I’ve been reading through this community for some time and have noticed that very little or no emphasis is given to physical health practises and I felt curious why. In my life I have the understanding that our culture is filled with toxic elements which function as control mechanisms through lowering the physical vitality and preventing the achievement of any meaningful inner work. I am talking about emf, toxic foods, addiction to brain rot entertainment devices etc. Why is it that I go live in the jungle for 3 months and I achieve so much, my internal dialogue begins to shrink and I can sit for extended periods. Then I come back to the city and I feel this progress disappear. In my mind I attribute this to is emf and have developed the opinion that it is important to disengage from these toxic elements of our culture so the mind can operate properly.
I am curious why this is not spoken about here. I know the members of this community are achieving magical states unrivalled by any other community so I understand my belief must be false. Is it because the practises here unite you with so much lost energy that conventional health practises pale in comparison and become irrelevant? Is it perhaps implied here that you are maintaining a certain level of vigilance for your health?
I hope this question is received well and appreciate any response
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Darkroom Practice is the mother of healing!
It gets straight to the point of eliminating the pain caused by being stuck in the ordinary assemblage point position.
The other techniques tend to surround the issue, avoiding the hard work but missing out on the deeper results.
In this case, believing that going to the jungle is necessary to be able to do magic is deceiving yourself.
Just practice as hard as you did there.
That topic leads to pretending your results, and could in fact destroy this tiny chance we have right now, to save everything from being lost forever.
We can only afford to focus on real, visible magic. Induced by silence.
And if you didn't see astonishing magic while you were in the jungle, you didn't get rid of your internal dialogue in any meaningful way.
You'd have a LOT more to talk about other than your physical health if you had.
Probably it would be closer to "am I going nuts?!"
I almost checked into a hospital while in Asia a decade or two ago, because I was practicing silence quite heavily while on a stalking trip for a couple of months, and fell into "heightened awareness".
The only reason I didn't check into a hospital is because my translator told me they'd never let me out.
Thus, I'm not sure why you thought you got silent enough to have it be an indicator of some progress.
Progress is when a portal opens up in front of you, and a couple of demons step out into your room.
While you're fully awake and completely sober.
HOWEVER, so as not to seem unfair about it, as don Juan said, sorcerers must be in "tip-top shape".
There's very good reasons for that! But best people find that out after they get there. Where being in "tip-top shape" produces magical benefits.
So being healthy would be a natural topic of interest in here, except it will absolutely, 100% guaranteed, lead to destructive pretending.
Even without it, we have a new form of pretending try to rise up every couple of months!
How to be healthy shouldn't lead to pretending.
But it will.
All the fake magical systems love to pretend they know how to keep you healthy, saintly, and superior to others.
Myself, you wouldn't believe how far I go to stay healthy.
So I don't mention it.
Although I do have a new wine formulation I'm proud of.
I don't eat any sugar at all, which means I miss out on the anthocyanins in berries.
So I ferment a combination of elderberry, aronia, black currant, blueberry, pomegranate, and concord grape juices.
Resulting in a 4% wine with no sugar at all. Not even any starches, because I add amylase to let the yeasts consume that too.
It's dense in a variety of exotic anti-oxidants.
But I sure don't make that for the taste...
Wich yeast do you inoculate?
For berry juices that are a little acidic, 71B can consume as much as 30% of the fruit acids and is said to leave a better taste for berries.
If it's a concentrate without dilution, such as blueberry juice concentrate, I'll use K1V1116 which supposedly can go to 20% under ideal conditions.
At 20% the blueberry wine concentrate will keep permanently, and when you want some just dilute it 5 times and it'll be back to normal strength, with an alcohol content much lower than beer.
The alcohol is also actually good for you, if you consume very weak drinks and don't exceed 2.
There's arguments lately about liver and colon cancer increases, but they tend to ignore that if you eat fruit, you're consuming alcohol. It's always in some stage of fermentation.
Carlos drank a bit, and my suspicion is that the entire lineage liked their parties.
Likely if you got Zuleica drunk, she'd dance for everyone the way Cholita might do when drunk.
Certainly Josefina must have or Pablito wouldn't have admired her so much.
Or was that one of the other of the Genaros who had a thing for Josefina?
