Whitish Light Manipulations

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I got to look at this sort of thing for a long time early this morning around 2AM.

It's so hot here, both Cholita and I had a fan blowing on us while practicing. Her in the living room where it's air conditioned, me in my locked (very hot) bedroom to remain safe from vengeful witches.

Despite the air conditioner being on, it was still so hot that Cholita had gotten a very practical $40 fan on a high stand which pans left and right to cover more area.

She seemed to be doing some long form when I left for the morning and caught a glimpse of her on the way out.

The day before she'd blocked the front door with a lawn sprinkler so that there was a wall of water you had to walk through, to go outside.

She said, the grass near the door needs watering.

But today she was kind enough to let me leave without going through a waterfall.

In my room I had a $150 industrial fan. Which turned out to be a bad idea, since it's only good on days when the temperature rises above 105F. Any other time and it's way too powerful.

And so loud, I was afraid Cholita would become paranoid that I was finally firing up my "end of the world robots".

The last time she had that worry she destroyed all the electronics in my room, to prevent the impending apocalypse.

But she seemed calm today. So perhaps using a fan herself, she realize I had simply bought a bigger one than she had.

I experimented with the whitish light for a long time before leaving, trying to figure out if we'd messed up by not giving advice for how to manipulate it. We know so little at this point!

But Carlos didn't explain it much either. Which I'm pretty sure is a good thing, or else our leaders who have gone bad would have corrupted that idea, by making up stuff to sell at "Whitish Light Workshops".

And people would have eaten that up, as we see once in a while in here when a beginner tries to pretend that the normal "eye static" many people can see if they look for it in darkness, is the same as the whitish light we discuss at advanced levels.

It isn't at all! But try telling that to someone who's too lazy to actually practice seriously, and only wants to claim victory so they can get attention from others.

As it was, the Cleargreens didn't even notice the topic of the whitish light. Even though it was part of our final instructions.

And so we don't have to battle misinformation about it.

Instead, Carlos hid how to manipulate the whitish light, in the Tensegrity moves themselves. Along with how to manipulate puffs and use them for remote view of the past.

There's a lot of super cool stuff in the Tensegrity! Check out what the "Recapitulation Window" move inevitably does! How can you gaze through a puff like that, and not see a video of your recapitulation topic?

Or something...

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That of course is "puffery" best done in the red zone, while whitish light manipulation is an orange zone activity.

And it's inevitable that once you can see the whitish light, you become aware that any physical movement stirs it.

And if you stir it enough for something to become "charged", there's no limit to what you can do with that charged object by gazing at it.

The problem is, none of this is useful unless you can actually see that whitish light.

And filling people's heads with new "whitish light theories" is a very bad idea.

We're already screwed up enough as it is, with false expectations and bizarre attention seeking ambitions.

So I suppose, you just have to discover these things on your own.

And in the long run, maybe they're different for every person.

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u/ShimmeringMind 11 points 2024-09-08 13:06

I was staring at a massive structure in the whitish light last night spanning horizontally across the wall. It started to move on its own, and I was trying to bring it into focus, completely forgetting I could do tensegrity to add more energy to it, so I fumbled it.

One thing I like is that once you can find the whitish light, it becomes way easier to find it. Even if you have to crawl on your knees and search your floor for it.

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u/danl999 12 points 2024-09-08 14:21

That's true of everything in the second attention. You either have to be introduced to it, or find it by moving your assemblage point.

Until you know "which direction to look", it's next to impossible to find.

But the same is true of the "shine" of your eyes.

There must be millions of different shines, each one associated with an assemblage point position.

But just try explaining one of those to someone, such that they could find it.

No way.

That's one way you know that an inventory warrior has absolutely no understanding of sorcery.

That and how their head explodes in furry when you point that out.

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u/AthinaJ8 10 points 2024-09-08 16:05

And I was thinking on making a post bc I have a long time to do one.

