Well, I did it. Tensegrity in the dream body. Lobster strike immediately lit up my surroundings in full color and changed the environment immediately. My house was not the exact copy that I’ve been used to but slightly different. It also made things much more “wavy” for lack of a better term. Not sure if it was lobster strike or the turkey waddle pass (can’t remember the name) but I was able to explore for waaaay longer than I have before . A few things I did; found a mirror. Weird looking at my face with no eyes but I guess that’s how it be in that space. Did more lobster strike in front of the mirror. Went outside and lobster strikes the front yard. Thought maybe the dream police would show up for the crazy naked man throwing knife hands in the air at 4-am so I flew up in the air. The smells were amazing. Like fresh lilac and lavender. Eventually I started feeling like my chest and arms were being constricted and I panicked a little bit then woke up. All in all… That. Was. Intensely. Awesome 😎
Anyone else with similar experiences? Please share!!
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A comment you made last night with an additional bit of info:
https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1gv195q/blurring_the_dreaming_barrier/ly0zln4/
And there are some users in here that would want to know if you were born with a womb, because of the direct channel to dreaming that provides.
Born without a womb. Some history about me. Several years ago I consciously went to sleep in a dream in an attempt to escape being trapped in a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream. I did some googling and found this group which brought back a slew of memories, having read several of the books 20 years earlier. I started to do darkroom meditation (admittedly minus tensegrity and mostly sitting/laying down) fairly regularly. Darkroom very quickly led to puffs, which quickly led to dropping directly into my dream body; usually in a direct copy of my house. I can do this almost every night and finding my hands in those dreams has been a trivial task. I am 100% lucid and fully awake both during and after this transition. So fully awake that I have learned to move both bodies independently (comes with intense effort). For example, if I yell with enough energy and intent in my dream body I can make my “real” body make noise. I feel like I’m able to achieve a pretty deep level of silence fairly quickly these days and the transition happens within 20-30 minutes. Of note: I very rarely remember my regular dreams and rarely go lucid in them (a few times per year, maybe).
Lobster strike produced such awesome results that I will starting with the 12 passes in Volume 1 by practicing once daily after dinner and attempting them all in my dream body house copy!,
What a time to be alive! It’s really cool to have something to be excited about!
Dreams where you are around your own house are worth noting, especially if they come with some kind of energizing sensation, or even intense bodily fear on looking at something and having it seem to be a real item from your real home.
That's the "real energy generating" effect most likely, although just because part of your dream overlaps with a real energy generating range of emanations, doesn't mean the whole thing does.
I believe one of the witches in here had that experience the other day.
However, usually if you think back carefully the version of your home is wrong in many ways.
Maybe even so horribly wrong, that you have to rethink the idea that you were "lucid" at the time.
For example, it is indeed your real home.
But from 20 years ago.
Or that the bathroom looks perfectly real, except there's a tribe of pygmy humans living on top of the toilet paper roll. Which you conveniently overlook because you're convinced your doing real magic and don't want anything contradicting that feeling.
Which is more complicated than it seems on the surface since that might just be an IOB attempt to take over the dream.
Always try to remember when exploring a dreaming realm where you believe you've made it into the real world, that any "contradictions" can easily be the inorganic beings trying to take over that situation.
Using worry and doubt. Which is rather ironic.
Lobster strike...
I hate that pass. Can't figure out why. Maybe it's too scary to watch when Kylie does it.
But essentially that magical pass stretches the back in an arch and propels your "feelings" forward, dragging energy that was crusted on the back.
Dreaming energy... The puffs are indeed dreaming energy (kind of).
I don't know if that works the same when you are asleep, but it's worth keeping in mind.
So that Lobster strike can in fact materialize a dream in front of you, like a movie screen.
But be warned that if you do something a couple of times it becomes "polluted" with your expectations and desires, and commonly won't work anymore.
In fact, sorcery is almost a process of discovering magic, screwing it up royally with greed, and then using the same greed as your motivation, moving onward to try to find more.
Never managing not to mess it up and make it go away, until you reach Silent Knowledge.
Which is like a huge candy warehouse, so that you no longer care about individual things and don't mess them up as badly.
Scrooge McDuck in his vault no longer has to cling to every single gold coin.