Wine making definitely counts as magic
i still maintain Jesus was a great sorcerer. and he turned water into wine so.
Check out the image on the Shroud of Turin; makes you think he burned from the fire within
And how exactly are you going to learn sorcery, or any magic at all, from that?
Go pretend elsewhere, this is a serious place.
Not that relics aren't a fascinating topic, especially that one!
But it's only a path to becoming a christian groupie/zombie.
And that whole religion is just Jewish make believe.
Their magic system (Qabalah) is totally lame. Barely produces beginners results compared to what's in this subreddit.
Not really. They're pretty horrible with zero sugar.
I might start cheating and use a fruit with a little sorbitol in it, so that it can't ferment away.
I'm experimenting with sour cherry juice right now, to see how much sweetness survives the fermentation process.
Haha sour juice then. Mmm sounds torturous.
Maybe maple syrup?
I'd go for sorbitol first.
That all makes sense and looks like an amazing drink. Thank you
I guess such practices play a limited role because you realize that the biggest toxin is not your emf or heavy metals in your food and whatnot but your internal dialogue and self pity. Those are the real enemies
Your question touches on something profound, yet misunderstood by many and is something I struggle with too.
You speak of health practices, the body, and the environment as though they are the cause of your internal state. This is a natural belief, but it is also part of the trickery of the mind—what Don Juan called the tonal.
In the jungle, you break away from the rigid structures of the tonal. You are closer to the earth, more aligned with natural forces, and your internal dialogue diminishes. But it is not because the city poisons you or because EMFs interfere. It is because you are learning, briefly, to loosen the grip of the tonal. But when you return to the city, the tonal reasserts itself because it is deeply embedded in your way of being.
Your progress disappears when you return to the city because the city reinforces the tonal, and you have not yet learned to quiet it in all environments. The jungle is a crutch, a temporary setting that helps you focus. The true challenge is to bring the silence with you, wherever you go.
Our modern culture has no concern for true vitality.
You can’t go outside without breathing in carniogens, or getting your daily dose of microplastics.
Let alone rely on the programming instilled by your culture to live a lifestyle that’s good for you.
So in that regard, Action should be taken. We really should be living in the jungle. or atleast closer to nature.
Yet as another commenter posited, our awareness should remain unimpeded by the tonal. So careful not to compensate for work left undone, with a cushioned environment. strike a balance.
But it ultimately comes down to impeccability. The optimization of energy—including tonal body health.
Impeccable choices you won’t be alligned to make, if you aren’t doing the sorcery work.
Health choices become second nature and self-explanatory after sustained practice, mitigating the need for much focus.
The greatest possible control element is inside of you, it's your internal dialogue. All of those things can be looked at once you have a measurement tool, which requires something you can see and being awake (and of course to measure something it helps to be sober too). But yeah, I suspect most of us check different things out on the side. I like lion's mane mushrooms a lot personally.
Are some of you who attended the private classes also in such a good shape like Don Juan was. Who had the body of a 20 year old athlete.
Was Carlos in such a good shape?
Or is it simply impossible to get that much power and endurance, because we are not surrounded by a whole group of seers?
Do you think that Don Juan was with Carlos physically every time?
Was he in his double? Like genaro?
"Tell me something, don Juan," I said, half in jest. "Are you yourself or are you your double?"
He leaned over towards me. He was grinning.
"My double," he whispered.
My body leaped in the air as if I had been propelled by a formidable force. I ran to my car.
What do you think? Maybe sometimes he was with Carlos physically, but not every time. Don Juan was definitely tough though, as an Indian who spends time outdoors doing hard labor.
Still so many questions.
So when Carlos was hanging out with DJ’s double, was he always interacting with something immaterial? I always thought the double was something that didn‘t really belong to THIS ordinary reality. Something that is lost in other realities.
So how could genaro or DJ bring their double into this reality. Was their double only visible to Carlos or would other people also notice DJ’s and DG‘s double?
Your questions don't help you at all. Better to work on your silence. Let's say that sorcery lets you entice your double back to you.
Honestly, you are going to need to be able to commit to solo practice to make it. The books have the information you need, so these rambling lines of questions don't help you at all. I spent several years by myself practicing before I found this subreddit and now I practice what's in this subreddit, because it's a useful piece of information. The sub is only useful for practice and pragmatism, otherwise you are just playing around here for attention.
