the books.
It's good to get verification.
Which book is that conversation from?
From Taishas second book "Stalking with the Double". You can find it on wiki.
I’ll check it out. Thank you
I am someone who has used and abused every kind of drug in my past. Truly I have used "too many drugs". I suppose I am a loser, as much as anyone is. Is it hopeless then? Tell me true, daniel blue.
I don't think you've been pretending success in sorcery, have you?
"But it's just drugs..."
You're definitely as fine as fine can be.
He's notorious on discord.
So not as "fine as fine can be".
Oh, well I am just hovering in the green zone right now, so maybe I find everyone wonderful to be with. Nice change :)
Honestly, it’s one of the reasons I left the discord after hanging out for a long while. Too much of a reminder of my own bad habits and how judgemental I’d get. It’s just as you say about it, pretty much a grease trap for bad players, for them to blow off steam. Not that there isn’t valuable information here and there, but it’s relatively sparse.
You're saying I was the reason? You never said a thing to me about that.
As far as I’m concerned, you weren’t directly a problem, but there are others that I couldn’t stand.
If anything, the server as a whole was a reminder for me to get my personal affairs in order instead of using it as a place to vent and pretend that I knew any better.
Yes indeed I can totally see that point of view. The discord to me is less serious, and more loosey goosey than here. If the subreddit is the private (or public) class, then the discord is the small group smoking and talking outside before or after the class. Hence it's a little more casual, a little more playful. But that's just me. I'm not saying that the discord has to be that way. It's just based on my experience in other discord servers. I can definitely see the downside of that too.
Probably.
But prove me wrong.
Apparently you're a big trouble maker on discord.
Some of the mods who help over there are discussing giving up on the place.
The women created it to be less policed than here, and thus a bit more "friendly".
But are possibly learning that can't work out.
Carlos had to give up on teaching in public for free. He started that way, back in the 1980s.
But had to switch to paid workshops to make sure deadbeat crazy men and drug users couldn't afford to show up, and to pay for armed guards and conference halls with locked doors.
For the very same reason.
Drug using hecklers and mentally ill men would show up and it was impossible for him to keep people serious about learning.
Sorcery can't be learned without being deadly serious.
I stay out of discord.
But I saw a screenshot.
Seems as if you're even hoping to be banned?
To get even more attention for yourself.
An attention seeker who doesn't want to learn at all!
That's been pretty much the experience in here with those who used drugs often to try to fake up sorcery results.
We have a few who just experimented and have done well, but they don't bring it up often.
Really...
Can't you just get lost?
Go plague the pretend magic subreddit.
You're part of the reason every single magical system left on earth has fake magic.
Angry attention seekers.
Of course, the other part is that those magical systems are only after money.
So they tolerate angry attention seekers.
We can't afford to.
I didn't mean to use any social bullying tactics, but if I did anyway then I apologize. Besides that I don't really know what to say at the moment. I'm taken aback.
That's a good sign.
My theory on why drug users never seem to succeed, is that it causes "flashbacks" to come when you try to do darkroom.
So you're seeing what looks to be "magic", and I suppose is, but it's horizontally shifted stuff.
Like a delirious fever vision.
We all saw those as kids, but they didn't turn us into sorcerers.
And we all occasionally end up half awake after a long dream, and see amazing stuff.
But that doesn't turn you into a sorcerer.
Buddhists probably do in fact get into very nice visionary states, which are pale in comparison to silent knowledge, but seem miraculous to someone who only experiences ordinary consciousness.
But they NEVER move on from beginner's levels, because they keep going more and more sideways at the same green line on the J curve.
Into "heavenly" realms.
They do the same thing drugs do. Move horizontally at the earliest depth they can manage, that has cool magic going on.
But sorcery is very specific.
It's like there's a tiny tunnel in a huge mountain range, and the only way to pass through the mountains to the other side is through that tunnel.
Drugs make it seem like there's lots of holes, but none of them can possibly get you to the other side.
I have a guy on Facebook right now who was part of a Brazilian castaneda group for 20 years, all of them using drugs to pretend to be learning.
He's so damaged that when he tries even a little "darkroom", he sees all sorts of stuff.
Useless stuff.
Because none of itt leads to that hole in the mountain.
The question for him is, does he want human attention for being able to see stuff, without the drugs?
I suppose that's some kind of achievement.
But it doesn't get you to the other side of the mountain.
Where you get to break the laws of physics, and travel into your "visions" for real.
In your physical body.
600 of those possible "visions" (out of millions) are equally as real as this reality.
The old seers mapped them out.
I've only seen one of those but was able to stay in it for 3 hours, never losing my awareness of where I came from.
But then the old seers, when they got too old to keep doing that sort of thing, had to pick the inorganic being's world to go live in, or else die.
The new seers decided that wasn't any better than just dying, since it was only good for a few million years anyway (maybe a lot less), and they seek to be aware of ALL of the worlds we can, AT THE SAME TIME.