How do I get from awake dreaming in my house to silent knowledge? I think I will try doing more silent meditation while I’m in my dream home. A sort of darkroom-ception to try and get deeper?
I'm going to add a side note here for you and dor others reading.
You have found a door to your double that is a very fortunate occurrence and yet you have to focus on learning to bring the double here, in this copy of reality too. Moving your AP in Darkroom while awake and experiencing these positions awake is important. Remember that Carlos didn't do only sleeping dreaming, it was one part of his training.
Roger that.
There's 2 paths involving the double, contained in the books.
Sleeping dreaming is only for the advanced, or for those with wombs.
The problem with sleeping dreaming as a path being, it's "pretendable". So that many beginners focus on that one and trying to force any dream they can remember, into a narrative which fits with the books. Even when it's clearly not the same at all.
Attention seeking becomes their goal, because they sure aren't going anywhere real by that method. As proven over the last 57 years since Carlos first wrote about finding your hands in a dream.
No one made that work even a little bit. It only seems that way in some cases, because of how confused we are about that practice. Not keeping in mind the need to follow instructions. And for daily successes. Not monthly or yearly.
They're perhaps misunderstanding "The Art of Dreaming", and completely ignoring that it's impossible for them to follow the instructions in it because those can't be done without removing your internal dialogue completely.
At which point you are literally surrounded by magic all the time! Even while awake.
And have no need to dredge up ordinary dreams and make them seem like progress.
Darkroom is vastly superior as a path, because you can't lie to yourself or misrepresent dreams you can remember. It's done awake with your eyes open, while doing physical movements.
The contrast is so obvious, once you can move your assemblage point to the other side of the body you begin to realize how everything out there is merely designed to confuse people into self-flattery and misrepresentation of ordinary dreams. So they'll hand over money.
But, it's true that inevitably you have to go into sleeping dreaming, and bring the double out into the real world.
That's not the same as luring it out, with techniques it finds interesting.
I suppose as an analogy, the path of sleeping dreaming is like traveling to France to find a skilled AI programmer, then convincing him to come back home with you on an airplane, and help you develop some software.
While waking dreaming using darkroom is like putting an add in the most popular French language AI periodical, asking for people to come work with you.
You can hand escort your dreaming version out into the real world, or you can just put an add in a magazine and get it to come here all by itself.
Lucky for me, pretending has never been in my repertoire. I’m far too observant to fall for flattery, self or otherwise. My path in life has consistently barred me from gaining attention, even when I seek it, such that I have all but given up on wanting it at all.
Last night I failed at landing in my dream house. I had a split few seconds to achieve my goal and flew into the air flopping around like a ballon deflating. It was rather funny. I did practice the first twelve tensegrity passes after dinner though. So, progress. Any suggestions on bringing the double into waking life would be welcome.
>Any suggestions on bringing the double into waking life would be welcome.
Keep your eyes open during practice.
Tensegrity in darkness so that you can visually see any progress you make getting silent.
And store "intent" into your daily "ritual".
If you get silent, you remove all the grief and sadness we're dominated by due to our internal dialogue focusing on grievances and worries in this blue line reality.
That drives your double away, because if it gets too close to your physical body, it picks up all that suffering.
Once you reduce it, the tensegrity itself lures the double to come out and try it along with you.
You'll literally see a copy of yourself, or just an arm or leg, right there practicing with you.
Later after you practice for the evening, you can sit up on pillows with your assemblage point having been moved, and try to further silence your internal dialogue while you gaze into the darkness with open eyes.
And on a good night, you'll see where your double is currently running around in a dream, right in front of you!
You can look INTO dreaming, from the outside while awake.
On an even better night, you'll be able to zip into the scene where your double is hanging out, such as climbing up a mountain trail.
Fully awake, eyes wide open, completely sober, you'll zip into the floating dream, realize what just happened, and get bounced back out to your body because your internal dialogue is triggered by the surprise.
It's a lot more fun than doing it asleep, which isn't really all that unusual.
There's a whole subreddit on lucid dreaming, and those guys never got anywhere in the last 20 years.
In fact, the lucid dreaming folks are so angry and full of pretending, that if I were to post about the "holy grail" of lucid dreaming over there, namele waking lucid dreaming, they'd delete my post as soon as they saw it.
I've tried it.