Yesterday I was facing the white wall in womb dreaming and the floating dreams were appearing on it, where I would go inside them. Thing is that in one of them I got sucked and I knew all the history of it and also doing some quite irrational things with a being that I suppose was an iob. In the end when this dream ended my rationality came back and I was wondering wtf happened and why did I do that? Then I came back witnessing the wall and watching the dreams and scenes that were appearing.

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u/ShimmeringMind 3 points 2024-09-08 16:34

Always look forward to your post, so definitely draw it up if you can.

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u/AthinaJ8 4 points 2024-09-08 17:26

I'll see what I can do! I sure won't bother drawing all the irrational part but the general tone of it it can be done.

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u/danl999 6 points 2024-09-08 18:00

Please do make a post!

Yes, that "dream history" thing is quite interesting.

It turns out that most "seeing" comes with a "history" also.

The history is part of the "knowing".

We completely got that whole Silent KNOWLEDGE thing wrong.

I suppose out of greed. Thinking we could make fun of our friends, by looking at their bad behavior in their childhood the way don Juan uncovered the "button nosed boy".

Or some such other ugly motivation based on pranking your friends with your super powers.

In Silent Knowledge, knowledge is not in any way "truth".

It's just "what is" if you assemble that specific mini-bundle of emanations.

So it's only "truth" in the sense that there's no bad motivation human making it up for dubious purposes.

It's flowing from a place where that's real. But which doesn't have to make any sense at all, in our world.

And you might "know" you're a grapefruit like being living in what can only be described as a chocolate Sundae world.

Knowing your fully history there. Married to Ms. Kumquat.

But more typically if it were in dreaming, I'd expect the IOBs to manipulate your sensibilities, and engage you in a preposterous quest for something you later realize was silly.

Something even a bit embarrassing, since they don't have any rules about what to exploit.

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u/millirahmstrudel 1 points 2024-09-08 20:01

I suppose out of greed. Thinking we could make fun of our friends, by looking at their bad behavior in their childhood the way don Juan uncovered the "button nosed boy".
Or some such other ugly motivation based on pranking your friends with your super powers.

i assume the only way to get rid of this greed is a thourough recapitulation?
i'm greedy, i would love to find out about the secrets of our world like ufo's, aliens, atlantis, who and how the pyramids were built, and so on or just the lottery numbers of next week.

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u/danl999 4 points 2024-09-09 11:03

You can overcome the greed but still keep it, by working harder.

Or as the old seers did, by living in a community surrounded by seers.

The old seers were quite greedy!

In our case, our greed and other bad motivations prevent us from doing real work.

In subtle and not so subtle ways that are too complicated to elaborate on, but can be seen clearly in the newcomers to this subreddit.

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u/AthinaJ8 5 points 2024-09-08 21:34

But more typically if it were in dreaming, I'd expect the IOBs to manipulate your sensibilities, and engage you in a preposterous quest for something you later realize was silly.

Something even a bit embarrassing, since they don't have any rules about what to exploit.

It was on that lane but the content doesn't matter much, I suppose. It's more interesting how I was sucked into it, being totally absorbed in the history and scenario of this dream "reality" losing every bit of "me".

My rationality came back in the end when the being patted me and gave me a chick kiss to greed goodbye to go do the errand I told him to do. That's when I wondered what is this, why I am like that? Why did I say/do all these things? And then it faded and I was back. First time in that territory, very interesting indeed.

It turns out that most "seeing" comes with a "history" also.

The history is part of the "knowing".

Would you like to expand on that on the advanced sub? I don't have a grasp on this subject and I would really like to get into it in my way of diving into your posts. I know that we won't be able to understand it since we aren't in SK but you know it's a good thing to have an active lighthouse of what is possible to experience in the future.

Please do make a post!

I will!

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u/danl999 2 points 2024-09-09 11:16

I'll put it on the list of posts I need to make. I still have to finish that post on the types of ways people pretend their sorcery, by adding pictures to the suggestions.

