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u/danl999 - The idea while doing tensegrity is not to look for things you expect, or feel for things, but rather to fall asleep and do the forms sleeping walking.
In silence.
So that the assemblage point can move, and reality around you will mutate.
Until that happens, there's nothing to feel!
Tensegrity is NOT even remotely like "Chi Gung,", Reiki, or Aikido etc.
It’s an awareness/attention technology.
The idea while doing tensegrity is not to look for things you expect, or feel for things, but rather to fall asleep and do the forms sleeping walking.
In silence.
So that the assemblage point can move, and reality around you will mutate.
From the private subreddit chat on Oct. 2, 2023:
u/danl999 - Carlos taught shorter movements in private classes. But then he didn't like the results, so he created "long forms", explaining that if we had to use muscle memory to remember a sequence, it would help us be more silent.
But he didn't take into account our incredible ability to fantasize the whole time, and stare at the butt of the person in front of you. There's really no official "short forms". Just individual movements, and "forms". Some longer, some shorter.
If you concentrate on how the muscles are moving, it can greatly help reduce the fantasizing. Which can help starve off the internal dialogue, since fantasies drive it. But you still have to force it off at its own level. Or nothing is going to happen, as proven by the entire workshop crowd and no one ever consistently discovering anything magical that stands out enough to get someone excited.
I'd really like to get an honest answer from what the Cleargreen "facilitators" experience, and why they believe that's enough. Some took the facilitator classes believing the magic was reserved for upper levels. So when they got to #4 and realized there isn't any magic at all, they didn't finish the course. Reni should just add on darkroom to fix that situation. Starting at level 3. And don't let anyone go to level 4, until they reach the green zone. And not to 5, until they reach the red zone....
...Do your best to "feel" the physical movements, and almost pretend you're trying to that style of dancing, "The robot". From the 80s.
But not on purpose. Don't exaggerate or alter them (like in this video!).
Just find which muscles need to move, and which do not, and only move those which do need moving.
It "undoes" your sense of physicality and attacks your internal dialogue, because it's a "not-doing" to pay that much attention.
Also, Carlos believed it can actually activate that part of the brain, and reduce the part we normally use for our internal dialogue.
That part of the brain is what catches a falling glass before you realize it's slipping off the dinner table.
So it's "conscious" of everything going on.
[^(username #1)] - old videos of tensegrity volume 1 they are all individual forms, but they can be done in series. They didn't have a much connection movement between each pass, so eventually i just started picking a choosing and isolating each pass. So it became this do 3-4 random passes and rest. But i just learned they westwood the first concern, and is much more intense for me ( i tried it with blindfold as well). I guess because it is a longer uninterrupted flow. i will learn the whole 5 concerns and work them as one block of movements, continuous and focusing on muscles only.
u/danl999 - With silence. Never forget that part. Eventually you'll have ideas on how to make the assemblage point move, which aren't based entirely on the forms or silence. But you have to discover those yourself. And then of course you forget them, until later you rediscover them further along the J curve. We really don't have this system entirely down yet. But if we started to try to figure it out in more detail, it would only encourage more bad players. So at some point, you just have to keep things to yourself.
[^(username #1)] - one more question about magic greed. Last week i had insane magic things happen to me in the middle of the night and in the darkroom and this kinda make me act very greedy towards magic. I started to push really hard, but push not smart on daily basis for more and in return just got self pity. Any advise on this ?
u/danl999 - Progress flows and ebbs. Each time it is less, you just have to work harder on forcing off your internal dialogue. The greed all goes away when you've been doing this so long, you realize it's a 1000 mile road. Not a short 1 mile and you're there.
I seem to recall from the books, that it's possible to raise an apprentice in 10 years. Though I can't remember where I read that. We have both an advantage, and a disadvantage. The disadvantage is, when we hit a rough spot, there's no one to help pull us along at a fast pace, the way don Juan did for Carlos. No one to "show us the next thing" on a regular basis.
But the advantage is, we get 100% credit from the spirit, for all efforts. Because all efforts are our own. Not just us being bullied by actual sorcerers, and made to go where they want us to go.
One of the reasons for the big "blow up' when the Nagual leaves, where the apprentices are subjected to some scandal or bad situation that makes them all think about giving up, is to convert the "free ride" apprentices, into the kind of students we are. The "on your own power, 100%" kind. No one knows what will result from that. Something slightly different though.
[^(username #2)] - (referring to [username #1], I've found that self pity turns itself off if you force darkroom long enough. For me it was after about 2.5 hours of trying. Doesn't happen every session, but when I experienced it several times I started to wait for that state.
Everything before that is just tonal making excuses to not give up the internal dialogue. It really fights back hard, it can even give you bad mood. But when it finally gives up, the resistance disappears suddenly together with self pity.
