There is a view that "internal dialog" exists for a very specific and practical reason.
First, let me make an analogy with a computer: It does not matter what program is loaded on the computer and what data it processes - the main result of the computer's work is "heat" and electromagnetic radiation.
The same is true of the inner dialog - no matter what the content is, the main result is always the "suffering" we experience.
And we experience suffering for a reason - it is radiated outward (and thus we lose energy) and feeds the "parasites of consciousness".
Humans are nowhere near the top of the food chain. We feed the parasites of consciousness, we are their cattle.
And inner dialogue is a milking machine.
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A recent exchange between me and another user via direct chat:
[username] - We can fully functioning while totally silent? Like I can drive my truck with my blank?
u/TechnoMagical_Intent - You didn’t have an internal dialogue when you were learning how to ride a bike as a little kid; and driving a car as an adult is for more automatic.
The internal dialogue can’t do shit.
All it can do is distract and drain attention away from what we’re actually doing.
It’s a strawman.
[username] - Damn…..you’re right again. Never thought of that and it’s true - Kids don’t have it.
If all I ever do is shut off my internal dialogue that’s a win.
u/TechnoMagical_Intent - The internal dialogue, it's like a retarded cousin that's mooching off you as an adult roommate, who doesn't pay rent because your mom has an agreement and wants you to be nice.
Even though he's a rat bastard! That screams and complains non-stop.
You didn't participate in that agreement! So kick his ass out....
There is, of course, more than a little bit of resistance to that:
Thank you very much. I just wanted to emphasize the point about suffering because not many people write about it.
I am so used to my inner dialogue that I have not noticed how it brings suffering into every moment of life.
When I am able to pay attention to my inner dialogue, I can see how it creates suffering.
This creates additional motivation for me to stop it and not hold on to it.
The apartment dweller in the analogy I made is DEFINITELY suffering! He's in there 24/7 with that retard. 😖
I've found the "dialogue" is an accurate name - when I catch my internal dialogue, the thinking + words are in the context of explaining/justifying/presenting something to "someone"
The internal dialogue can serve a useful purpose for keeping lists temporarily. Because by repeating the lists, you focus your awareness on each element in succession.
It's very useful when learning amazing secrets of magic deep in the second attention, perhaps when being taught by the dreaming emissary.
Where memory of what you were taught lasts no more than 30 seconds.
With a list repeated in your internal dialogue (and nothing else in there), you might retain some of them, after you return to normal.
Not that this accomplishes anything...
All knowledge is available once you learn to see.
But at the time it feels valuable.
Might have some application to hunting back in primitive times.
So, the 'retarded cousin/story' in my apartment analogy, gets to visit (once they've been reformed) but can't be allowed into the common area where they will be a continual pest.
Idk I feel like it's way more practical than this. For example, how much benefit stalking brings alone. Not to mention that one time you made millions from silent knowledge 😉
Might have done it again...
The “list” internal dialogue was my biggest challenge. Maybe it is an IT related logical thinking thing. I found that using Roam Research notes to be my digital brain, linking and networking thoughts off loaded a lot of my daily mind clutter.
And with AI, you can get away with not having to figure out things lately.
All of my python code is now written by ChatGPT, in 30 seconds.
So the internal dialogue purpose is; translation of information from the second attention? the more silent the translator the better clearer translation.
Does the fact of the seer forgetting so quickly a bandwidth dilemma? And if so silence expands the bandwidth?
Is seeing the balancing of two forces? tonal and nahual? Awareness and unawareness? A dynamic equilibrium? Then the last layer of internal dialogue is the human body itself ?
This arise after a period of silence. I know I have to washed them too, but I get drifted sometimes. I'll surpass it. But when the idea appears I have to write it sometimes just in case to see if its nonsense.
Not translation!
To BLOCK it, so you don't even see it at all.
By forcing your assemblage point away from where the second attention becomes visible.
Forgetting is because of the same reason the internal dialogue makes it impossible to view the second attention.
Because each word has a "meaning" that only makes sense, with your assemblage point stuck up at the blue line on the J curve map.
Balance?
You've been watching too much Star Wars... I'm guilty of that too.
There's currently NO BALANCE between the first and second attention.
Mankind has totally rejected the second attention.
Except for the tiny amount they can't block, which are produced by meditative effects.
Mankind needs those, to steal money from people by pretending it's something profound. As experienced during praying, meditation, or with pretend magical system rituals.
That tiny portion is "useful".
Profitable.