The J curve teaches you how to do that. You just need to be able to move from the blue line, to the purple region, in under 2 seconds.
And trust me, you'll notice it if you only move from blue to red, in 2 seconds.
It's intense!
So we can get "3rd attention" previews once in a while.
But Carlos went another way. The third attention only lasts until our sun goes red giant and burns up the earth.
Carlos seems to have discovered some way to move his awareness outside the emanations.
At least, that's what I was told by Fancy, my "evil" ally.
Who isn't around anymore.
Cholita took her away, saying I was overusing the Allies.
Haven't seen a single once since she told me she was doing that.
I have noticed in recapitulation that memories from times when I was high or using a lot in general are to some degree inaccessible to recall, which jives with what you were saying about AP PTSD, and that has made me doubt if I can ever do a complete recap. I do feel that if I have even a tiny chance at all of success on this path that it hinges on me remaining completely sober, And I have not used any drug whatsoever in many years.
I was pondering this in Silent Knowledge this morning, and concluded (for reasons which are no longer fully visible to me), that people with APPTSD should in fact focus primarily on Recapitulation.
Let's say I'm right, and you can't follow the path of "darkroom" because your assemblage point keeps sliding too far sideways, and you can never escape having it on your back.
To learn sorcery, it has to switch sides on the body. Something no one in any other magical system or religion has ever done.
Meaning, it's damned hard to move it to the other side!
Keep in mind, recapitulation is every bit as magical as the pictures you see for what darkroom can do.
It's just not widely known, because no one seriously does it.
Everyone ignores what it did in the books, and just puts in a crappy effort so they can claim they're working hard, when they aren't.
In fact, it became the justification for the ineptness of Cleargreen. "Saint Reni" is what they created, after killing Carlos by turning him into a Guru.
They say Reni is "empty" due to so much recapitulation.
Which is utter nonsense. Recap produces ASTONISHING magic. If she'd seen any of that, she'd be climbing trees and singing out at the top of her lungs, to restore the reputation of Carlos.
So you have to do it right, which means, figure out how to remove your internal dialogue completely, even while remembering past events using images in the mind.
And do sessions long enough for your assemblage point to move at least to the red zone, so you get the reward of super cool magical sights.
But why would it be good for someone with APPTSD?
Because you're "micro moving" your assemblage point to every place it's ever been in your life.
Most of those were "centered" in man's band.
So you make it much easier to move back to the middle, which is precisely the problem people who used too many power plants have.
It strays too far to the side, and gets stuck.
But this problem isn't unique to shroom eaters.
Buddhist "masters" are hopelessly stuck in the beginners levels of magic, up in the green zone.
They just keep masturbating over the same green line effects, each time they meditate, and that coupled with being told they are now superior, traps them hopelessly.
It's very much the same as what shrooms do, since those come with the claim that they're a path to shamanism knowledge, which makes you superior.
I recommend you become our first to actually reach silent knowledge using Recapitulation.
Where you can zip into all memories of the past, and look around again.
Once you can do that, you can try fun things like floating up 50 feet into the air, to look around in the original city where you were born.
Seek out more memories you couldn't possibly have recalled and written onto your list.
Such as, little piles of ladybugs hidden in weeds out behind an old grocery store your mother liked.
Random sights that aren't "important" enough to recall, but which trap your awareness almost more than normal events.
:) Aumua has been focusing on recapitulation only :) I love it :)
I have noted more than once that I seem to have an affinity to the practice of recapitulation, so that tracks with what you're saying. I appreciate your measured and considered response, and I'll take your suggestion.
Remember that you can, eventually, get good enough with recap to explore the ACTUAL life memories of others, multi-sensorially even....and likely even animals or non-human entities in other realities or planets!
That's because it leads to silent knowledge, with an "intended" presentation method. Remembering the past, perhaps as videos in the air.
Silent Knowledge sort of "frames" itself, based on your selected presentation method. By "frame" I mean, it restructures in amazing ways which don't seem as simple as the choice (just for an example) of either broadcasting on your TV, or on your radio. Depending on which you wanted.
SK presentation methods run far deeper than that! They're "basic reality templates" and there are too many to count.
But it's impossible to explain in this reality.
I "restructured" SK last night and saw the rotating "Whorl". The one that looks a bit like the yin/yang, so I hate to see that because it encourages ugly asian magic pretending.
But there it was, clear as anything. I had "restructured" SK to be what Carlos described to me in private classes. The "whorl" was even right where he showed me it ought to be. But spinning in the wrong direction.
Tensegrity does the same as recap. It selects the presentation method for silent knowledge.
(Seeing).
It's just a different presentation method being selected. With puffs, and faces, and dream bubbles.
It's "The energy body presentation method".
Because it lures your double out into the real world to play with you and be right next to you.
While recap does not. You'll switch over to your energy body and teleport somewhere else in your home, or travel into the past in your energy body.
