Someone pointed out this scene sometime in the last year, in either public chat or in the Discord server, and it should have a broader impact/visibility than it likely had then.
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u/Emergency-Total-4851
5 points2024-04-18 19:21
That was worth looking up on Youtube past the block on copyright!
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
3 points2024-04-19 10:38
Here's a version with subtitles that can be auto translated into another language
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u/Emergency-Total-4851
3 points2024-04-19 21:21
The entire movie is absolutely incredible.
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u/ControlledFolly_Ovix
3 points2024-04-19 04:53
I feel like there is an identity component to the practice. This idea that "flyer" mind gave us their mind, makes us believe it's ours. Then you recognize that it's not yours, that it's a "foreign installation", you become "the person who is aware that they aren't they". But it also comes with it's own, "elevated" dialogue. Is this heightened awareness? A mild shift in assemblage point maybe? Or just pretending?
At the least for practical reasons alone I feel that it's an improved state of mind over the baseline and is worth pursuing. I think this is the "sobriety" and "ruthlessness" and a way for accumulating "personal power". I guess the question here is, is this "silence"? Or maybe just a step towards silence? Either way, it shouldn't be ignored at least for pragmatic reasons. I don't believe it to be indulging.
Thoughts?
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
4 points2024-04-19 10:12
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u/GermanSpeaker971
1 points2024-12-06 01:03
Even the elevated dialogue is not you. Every thought is not you. Don't grasp onto any, stay in the vast spaciousness, which is where you are already. Don't let a single doubtful thought seperate you from this clarity which is always the case. Do not divide, distinguish, make distinction. Stay in this one point, while eating, meditating, working, before sleep, right when you wake up. Stay in this one point when fear arises. Do not seperate yourself, do not grasp a single thought. Even perceptual thoughts, visual images, a just thought, do not strain, do not introduce a single blip of personal will to your experience of conciousness, do not move a hair's width from where you are already. Remain here.
As enabling this reality, and only this reality, to function like a metaphorical block of concrete formed around our feet.
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u/GermanSpeaker971
1 points2024-12-06 02:31
What does that mean in simpler terms?
What I am referring to is going beyond identity which is ridden with doubt, analysis, thinking, thinking, planning, seeking. Which is suffering.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2024-12-06 03:11
That mindfulness isn't sorcery. And neither is awakening.
Maybe you didn't notice what subreddit this post is in?
Anyway, it's a very tricky thing to describe since it's a step beyond everything that we're familiar with, and is clearly distinct from eastern philosophy and religion, and what Castaneda called "the intent of the sorcerers of ancient Mexico."
It's downright alien to Western civilization.
What you're referencing in your last comment is what we call the Green Zone on the J-Curve (do some term searching on this subreddit and it's Wiki), and is a stepping stone...and not a sorcerer's destination.
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u/GermanSpeaker971
1 points2024-12-06 04:28
Oh okay. My bad.
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u/Bless166
2 points2024-04-20 12:23
I saw this movie a long time ago and I repeat it from time to time, apart from being good for the themes it deals with, I thought it was perfect, the chess master and the con master represented hidden parts within Mr Green that helped him if knowledge really What was happening, it's a shame that you can only find this movie cut, the first time I saw it it lasted 2:15 hours and now I can only find it 1:45 with several parts cut, but well it's just a shame
Do you think Mr Gold was the Eagle or the Spirit? (what a coincidence, the ancestor stopped at 13 haha)
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u/elektronomiafan
1 points2024-04-20 20:27
Wow, what a scene. I need to watch this movie, looks incredible.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2024-06-21 11:58
We’ve hit on a more pragmatic term than inner silence.
An abscence of self-reflection.
It fits with the passage in the books where it’s stated that a true sorcerer is intensely engaged with the constant examination of the self (as with the recapitulation ), so that they may turn away from it completely, as an act of will (ie. forcing silence).
Over and over again….until they cease to turn towards it anymore. Meaning, until they lose the human form.
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Someone pointed out this scene sometime in the last year, in either public chat or in the Discord server, and it should have a broader impact/visibility than it likely had then.
That was worth looking up on Youtube past the block on copyright!
Here's a version with subtitles that can be auto translated into another language
The entire movie is absolutely incredible.
I feel like there is an identity component to the practice. This idea that "flyer" mind gave us their mind, makes us believe it's ours. Then you recognize that it's not yours, that it's a "foreign installation", you become "the person who is aware that they aren't they". But it also comes with it's own, "elevated" dialogue. Is this heightened awareness? A mild shift in assemblage point maybe? Or just pretending?
At the least for practical reasons alone I feel that it's an improved state of mind over the baseline and is worth pursuing. I think this is the "sobriety" and "ruthlessness" and a way for accumulating "personal power". I guess the question here is, is this "silence"? Or maybe just a step towards silence? Either way, it shouldn't be ignored at least for pragmatic reasons. I don't believe it to be indulging.
Thoughts?
Even the elevated dialogue is not you. Every thought is not you. Don't grasp onto any, stay in the vast spaciousness, which is where you are already. Don't let a single doubtful thought seperate you from this clarity which is always the case. Do not divide, distinguish, make distinction. Stay in this one point, while eating, meditating, working, before sleep, right when you wake up. Stay in this one point when fear arises. Do not seperate yourself, do not grasp a single thought. Even perceptual thoughts, visual images, a just thought, do not strain, do not introduce a single blip of personal will to your experience of conciousness, do not move a hair's width from where you are already. Remain here.
Not quite. Read this on sleepwalking and sorcery:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1bxemje/inner_silence_is_sleepwalking/
What is your interpretation of "remain here"?
As enabling this reality, and only this reality, to function like a metaphorical block of concrete formed around our feet.
What does that mean in simpler terms?
What I am referring to is going beyond identity which is ridden with doubt, analysis, thinking, thinking, planning, seeking. Which is suffering.
That mindfulness isn't sorcery. And neither is awakening.
Maybe you didn't notice what subreddit this post is in?
Anyway, it's a very tricky thing to describe since it's a step beyond everything that we're familiar with, and is clearly distinct from eastern philosophy and religion, and what Castaneda called "the intent of the sorcerers of ancient Mexico."
It's downright alien to Western civilization.
What you're referencing in your last comment is what we call the Green Zone on the J-Curve (do some term searching on this subreddit and it's Wiki), and is a stepping stone...and not a sorcerer's destination.
Oh okay. My bad.
I saw this movie a long time ago and I repeat it from time to time, apart from being good for the themes it deals with, I thought it was perfect, the chess master and the con master represented hidden parts within Mr Green that helped him if knowledge really What was happening, it's a shame that you can only find this movie cut, the first time I saw it it lasted 2:15 hours and now I can only find it 1:45 with several parts cut, but well it's just a shame
Do you think Mr Gold was the Eagle or the Spirit? (what a coincidence, the ancestor stopped at 13 haha)
Wow, what a scene. I need to watch this movie, looks incredible.
We’ve hit on a more pragmatic term than inner silence.
An abscence of self-reflection.
It fits with the passage in the books where it’s stated that a true sorcerer is intensely engaged with the constant examination of the self (as with the recapitulation ), so that they may turn away from it completely, as an act of will (ie. forcing silence).
Over and over again….until they cease to turn towards it anymore. Meaning, until they lose the human form.
A cheeky commercial that someone dug up