I don't remember how long it took them to delete it, but Techno noticed and told me. I usually don't go back to see what happened to my posts in other subreddits.
It was less than one hour, and maybe only 10 minutes.
This is the sauce I was looking for. Thanks Dan.
Do you think you'll accomplish this before you die? So that you can go flying around in the world and have superpowers...
I'm not sure what you're asking.
I already do what you suggest. The question is more about how often.
If you work hard, that quickly becomes the question.
Not that you "accomplish" it. That's not a big deal.
It's repeating it that's difficult.
I mean the ability to fully bring the double into the real world using the art of dreaming. Which you implied is a lot stronger.
Which is related to don Juan being to physically fly around and actually physically be on a different part of the planet, without waking up back in bed, and have other people see it.
I'm working on it, but that "alternate timeline" barrier you hit when you enter, still confounds me.
But I don't believe that's related to don Juan flying around.
That's just based on "seeing" while awake. You see the red ones, grab them, and off you go. In your double by the way.
I've grabbed those before. It really does produce drastic results.
As for traveling in your double and 'waking up' on the other side, we lack information on why that's needed.
The wake up part.
You can certainly switch to your double and go places while practicing darkroom.
But typically that's so rare and unusual that it doesn't occur to you that you need to physically teleport there.
You'd have to be interested in "proving" things to others, to think of that at the time. Which would have made it impossible to do in the first place.
If it became super common to travel in your double while practicing darkroom, then you might get the idea to figure out how to do that.
Keep in mind, when the old seers were invaded by neighboring groups from outside the Olmec world, the didn't do very well in a real warlike situation.
The men of knowledge, "religious pillars of the community" handled that danger better.
(Writing it also here, so that it doesn't get submerged among other things)
Hi, I saw your post here **https://www.reddit.com/r/Shamanism/comments/q37cwf/what_is_a_dream_walker/**
and I am very interested in what you have to teach,
Hi, you wrote some very fascinating things here and you seem to know and understand far more than many people. Can you expand on the method to learn to dreamwalk? As the most that I have gotten, even from books, is lucid dreaming and some interest experiences.
And the methods I have encountered place strict restrictions and demands on those practices with absurdly long trainings
That's a complicated topic, but "darkroom" will get you there.
You'll get to do things so cool, no one will believe you.
Here's a map of all the fun you get to have.
Dozens in here are past that "green station" which is as far as modern Shamanism ever goes, without drugs.
With drugs (we don't use them) you can get to that "red station".
But it takes sorcery (witchcraft) to go beyond that.
And ALL of it is pretty much just a side effect of removing your internal dialogue completely.
Which Buddhists have admitted produces "enlightenment", except that they never actually achieve it.
They're stuck up at the "green station" on that map.
Read posts in here to see far more than you ever realized was possible.
Dear danl999,
I searched for a long time about dream walking resources. I remember some interesting experiences as a child, and I remember being able to screw my time perception in dreams badly. Yet I never found anything about those practices.
I looked at sorcery and magic and found nearly nothing.
Lucid dreaming books? Some things. Yet techniques that enabled you to do those strange things I heard in tales and wanted to replicate? Nothing.
I was skeptical, so I tried just one hour of darkroom today to see if there was any legitimacy to any of this. Stuff started appearing in my field of visions. Small unstable dots. Some colours, mainly green and blue. As I kept doing it I felt like the darkness just became more dark. I started seeing more things. To feel more. My skin felt different. My hearing changed. Awareness acted strange. After thirty minutes, I started being very nervous, then very calm, then very nervous again. The state that I was kept altering. My body felt weird. At one point I even got vertigo. I think I might have eaten/breath a few of the coloured dots. When I finished the session I felt very relaxed and my skin was very weird.
Holy shit this stuff works! And this was while having imperfect darkness and making mistakes.
The closest I ever got to this was with gatewaytapes. But this method doesn't involve any artificial supports! Until now the furtherst I have ever gotten is halfway throught the green station. Does OBE count?
You have handed me the keys to something that I was looking for years!
I want to follow this path!
I want to do cool stuff!
Yet I know jack shit about Castaneda! Thought that he was a con artist until two days ago.
You are absolutely right about the modern state of magic and sorcery on the net. It makes me sad that there is more genuine zen here than in some zen groups.