So recap is also just as cool as darkroom. It just doesn't bring the double out into the waking world. He stays in his dream realms.
And who knows which copy of 20,000 versions of your home he'll be in.
You'll teleport in your home, right out of your recapitulation chair.
But it'll be a slightly "wrong" copy of your home.
Fortunately, those alternate versions of your reality are all horizontally shifted, and recap helps you find the center by going over all the positions of the assemblage point you ever had. So that hopefully you end up knowing what the center of "Man's band" feels like.
Carlos was always after "energetic mass".
But what does that really mean?
Are we gaining energetic mass by figuring out how to explain things better?
Those explanations are suitable for our time and place, but might have been total self-pity filled nonsense for sorcerers in the time of the Toltecs.
And there's no contradiction there. A "good explanation" doesn't actually cover any important aspect of reality!
Only the one you're stuck in yourself.
So as a more concrete example, let's say you're trapped in a room.
The explanation for how to escape might be: "See the red door? Go open that and leave. But DON'T touch the green one."
If you're trapped in the room and there's no green or red door, only blue and white, then that explanation is useless.
Carlos gave us explanations, but they were more suitable for how he'd learned, in the lineages.
Just like me, he made the initial mistake of trying to restore his lineage, through Tony Karim. The only double male he found.
I tried using a double woman, and also found I couldn't get her interested. The lineages used trickery to do that, and a whole team of 15 sorcerers. Both Carlos and I made the mistake of believing anyone would eagerly want to join a real magic group.
But they don't. The "eager" ones are the bad player men (or women looking for a spiritual man) who are actually trying to figure out how to profit from it. Not learn it.
We didn't get workshop instruction from Carlos until it was clear that his effort to create a new lineage had failed.
He tried to incorporate Tony into that new workshop model, but Tony was on a huge ego trip and wanted endorsements from that awful con artist the Dali Lama. AKA "Big Bird Hat Man".
Cholita used to sleep in the same bed as Margarette (and never explained to me why). Margarette would cuddle her and say, "Tony!! Ohhhh... Tony..."
You definitely didn't want to be any part of the "inner circle" back then.
Anyone who thinks this subreddit is a hostile environment, should read Amy's book.
It's there for a reason. Carlos made her write it.
And, using workshop notes, you can even pinpoint the exact time period that they were trying to recruit Tony.
In 1993 they started giving a series of lectures at Casa de Mexico, trying to hook Tony who was likely in residence there. And a 1994 they had very few open public lectures elsewhere, two in very early 1994 and then one in September and one in December.
And there was only one published direct interview with Castaneda, in March 1994. One with Donner, Abelar and Tiggs published in April 1994. And a phone interview with Donner and Abelar in June 1994.
So in those mid-1994 months is when they were getting ready to first present Magical Passes starting in February 1995 in Santa Monica; since the next published interview with Carlos was is in the Spanish magazine Mas Alla de la Ciencia in January 1995.
What's the earliest date Carlos "noticed" that Tony was a double being?
I had thought they were messing around in the 80s.
Then of course there's the story about don Juan having been the one who found Tony, and likely back in the 70s perhaps judging by the age Tony was said to be in that story.
Does that line up with Don Juan already teaching Carlos, and then noticing Tony Lama as a child?
A Nagual teacher of a new apprentice, would surely notice another double being who was just the right age to be available when his own apprentice had to continue the lineage on his own.
I believe one of the naguals in our lineage also found the next one, for his own nagual apprentice.
It's the Jedi way in fact! Noticing a potential Padawan for your own Padawan.
It would be too good to pass by!
I even do that with what look to be children capable of becoming parallel computing hardware engineers of my type, which are so rare that my art is dying.
With don Juan "marking" Tony for Carlos.
Do we have a timeline on that?
Might be interesting to make a post about it.
Seeing as how Tony goes around spreading that information himself, to get more attention.
"The man who shunned incredible fame to become an enlightened Buddhist leader!"
That's likely how Tony pictured himself.
Except that we came along...
The story of Tony Lama is a bit fishy as we understand it now. Don Juan striking him as a kid seems suspicious to me. But that's what Tony claims.
If it aligns well with don Juan teaching Carlos, and noticing Tony walking around Mexico city, it could make more sense.
It shows that Carlos had no idea how to proceed, and his first thought was to just find the next Nagual as if nothing irreversible had happened to the lineage. And it could be continued.
In some ways, that's damage from "The Rule" in Eagle's Gift, where on reading that, one gets the impression that's how sorcery was always taught.
When in fact, the origins are individuals learning. Not lineages.
We've been forced back to the individuals model.
But I tried the lineages model myself. Just found it as impossible to get random people to be interested, as we have discovered in here.
Even if we wanted to, we couldn't pick a new person to this subreddit and decide we were going to make sure they succeeded.
Which, for beginners, is why anyone who wants to charge you money for sorcery lessons is a total fraud.
It can't be taught to specific individuals like that!
