Hello. I am a boy over 25 years old. I'm training silence in the wake and I reach the initial areas of the green zone during the silence. And I know that after that I will see a puff and then an inorganic one
But I am afraid of one thing. If in the green or red zone in our own world we do something ugly in relation to inorganics, such as staring at their body or touching their body without permission or wrongfully insulting them or stealing from them in our own world, What is the punishment?
I don't want to go to their world and I don't want to be imprisoned forever in their world just because of one or more ugly deeds in our world! Will I be imprisoned in their world for a while? Are the rules different for men, women and people under 18? Are the rules different for someone who is semi-conscious due to drug use?
What are the rules, do you know? If you don't know, can you ask your inorganic? This is a very important topic that I think all newbies should know, but I don't think there's anything like this on the subreddit!
Daniel says that if we steal even the smallest thing in the land of inorganics, we will probably be imprisoned there forever! Strange rules!
It's scary for me that I don't know the rules
Fortunately, inorganics can't lie (at least not in their own land, I don't know if they can here!)
Grateful
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The more inner silence you collect, the more sober you become on your own. Do that first. Then many of your worries will either dissolve by themselves, or they will become so clear that you will recognize the fear and self-pity behind them. The latter can even lead to depression, but it's just another expression of self-pity.
During inner silence you remember your true human awareness, and the current self-pity driven awareness shies away from it, like the foreign installation that it is. That's what's happens. Considered this way, depression may be unbearable, and yet it can be taken as a sign of progress.
As far as IOBs are concerned, they are just interested in interaction. The more you signal that you want more intensive interaction, the further they will pull you into their weird stuff. Like a permission which gets further extended. As a beginner, you don't need to worry about this, as it only becomes an issue once you have made a certain level of progress. At the beginning, you are still far too uninteresting for IOBs.
With respect, I think the only thing they are interested in is stealing us!
And I think they will get to know me very soon and I don't see any reason to delay the relationship! And then...? How much did Don Juan fear them?
It is very wrong to communicate with them without knowing the rules... Don Juan is afraid of them
He said that they are setting a trap for you and you don't even see it...
And I don't know the rules?
There's no place for getting "even more kidnapped" than being stuck like in the current world. How do you think you ended up in that realm you're trapped in right now at this moment? Do you think it wasn't a trap to be born in an organic body?
Get some sobriety & stay cool. Just discover your true, human awareness step by step. No reason for going crazy.
Even if I forget about freedom and I not be afraid of being imprisoned in that land
Don Juan said it depends on what trap you fall into. He said there are some energy flows there that are worse than death! I think it means being tortured!
But even if we don't look at any of the above. Isn't it wise for someone to ask the rules from the inorganics and teach them to the rest of the sorcerers? Why should we be imprisoned there? In my opinion, if someone has such ability and does not do this, he has done an ugly thing
All you've written cries out for more sobriety. Since you're clinging to your worries like a baby to a pacifier, it would be best if you forget the whole issue, leave this subreddit and do something else. Preferably something you're keen on. Bye.
So have fun in the land of inorganics!
I don't want to be stuck there. And shame on someone who can easily help others so much and doesn't do it! We are a group! I might get stuck. You might get stuck. He might get stuck. Just because he didn't help the group
Sounds like you like being on Earth, good for you. I’ll say it again, these questions are answered by the books, and I think Art of Dreaming covers this one in particular. Go and do some research, it’s been a while since I read that book, but the ways you can get kidnapped is not a very long list at all.
Daniel says that if we steal even one needle from their land, we will probably be imprisoned there forever. He once said that his ally was instigating Daniel to move in his land without permission to see the signs with pictures of naguals on them. He probably wanted to trick her to steal her
Which of these is in the books?
Both of them are. You can't take stuff from the IOB realm, told in art of dreaming. And IOBs can make you move around in their realm, also art of dreaming.
You really do need more sobriety and to stop panicking.
Bring a picture of the text that says you do not have the right to take anything in their land without permission. And most importantly, don't we know that if we remove the needle, we will be imprisoned forever?
And where does it say in that book that you don't have the right to move in their land without their permission, if not, maybe you will be imprisoned forever!
You are so reckless. Even Don Juan is afraid of them! But you are not afraid
It really is best to find something different, find something that you can pour your heart and soul into to forget all of this. You aren't even at the beginning and you are terrified already.
Carlos and La Gorda knew that they shouldn't take anything from the IOB realm
How can you be instigated to move and not have permission to move?
1-Carlos and Lagorda? You mean Carlos and Carol? They knew that if they wore the clothes in that hut, they would forget where they came from. It was not a rule that if you steal from them, they can steal you
2- I don't mean movement. I mean moving a lot without permission. For example, if you are a guest in my house and you see some paintings of nagual pictures, you think that because I have made you a guest, you have the right to go where you want and see the paintings. but you do not have the right to do this
And you will be imprisoned in my house forever. Because you didn't know that you shouldn't go away even a little without my permission! We will be easily fooled.
I am waiting for the opinion of professionals...
You shouldn't be waiting, you are a cracked vessel. Even this amount of pressure made you spring a leak. You aren't even in the green zone nor have you seen an IOB, nor have you even set so much as a foot into the inorganic beings realm.
Enter the green zone first and enjoy that feeling and you will be on a par with all the yogis and mystics out there. Then if you are still terrified, you can review your thoughts again.
Enjoy the green zone and then enjoy the land of inorganics forever!
I'm not far from inorganics! I don't know what exactly allows them! Allowing me to steal me forever just because of a disrespect to him, and not in their land! The laws of each country are different. For example, if you do not know the rules in an Islamic country, you can easily be punished! I don't know what the rules are when I sit in my house!
I am very close to meeting the inorganics. You wake up when it's too late
i need laws.That's all.And my friends here should help me and ask the inorganics about the rules. That's all
Isn't it better to know the rules before entering? Don't you have any sense?
You are almost as far away as possible as it can be to meet the inorganics.
I think we can finish talking now.
No, I'm not far. But if I am
Again, we need laws as soon as possible. Both me and you and others
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Why do you think I could possibly need rules? I wouldn't mind being taken into the inorganic being's realm personally (or any number of the different paths). Don't speak for me again.
There is only one rule: don’t agree to anything you don’t want to do.
If you go to a car dealer, he’ll try to sell you a car, if he convinces you and you agree, you are liable for paying for the car.
You are far.
As a result you don't have anything to worry about as far as contact with inorganics goes.
Everything you're writing about here is coming from embedded issues in your internal monologue, and I assume is also part of the culture in which you were raised (Middle Eastern / Muslim?).
And one doesn't loosen oneself from those bonds/limits without great effort and time.
And there are no "professionals" here. Just people with greater or lesser degrees of dedication and time spent on the practices. And, I suppose, differences in intent.
You have all the information you need about what not to do. Which is why this post is puzzling.
Use common sense...and stop treating contact with inorganics as some distasteful chore to get past. But since that mood will guarantee that they wouldn't have anything to do with you anyway, I still say you have nothing to worry about.
We suggest you visit https://community.castaneda.com (new member sign up is free)
You could find better company there.
I realized all of a sudden after rereading your post
A lot of your fears are permission based, and very much based on punishment from society’s rules, especially social ones
If you are neurodivergent, that would make sense why this is a big issue, but it’s a wild guess on my part
I mean, even the Abrahamic religions have a lot of "Thou shalt not"