And this method is quick and without restrictions! Not like some other methods which are slow and place so many restrictions on you that you start feeling like someone put a straitjacket on you.
Except Darkroom and meditation, is there something else that I should do?
I wish to practice well so to be able to do stuff well without wasting time.
Best regards
Pxan02
If there is one criteria that should be used to determine whether someone or something (that's concerned with "exiting the matrix") is actually efficacious, as opposed to for-profit distraction...it's if mass opinion considers them a fraud, as an immediate knee-jerk reaction minus any logic or actual familiarity/knowledge.
Doesn't work so well with other things but it does with this type of knowledge and practice!
Those who fight to "stay in the matrix" want as many people stuck with them in the metaphorical hole as possible, and always work to undermine the veracity of anything that can actually get people out...while they simultaneously advocate for something easy that will keep people trapped, and that simply makes them believe that they're progressing, and that gives improved social status.
>Does OBE count?
OBE is a con game popularized by that villian Robert Monroe.
As is the fraud of "gateway".
Hopefully y8ou learn enough through actual work to clearly see how bad "Astral Travel" is for people.
It's teaching them to pretend, in order to get attention, so that Monroe institute can steal from them.
>Except Darkroom and meditation, is there something else that I should do?
Just be serious and work hard, and keep in mind none of us are teachers.
Except maybe Jadey (one of the three direct students of Carlos helping in here) with her Tensegrity classes.
You need to learn some Tensegrity or your dreaming double won't come out into the real world and stand next to you.
You switch over to him and "shrink the tonal" in order to go for a walk in your dream double.
Which by the way, includes shapeshifting if you like.
For real, no pretending is allowed in this subreddit.
Ok, I am back after having read the wiki. It seems that fortunately, the material for newbie is less dense than I first anticipated. So I will start practicing now.
"OBE is a con game popularized by that villian Robert Monroe."
Can you expand on this?
I was always confused as to why OBE were so short. While I heard stories of people having hour long OBE. I never understood how they did it.
Also, I share your frustration in people lying. I know how irritating it is when someone says "I know sorcery" only to demostrate a newbie understanding of it. I am glad that you manage to save this sub from the fate that many other have fallen into.
For real thought, if only a fifth of what I have heard here is true, then it would explain sooo much! How long would it take before my dreams will become very lucid?
Best bleesings
Pxan02
>Can you expand on this?
People are assuming that dreams obsessed with OBE folklore are real, and self-flatter themselves into pretending that's magic.
When it's just in the normal range of disturbed dreams.
Worse, it comes with a delusional false narrative that implies your "soul" is parked in your physical body, like it was a car parked in a garage.
When in fact, your dreaming double is ALWAYS exploring other worlds and this world, at the same time as your physical body.
And both can be present in the same room, at the same time, visibly.
In fact, your dreamer, once it makes it into the real world, can even hold a second job for you!
It's not your "soul".
It's just half of your energy. The half that refused to be trapped in a flesh body.
We need to unite the two, not pretend the flesh body is less "real" and that your OBE obsessed closed eye dreams are a sign of "progress".
OBE is fatal to learning real magic.
Thus Monroe is a thief, who didn't care what happens to his students as long as he got their money.
His students even ripped off the CIA with pretend remote viewing.
When REAL remote viewing is done with the eyes wide open, and you can visually see anywhere in time and space.
Vividly!
>While I heard stories of people having hour long OBE. I never understood how they did it.
Why ask about them? How about Christians healing the sick with their "magic". Or Jesus raising the dead???
If you're going to go by what other people claim, you have already lost the quest.
People are idiots.
We've been made that way, by our oppressive internal dialogue.
Which is NOT natural to humans. We didn't even have language for our first 250,000 years.
But we got herded into cities, fed by agriculture, and money was invented.
So the bad men of the world such as Monroe and all religious leaders, figured out how to prey on the Naive with fake magic and religion.
All using the same basic effects.
Closed eye meditation effects, and the tendency of follower to lie their ordinary dreams into success.
I DAILY spend a full hour messing around with my dreaming double.
Without fail!
Not once in a while so I can run off and tell the story in some subreddit in order to get attention.
I'm only in this one, by blackmail.
Cholita, the third direct student of Carlos, won't have anything to do with this place.