So that's a person taking money who either doesn't know anything, or is so dishonest they don't care that 99% of their "students" will fail.
No real sorcerer would cheat 99 out of 100 people, just to get money.
https://www.casatibet.org.mx/lama-tony-karam/
(translated)
"Tony was the main organizer of His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama’s first visit to Latin America ( Mexico and Costa Rica 1989 )" ; so he must have been an adult then, one would assume. additional source
Doing a ""Tony Karam" age buddhism" Google search brings up one of our posts as the second result!!!
https://preview.redd.it/tfrz0n5pi2uc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6076a12049704a30ba42a5c3c1ee4fdd6d51bf3c
But based on the recent images in his Instagram I'm guessing he can't be more than 65 to 70 or so years old (at the most), which would mean he couldn't have been much older than 15 years old in the early 1970's for don Juan to have encountered him in Mexico.
Looks like Tony studied abroad at schools in England after he turned 18, but he still would have been in Mexico before then.
So Don Juan's intervention may have maneuvered Tony into an eventual situation where he would encounter Carlos, and then have a chance to have a chance at recruiting him.
So it's "Karam" and not "Karim".
"MARCO ANTONIO KARAM"
From the Campaign for Tibetan newsletter link.
His behavior fits with being a double male. It's next to impossible to enlist them because they get things done, and rise to the top of little social organizations.
Or businesses.
It's the extra energy.
People can feel it.
It probably also causes them to get more green line effects if they practice meditation.
So he'd be convinced he's talented at Buddhism.
But would have been close to unable to make Castaneda's techniques work, since those require removing your internal dialogue which most people are simply unwilling to do. Buddhists included.
Especially if they feel special, and successful.
Which gets back to how sorcery has always been taught.
Either to very small children, given as slaves to an adult seer.
Or in lineages, where there are 15 powerful sorcerers who will do all they can, to trick new apprentices into hanging around.
And can push their assemblage point all over the place with no trouble at all.
Initially using the double male leader to push their assemblage point just enough for them to perceive the other members in their doubles.
Which have next to infinite power.
Cholita has been practicing tensegrity hours a day lately!
I'm not sure what's going on with her, but I sure wish we could test out who can see her double, and who can't.
We still don't know if your average guy on the street would have seen don Genaro when he was walking around with Carlos.
My guess is, Carlos told us in the storyline but we didn't notice it yet.
An AI could answer that for us, if fully trained on the topic.
Maybe there's a story where Carlos is with don Genaro, and it's obvious someone else didn't see him. But Carlos was himself clueless that there was no flesh being there.
I was once standing in the doorway of my home where I could lean back and see Cholita chopping stuff on a cutting board in the kitchen, or lean out of the house see her knocking on the door of a neighbor's home.
I wish I'd waited to see if the neighbor answered and talked to her, but my "don't spy on Cholita" rule got the best of me.
She forbid me.
Plus I was afraid to see what she could possibly be up to with the neighbor.
Actually Carlos' first book was 1965, so don Juan would already have Carlos as an apprentice, and could easily have encountered Tony at 10 years old.
Which more agrees with the account Tony gave of the meeting.
It adds up!
However, we know that Carlos freely made up "histories" for people he brought into the inner circle, and that it's a typical thing to do in a sorcery lineage.
Carlos tried to duplicate all details of what his own lineage behaved like.
So while "making up stuff" such as Tony meeting don Juan sounds horrible, it's actually normal business in sorcery.
And as long as it actually works (which it does), no one who is serious could care about that.
In fact, in SK you start to wonder why you can't actually re-write your own history, and have it be "true" after that.
It's just an alteration in the flow of reality from the bundle of emanations everyone is perceiving.
In one of the women's books I read, in this subreddit, that it was said that (Juan Tuma?) was capable of changing any aspect of reality.
But that he'd always remember what it would have been, had he not changed it.
I'd love to see that quote again, but my searches didn't pull up anything.
Could be I just don't wait long enough for the combined pdf to fully load.
I tried it just now, taking 3 words I could see on the page I was looking at, searching for them, only to find nothing.
So the search is very flakey in whatever my windows uses to open it.
In this documentary Toni Karim is speaking about all this, so we have the info you search if he is telling the truth.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q949uPrPgc4&feature=youtu.be
He says that when he was seven his father that was an engineer had a constitution project in Tula. This is when Don Juan found him and marked him. He says that on the 46:22 time.
In 2:27 time he starts speaking about when he met Carlos for the first time.
It was when Carlos went to Mexico to present for the first time his new book "The eagle's gift" in the 80s and Tony went to see him.
From The Eagle's Gift:
"Genaro had mastered only the intent of the dreaming body" she said in a soft voice. "Silvio Manuel, on the other hand, was the ultimate master of intent, I know now that the reason we can't remember his face is because he was not like everybody else."
"What makes you say that, Gorda?" I asked.
She started to explain what she meant, but she was incapable of speaking coherently. Suddenly she smiled. Her eyes lit up.
