I believe it's been posted a couple of times in here.
It's nice to see Michael Harner defend Carlos, but for the most part this video is poorly informed on what's going on in this community.
We've got it all working now!
Hopefully you noticed that already?
While not a bad video, it tends to encourage pretending.
The very thing that nearly destroyed our community.
Even in here, it's a constant battle to fight off pretenders seeking human attention and money.
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u/Hang_On_963
1 points2024-07-03 11:58
Thanks. Actually there was nothing here when I just joined so I added the vid. Thanks for your comment.
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u/danl999
11 points2024-07-03 12:07
It's not a bad thing, butt we're invaded by so many profit and attention seekers, that we're always a bit suspicious of a post like that. First thought might be that it's monetized, and the motivation is more people viewing it.
Carlos had the same problem we do, when he tried to teach for free in the 1980s. Endless hecklers showed up where he was trying to teachin a public park. As a result he had to switch to the "workshop" model with armed guards and locked doors.
But, you found the right place! Now get to work, and you'll be literally doing EVERYTHING from the books of Carlos.
Including the jumping off cliffs and flying through the air parts.
We have the 2 allies of Carlos floating around helping from time to time. He left them to his private classes.
They're VERY visible if you can move your assemblage point down your back just 4 inches, and "darkroom" will easily accomplish that (but still only 1 in 100 will put in a serious effort).
Darkroom was invented by Little Smoke, to make it impossible to deceive yourself that you have gotten silent.
Or, removed the internal dialogue for the sake of the dimwitted. We get people who don't understand our use of "Silent" and make up absurd asiany kinds of things about what it is.
When you get fully "silent", the world simply stops! It all goes away.
Here's the map Carlos left us. Study that a bit if you want to really learn sorcery.
Pity Michael Harner never took Carlos as seriously as he should have.
Darkroom was invented by Little Smoke, to make it impossible to deceive yourself that you have gotten silent...Or, removed the internal dialogue for the sake of the dimwitted. We get people who don't understand our use of "Silent" and make up absurd asiany kinds of things about what it is.
people like me. :P
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u/danl999
3 points2024-07-03 13:36
And that MD guy. Who turns out to be a typical inventory warrior bad guy, pretending his results.
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u/mathestnoobest
1 points2024-07-03 14:11
i may be dimwitted but i'm not pretending.
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u/danl999
5 points2024-07-03 15:24
It seems as if your problem is that you don't actually practice as much as you imply.
That's kind of common.
But that guy's never practiced anything real at all.
And isn't een very good at comprehending the books.
He reads what he wants to see, so that it's easy to pretend to be like the characters in the story.
I never plan to write a book, but if I did I'd use time travel to go back and see what kind of horrible monsters the old seers really were, and write about that.
Because being a monster, or a "good person" has nothing to do with sorcery.
Nor do your bad habits like smoking, or looking at online porn too much.
All irrelevant.
It's just a technology.
We don't go to our talented computer repair man and notice him looking at "Huge Boobed Milfs in Latex" on his monitor, so that we decide to go somewhere else because he's a "bad person".
Not if he's a very good computer repair man.
So to dispel Dr. Clueless MD's harm to the subreddit telling people the goal is to be impeccable, it NEVER says that.
It says, at one point, that the new seers concluded that being impeccable was ALMOST enough.
Key word, "almost".
And since in the first 55 years after the books of Carlos came out, NO ONE learned any sorcery at all, and his reputation was 100% trashed all over the internet, that "almost" has been proven to actually be "nearly hopeless".
That reading of the early books also ignores that the Nagual's blow was being used on Carlos, and he was being taken to visit all 15 powerful seers in don Juan's lineage.
So if anyone has a Nagual blowing them into oblivion in which they get to visit 15 powerful seers, then impeccability would indeed be "almost" enough. Just so you don't waste all their hard work, when you aren't under their control.
Until you get that "real lineage experience", hard work is the only way to learn real magic.
And it works! We have endless proof of that available now.
Which tells you another thing about Dr. Clueless, MD.
He isn't interested in learning at all, because this is the place you can actually do that!