[^(username #1)] - or me self-pity is long drag through out the days if I don't push in darkroom good enough, but one good 1 hour session fixes it like new. I have noticed that self pity is self importance thing and is very connected to wishes and wants, and in general existence around the idea that life happens to you instead of for you.
Once you slowly start realizing that we are just an assembly point and on some kind of ride where decisions only made between self importance and what the force wants the energy trapped slowly starts to release.
In fact the best darkroom sessions I had when I fully forgot who I am and where i am and why i am doing this. Self importance is the main enemy and what grounds you in the blue line permanently by taking energy...
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To further drive home this point, they're called Magical Passes for a reason. Here's a definition:
Noun: pass
|pas|
Any authorization to go somewhere • the pass to visit had a strict time limit
=passport
(military) a permit to enter or leave a military installation • he had to show his pass in order to get out
=liberty chit
Success in satisfying a test or requirement • he got a pass in introductory chemistry
=passing, qualifying
The location in a range of mountains of a geological formation that is lower than the surrounding peaks • we got through the pass before it started to snow
=mountain pass, notch
Verb: pass
|pas|
Go across or through • We passed the point where the police car had parked. Move past • A black limousine passed by when she looked out the window • He passed his professor in the hall
=go by, go past, pass by, travel by
Stretch out over a distance, space, time, or scope; run or extend between two points or beyond a certain point • Service passes all the way to Cranbury
=extend, go, lead, run
(of an event) come to pass (in time, so that it is real and actual at some time) • What is passing off?
=come about, fall out, go on, hap, happen, occur, pass off, take place
Cause to pass • She passed around the plates
=make pass
Derived
Noun: passage, passer, passing
Verb: repass
Adjective: passable
They really are spectacular in Silent Knowledge.
Keep in mind that in Silent Knowledge, which happens when the assemblage point moves all the way around the outside and up the front to align with that of your energy body, which is "built" through tensegrity, anywhere you look in darkness is "the nagual".
Since there's nothing to see otherwise!
You can do this in daylight, and we have a few who did, but it's much easier for a beginner if it's dark and there's nothing to distract you.
So any movement at all that you do, triggers ripples in "the nagual".
I don't like using that term in that context since it's used other ways, but someone found a direct quote in the books equating "the second attention" with "the nagual".
So for beginners who are star struck and get all teary eyed when they hear "the nagual", forget it.
It's just the second attention!
Women with absolutely no training at all are likely to see a bunch of that monthly due to their cycle pushing their assemblage point around.
But over in SK, it forms a structure Carlos called, "the wall".
A virtual surface, on which you can detect "disturbances".
Disturbances in the force if you like! We really do get to perceive those.
And every single movement of your body will generate those.
Tensegrity, when designed by someone like Carlos, and using old seer single movements embedded in it to summon "intent", can cause one disturbance, to flow into another, until it literally assembles something larger.
Reality works that way! You begin to bundle specific emanations until you get enough to cause a flow of sensations and feelings from the dark sea, and those cause feedback in your own interpretation of them, which emphasizes ones that make a "cozy" scene for you.
For instance, vague vertical lines might kind of look like bamboo to you.
So seeing those on a wall, from being in the orange zone along the J curve, causes you to look more closely to see if there's anything to prove that's bamboo.
So it mutates into a bamboo forest.
Into which you can actually walk on a good day, right through the wall.
https://archive.org/details/visible_intent
But back to individual movements. Even the heel tap on the floor of the recapitulation series, causes such a ripple when you are in Silent Knowledge.
This is a bit too colorful and intense, so expect it to be less startling at first.
This sight would only be possible if your assemblage point shifted so far sideways that you were now inside a dream, instead of practicing in your room.
But this can happen too!
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Omega Institute 1995/05/26
Questions: Someone asked, 'What's the difference between martial arts and Tensegrity? Kylie answered that the Tensegrity movements allow your body to move in new and different ways. These are the things they will focus on in the six-week workshop. Tensegrity is not martial arts, although some old naguals were martial artists. When they went into dreaming, they brought their basic intuition about martial arts and used it. But their intent was not the same as with martial arts. In response to a question about remembering the movements, Kylie suggested that as you practice the movements, call intent to help you remember more. Your body remembers. But we usually don't allow ourselves to remember. Tensegrity forges the discipline to fight off the flyers.
Another, and possibly more accurate, way to state the 'mode' one should strive to remain in while practicing a magical pass is intentional sleepwalking. The part of your mind that comments on the world 'goes to sleep' through the process of removing your attention from it, while the rest of you doesn't just remain awake but becomes heightened (with greatly expanded perception and ability, that is no longer being handicapped).