So this has never happened to me before in this case so I’m a bit lost to what’s happening to me
In the past when iob tried to get at me it was because they tricked me in dreaming (you take something you pay for it)
Sometimes one of those iobs would push me in a phantom room of my house to give me a little help
Less than one month ago a iob pushed me into a dream and we were fighting. At one point in applied a sharp pressure between my shoulder blades and I woke up tired. The weird thing is that I didn’t lucid dream for a while so naturally I didn’t fall for any tricks
5 days ago it did the exact same but this time I managed to “win” the fight it seemed like, idk if it’s because it was going easy on me or if I just had the energy.
A voice then came to me and told me they don’t usually give 2nd chances when they offer something, and asked me why I don’t go back and live like an intolerable human. My 1st gut instinct was telling me not to trust this voice and whatever offer this was.
Well tonight same things happened again, and I’m realising the iob attacks when I’m weak. If I binged eat and was a bit high in my emotions that’s when it acted
Tonight it made sure to scare me in my room because I thought if it happened again I would just run away. But I can’t really run away if I’m in my bed.
I woke up and since it’s nearly time to wake up I thought I won’t take any chances to go back to sleep because I don’t know why it’s doing that
So I’m lost and need some answers if anyone knows what happening ? Because they’re annoying
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Do you mean you were awake and the IOB forced you into a dreaming state?
What does it look like??
No while falling asleep they forced me into lucid dreaming
How do you know they forced you? What direct information suggests this? Curious
Because my day was a bit chaotic yesterday and I didn’t do any gazing or anything to enter dreaming. While falling asleep a iob appeared in a dream image just like the last time and I had series of lucid dreams where it’s just trying to get at me
Are you male?
Yes
Do you look at your hands daily in dreams?
No maybe once / twice a month, it’s kinda random
Then more likely than not, it's just a dream. If you don't have control to view your hands, how would you establish that you are dealing with an IOB and not just dreaming about IOBs?
Because I’m aware it’s a dream but I don’t have control on it, maybe lack of energy idk, It’s like it’s just playing with me
Have you tried commanding it to stop? My IOBs chase me and terrorize me in dreams, too. But usually they follow instructions… after the fact.
Yes in the 1st dream I said leave me alone but it didn’t do anything
And in the 2nd dream I shouted stop, but seems like it’s coming back, that’s why I’m confused about the whole situation
Okay. Go have a cold shower, so cold it makes you scream, you'll be better after that.
I'm new and don't know much, so I just follow Danl999's insistent suggestion to look at my hands and then an object and back at my hands, to establish that I'm indeed dreaming. If I don't do that, it doesn't matter how "lucid" or "aware" I'm in the dream, I consider that NOT dreaming. Just a regular dream.
So, my suggestion is that you look at your hands and then look around you and back at your hands, to make sure that you're indeed having a REAL dreaming experience with an IOB. Just doing this could/maybe make a difference.
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How did the iob appear
Idk, some weird demon, i usually have this female demon that comes to see me and she always keeps the same face
But during this last 2 encounters it was a different face
Because my day was a bit chaotic yesterday and I didn’t do any gazing or anything to enter dreaming. While falling asleep a iob appeared in a dream image just like the last time and I had series of lucid dreams where it’s just trying to get at me
I get attacked all the time in dreaming. IOB attack me from behind with a knife or start to fight with me in genreal a lot. In the past I was driven crazy by them, but now I got enough rationality in my dream to calm them down, because I know why they are doing it. I always command them to appear pleasing and try to calm them down, but sometimes it doesn‘t work. They really often want to wrestle you and I really don‘t know why.
Monkeyguy gave me a „zooming out“ technique where you zoom out and kind of fly backwards, because then they can‘t follow you, because you don‘t even know yourself where you are flying. But if I don‘t have enough rationality in my dream, it also doesn’t work properly.
One day while falling asleep n IOB lietrally slapped me on my head and I told them that I‘m sick of that and I‘m ready to interact with them, but only in different ways ifykwim. The next day an IOB tried to justify itself that it wasn‘t him who hit me. So yeah.
After reading a few of Carlos’ books, my sleeping dreaming suddenly became REAAALLLYY lucid without even intending it, maybe a gift from intent to make sure that my idea of the reality falls apart.
At first it was really interesting and cool but now it‘s only tiring the more lucid I am. Gazing is way cooloer in my opinion. I‘m on a bus driving to Berlin now and I‘m gazing all the time here with music in my headphones. Especially if it‘s still dark outside it is really amazing.
Now that you mention it, I did read all his books a 2nd time 1-2 years later
When they attack me it doesn’t really scare me and I try to stay detached. They’ll make me jump if I don’t expect it. But they’re a pest and they sometimes just empty my energy and I wake up tired and irritated
I wake up kind of tired but awake at the same time, but my body is craving for sugar like you would have the munchies after smoking weed. Dreaming can feel exhausting that‘s why I dont really like it. For me it’s a complete waste of energy because I see no use in it.
What’s funny is that when I celibate for more than a few days dreaming stops immediately. Normally it should be the other way around I thought. You celibate and have more energy and can „afford“ dreaming. But for me that‘s not the case.
You had this tagged with the "4 Gates Dreaming" flair.
This is not 4 Gates Dreaming, per the back and forth already logged above with one of our moderators, and the flair has thus been changed.
Please re-familiarize yourself with our Wiki page (and it's choice entries) on 4 Gates Dreaming. It has precise steps, gates, which must be laboriously worked on and "passed."
Being lucid is just the VERY first step on that intent path
You can't discipline them in dreaming. You have very little energy since you can't command yourself to find your hands there.
My opinion is to do waking dreaming and meet them there where you have control over the interaction. They want the interaction so when you change how you meet them they will change approach. And they will help you progress more easily in Darkroom.
If you don't want to have interactions with iobs just ignore their presence like they are an ex annoying you that you don't want to do anything with. In the beginning they will persist but later since there is no energy exchange they will go. You have to lose complete interest in them.
Doing tricks and games with them in dreaming is just an interaction that reinforces itself. So get serious, decide what outcome you want and apply the right strategy.
It's a common attention seeking mechanism in here to pick on the allies as evil and out of control.
We see that perhaps once a month, for the last 5 years?
Better give that up, or go elsewhere.
And keep in mind, Carlos Castaneda's warning about telling lies about the Allies, implying they don't like that at all.
What was that at the end of Kung Fu Panda 4?
"No one cares about your feelings", was it?
But said ironically because the villain in the cartoon said it earlier on and at that point got it said right back in her shapeshifting face.
You kind of don't care about ours, that's clear. So there you go.
Do you remember the 3 bad bunnies from the movie?
I was told im just like them : super cute, deadly and vicious. Thankfully we agred that I'm not mad like them bc they did some superfast transitions from cute to mad and then cute again lol
I like how the movie makes fun of Chinese "masters".
And their pretending for the most part.
Could be a turn in western culture, where we've become familiar enough with Asian crap magic, to reject it the way Asians mostly do.
They know it's fake, because they've lived with it for thousands of years.
We just have to make sure our sorcery doesn't become widely known as fake, due to all the fake teachers feeding off our community.
I have no idea what you mean