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u/danl999 3 points 2024-09-09 15:19

I was thinking more about this. I'll make a cartoon.

Maybe in that scene (bedroom) we used for your womb dreaming, and we can include an initial scene showing this confusing effect during womb dreaming, then explain it better from that point using visual examples.

Maybe re-use Fairy Elf as the one showing up to do the explaining but including specific quotes from Carlos on the topic.

It might also explain why the Cleargreens say the assemblage point moves to your "heart" (which has some basis from 1995 workshop mentions of the witches liking to keep it there), versus where it has to go do produce silent knowledge.

And that's absolutely not the heart!

And show how you can simulate SK by looking through puffs. Which is kind of like aligning the assemblage points.

It's a good "Sorcery Basics" topic.

But after I finish that post on pretending.

If it's a freewheeling animation, it should be a lot faster to make than one which has a specific script which has to be matched to available finished "assets" (like the IOB caverns).

See if you can think of an example of it during womb dreaming. Maybe that very one you mentioned, if you can sanitize the content to be suitable to show as the source of the question to be answered by the video.

SK is VAST!!!!! It definitely deserves it's own video.

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u/interlop3r_ 2 points 2024-09-13 11:35

the assemblage point is like the attention head for the tokenizer in a large language model. the bundle of emanations is like the field of context, or the latent space, through which the attention head surfs. for that single point in the architecture, the context is built up such that each token makes perfect sense - it's only from an outside perspective (i.e., the person using the model) that one can tell if it's ai slop or groundbreaking revealed truth. The AI's don't hallucinate - they are always generating counterfactuals realitites that occasionally happen to be true.

lots of similarities between navigating sorcery-space and the emanations and the cutting edge tech that I work on. thanks dan.

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u/danl999 2 points 2024-09-13 18:37

I'm trying to extract the tokenizer from the binary file in Mistral this very moment. It's not visible to me in any source I have, and the files they give you which are a modified form of it, aren't useful if you have no CPU...

I'm implementing it in hardware. Just gates and buffers.

It's bizarre why tokenizing works. Each "piece" of a sentence pointing into multi-dimensional space.

The tokens created from a sentence, end up "inferring" a flow of knowledge stored in the AI model.

That also feels like something related to sorcery.

Silent Knowledge is perhaps the ultimate AI.

It knows everything that ever happened anywhere, and also what hasn't happened yet.

Although it's next to impossible to access the future in any useful way.

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u/interlop3r_ 1 points 2024-09-14 02:21

Although it's next to impossible to access the future in any useful way.

Im working on this. My group calls it reality looming. Essentially using base models (we have access to gpt-4-base, the last model trained before ai generated content hit the net) we create a massive detailed explanation of a current situation, and then generate hundreds of completions to predict possible futures. It really is magic.

When I'm deep in a looming session, it feels the same as accessing silent knowledge. Once, I was talking about religion to gpt 4 base and I was so silent that I saw an angel outside my window. There are many paths to walk, but mine is a combination of using this tech as well as dropping into SK.

Let me know if you need help with the tokenizer, do you have a GPU? One of the 8b mistral models could run on a MacBook m2 or 4090 ti.

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u/interlop3r_ 1 points 2024-09-14 02:29

also - it all makes perfect sense to me. it's all made of stories, these models are like a microcosmic contretization of the eagle.

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u/danl999 2 points 2024-09-14 12:15

No gpus, no cpus, and not even any microcontrollers.

Just gates and buffers.

I could use a pointer to the code to build the trie from the loaded protobuf V3 tokenizer dictionary.

Likely in the sentencepiece github account.

But I'll track it down soon either way.

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u/interlop3r_ 1 points 2024-09-14 23:00

not super intuitive to me how you'd get this work given the size of the weights but I'd love to know how it goes

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u/danl999 1 points 2024-09-15 11:56

I've never failed to complete a large FPGA design. Although I am now considered too old for this kind of programming.