"I've got it!" she exclaimed. "The Nagual told me that Silvio Manuel was the master of intent because he was permanently in his other self. He was the real chief. He was behind everything the Nagual did. In fact, he's the one who made the Nagual take care of you...."
..."What did he tell you?" I asked.
"He said that while Silvio Manuel was on this earth he was like Eligio. He disappeared once without leaving a trace and went into the other world. He was gone for years. Then one day he returned. The Nagual said that Silvio Manuel did not remember where he'd been or what he'd done, but his body had been changed. He had come back to the world, but he had come back in his other self."
"What else did he say, Gorda?" I asked.
"I can't remember any more," she replied. "It is as if I were looking through a fog..."
..."When did don Juan tell you that?" I asked.
"I can't remember when," she said. "But he told me that people, and all other living creatures for that matter, are the slaves of intent. We are in it's clutches. It makes us do whatever it wants. It makes us act in the world. It even makes us die.
"He said that when we become warriors, though, intent becomes our friend. It lets us be free for a moment. At times it even comes to us as if it had been waiting around for us. He told me that he himself was only a friend of intent—unlike Silvio Manuel, who was the master of it..."
..."The Nagual showed all of us what he could do with his intent," she said abruptly. "He could make things appear by calling intent.
"He told me that if I wanted to fly, I had to summon the intent of flying. He showed me then how he himself could summon it, and jumped in the air and soared in a circle, like a huge kite. Or he would make things appear in his hand. He said that he knew the intent of many things and could call those things by intending them. The difference between him and Silvio Manuel was that Silvio Manuel, by being the master of intent, knew the intent of everything."
I told her that her explanation needed more explaining. She seemed to struggle arranging words in her mind.
"I learned the intent of flying," she said, "by repeating all the feelings I had while flying in dreaming. This was only one thing. The Nagual had learned in his life the intent of hundreds of things.
"But Silvio Manuel went to the source itself. He tapped it. He didn't have to learn the intent of anything. He was one with intent. The problem was that he had no more desires because intent has no desire of it's own, so he had to rely on the Nagual for volition. In other words, Silvio Manuel could do anything the Nagual wanted. The Nagual directed Silvio Manuel's intent. But since the Nagual had no desires either, most of the time they didn't do anything."
I'd use Foxit ODF Reader on windows for searching of larger PDF's. It seem to work better and in a more stable manner than Adobe's Reader.
Eventually the ePub will solve any issue for people having problems. And the website, when finished, will make things easier yet.
It's a nice quote, but it's not the one I saw which had me puzzled.
That one seemed to imply that one of the male sorcerers could actually change reality for EVERYONE. Not just for other seers.
I can make objects manifest in my hands too (occasionally).
And Cholita can perceive them. Even less occasionally...
But that doesn't equate to being able to change any aspect of reality.
Those are second attention objects, and only stick around as long as someone has their attention focused on them.
So you could perhaps manifest a treasure chest in a hole you dug while other sorcerers watched.
But trying to sell the gold would be a problem.
I got the impression, there was someone in the party who could make real gold appear, and stay.
From The Eagle's Gift:
"We were in Silvio Manuel's house," she said. "I can now remember a lot about that house. Someone told me, I don't know who, that Silvio Manuel found that house and bought it because it was built on a power spot.
"But someone else said that Silvio Manuel found the house, liked it, bought it, and then brought the power spot to it. I personally feel that Silvio Manuel brought the power. I feel that his impeccability held the power spot on that house for as long as he and his companions lived there.
"When it was time for them to move away, the power of that spot vanished with them, and the house became what it had been before Silvio Manuel found it, an ordinary house."
From The Fire From Within:
"Genaro is the master of awareness," don Juan went on. "Silvio Manuel is the master of will. The two of them were mercilessly pushed into the unknown. My benefactor did to them what his benefactor did to him. Genaro and Silvio Manuel are very much like the old seers in some respects. They know what they can do, but they don't care to know how they do it. Today, Genaro seized the opportunity to push your glow of awareness and we all ended up in the weird confines of the unknown...."
"...Silvio Manuel," don Juan said to me. "He's the most powerful and dangerous sorcerer of my party, and the most mysterious too."
\~\~\~\~\~
I went through all the "Silvio Manuel" passages and no dice. So, if it wasn't Silvio who was the one referenced in the passage you're recalling, I doubt it was any one of the other's in don Juan's group. Permanently changing reality doesn't sound like a chump-task.
And Juan Tuma, Vicente's courier and research assistant, is only mentioned in Part Three of The Eagle's Gift.
I did do an "aspect of reality" and "alter reality" search in everything, and got nada.
One of the women found it and put it into a comment, and I was too stupid (or not greedy enough) to save it.
Pity.
It was associated with that book where there's people digging up something in the desert at night, using portable lamps to see it.
I'll get the picture if I can find it...
Nope. Couldn't find it.