He was in very good shape. But more than his physical shape was his vitality, he was younger than any of us 20-year-olds.
I can't deny that inner silence also leads to a better awareness of the body, so that you can sense what's more wholesome, even though it doesn't count as a culinary specialty. No actual sorcery, but kinda side effect.
In spring, smoothies are made from young stinging nettles. In the fall, Jerusalem artichoke roots are dug up. Both plants are fairly easy to care for. Warning: The real problem would be getting rid of them if you wanted to. And in summer, pea seeds are grown, which can be used to germinate sprouts all year round. I've chosen these three easy-to-handle plants as my high-quality sources of nutrients.
I also bought a drinking water system made from food-safe materials, which has reverse osmosis at its core. My aim was to ensure that at a certain point a system basically separates out all foreign substances that could be in the water, so it works like kinda firewall. Because nobody can actually say what's in the water, because you can only detect the substances that you test for in the laboratory. Everything else remains undetected. And even if you have a sample tested for everything in the laboratory today, nobody can guarantee the same water quality for tomorrow. Over time, a taste for clean water gets developed. Then most of the other water tastes somehow contaminated, even though all legal limits have been met.
Could you please name your water filtration brand? I have reverse osmosis filter too, but some of filtering membranes are made from plastics unfortunately
Filtration brand is BestWater.
My personal opinion is that you need to have a healthy body to do sorcery. It makes it much more difficult for me to achieve anything when I am ill or when my body is not feeling well, such as when I had an accident and was in pain. I can feel a difference if I don't eat or rest well. I am very sensitive to those things, so it could vary in different people. Castaneda used to say that young people can do or eat whatever just because they are young, but as you get older things affect you much more, so you can no longer have a few beers at night, stay up late and feel fine 6am for your running routine. But the fact that they don't feel the impact doesn't mean it's not detriment to their health on the long run.
I can speak from experience that lack of sleep definitely has a negative impact. I haven’t slept more than 4-6h the whole week, and I’m finding it difficult to practice more than an hour straight. I do think you need to have a base level of health to be able to really, seriously, and truly progress. But idk. Best not to despair and just try your best. Don’t obsess about possible pollutants, either. They are everywhere and that path leads to neuroticism. However, minimizing them is good. I second the reverse osmosis filter suggestion. Selenomethionine supplementation to reduce the risk of mercury toxicity, et cetera.
Speaking of, was diagnosed high cholesterol a year ago, and I wasn't an extreme health nut but I've followed close to a Paleo diet but allowing other stuff, just avoiding sugar and processed food. Still in my late 40s and lipid test wasn't good. So I slowed down alcohol almost to zero, and went also on a Mediterranean like diet, oats, grains, fish twice a week, avoiding saturated fats. Lost some weight like 15 pounds and one year later my LDL went down only 8 from 218 to 210, total Cholesterol is now 293, down from 323, it's still very high. Doctor wants me to take statins. I've never taken any medicine before and this one is for life. I know this regards the Tonal rather, but isn't it past of sorcery, the talk about discipline and also Don Juan was very adamant about the physical health giving some dietary advise about sugar and moderation. Tensegrity in the book, Don Juan mentions how it improves well-being and physical vitality, and so on. I remember taking medicine is frowned upon, but in absence of a Nagual giving you natural medicine, what else can one do? It's there any consensus here, would taking this medicine affect sorcery progress in any way, shape or form?
So, I have an opinion that humans largely overeat animal matter, still. As an example, chimpanzees eat roughly 6% of their calories in the form of animal matter. That would be roughly two eggs every day total in my case. It is possible to calculate out calories, as well as macros daily using either an automated excel spreadsheet (or in the old days, bodybuilders used food journals).
I measured my wrist to determine my ideal body weight, and started cutting calories down to that weight, and spent almost all of my free time gazing during the transformation. I dropped 35 lbs, because I wanted to transform to be more like what I thought of for sorcery.
If you figure out what your daily calorie requirements are, you can find out how much fish you need per week to be like a chimpanzee, and I suspect that you are overeating in comparison.