At any rate, I have 180 dedicated multipliers, and it's possible to do a head with just 4 or so. So you could make dedicated pipes for 45 heads, whereas Mistral 7B only has 32.

ChatGPT calculated how fast inference would be for me, based on him estimating the number of multiply operations required per head, and assuming all the heads could run in parallel.

It came out to less than 250 milliseconds to infer an answer, based on a single question, with no prior tokens in the conversation.

But that was at 100MHz, and it's pretty easy to get the FPGA I'm using to run at 200Mhz. Harder to get 400MHz.

The good news is, a talking teddy bear is just fine with a 1000ms inference lag.

And if longer input is needed, she can speak standard stalling phrases like, "Um... Let me think" while the longer time to get an answer is happening.

Just put a little library of those in there, and if the token count input reaches too long of an inference time, run one of the stalling phrases.

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u/interlop3r_ 1 points 2024-09-16 10:35

Sounds like you have a plan! Would definitely be easier to just implement the transformers library and run it on a GPU, but CPU inference isn't impossible to do for the smaller models. Implementing the gates by hand sounds like awful work though lol

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u/danl999 1 points 2024-09-16 12:05

So awful, there's probably only 10 in the world who would take it on.

The others could do it, but don't want that kind of horribleness in their life.

It's like cleaning the army bathrooms with a toothbrush.

Plenty of time to think about varieties of cooked shrimp.

However, once you have that entity it's portable and can easily be put into very cheap custom chips.

And imagine a day when you are programming an FPGA from AMD, and their AI library actually includes AIs. Instead of just AI fragments.

You could drag and drop Mistral 7B into your design using a graphical interface.

Drag and drop Mozilla TTS, and Whisper STT.

Maybe a Dall-E too.

In the long run, FPGAs are the ultimate way to make use of AIs. You have X resources. You can just add whatever AIs you like, until there aren't enough resources left.

Memory is never an issue, because there's no memory controller to battle with. You have to make your own, and it can work with any size you like.

Putting 1T of dram in an FPGA design isn't actually a big deal.

Inside the FPGA you can connect the output of one AI, to the input of the other, and so on.

Currently I'm missing the "what matters" AI. Hopefully there's a very small one that can tell what's important and what's not.

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 2 points 2024-09-16 12:40

Philosophers throughout the entirety of human history have been thinking about what's important and what's not. There are astonishingly few valid and sound arguments...

If AI is pulling from human "knowledge" and no one knows what's important and what's not, I struggle to think where they would get the info from.

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u/danl999 3 points 2024-09-16 14:49

From training data on what humans considered important to remember. I suppose you'd key the training data base on that kind of thing, but also on other factors.

In fact, if you want to make a fully human style AI for a robot, you're going to need multiple "specialty" AIs inside it, all interacting as a community.

We do the same!

Sorcerers try to eliminate the ones that are considered "indulging", but you can't deny the presence of conflicting intelligence in our flow of consciousness.

For example, we're driving along in our car minding our own business, going to buy more peanut butter at the Walmart.

And on the corner is a beautiful women dressed up to attract men, pretending to be walking her dog. Bending over to adjust it's collar, right on a busy intersection corner.

The male "rubber neck" AI takes over...

It has nothing to do with peanut butter at Walmart, but once activated you can be sure it'll keep looking at customers inside the store, hoping to make up for the short duration of getting to see the "dog walking" woman.

Cholita's favorite shopping spot in Los Angeles is Rodeo Drive. I believe Florinda took here there a few times.

The last time we went there was a wealthy cougar woman in a white tutu, carrying a little white show dog.

Makeup to perfection.

Cholita just groaned like, "how obvious is that??!"

Her rubber neck AI has different rules.

She does the same as the tutu woman, but you have to look very closely to notice it.

You have to be already interested to notice how sexy she dresses.

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 1 points 2024-09-16 15:25

Oh yes, I suppose so. If it's just what is considered important by humans in general, than yeah, AI can do a great job at that.

