The Study of Why Magic Works

/media/1c6x1m7/vt0h4zkxc6vc1.png

Cholita pulled another trick on me.

I can't describe it, and I'm not sure she'd even be aware of it, but in fact she showed me up big time.

And I consoled myself by pondering a back and forth conversation in this very subreddit where I had to admit that when it comes to defining what is "real magic" and what is not, things get very confusing when it comes to witches.

They can turn total obvious nonsense, such as an evil male con artist would sell to others as "Enochian Magick", into the real thing.

Once in a while. So don't anyone get excited unless all you are after is human attention, and thus even a single success is good enough.

That's the Asian model. Where a single accidental success, such as visiting God or Hell, is enough to gain you fame and money and groupies galore. Especially if you dress up funny and find a foreign country in which to sell your make believe, where they're ignorant of the actual doings of your cult type.

Just for example, Daoists are as bad as it gets in Asia. Exploiting women and children, and dominating entire neighborhoods with the kind of religious leadership that ends up causing people to drink cool aide and die for the cult.

It's also remarkably untrue. People read Daoist writings and pretend to be inspired by the truth of them, and yet if you actually learn real magic to the point that you can gaze at the very structure of reality, you realize that Daoism is total nonsense.

There's not a bit of truth in it! The whole thing is designed to appeal to greedy, angry men.

To lure them with the promise of human rewards. Money, fame, respect. All for doing pretty much nothing but repeating the same nonsense that tricked people in the past by providing fake inspiration.

But that's nothing new. A "Rinpoche" is one of the most loathsome con artists in the realms of modern magical systems and religions, and yet commands some kind of strange Hollywood style respect among westerners, even being shown as godlike beings in science fiction fantasy type films such as "The Golden Child".

The west is really stupid when it comes to stuff from the east, to the point that it's common to hear among asian martial art systems, perhaps exotic forms of kung fu, that westerners just can't "get it".

That they're incapable of actually learning that art.

Naturally westerners completely twist that idea around, to make them even more want to pretend to master that unfathomable Asian mysticism. They interpret that claim that westerners can't "get it", to mean that it's so far beyond our primitive scientific minds that you'd have to be REALLY cool to understand it.

So after being clued in by an Asian that the whole kung fu system is total make believe, they interpret it to be the opposite.

Instead of realizing the Asian is telling them that they have this all wrong, and don't see through it the way Asians do, they instead misunderstand to the point that they actually believe that form of Kung Fu contains magic.

In Japan they make a joke about it and say that Westerners can't "smell the air".

It's a fart joke. Westerners are so stupid that even in an elevator, they can't figure out who farted.

It's always very trying to discuss the truth about the horrible extent to which fake Asian magic dominates our western world, and for no good reason, so I'll switch to something we do understand.

TV preachers.

If you live in the USA, you know how evil those guys are.

But in Korea, they don't "get it".

The roles are reversed. Koreans just don't have a good sense of what incredibly bad men TV preachers can be.

They actually believe they're healing people on stage, using the power of Jesus.

And if you try to point out that all the TV preachers want is more donations, they're unphased. They just don't see what's obvious to those who grew up with those monstrous people on TV.

/media/1c6x1m7/xbakzqq1o6vc1.png

In fact, that's part of the lure for naive Koreans too! They want to get in on that donation action.

We're so brainwashed by pretend magic and religion that we actually believe there's something respectable about "Enlightened Masters". If told they're all con artists, even the highest Zen Master or Dali Lama, we hear something else.

We hear that maybe they're like the religious leader who got seduced by the young woman joining his mega church, and made a single mistake of giving in to her irresistable seductions.

And tell ourselves it's not a regular pattern of abuse.

So what if the Dali Lama french kisses little boys?

It's just a cultural difference!

In our thought process we allow that perhaps these Asian "enlightened" masters have simply made some human mistakes, but otherwise their status as having a higher understanding of reality than we do, is still true.

But it's not!

Unfortunately, for that to become obvious to people they have to be able to directly SEE, into the nature of reality.

That's why our specific magical system is all about "seeing". Which as it occurs, causes reality itself to become fungible. So that there's no mistaking something odd is going on.