So that even the tiny bit "Masters" get to perceive, is designed to keep us prisoner up at the blue line.
With an occasional visit a few inches lower, into the meager results of the green zone.
Thank you for this, I’ve been working furiously to silence my inner dialogue, this makes so much sense… any tips on kicking it out of my head?
Check the practices section in the sidebar.
Can you share what ways you've tried to stop the inner dialog, how you respond to them, what difficulties are at the top of the list for you right now?
There are layers to anything we do in sorcery. We say we move the AP around the j curve, but I suspect that the AP moves inwards and therefore perceives the "inner" layers of the energy cocon and the eagles emanation. So when we align reality from that point of view, you can actually "see" why this should not last forever. Your perception quite literally makes you different in "reality". Sorcery is very real so is practical magic also.
Dan likes to say that one shouldn't be concerned with practical magic, which is true, yet I can't help but say that practical magic is inevitable at some point. It's like this. If your able to reach silent knowledge, you would try to use it to get interesting information. Thats that.
So therefore the internal dialog is actually who you are. It's what makes your link to intent dirty. Btw everyone has a dirty link to intent. Moment you think yours is clean, means your lost. I mean NOBODY has a clean link to intent. It's simply not possible if your human (only the iobs have clean links). In the books Silvio manuel and Don Juan where said to have a perfect link to intent, which again I think is just a "temporary" thing. Nothing will make me believe you can just "become" a sorcerer. Sorcery is a ever lasting fight against the molds of everyday perception. NOTHING is given. So that's why the internal dialog comes back. To restore "balance" to your perception as it sees fit for you to be able to interact with other humans
Its a good if the words we hear come through automatically and arent hella insistent and focused on a vague sense of self or meager definition or useless justifications, etc. Pretty much just not wanted or needed. But somehow very easy to believe and "shine on" (because those fuckers know our vulnerabilities I'm assuming)
So if it feels like it's what you wanted to say, and actually effects reality
That's an "internal" dialogue that genuinely wants to exist by our own will
It's like your real personality, in unison with body/intent, calmly, or however the feeling is, interacting using language.
Anything else is literally an invasion.
And only serves to create shit and get in the way
I'm trying to find out how to kill those bastards.
So please calm down about the food chain insecurity
It makes me feel weak
When we're actually so powerful it's, literally, unbelievably amazing
We just have a vulnerability in being able to see ourselves that these cunts are adapted to infiltrate to change us
We're aware possessors of energy. Being hunted and bred like cattle by those dark masses. Because they (crazy, I had an amazing impression to describe what they do better than keeping energy at the toes, i think they really dont want me doing well in here) were able to reduce most of our energy to our toes, and keep it there. In my eyes. Those useless fucks just got lucky. And because they need our energy to do what they do, presumably, they got really damn good at it.
But the story of why they're even there and their total effect is probably so amazing and heart wrenching. That I'm probably even capable of loving those creepy bastards!
As soon as we reach a certain peak of power as a collective. Perhaps "up to the knees or legs" then they're utterly 100% absolutely fucked
We'll have war games to fight the foreign installations out of us
But clearly, we won't feel powerful enough to be so free with each other until we're even able to consistently relate sincerely to one another. All confidence. All vulnerability. That automatic use of words I'm talking about. Playing with actual reality. NOT making shit up.
Which requires this weird problem to go away where we reduce each others power and judge those who show too much as a reflex to not "go there" ourselves. The cultural hazing. Anti sex. Anti real honesty. Anti pain. Anti freedom. Etc
That's the kind of state they have us stuck at
We aren't defeated.
They're desperately controlling us to stay that unaware
Because their time is running out. Or their Influence. Grasp. Mobility. Idk how to describe how they function
Maybe once I can see from their perspective I'll be able to kill them. Or move informed enough through society to remove them.
But doing so might be so horrible and foreign and terrifying I'd die. Not a problem tho. Yall and the world and whatever else is all but ensuring my survival to carry that intent
Thankfully I'm pretty much willing to do anything to get to see and have sincere world shaking excitment with all of you
The loss is too damn hatred inducing. Fuels purpose. How many times I've seen friends and family and even plants and animals lose it. Phew fucking boy...
Not happening. This world is too beautiful
And it is a foreign installation of my own to want to present myself so much rather than act. It's actually quite humiliating. It's even more humiliating I can't always tell what's me and what's shit.
But I assume if I'm being defeated I might as well be defeated gracefully and share what may, come back around to boost me back up