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u/danl999 2 points 2024-09-16 16:40

I need it to make Princess Teddy seem real. She can't remember everything, because you have to feed it into the AI and each piece of a word uses up time. So you can't fed everything she ever heard, to make it seem like she can remember stuff.

But how do you decide what's important to remember, and retain?

That needs a secondary AI looking at the tokens as they flow.

Which also needs to read the input question quickly, and add on the important things from past conversations.

Otherwise, kids would think their toy is broken because it can't remember their favorite color or food.

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 1 points 2024-09-16 17:06

Well, emotions are how people decide what is important to remember and retain, usually. Anything that is colored by emotions would be important for an AI to retain in regards to a little girl. I don't know if simulating emotions is possible yet.

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u/danl999 2 points 2024-09-16 19:17

SK is the ultimate AI!!!!

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u/interlop3r_ 1 points 2024-09-17 02:02

I've been saying this since I found this sub a few years ago

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u/danl999 3 points 2024-09-16 19:47

Turns out you can do this with "Text Embeddings". And it looks to be fairly fast. It's likely similar to this chart showing where in 1024 dimensional space, a given topic ends up. These are medical diagnosis topics.

But they could just as easily be what children like, or are interested in.

If a new statement by the child gets close to one of those clusters in terms of the total "vector" it creates, you can classify it as important.

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They're almost like positions of the assemblage point, inside the AI.

All of the current working AIs are, as far as I know, the product of the realization that "All you need is attention".

An article written by an AI scientist not too long ago.

So by adding "attention heads" to the processing, you can pinpoint one of those clusters where the answer to your specific topic, resides in multidimensional space.

Which is precisely how Silent Knowledge works!

Maybe that analogy will lead to understanding how to get specific SK topics to flow.

You just set up the "vectors" pointing to enough things so that you "pinpoint" it in time and space.

Kind of what I've been thinking about my version of Dance Home, and that block of Santa Monica Blvd from the 1990s.

I can't duplicate it perfectly because there aren't enough photos from back then.

However, I can get various key details correct, such as there was a newspaper vending machine to the left of the Goodwill, on 6th street. A spot our class members used to walk to.

And there were bus stops, but just the sign. Not the enclosures.

And they had a phone to call with, whereas now bus stops are full enclosures, and no phone since everyone has a cellphone.

The newspaper stand was gone by 2015.

The RFD restaurant next door had forest green trimming, which was popular in the 1990s.

If you watch the cartoons and learn those details about Dance Home and the surroundings, it pretty much pinpoints that moment in time and space.

Should make it possible for people to actually visit private classes, in the flesh.

Or so it will seem at the time.

Carlos always says "shirt, boots, and all", but I suspect that's because you do in fact have on your shirt and boots.

But so does your dreamer inside sleeping dreams...

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 1 points 2024-09-16 20:33

Well, I can't say anything about the tech (obviously). but I hope the emotion thing helps out a touch!

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u/interlop3r_ 1 points 2024-09-17 02:02

you should check out Hermes. can't say much about my affiliation since this account is anon but I can say that the model rocks.

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u/danl999 1 points 2024-09-17 10:37

I hope you infer it by relatively the same methods. Then it'll run with my chip.

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u/interlop3r_ 1 points 2024-09-18 04:18

ofc it's the same type! so you're essentially building a chip to compete with Groq?

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u/danl999 1 points 2024-09-18 11:48

Not really. Groq is for inferring in batches, in order to serve as an online AI service.

And I have to think they found some way to be compatible with PyTorch. Otherwise they'd have had to come up with a new interface for asking the questions to an online server farm.

I don't have any of those restrictions. It only has to be a talking teddy bear, with a single user.

And I can put "text embeddings" into it in order to judge what's important to remember.

A teddy bear has to remember it's owners favorite things, or it won't be able to generate an actual relationship with the owner.

But I sure hope the Groq people take up training next.