And as don Juan tells us from time to time in the books, once you are a seer you don't have to be anything else.

No more rituals, spells, or egotistical "Man of Knowledge" boy scout rules of behavior.

You get to know what's really going on, behind the scenes where reality is actually constructed.

I have to tell you, it's a somewhat perplexing view of things. And CERTAINLY is not even a tiny bit "cozy" or comforting.

We're so screwed up you can't believe it! So very confused about what reality actually is.

In fact, one of the biggest puzzles seers face, namely how is it possible you just walked through a solid wall into another world, and there's no physical consequences in terms of bumps on your forehead or dents in the plasterboard from unknowingly banging against the wall as you stumbled into a dream without realizing it, becomes obvious.

You weren't hurt while walking into a vision playing on a solid wall, because there actually is no solid wall there.

But you have to see that with your own eyes, and not find a big bruise on your forehead in the morning after extreme cases where you literally took a running leap, to pass through that solid wall.

All because a window materialized, and you could see another world on the other side. And feel a real breeze coming into your darkroom.

How is that possible?

When you can finally sustain Silent Knowledge, which is called "seeing" in the early books, the answers to that become obvious.

Except, you can't possibly explain it back home in the western mindset.

I don't want to give any credit to Asian thinking here, because they not only don't understand it also, but don't even know that quandary exists.

Their social programming is much worse than ours. The Japanese actually commit suicide if their social status is "damaged" by some silly failure to complete an ordinary work task.

And the Chinese will take revenge on you big time, if you're a computer engineer and have to point out a serious flaw in a design, as a visiting expert on that technology going to a Chinese country from the USA. What I often do for a living.

Three times revenge is what the Chinese will take, before they back off.

Just for example, a Chinese man once designed an IR light source ring for a camera lens, which could be used to see in the dark invisibly. It was just a ring of LEDs on a round circuit board with a hole in it.

But the leds kept burning out, even threatening to burst into flames and burn down the building.

A rather serious design flaw.

It boiled down to the selection of 2 tiny "resistor" components, and was easily resolved by reading the data sheet for the parts being used.

A simple mistake. Just change two resistor values.

But for pointing that out, I got attacked 3 times by the engineer who had made that mistake.

In the west, that would simply be an "Ooops... My bad. I suppose you really do have to read the manual."

But not in a Chinese country. That was a declaration of war!

So please, don't misunderstand. There's nothing respectable about ANY other foreign country's understanding of reality.

The entire world is completely confused, by the "glitter" of the real.

Which you get to see directly, with your own eyes, through "seeing".

Where you can literally use your palm to explore how "space" is created from the emanations.

But couldn't for the life of you, explain what that means to anyone else.

THAT is the nature of reality. It's impossible to either describe, or explain. And yet, you can see clearly at times how it works.

Oddly, people are inspired by Daoist writings which do nothing but "explain" some imaginary version of reality, where you get to pretend to be superior just by trying to understand the words they wrote.

People obsessed with such writings are completely hopeless, because in fact they're just like the Korean person who can't see through TV preachers, because in fact that Korean person wants the same thing the preachers do.

To be the guy standing on the stage "healing people" in exchange for donations from a huge audience.

Things are very very screwed up in the world of magic and religion.

And yet, witches break all the rules from time to time. And make "crap magic" actually work.

To produce what they want. Which doesn't always make sense, or even seem important to me.

Except that, they can make nonsense actually produce real magic.

But so can chanting Buddhist monks, all huddled on pads on the floor to worship a "master" sitting on his own Buddha throne looking down at them, declaring his egolessness in lectures. He resides over the ceremony, and in fact when visitors come to that temple and sit with the chanting monks, many find that the whole thing does in fact "work".

Maybe sitting there with their eyes closed during the chanting, they have a vision of "The golden Buddha".

Or if you prefer, Jesus comes to the praying man and tells him, "It's ok to be gay. Come, lay with me! You're forgiven."

Who could deny that's a magical moment?

Sometimes, magic simply works. Even if it's totally bogus, and born of nothing but greed and sociopathic behavior.

How can that be?

It's how reality works! There actually isn't any.