We're lucky Jadey is helping out too.
But at this point, there's enough who have learned the real thing, to keep this place going permanently.
Hopefully we'll put the Astral Travelers out of business in the long run, so they don't get victimized by con artists.
>How long would it take before the quality of my dreams changes and I see spirits?
Your dreams are already plagued by spirits. Any annoying character in them is a spirit sucking up your energy.
You can learn to STOP the dream and look at your hands, and then identify which is a spirit, and which a phantom.
But almost no one can find their hands. ;They just start pretending their dreams are magical, if they go down that path.
You want to learn dreaming AWAKE, not asleep.
That's impossible to fake or pretend!
Later, after you can walk through solid walls, you can figure out how to explore sleeping dreaming realms.
Before then, trying to use sleeping dreams are like "trying out" heroine.
You'll get addicted to pretending.
The women however can explore sleeping dreams, since they have a womb.
For them, it's not the same thing at all.
Which is part of why
As for seeing spirits, find "Fairy's Pass" and learn some tensegrity if you want to speed that up.
Fairy is the "nice" spirit we got from Carlos.
Minx is the bad one.
But even the bad one is much better than none.
You know, I knew that something was missing when my newbie self found a technique to distort time perception in dreams. I thought that if I, newbie, could do it then surely the books would be filled with them!
I found nothing XD
This magic goes straight to the source, it doesn't bother with incense nor altars nor images. So it's extremely powerful and hard to access.
I never practiced magic like this. Never went this close to the source. Will keep you updated.
Btw I am going to buy this mask
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09CZ68WV3/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A14BV0YI8N0QIW&psc=1
for darkroom practice. Wish me the best of luck, I will need it!
You don't know how long I have been looking for someone that was skilled in those practices and got them right!
Best bleesings,
Pxan02
Once you learn waking dreaming, you'll be wide awake, eyes fully open, viewing a dream, and then you can "rewind time" in that dream, and play it over again from any point.
However, you can only do that a few times before it's too much for your internal dialogue to bear, and it returns to congratulate yourself.
Which makes it all vanish.
And once you can get an Ally to help you out, you can stage "puppet shows" with her, which are essentially dream bubbles in the air, like a monitor on a computer, playing a movie with your Ally as the star. You can narrate it, the dream movie follows your narration, and your Ally behaves as you want her to in the scenes.
Spirits LOVE that sort of attention.
So I practised some more.
I realized the mistake, influenced by other practices, of doing dark room while sitting and being still like a rock. Re-reading I realised that I am supposed to be moving and doing Tensegrity. Which I didn't realised how hard was to do while blindfolded. Doing the dark room practice this way made me feel much better and more energetic.
I also had trouble being silent after some ten minutes. My thoughts kept coming non-stop and I was just lost amist them. I am pretty sure at one point, just by forcing silence, I didn't heard anything for a bit.
Near the end of the one hour session my vision brighten up a bit. I saw a few coloured points. I am pretty sure I consumed a silver one.
Then I robbed my eyes with my hands, and things got more interesting. Everything for a few seconds was light and I saw strange patterns afterwards. Even saw a puff and some colours!
From what I saw I think I got at the end of the blue station.
Questions:
1 I am not suppose to rub my eyes in any way right?
2 I shouldnt force breathing in any way right?
3 What is the proportion between standing idle and moving? When do I know that I should be moving and when should I be still?
4 How do I not loose my shit if something that I am not prepared for, like everything turning light, happens?
Best bleesings, you are doing really good work here. Without you who knows how many more people would be lost!
Pxan02
1 Rub away! But it's kind of "cheating". What you'll get is a physical effect, but like Daoists staring at candles to burn an afterimage, the results can e used to trap the attention, and hopefully make it easier to be silent. On the other hand, you could just hang a glowing piece of stained glass in the air and gaze at that. So essentially you're doing "eye side effect gazing". Later it'll seem silly to do such a thing.
Hey... There's REAL MAGIC on the way! You just need better silence.
2 Absolutely NOT! "Breath Work" is a death trap in my opinion. It gives you the false belief you are doing something important, and in the long run it hides the very natural changes in your breathing, which come with movements of the assemblage point.
People use breathing techniques to steal from the naive. It's the world's cheapest "franchise" you can take up for a little extra cash.