But he started trying to "teach" instead.
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u/mathestnoobest
1 points2024-07-03 15:37
well, i actually barely practice at all. thought i was quite open about that. i also have so much read/reread. not sure if i'm expected to just stay quiet until i've done all of that.
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I believe it's been posted a couple of times in here.
It's nice to see Michael Harner defend Carlos, but for the most part this video is poorly informed on what's going on in this community.
We've got it all working now!
Hopefully you noticed that already?
While not a bad video, it tends to encourage pretending.
The very thing that nearly destroyed our community.
Even in here, it's a constant battle to fight off pretenders seeking human attention and money.
Thanks. Actually there was nothing here when I just joined so I added the vid. Thanks for your comment.
It's not a bad thing, butt we're invaded by so many profit and attention seekers, that we're always a bit suspicious of a post like that. First thought might be that it's monetized, and the motivation is more people viewing it.
Carlos had the same problem we do, when he tried to teach for free in the 1980s. Endless hecklers showed up where he was trying to teachin a public park. As a result he had to switch to the "workshop" model with armed guards and locked doors.
But, you found the right place! Now get to work, and you'll be literally doing EVERYTHING from the books of Carlos.
Including the jumping off cliffs and flying through the air parts.
We have the 2 allies of Carlos floating around helping from time to time. He left them to his private classes.
They're VERY visible if you can move your assemblage point down your back just 4 inches, and "darkroom" will easily accomplish that (but still only 1 in 100 will put in a serious effort).
Darkroom was invented by Little Smoke, to make it impossible to deceive yourself that you have gotten silent.
Or, removed the internal dialogue for the sake of the dimwitted. We get people who don't understand our use of "Silent" and make up absurd asiany kinds of things about what it is.
When you get fully "silent", the world simply stops! It all goes away.
Here's the map Carlos left us. Study that a bit if you want to really learn sorcery.
Pity Michael Harner never took Carlos as seriously as he should have.
people like me. :P
And that MD guy. Who turns out to be a typical inventory warrior bad guy, pretending his results.
i may be dimwitted but i'm not pretending.
It seems as if your problem is that you don't actually practice as much as you imply.
That's kind of common.
But that guy's never practiced anything real at all.
And isn't een very good at comprehending the books.
He reads what he wants to see, so that it's easy to pretend to be like the characters in the story.
I never plan to write a book, but if I did I'd use time travel to go back and see what kind of horrible monsters the old seers really were, and write about that.
Because being a monster, or a "good person" has nothing to do with sorcery.
Nor do your bad habits like smoking, or looking at online porn too much.
All irrelevant.
It's just a technology.
We don't go to our talented computer repair man and notice him looking at "Huge Boobed Milfs in Latex" on his monitor, so that we decide to go somewhere else because he's a "bad person".
Not if he's a very good computer repair man.
So to dispel Dr. Clueless MD's harm to the subreddit telling people the goal is to be impeccable, it NEVER says that.
It says, at one point, that the new seers concluded that being impeccable was ALMOST enough.
Key word, "almost".
And since in the first 55 years after the books of Carlos came out, NO ONE learned any sorcery at all, and his reputation was 100% trashed all over the internet, that "almost" has been proven to actually be "nearly hopeless".
That reading of the early books also ignores that the Nagual's blow was being used on Carlos, and he was being taken to visit all 15 powerful seers in don Juan's lineage.
So if anyone has a Nagual blowing them into oblivion in which they get to visit 15 powerful seers, then impeccability would indeed be "almost" enough. Just so you don't waste all their hard work, when you aren't under their control.
Until you get that "real lineage experience", hard work is the only way to learn real magic.
And it works! We have endless proof of that available now.
Which tells you another thing about Dr. Clueless, MD.
He isn't interested in learning at all, because this is the place you can actually do that!
But he started trying to "teach" instead.
well, i actually barely practice at all. thought i was quite open about that. i also have so much read/reread. not sure if i'm expected to just stay quiet until i've done all of that.
A Nagual blowing them to oblivion?😂
Whatever happened to la Catalina?