It's all built out of where your awareness focuses, causing related tiny bits of information to also glow, until the sum total of all of the emanations "humming" with feelings creates the illusion of a real world in which you are living.

To make things even stranger, each new reality comes with a complete "history".

How long you lived there, what you do, who is your beautiful wife, and here is your beautiful car.

You get the whole Del Taco "Fiesta Pack" when you assemble a new reality.

/media/1c6x1m7/13hwd63se8vc1.png

The idea that it's just an aberration, even if real, and you're still "you" somewhere in space and time, is a confusion.

Thus exploring "cyclic beings" using sorcery is somewhat dangerous because there's always the possibility you'll forget where you came from. Fall for the shiny new Fiesta Pack and forget it's not real.

Carlos was even afraid to pick up a newspaper and read it, in an alien world. After Carol Tiggs reminded him.

You can explore that in sleeping dreaming where you get the idea it's just a dream and you ought to look at your hands, but what's going on is just too real to interrupt. So you toy with continuing to "rescue" some odd kitten you found, not wanting to just drop the whole thing, look at your hands, and get to work.

We are all VERY confused about what's actually going on.

But there's hope. And it's nice to know that in the end, "seeing" saved the day for the new seers.

They gazed past all the confusion of reality, and looked to understand WHY magic sometimes works, and why other times it doesn't.

Why can some witches use the most delusional of magic, but produce astonishing results?

Why are some prayers answered?

Why can chanting Buddhist monks led by a seriously bad guy "master", actually cause a visitor to have a divine vision just by being in the room?

I'd even add, why can our practitioners break the laws of physics from time to time?

And that right there, is our sorcery!

It's about the why, not the what.

It's not about fame, or money, or groupie sex.

It's about why magic even occurs at all, in a world which seems so solid and real.

If magic exists for real, then what we understand about reality has to be incomplete.

Unfortunately our inclination is to figure you just need to "add something" to your understanding.

And then you can exploit that addition, to get the fame and money you deserve as a magic man.

But that fails to explain why you can violate the laws of physics in the process of practicing your magic.

A witchcraft induced magical success, such as receiving that check in the mail you so badly needed to pay rent, is entirely different from levitating off the floor by 2 feet.

That's a "causality violation". Seemingly an entirely different topic.

And yet it's not. It's the very thing sorcery studies.

HOW reality comes to be.

HOW individual magical events can take place.

It is in fact a single topic.

And how to repeat it reliably, is what the new seers are all about.

Not about "how to get more stuff" that way.

Just about "how that's even possible".

And it comes down to what we always forget.

Sorcery is all about "the mastery of intent".

About mastering the ability to manipulate how reality is formed in the first place.

Once you start to see that, a witchcraft success story is no different than ridiculous Buddhist monk chanting causing actual visions to form in the minds of visitors.

Magic can happen anywhere. By any method.

Because in fact, reality isn't as real as we've been forced to believe.

And unless you are an attention seeker, a random success producing magic, from time to time, isn't good enough.

You want to understand the process. Of why magic works sometimes, and why it doesn't others.

Without having to pick up obviously false religious delusions in the process.

16 Comments

[-]
u/pumpkinjumper1210 4 points 2024-04-18 08:24

Are we in 1 of these cyclic worlds now? You mention visiting 1 of 600 other stable positions/worlds, is the causal memory of this world the same as those - constructed every moment by our attention to memory?

[-]
u/danl999 3 points 2024-04-18 14:06

I never thought about that.

It's a good point.

However, through all the cyclic being worlds we can change over to, our luminous shell shape and the existence of our assemblage point, is likely to be unchanged.

Those are "fixed" aspects of reality, even when everything else seems to have changed.

And THIS world is a fixed position of the assemblage point, on that unchanging luminous shell shape.

Forgetting for now that you can stretch it.

It's also about as high up on that egg shape, as sorcerers seem to go to assemble new worlds.

If you go higher up, you stretch and that's an entirely different topic.

So if we're stuck in any of #1 to #600 cyclic being worlds, each of which represents a specific position of the assemblage point, this one has to be #1 that we're in.

Which seems like too much of a "happy coincidence" to me.

Meaning, we don't have the answer to that.