That's the cover of The Witch's Dream by Florinda Donner.
But without accurate keywords it will be a bear of a search.
And there's "Little Smoke" on the cover in moth form!
Carlos was introduced to her in moth form. She swooped him at the campfire.
We were introduced to her when she swooped us form the water cooler at Dance Home.
She's now known as "Fairy"!
Who created this subreddit.
And still does moths, if you're lucky.
5 or so years ago she flew into my back at my shoulder blade, pushing me so far into the second attention that the world "stopped".
For the first time for me, if you use Carlos' "orgasmic" version of that phenomena.
I got to see the emantions in raw form and even check out what "bundling" does to them.
However, since then La Gorda's claim that just seeing a puff during darkroom qualifies as "stopping the world" showed up in the book quotes which flowed through this subreddit.
La Gorda's explanations always seemed to contradict those of Carlos, but then that's the job of women...
Cholita does that to me all the time.
Last night she was doing tensegrity for hours, and I needed to get an extension cord from my car.
So I had to sneak past her in the living room to go outside.
Her conversation:
"Are you doing magic now?"
Me: "What????"
"Magic! Are you doing magic now."
Me: "You mean, right now? No."
"Then are you leaving?"
Me: "No, I just need something from the car."
She started doing "life saver pass", and I was very pleased to see she does it correctly, the same as Jadey.
Whereas on the web in youtube videos, even those of Reni and Nyei (?!!!), they're doing the "warmup movement" used in many asian morning exercise programs.
Which Carlos was accused of stealing from Howard Lee.
Who has no magic at all and is just a crummy Choi Lai Fut practitioner with a Daoism longevity obsession.
It's sad that people completely misunderstood Carlos dedicating a book to Howard, which he did as a "blank check" to give him more customers.
Carlos gave me at least two "blank checks", and maybe 3.
It was common for him to do that.
But the blank check he gave Howard turned him into an ugly cult, which he eagerly went for.
Including having sex with groupies and getting one pregnant, before picking the youngest he could get away with to marry.
I suppose she's hoping to inherit his "light of life" franchise?
Which is just normal Daoist delusions.
i had no luck with my search in “witch‘s dream“. i just found citations about how to change events („witch’s shadow“ as the act of manipulating, result of manipulation being called a “link“ which moves the „wheel of chance“), but i think this is about things which lie in the future. i didn‘t get the impression this was about changing something in history.
Good effort, though.
i found this, but i suppose it's also not exactly what you are searching for.
from the power of silence, chapter 8 - the sommersault of thought, page 61-62, page 1092-1093 in all-in-one-pdf:
"... "I'm going to tell you something fundamental about sorcerers and their acts of sorcery," he went on. "Something about the somersault of their thought into the inconceivable."
He said that some sorcerers were storytellers. Storytelling for them was not only the advance runner that probed their perceptual limits but their path to perfection, to power, to the spirit."
....
"... I knew the story of Calixto Muni. He was a Yaqui Indian who, according to the memorable dates, served for many years on a buccaneer ship in the Caribbean in order to learn war strategy. Then he returned to his native Sonora, managed to start an uprising against the Spaniards and declared a war of independence, only to be betrayed, captured, and executed."
....
"... "The sorcerer storyteller who changes the ending of the "factual" account," he said, "does it at the direction and under the auspices of the spirit. Because he can manipulate his elusive connection with intent, he can actually change things. The sorcerer storyteller signals that he has intended it by taking off his hat, putting it on the ground, and turning it a full three hundred and sixty degrees counterclockwise. Under the auspices of the spirit, that simple act plunges him into the spirit itself. He has let his thought somersault into the inconceivable."
Don Juan lifted his arm above his head and pointed for an instant to the sky above the horizon.
"Because his pure understanding is an advance runner probing that immensity out there," don Juan went on, "the sorcerer storyteller knows without a shadow of doubt that somewhere, somehow, in that infinity, at this very moment the spirit has descended. Calixto Muni is victorious. He has delivered his people. His goal has transcended his person." "
Yea, but what a huge disappointment if that's all you can do!
I can already do that!
Not on demand, but locating a variation on reality is normal sorcery doings.
In SK, you sit there and watch limitless streams of "knowledge", which can surely include a historical re-write.
I was more hoping to dig up a treasure chest, the way that quote from the books, is likely contained in the book which has a cover showing people digging up something in the desert at night, using lanterns for light.
I can't even find that book cover!!!
Some of the book covers are reprints, so there's a lot more than we know about.
While looking, I rean into one which tried to turn our sorcery into Yoga...
Some greedy Yoga guy got involved in that reprint, and made Carlos look like Yogananda meditating before he got fat and famous.
Your right, I went through some google searches and found that Calixto Muni in this reality was betrayed, captured, and executed, I seems that Calixto fought in the Yaqui revolt in 1740.