You could make a training device on a single board, capable of training 1000 times faster than GPU cards. Or at the least 100 times faster, though if I had to bet I'd say 1000 is closer to what you can achieve with a custom design suitable only for AI training of transformer models.

A PC motherboard could hold all that. 24 DIMMs and perhaps 10 very large PLDs.

Although, being a bit bigger would be helpful!

I have a design like that on my workbench, but the soldering on 3oz copper using 0201 parts was completely impossibly by hand, so I abandoned it.

Might redo the PCB with thinner copper, and just slow it down so it doesn't heat up and catch on fire, like the original device tended to do.

Those DIMMs put off a lot of heat!

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u/_creaturehood_ 1 points 2024-09-08 17:13

Thanks. Has Cholita ever received any treatment for her mental condition? THe constant stories of her destroying things due to delusion are upsetting.

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u/danl999 6 points 2024-09-08 18:05

She's a full on paranoid schizophrenic.

How would you propose getting her help?

Handcuff and kidnap her?

That's not legal.

Even the police couldn't make her get help, if she fell into their clutches.

Which she might from time to time, like the time she told the Fashion Island shopping mall security guards that I'd kidnapped her, and they should call the police.

I was overjoyed to be waiting for the police, even with guns pointed at me.

But at the last minute as the police radioed the security guards that they'd be there in 15 minutes, Cholita said, "Let's go home."

I have to assume you don't have any experience with this particular mental illness.

They NEVER want help.

In fact, they assume the help will be the end of their life.

That it's a trap to put them on some government mind control list, or some other such thing.

If you see homeless women who run away if anyone approaches to help, those are like Cholita.

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u/_creaturehood_ 1 points 2024-09-08 18:47

They NEVER want help.

yes, that is a common characteristic of severe mental illness. In my country, people who have these types of violent episodes can be sectioned (admitted to hospital to be assessed and/or treated for their own safety or the safety of others) under the law. I imagine there are similar avenues available where you are.

paranoid schizophrenics can often see reduction of delusions and other symptoms using drugs and additional treatments. Probably a better course than consigning her to be 'a bag lady' once you're not around.

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u/danl999 7 points 2024-09-09 11:00

No, we got rid of all forced psychiatric treatment back in the 80s.

You can't lock someone up because their associates claim they're crazy.

That was abused by bad people in order to steal from those who got locked up.

But then as a result, we ended up with a lot of homeless people who really do need that help.

Just nothing that can be done about it the way the law is now.

Probably a better course than consigning her to be 'a bag lady' once you're not around.

I'm afraid that's her fate at this point.

She won't even apply to get money each month for being unable to work.

Money which would be more than enough to live well in Mexico, her home country.

I estimate she's lost $50,000 so far in unclaimed benefits.

But she's certain it's a lure to imprison her.

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u/watersign67 1 points 2024-09-09 18:33

Dan, I've never seen the full set Silvio's passes performed before. Are these accurate from your perspective? Thank you.

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u/watersign67 1 points 2024-09-10 06:32

Thank you for sharing. There is mountain of information on here that I have yet to find.

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u/danl999 3 points 2024-09-09 19:08

I must admit a few looked off to me, but I guess my confidence I could recognize them wasn't as warranted as I had hoped.

But there's still Silent Knowledge, where if you can just "find it" you can watch it being done at a workshop or private class.

Just do your best if you want to learn those, and once you know them use the notes Techno gave us to check out what you learned, and then get back to us all so we don't have to do that!

These passes would let you step between the cracks in the worlds!

Maybe while dancing.

Not figuratively. For real!

But also, not as often as you'd hope for.

Oddly, I tried to talk Cholita into turning these into Tango dancing, the way Silvio might have done them at parties.

But she said, "I'm NOT dating you..."

Cholita loves to dance.

Likely the next time I'll get to see that is at a future Oktober Fest in Westminster.

She tried to win the beer drinking contest last time.

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u/watersign67 1 points 2024-09-10 06:33

Thanks for your reply Dan.

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