Joel Schafer legit?

Is Joel Schafer a legit Castenada teacher who follows what Casteneda taught?

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2024-08-30 14:32

If I’m not mistaken, he came in here a few years back and eventually blew his top, creating his own subreddit (with no other members) as protest:

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_q7NADEHw-XgwM4LjgpsuQ

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u/Visual-Run-7525 1 points 2024-08-30 15:35

What do you mean, blew his top?

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2024-08-30 16:22

That’s how we describe what happens when the misinterpretations that some people walk in here with get invalidated, primarily with Dan. But also by those of us who have put in the time to clear our own misinterpretations.

I feel it necessary to reiterate that Dan does this to determine who clings so strongly to their beliefs/interpretation, that they’re unwilling to let go of them and are therefore incapable of actually progressing on this path.

And thus it is not only a waste of time for them to hang out in here, but an incredible distraction to others.

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u/Visual-Run-7525 1 points 2024-08-30 16:33

Got it, thank you!

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u/PuzzleheadedIdea8437 0 points 2024-08-30 16:34

Nobody is the arbiter of anyone progressing in anything.

Check yourself.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 3 points 2024-08-30 16:42

You don’t know just how messed up some people are, and how much collateral damage they can do if allowed to act out.

It might give you bad feels, but yes, some people are simply incapable of progressing with this without undergoing some kind of radical interior change.

What they can do is pretend, and trick others into joining them in that pretending.

This has been going on for decades in the broader Castaneda community.

Being tolerant about it was like throwing fuel on a garbage fire.

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u/PuzzleheadedIdea8437 0 points 2024-08-30 16:56

You've become an arbiter and haven't progressed much yourself—I call it how I see it.

You've invested more energy in the community than the actual sorcery.

See, I think everyone who was told to fuck off was given a gift.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 6 points 2024-08-30 17:10

Sorcery is a long road.

Made even longer, by having to deal with petty tyrants (and people who have had posts deleted by the mods and are irritated about it, like you.)

You can see for yourself just how much progress the people that have been banned from here, have made:

r/TheNagual

And yes, I care about the preservation of this knowledge and keeping it from being bastardized by profiteers….and that that didn’t take as much time as it does.

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u/qbenzo928 3 points 2024-08-30 15:52

Oh man...look at all those inventory words lol. Energetic shadow wound nonlinear shamanic derp derp derp lol.

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u/InnerArt3537 12 points 2024-08-30 14:37

Never heard about him, but a quick search rises many red flags:

  • He seels consultations and courses;

  • He uses terminology commonly used for profit or attention;

  • He doesn't really talk about magical results, it's just vague talk about concepts and so on.

I conclude it's best to not engage with his materials. His content seems to be just a marketing funnel intented to make you buy his courses and consultations.

Also, EVERYTHING you need is for free here, as it should be. So why bother?

Another thing is, in my opinion, everything you need to know should fit in simple sentences. What you need is to learn inner silence. That's just it. Everything about magic is just that. All practices are just ways to learn and further your inner silence. And all practices can be easily described in simple sentences. So a five minute search about a specific practice is all you really need. After that, just go practice as much as you can everyday and learn with the results, always striving to get more results.

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u/danl999 11 points 2024-08-30 15:21

He's seriously mentally ill to the point of asking, "Do you know who I AM??!!!"

Delusions of grandeur indicator.

Doesn't care about learning sorcery at all, just about convincing others he did.

I can't fathom why anyone would behave like that.

The things I get to do lately, would blow your mind!

Just because I practice seriously.

Cholita, another private class direct student of Carlos, does also.

I get to take her somewhere tomorrow. She won't tell me where, but the last time we headed that direction she lifted me up into the air a foot or two, with one finger.

So do yourself a favor and GROW UP.

How can you even ask about that horrible man?

What ulterior motivations have you got going? Did he promise you a franchise of your own?

Walking through solid walls and daily time traveling is the kind of reward you ought to be looking for.

The actual magic from the books.

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u/Visual-Run-7525 1 points 2024-08-30 15:35

When/where did he ask that?

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 4 points 2024-08-30 16:32

This the only result I can currently turn up based on his actual username on this subreddit:

Link pending

https://www.reddit.com/user/runningdownastream/

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 3 points 2024-08-30 16:49

"His understanding of power plants is way off" Huh. I never tried power plants, weird, almost like they are not required.

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u/danl999 6 points 2024-08-30 16:37

In his endless attempts to justify himself in public chat.

If they keep those chats going back that far, you can find it.

It's pretty awful.

As I recall, he started off saying sorcery was about "joy".

A typical point of view of someone obsessed with the first 3 books, and the stories of running around the wilderness of Mexico with real sorcerers.

Something, by the way, which is a total waste of time and which had nothing to do with teaching sorcery to Carlos. Carlos was taught in secret using the Nagual's blow. Didn't have to go anywhere! In that state, you can travel without moving.

I travel all over time and space nightly, without ever actually leaving my room. Fully awake, eyes wide open. Just like in the later books of Carlos.

But running crazy man was obsessed with duplicating the stories from the first 3 drug driven books, in order to impress people.

Meaning, getting high and running around in caves or waterfalls, with a tiny gaydar warning light going on, if you get my drift.

Just a hint though. But certainly, don't let him get you super high when you're alone with him.

Then he claimed to be a patient of Carol Tiggs.

Or was it Reni?

Insisting he knows Carol Tiggs so well that he's like a close friend, and we'd better not disrespect him or she'll be angry.

Also saying that it was all about how many "holes" you had, not about actually working hard to learn what Carlos wrote about.

I suppose he went to Reni for "Jungian Shadow Therapy".

Please... Just DON'T. Don't. Stay from pretending stuff like that.

If you ever want to learn sorcery.

The guy is even crazier than Cholita! A Josefina like direct student of Carlos and Florinda.

With the main difference being, Cholita breaks the laws of physics just for fun.

Running crazy guy on the other hand pretty much only steals money from people by pretending to have sorcery knowledge he doesn't.

He had a real chance in here, but was either too lazy, or too crazy to take advantage of it.