"The insurrection was buried not by Spanish soldiers, however, but by Bernabé Basoritemea and Juan Ignacio Jusacamea. Their inconvenient failure to die deflated the movement that had held them up as martyrs. Basoritemea arrived in Álamos on the evening of August 24. He bore documents from the viceroy absolving him and Jusacamea of the charge that they fomented an uprising and naming Jusacamea as captain general of the Yaqui mission. Basoritemea arrived in the Yaqui Valley on September 7, and according to Pedro de Mendíbil he was immediately successful in securing the surrender of the rebels."
"Huidobro arrived in the Yaqui pueblos on December 18. The governor and his entourage met with Vildósola and Jusacamea in the town of Cocorit. Following Huidobro's orders, Jusacamea had arrested Ayamea and six of the insurrection's main leaders. Over the course of his stay, Huidobro, Vildósola, Jusacamea, and Basoritemea worked to corral the remaining rebels and to make a detailed census of the towns. They found many of their inhabitants to be away working in the region's mines, and others working to supply the nascent Jesuit mission in Baja California. The united front of secular officials and Yaqui governors struck the rebel movement like a punch. Stunned surprise and humiliation now drove many to blame a few ringleaders, when, in the heat of war, many had joined in the rebellion willingly. Ayamea returned the favor, maintaining in his confession that those who had followed him had actually forced him to be their leader on pain of death. He only went along with the mayhem, he said, in order to rein it in. Calixto's confession would not have the intended effect of averting its author's execution."
--"The Yaquis and the Empire" Chapter 6
In this book he's referd to as "Juan Calixto Ayamea" but I found another source that refers to the Yaqui leader at this time as Muni,Calixto,
"History of the Pacific States of North America: North American states. 1883"- page 523
According to ChatGPT:
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Calixto Muni, also known as Cajeme, was a prominent Yaqui leader and warrior from the late 19th century. He was born around 1835 and was executed on April 23, 1887.
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So maybe it's a typo when you said 1740, and it should be 1840?
I was experimenting with this ability to "change the past" last night.
It's an aggressive form of silent knowledge.
And interesting that sorcerers turned it into a group activity.
They seem to pool their silent knowledge and let a single storyteller be the source of the "concern" which selects the topic.
So lets say I can gaze up in silent knowledge looking to see what shows up.
Their storytelling implies you can inject words into that, and change what becomes visible.
The group setting and remembering the event, would become the presentation method in some very odd way. And increase the total awareness backing up that stream of "knowledge".
Then possibly having several people viewing it, is what allows changing it?
However it works, it's clearly one form of "advanced silent knowledge".
One has to wonder what other forms exist.
Last night I "saw" the possibility of traveling along the dark sea of awareness.
I wanted to rush to my computer and write it down, but Cholita had destroyed the internet connection just minutes before I got up...
I took it as a sign not to write about it.
So I went back to practicing and tried kidnapping Cholita's double instead.
Silent Knowledge allows you to locate people's doubles, at which point you can see "where" they are, and what they are doing.
Once you can see them clearly and also what they are doing, you can get their attention and cause them to be sucked them over to your waking copy of reality.
I suppose that's what Silvio Manuel did to grab Josefina and then Josefina did to grab la Gorda, to view the "wall of fog".
Another "practical magic" aspect of Silent Knowledge?
So I think there are 3 or 4 different possibilities of how changing the past works.
What a cheat if it's only changed for sorcerers...
Not worth mentioning at that point.
But don't forget, "reality" is ONLY a flow of sensations from the emanations.
Those can be altered in any way you can think of.
The reason it might be harder to alter that for everyone, is because we've all associated ourselves closely, with an aspect of this particular flow.
Solid matter.
We're so entwined in solid matter, that even the books mention a Nagual leader can "almost" ignore his physical matter, but not quite.
I think it's a bit like, if you are attached to something which needs other things to exist, you're stuck with the other things.
If you like donuts, you need donut shops.
You could try to make your own donuts.
But anyone who's tried to do that knows, you need special equipment to make them as good as the donut shops do.
And a LOT of skill.
in our case, we're stuck with solid matter obsessions.
Certainly at death, if we manage to keep our awareness, that tie to solid matter will be gone, and we can explore freely through the entire dark sea.
But until then, we always have a few toes stuck in the mud.
So can things in our stuck in the mud reality be manipulated at will? Even though some follow automatically from the emanations needed to have the mud in the first place?
I don't see how.
Which is why I'd like to see that original quote, in its full context.
I didn't realize what it was implying when I first saw it.
Keeping in mind, the old seers never did figure out how to free t hemselves from the flesh.
Instead they buried their flesh, let it mummify in a protected location, and went on living in the IOB realm, as a substitute container.
Even the IOBs, when they kidnap a person, take their double first.
And go back for the flesh later on.
Carlos "left" months before he died.
Told us so in a magazine interview, to make sure everyone had that information many years later.
Techno dug it up.
But how could he be "gone" and "can't come back" when he was standing right there in front of us?
We don't have anyone advanced enough to even suggest and explanation for that.