[-]
u/pumpkinjumper1210 1 points 2024-04-18 20:23

Huh, so we're at the apparent beginning

[-]
u/danl999 4 points 2024-04-18 20:47

Yea.

Seems like too much of a coincidence to me.

However, if that "me spot" is between the toes, and the beam of awareness has to shine down there because all the shiny outer coating has been eaten down to 1 inch from the floor (like licking the powdered sugar from a donut), that could explain why our assemblage point is way up at our shoulders. Maybe it's the only way to shine that beam directly down to where the only remaining glow is present?

So that, this was engineered by the fliers???

If they'd had us stuck in a world that's further along the J curve, maybe it would be too easy to escape.

It's like we're on the bad end of town, where there's only one street to leave it and it's a scary street.

Might make a very good cartoon!

"Why is our assemblage point up at the top of the egg?"

I could have an "interview" on TV, with Carlos sitting on a couch next to a blobby flier like creature, and some TV personality interviewing both of them???

If my cartoonist works out, I'll have him make a "flier" from what Carlos described of them.

And name it "Bobby".

[-]
u/Emergency-Total-4851 3 points 2024-04-18 09:28

Or if you prefer, Jesus comes to the praying man and tells him, "It's ok to be gay. Come, lay with me! You're forgiven."

Who could deny that's a magical moment?

You're a sweetheart huh Dan?

Ruthless, cunning, patient, sweet

[-]
u/danl999 3 points 2024-04-18 14:15

Na... not me.

Just ruthless and clueless about human feelings due to autism.

Which is precisely what was needed to fix this horrible situation.

We don't need any warm, feel good, inspiring teachers like Miles.

Who I've been told, has created a monster. And plans to unleash more on us.

One of his students is making up new magical passes, and "teaching" complete crapola about what sorcery is, with Miles 100% supporting that behavior.

Meanwhile Reni is making videos congratulating suckers for paying for all of the "facilitator" courses.

What those naive clueless people will become, only time will tell.

So being "sweet" is precisely what we don't need right now.

Maybe some of the women can do that for us.

But make sure to be "sweet", yet slightly poisonous.

Cholita can do that.

I was shocked 2 days ago to have her take me on complicated shortcuts through the hills around my part of southern California, despite her never having lived here long enough to know those backroads.

Where $2M houses lay surrounded by the nightlife bar zone of Fullerton. As in Cal State Fullerton.

As in, where Carlos made the J curve map!

Myself, I wanted to get on the freeway at 4:30PM to get where we had to go, which can be very tricky.

She insisted I follow her instructions and take back roads almost no one knows about.

But she did.

[-]
u/Emergency-Total-4851 1 points 2024-04-18 14:19

No denying it Dan, you're sweet... sometimes...

[-]
u/danl999 3 points 2024-04-18 13:16

I made a picture for instagram. By the way, instagram doesn't allow updating the picture when you find a mistake, so over there you'll find typos. But if you ever see any in this subreddit, point them out and I'll fix them.

/media/1c6x1m7/g07axd95n8vc1.jpeg

[-]
u/[deleted] 1 points 2024-04-18 13:26 deleted

[removed]

[-]
u/AutoModerator 1 points 2024-04-18 13:26

Your comment has been automatically removed because your account does not meet our account-age requirement of 10 days.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[-]
u/[deleted] 1 points 2024-04-18 13:37 deleted

[removed]

[-]
u/AutoModerator 1 points 2024-04-18 13:37

Your comment has been automatically removed because your account does not meet our account-age requirement of 10 days.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[-]
u/aumuaum 1 points 2024-04-19 02:03

God damn that fiesta pack is the whole enchilada.

[-]
u/nonselfimage 0 points 2024-04-21 23:20

Idk this is my first post I read in this sub, someone recently invited me.

Seer is literally a rank in King Killer Chronicle (KKC) as well. Idk what this sub is about seems to be a set of books from OP?

Anwyay yes at my last job I had a coworker I do think was a witch. A Christian so called witch. You probably know the type. The "they seem to know they are better than you but won't let it obviously show what they are thinking" but the vibe is crushing sometimes, like you go "off script" of what they have already determined for you and they rain the wrath of god upon you. And even point blank, if you follow your own idealistic wishful thinking.... and it works.... they accuse you of "this is the real world and magic doesn't work here".