HOWEVER, breathing techniques can motivate women, and you can't put any limits on what a motivated witch can do, even with total nonsense.
Cholita likes jigsaw puzzles. My first reaction is, what a horrible waste of time!
And yet, her jigsaw puzzle lured my double into the dining area where she was working on one two nights ago. It was the first time I deliberately went looking for her in my energy body, in years. If she hadn't put that puzzle there, I have no idea if my "double" would have located her in the vast multiverse of my dining area.
3 No one knows. Imagine my situation. As soon as the lights are off, all hell breaks loose and I'm gazing at magic no "sage" ever dreamed was possible. It even puts Dr. Strange from the movies to shame. But then, do I get up to do some lousy exercise movements, or play with the magic? Problem is, if i start playing with it, I might be there for 2 hours. It's that entertaining and educational! And my alarm clock might go off saying it's time to go to work (I leave at 4AM these days). Also, I get "twisted out of shape" if I only play with magic, to the point that I'll evens tart to manifest "human animal" behavior. Hard to explain that one, so I'll avoid giving beginners something new to pretend.
The Tensegrity initially lures your double out, like Cholita's jigsaw puzzle. Without it, I doubt anyone could form the "energy body", which is how you bring your double into this copy of reality. So it's a big mistake for a beginner to just sit there gazing into darkness, as if "looking for your greatness".
But later, it's very tempting. When you are surrounded by intense magic all the time.
4 You don't. It's normal to piss your pants when spirits first start to show up. That's what they like best! Raw fear.
Enjoy it while you can. Later on you'll have so much magical ability, you can manufacture little mascots floating in the air. Maybe a Gerbil or Victorian era woman's head.
At that point, you'll WISH you could get the scary stuff to come back.
Nestor manufactured a Mazatec wizard to teach him how to identify what plants are good for.
I suppose that's what we're ultimately after, according to the last minute advice Carlos gave us.
Better teachers, from infinity.
So I did some more practice today,
I have to adjust my blackout mask so it doesn't give me an headcache after half an hour of so.
I found that while having eyes open, my breathing changed. It was like I entered into sleep breathing. With my eyes open. While moving. Ok wtf.
It was very weird seeing hypnagogic with my eyes open, mostly vivid images thought. No coloured buffs :( , they were also incoherent and I couldn't control them. I also saw a few images of myself, like I was watching a mirror, yet it was thought imagery. Not really vivid.
Questions
1 No tensegrity, no coloured buffs. I noticed this. While sitting doing nothing, there was nothing. When moving and doing tensegrity there was something (green station?).
I have to ask, I have an horrible memory and even worse mobility. What are some tensegrity moves you would reccomend to a begginer to do on repeat in the darkroom?
2 One hour of practice is brainwrecking. After a bit internal silence dissapears and I am lost in a whirling of thoughts. How do you manage to do three hours?
3 Should I also do start doing recapitolation?
I don't like to recommend Tensegrity moves.
But later I hope to make a web page that gets Blender to select passes based on your checkboxes on the page, and renders it as a cartoon with all angles shown.
For now, just find a cartoon of video from Jadeya.
> How do you manage to do three hours?
Probably no one actually does except for me. Cholita practices even longer.
But it gets very entertaining eventually, so going longer is really just based on how much energy you have. When you run out, you'll want to sleep.
>Should I also do start doing recapitulation?
There's no teachers in here, you're a tiny bit confused.
Used to places where the ones "in charge" are taking money.
That's not this place at all.
According to the witches Taisha and Florinda, helping people with workshops and private classes turned Carlos into a guru, so he died.
I'd rather avoid that...
So if you need a "teacher", you're in the wrong subreddit for sure.
But some people in the chat don't mind helping others with topics like that.
It's good practice for them.
So today I had one big "Aha!" moment.
First, I understood that the practice, done correctly is fun. It's like playing. It isn't rigid. If you make it rigid it's nearly impossible to endure 3 hours of that.
Second and BIGGEST one,
in the past I needed to do lots of energy work exercises. I did them as istructed: by keeping the position. Something strange begun to happen: my energy levels went...down(?). I came out of energy work feeling more sleepy and bored than before.
When I asked my teacher at the time advice about this, he just said something about being at peace with boredom and brush the problem aside.