<It's a nice quote, but it's not the one I saw which had me puzzled.
<That one seemed to imply that one of the male sorcerers could actually change reality for EVERYONE. <Not just for other seers.
It can happen. I saw it done. I don't know who did it, but reality was changed for everyone and at least one other person knew it too. Reality was changed for the whole world in a significant way.
Let's hope then, that ability doesn't become common!
I can only imagine what modern angry politics would do to us all.
In weeks, everyone would be wished away in order to "save the planet".
Or just the half that's on the "wrong side" of politics.
Or maybe, all the men but one, and all women over 40.
I wonder who implied it? And where? It isn't in this post.
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I searched everywhere for this and could not find it but I do remember reading it.
From what I can remember it's in relation to the Calixto Muni event shown in the other comment, I think it might have been La Gorda telling the story?
She mentions Silvio Manuel specifically as the sorcerer with absolute control over reality but has zero interest in doing so because he is empty, besides beyond when Don Juan is interested in doing so witch is almost never because he is also empty.
And the text describes Don Juan and Silvio Manuel around a campfire, changing the events of Calixto Muni's battle with there story.
I'm thinking it might be a missing chapter in my all in one epub that techno might also be using.
He brought his face even closer to mine and lowered his voice to a soft whisper. "A sorcerer's hold on reality is absolute. His grip is so powerful, he can bend reality every which way in the service of his art. But he never forgets what reality is or was.
Agustin The Witch's Dream
I am reading the Witch's Dream right now for the first time and I was immediately reminded of this post.
Good job!
I was dying to know where that came from.
It's easy to bend reality every which way when you're alone, but then people ask if you can do that and other people can see you doing it?
A terrible motivation. When someone asks that, I pretty much figure they'll be gone elsewhere looking for attention, in a week or two.
Wanting to prove things to others goes entirely against the spirit needed to learn something as difficult as sorcery.
So the answer is yes, you can do magic shows for people who are stuck in the blue zone.
But it's almost surely quite a bit more advanced than any of us are capable of.
Except crazy Cholita.
Who possibly wouldn't get her "book deal mind" stirred up when trying to do it.
That's the problem we all have. Trying to "prove it" is a completely different situation than when you practice alone. A situation you have yet to learn to be silent in.
Sure, I can manifest hamburgers!
But not if someone else is around.
It's a very difficult state to get to! Where you can manifest anything.
Having someone standing there waiting to see if they can see it too, would make it impossible.
But perhaps not for Cholita, who is in a constant state of paranoia.
She's used to it!
I'm about ready to turn the wheel of chance once again. The first time was when I was caught by wanting to practice inner silence before I knew this subreddit existed. I'm not entirely sure where it wants me to turn, but it will require some re-aligning.
Now I'll need to explore more.
What do you think happens to someone who gets stuck in a timeline in the real life? Is there a sorcery specific explanation?
what of drinking alcohol, occasionally… and smoking tobacco… occasionally
No problem.
You have to be logical about these things.
You consume alcohol in every meal!
If there's fruit involved, even more.
Likewise, a potato is worse than a chocolate bar.
Carbs are just long chains of sugars. And much of candy is mostly fat.
Which makes Reni's advice not to be a "cake eater" seem very foolish.
Partly that was based on Ellis being a heavy self-medicator, eventually resulting in her death by overdose (opiates I suspect).
Carlos tried to get her to cut it out, by asking everyone to stop consuming sugar, coffee, or medications for a few months.
No one did but me.
Later one of the women from the inner circle told me it was ok to go back to eating fruit and having coffee, because Carlos was actually just trying to help Ellis (Amy).
Yet, Reni is pitching that as a sorcery technique. Not eating sugar.
Because that's all she has. No magic over there at Cleargreen.
Avoid trying to be "holy" or "sanctified".
Pretty soon you'll be worried about being "defiled" if you break some arbitrary rule, like "don't eat sugar!"
Nicotine is actually helpful to sorcery effects, all the way up to the purple zone.
Past there, I'm not sure.
But past the purple zone, likely you wouldn't even get into a bathtub, unless you needed it to fight off an attack by the Allies.
Hopefully I never get to the point of taking sponge baths.
But Carlos didn't make up stuff...
And La Gorda herself in the books said that water was "antithetical to the second attention".
Which brings up a question.
Do you suppose you could learn sorcery by never touching any alcohol, becoming intolerant of cigarette smoke, not eating any sugar, and only taking sponge baths?
Or do you suppose all those placebos would tire you out so much, that you never got around to actually doing any work to learn to be silent?
Because in the long run, being tired is the issue.
If you drink so much that you're too tired to practice, then it's a problem.
If you consume too much marijuana causing you to sleep through the night, and not get up to practice, that's a problem.
Otherwise, I can't imagine that would make any difference as long as you sober up before practice.
Everything has an effect.
But most can be ignored all the way into the deep orange zone.
Out there, you can find out for yourself!