This is it precisely exactly. It has been a while since I was really hardcore subjected directly to such Christian witches knowingly.... but very much it tripple highlighted for me this basic premise; the elder scrolls has this as well.

Namely, the world was created by the god of magic. But he realized the world was a trap for his soul so he left (Magnus) and the sun became the whole through which he "left" the world.

Like that. The fundamental nature of "concrete reality" ie drop it on your foot and it hurts, look at your hand and nothing special just beta emanating.... is itself magic but perhaps suffused with gods wills as it were.....

Shinto, ewk just reminded me other day this. Shinto means litterally "the way of the gods". Dueteronomy 32. The chief Lord or god told his children, he no longer recognized them as his children; as Isaiah said; they all as sheep, went astray, as the heathen, or men, following each after their own way.... no longer doing as their true father did and told them to do.... hence "my family keeps my commandments".

So that magic is still there, just the gods were "cut off from it" as "the world looks after it's own".... a conflict of interest. Do those heathen turned gods sustain the world, or does their father, or some other magic. This I do not know. But the 'successful' magic likely comes from being temporarily aligned with higher will (alar in KKC). Riding crop beleif. Contending beleifs, and the one that is selfless devotion, seemingly.

Hard to say what is really implied with "to ash all things return, so too this flesh shall burn, but if I am needed and called in the proper ways I shall return to judge the world". He gave himself up to stop "a great evil" from poaching his would be "sheep". Ie "I send you out as sheep among wolves". And the Isaiah verse, "we turned from sheep to ways of men, as a metamorphosis, each after his own way". The same accusation from Dueteronomy 32, and Jesus own words, of the father, "my family keeps my words" and "heavens and earths shall pass away but my words shall not pass away".

I cannot explain it as you say in OP, but this is [...my phone deleted a segment of my post here, lost train of thought, auto redacted...] definition of magic and "how reality works" to me. It's so much more than mere Paradoila, although that is a big part of the fundamental "seeing". Non duality or adviata may be preferable, same difference (just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't see you).

I can't imagine just wanting attention tbh that was always weird to me lol. Only times I have ever wanted attention is when a legit problem I did not understand that everyone else sees nothing wrong with occurs and I don't understand the situation and everyone seems flabbergasted, "that never happened for them when they did it" and literally the whole world all did it successfully but it didn't work for me lol (like I bought a car from a pseudo dealership but the DMV told me the title was wrong even though eveyone who witnessed me purchasing the car said nothing was wrong with the title, that's how it's been done for hundreds of years).

So very much, magic and bullshit often seem the same to me. Especially when it "works", often it's just "one more thing for me to endure/put up with" lol. But then again, so is much of reality, likewise; bullshit. We just engage with it as if we have no choice and it is consensual, but in fact our perception is largely delusional and ignorant.... we are merely following our perception in good faith, which is not always the case for that which we are engaging with; as sheep among wolves, as it were (or, Christian witches).

Thus very much alar or will, and the contending of them.... good faith and bad faith, and the supporting of one for the other (IE throwing good after bad). Or the destruction of one by the other (not sure if this actually happens or not). Or, converting, more like than destruction perhaps. "Gaurd your energy" so to speak. Idk about this tbh ("give to all whom ask", versus extortion and/or manipulation, for example).

But in any case, by multiple records yes is very much a "magical realm" and we just don't know that or how it works; and many whom do, are as "wolves". Literally, the "old gods" became "corrupt" or "self interested" rather than impartial and magnanimous, according to Dueteronomy 32. So, our good faith magic practices literally are up against actual fallen gods, as it were lol. Thus, can't tell which way the schizophrenic magic is serving. Lol.

Is what it is. Thanks for somewhat interesting topic, been a while since I gave it much thought but it's somewhat old hat to me.

[-]
u/castaneda-ModTeam 2 points 2024-04-22 01:06

Removed for heavy use of out-of-system terminology. Please be familiar with the terminology used in here before posting. Inventory comes with baggage, which we in here don't need. See the Wiki's Terminology page.