I never advanced past that. I would get bored and sleepy and my energy level would decrease.
Then today when I did tensegrity my brain clicked. You have to move sometimes so your body doesn't fall asleep. That is how people can do energy work for a long time without doozing off.
You don't know what a huge bleesing this is! You managed to solve a problem I didn't even knew I had!
Best bleesings
Pxan02
Recommend reading this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1bxemje/inner_silence_is_sleepwalking/
Great read. Does that mean that while practicing dark room I am essentially moving while sleeping? How is that possible? Isn't movement supposed to jolt me awake?
That's a funny question for me: How is that possible? it made me laugh a lot.
You are following the intent of (at least) thousands of sorcerers, anything is possible that has already been confirmed and I'm sure there is nearly infinite amounts left undiscovered.
You know after practicing I discovered that things that required logic (like writing and reading) were slower and harder, but things that were more "intuitive" like moving or speaking were easier. Like talking became very easy.
I wonder if you drop down low enought, if your charisma wouldn't increase naturally.
I don't find charisma all that interesting. But Don Juan was a stockholder, and I got on the Dean's List in accounting by forcing silence as much as I could. Reason and silent knowledge are positions of the assemblage point either way.
Once you fall asleep still standing up, you get very close (even 100%) to switching over to your dream copy.
So that once in a while you'll be walking around, and notice you have passed into the middle of a big piece of furniture such as your bed, and from your waist down, is the mattress.
But you don't fall over in your "real body" and bump your head.
It just works out. No one so far can explain why.
That's when you get to walk through walls.
Or shapeshift.
If you shapeshift, you can go out into the real world in that form. Just open the door and leave and go outside, as a giant beast. Or I suppose, some bizarre insect form.
"Or shapeshift."
How long will that take?
We don't know. This path is new. Usually shapeshifting has to be shown to someone, by a seer in a lineage.
But we do know that it's a "deep red zone" activity, AKA "The shift below", and you'll probably need an Ally to pull it off at first. Since we don't have anyone to show us.
But you should worry about getting an Ally first, and she'll surely teach you if you interact with her daily for a long time.
Expect first, she teaches you as "the dreaming emissary".
If for whatever reason you don't get an Ally (we also don't understand that yet), don't worry about it.
"Translocation" is just as cool, and has been done by many now.
Later, in the purple zone, it's pretty much inevitable to shapeshift, and maybe not even return to full normalness. You pick up the qualities of the form you shifted into.
But it's not as dramatic so that's nothing to worry about.
Dear danl999,
I had some doubts about the experiences shared here until not so long ago.
I had a weird vision, I was in another room looking at some scattered papers on the ground. It took me a few seconds to realize that my eyes were opened! I was having a vision with open eyes!
It was absurd!
The techniques here are legit if cultivated right!
Thank you!
Don Juan said that the new seers pretty much removed all the rituals.
Because rituals ignore the fact that the ritual doesn't actually do anything. You're just redirecting where your awareness focuses.
It's better to learn to do that directly so you aren't burdened by religion.
Removing the internal dialogue is the same thing!
It directs your awareness on elements on this assemblage point position, so that it can't move off its normal spot.
The rituals try to pick up a trail from the past.
But don't work well at all.
So truth be told, the real purpose of the rituals is to take money from people, in exchange for teaching something that's very unlikely to produce real results for the people purchasing them.
My interest in it isn't getting attention from others, it's having my comprehension of reality and exploration unimpeded by physical survival needs.
And flying or levitating just means total freedom from the normal restraints of the physical.
It's a very witchy point of view indeed.
It just never occurs to me when I'm practicing.
However, Cholita is all for it.
And I even set up things in our yard (which is big enough to fly into the air and reliably land in) for her to practice it.
With her agreeing to learn to fly.
Maybe that's how "practicalities" like that come about.
On my own, I don't go weed the empty areas of our yard.
I just poison the whole thing so that nothing comes up.
But Cholita forbid that, so when she mentions that the weeds are too high now, I eagerly go do the weeding.
Could be the only interest I'd actually take in "practical magic" would be in helping Cholita learn something new.
It seemed to be that way with don Juan and Silvio Manuel.
They could do anything.
But rarely did.
Except when helping someone else learn.