Hello everyone. Been reading this sub for few months, and started to get into practising. I am not native speaker, so pardon my english.
I have seen colors my eyes closed [edit: also eyes open in certain conditions], mostly pink&violet flame, but now recent experience was swirling pearly colors mixed, like a rainbow and that is new. It got me excited again to try.
I have been using also white noise as a tool to sleep, and when I was listening waves I saw it briefly. I have succesfully got it again without tapes after that.
I have seen in darkroom something appearing briefly, it's like a different flame or spark in "top" of all that color, it is like in a different layer and it got my attention.
Another question about hands, I have been teached as a child specific gesture, where I cross my fingers almost like in praying and theres pressure then, almost pain. Would that be good in darkroom to clear my mind? That is something I remembered from childhood that I have been forgotten for a long time.
Thank you for your work.
(Edited spelling and added words to correct meaning)
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Hello.
Darkroom is done with eyes open while forcing silence and doing tensegrity. You can use a room that is totally dark or a 3D sleeping mask to make artificialy total darkness.
We don't do darkroom with closed eyes. What you do reminds of chair silence that is done with closed eyes.
If you want something to help you with silence you can take a look at the silence rocks.
Ok thanks for the link, I have a few stones already good for this. Been picking weird stones and using them mainly as decorative.
How about mirrors, should I remove them or put some blankets over? I need a new place if those are too, how would I say, powerful for me in darkroom.
Funny thing, as a child I would stare eyes open so long that world & colours started to chance. Until I got lectured about bad eye vision. Good training for this
Hey, another beginner here. I've stared at colors since I was a child, too. Have seen swirls and twisting lines but never anything that feels "out of this world". Per a conversation on here, the advice from an experienced practicer was to expect & look for MAGIC by forcing silence, the danger being that you get obsessed with an evolving internal dialogue that is projecting "ooh wow look at that" into your vision, but it's still all "HERE", not otherworldly. Within a few days of adjusting my approach I saw something actually strange and surprising, so much it startled me out of my practice in confusion.
It’s like full-on adhd sometimes, if one is too stimulated from days activities.
So for that I have realized I need to ground myself by some ceremonies or rituals before, so that I observe no matter what. I really have to start to practice disiclipine more to my actions in my everyday life.
After a moment's pause, don Juan explained that in the same measure that ritual forced the average man to construct huge churches that were monuments to self-importance, ritual also forced sorcerers to construct edifices of morbidity and obsession. As a result, it was the duty of every nagual to guide awareness so it would fly toward the abstract, free of liens and mortgages.
"What do you mean, don Juan, by liens and mortgages?" I asked.
"Ritual can trap our attention better than anything I can think of," he said, "but it also demands a very high price. That high price is morbidity; and morbidity could have the heaviest liens and mortgages on our awareness."
Ok, I’ve always have lived thru chaos and chaotic ways, broken my usual ways and routines. I have disliked the ritualistic behaviour because those haven’t felt right.
I understand those are toils to believe in what they do.
By rituals or ceremonies I meant to be on the mindset to do something, but I get your point. That would trap me.
Maybe I just clean my room and shower everyday from now on, and keep the spot empty from things where I sit/meditate.
If you're not in the right mindset to do it, sometimes it works even better.
I just wanted to make sure you weren't interfering with your own progress by doing "ceremonies or rituals".
Hmm, 3d sleeping mask, that would be for me until I find better room.
In some other forum there was talk about ping pong balls cut in half, and put over eyes so people would see hypnagocic visions with them. So I was thinking those would be light enough to be comfortable to wear, and painted with some non-toxic paint. Or painted swimming goggles.
there are reasonably priced silk sleeping masks on amazon with adjustable straps that work great
What Techno said was exactly what I was going to ask. Which one of those have worked for you so that you can keep your eyes open? The ones I've seen don't seem to have enough room.
I'm able to open the straps to be loose with these: BeeVines Sleep Mask, 2 Pack 100% Real Natural Pure Silk Eye Masks with Adjustable Strap for Sleeping, search on amazon
Perfect, thank you!
Just be sure there is enough room under the mask for your eyes to remain open, and not have your eyelashes constantly brushing against the fabric. That's maddening!
Yeah I have long lashes (maybe some desert trait from distant relatives) and cant even wear certain sunglasses, know what you mean!
>Another question about hands, I have been teached as a child specific gesture, where I cross my fingers almost like in praying and there's pressure then, almost pain.
Cholita did that when she got into the car coming back from the international terminal at LAX after being nearly trapped in Mexico City.
I had no idea what she was up to. It was clearly a spell.
But be careful about outside magic. The people teaching that don't have your best interests in mind. They're victims, passing on the victimization to others.
It's 100% pretend (aside from meditative effects you can get by many methods that don't require believing in anything), and it leads to picking up religious delusions which can make it impossible to learn the real thing.
But as I mentioned, witches pick up all sorts of things and make them work for real.
That victim thing, I havent thought it that way or said it aloud, but it resonated with certain things.
Maybe the stones are my best bet. I have been picking up interesting stones on my trips (mainly because they caught my attention and I have a thing for stones), some of them are feeling good this purpose.
And now I have a good reason/excuse to go outside looking for those specifically.
Little update.
I did some tensegrity yesterday in almost dark, I didn’t have the intention to fully train, just for exercise and to calm myself down. And breathing exercise. I think it’s good for the body and I tried to remember some of the moves, and the realization that I need to learn them with guided videos.
It worked so differently what I expected, I almost had to cry after that, because it felt like something deep woke up inside me and it took away all the shields I have built for myself this year.
I realized more of my actions and it made me humble for the people I care about. It worked good, because that is what I’ve been looking for, it was hard to let go of my egoism and to accept those things.
I started to get to this in couple months and I think this was good experience in all its truth and realizations. I know I have to do recap to let go of certain things. Because achieving silence would require me so much steel like mind, if I don’t process those things. That is my shield and it slows my process down. It is flooding my thoughts. I know I can dance it away, because that is what it needs.
It’s been fighting this everyday shit that I know I can let go and give it a rest.
Same thing happened in my youth when I took mushrooms to get to know myself. And now I know it’s me, not the mushrooms or anything that strips me of my ”everyday let me handle this shit” -side of myself, what is my fighter side of ego of me.
And I think this is all I have to say about it anymore, its my personal thing to handle and I think this realization about this process is all I want to say.
That I know now it works, and it was good and can be much more if I work with it. I know I know nothing about this. I know those mysterious things are possible, and I can’t just wait them to happen by some divine force.
Have you tried closing your eyes, and having specific light colors in the background? Like the LSD experiments when america was trying to remote view? Like those ridiculous half pingpong ball glasses setups?