What is astral projection?

I got confused doing research because I can't connect all the dots.

What is the difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming, second/third attention.

I know that AP is supposed to be awarness of our energy body and doing whatever we want to do with it, while leaving physical body in the comfort of the bed.

I have more questions but I'd like to keep things simple. Thanks in advance.

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 4 points 2024-12-26 18:25
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 8 points 2024-12-26 18:50
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u/InnerArt3537 4 points 2024-12-26 18:51

People may correct me, but by my experience, it seems to be a slightly different type of sleeping dreaming. You go directly from awaken, and because of that you retain some tonal energy, but not much, and that's probably why it feels different from a regular sleeping dreaming (even the ones you're lucid).

Still, we have a better approach with awaken dreaming (with any of the techniques we use awaken), because then we have 100% of the tonal energy already at hand.

Also another aspect is that people that do astral projection, even the most advanced ones, won't stay in it for long. If much, a little more than a minute, but usually just a few seconds. That's because they don't even know what inner silence is, and because of that they just burn the energy they have at their disposal at that moment.

In the other hand, through awaken dreaming, we learn to get silent and this allows us to do it as much as we are willing to put in the work needed because we will actually get more energy as time goes on.

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u/danl999 9 points 2024-12-26 19:09

A scam mostly created by Robert Monroe, intending to steal from Castaneda fans who became deluded by the idea that sleeping lucid dreaming is a path to sorcery knowledge, when in fact the exact opposite is true.

The scam now being perpetuated by "Santa Claus" (as a witch in here nicknamed him). Which only goes to show, nearly all scams targeting people who are interested in magic keep going even after their dishonest founder dies.

Somewhere along the line they even ripped off the CIA so badly that there's TV shows and movies parodying how dishonest they were.

One of my most favorite of those is the Columbo episode "Columbo Goes to the Guillotine".

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u/sicmu122 1 points 2024-12-26 23:21

So Monroe and Castaneda are like Edison and Tesla? 😂

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u/danl999 7 points 2024-12-27 13:18

Monroe's stuff doesn't work at all, so I guess not.

It's just angry male self-flattery gathered together into a very old trick that goes all the way back to Ishtarism (almost pre-technology). But you'd have to learn sorcery to understand that.

Just because something seems to work a little bit, doesn't mean the delusional explanations they add to it aren't merely designed to keep you hanging on with false promises of glory, despite the fact that what they are teaching barely does anything at all. Certainly nothing any better than any other religion or fake magical system.

But Monroe followers get very angry if you point that out, and quickly become totally irrational.

Of course, in the Monroe subreddits they immediately censor anything that isn't good for Monroe Institute profits.

So the analogy is a bit hard on Edison.

Edison might have stolen patents and inventions, but at least they worked.

And if Tesla had his way, the instant you turned on your light switch, your house would burn down.

That might align with what Carlos had in mind, but none of us have the kind of power needed to infiltrate society to that level.

Same problem Tesla had perhaps...

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-23 19:12

who is that santa claus ?
tom campbell ?

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u/danl999 3 points 2025-01-23 19:18

Yes.

A horrible con artist.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-23 20:12

thanks !
why is he so bad ?
he does mention shutting down the inner monologue / left brain thinking so there seem to be some parallel to the practices here.

(i just discovered the sub).

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u/danl999 3 points 2025-01-23 20:29

He takes money for teaching people to pretend their magic, taking advantage of the fact that his customers are seeking attention and maybe to have their own franchise some day, and are willing to play along with the deception.

They're really buying lessons on how to be a con artist, from a successful and somewhat famous con artist.

We see that all the time, even with people pretending to teach our sorcery.

Campbell takes in a lot of money, selling nothing at all. In fact, if you learn his techniques you're pretty much screwed for ever doing anything real.

Read around! Look at the posts.

We do the real thing in here. It beats anything any other system even dreamed of.

A beginner in here, kicks the Buddha's delusional butt.

And no one in here wants your money.

In fact, you can't charge money to teach magic. That would make it impossible to learn for yourself. Not because the "magic gods" would disapprove.

But because real magic requires you to move away from focusing ANY of your awareness on this particular view of reality.

We go to great lengths to reduce our awareness' focus on this realm.

Selling magic would cause you to be absolutely stuck here.

Which is impossible for anyone to understand, until the can stare off into real magical realms, with their eyes wide open, and completely sober.

Once you can do this nightly for hours, and even break the laws of physics by going into one of the things you see, in your physical body, you'll be in a position to understand why anyone who wants money, is a fraud.

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Now, it's ok to teach Tensegrity and charge money. That's just physical movements.

Though our teacher Jadey does it for free on Youtube.

And Techno has endless video sources in the wiki which anyone can watch to learn it.

It's also ok to demonstrate real magic for money, as long as you REALLY demonstrate real magic.

If you fake it up, then it's not ok.

So for instance, Cholita, the third of the direct students of Carlos Castaneda who help out in here, can do amazing magic.

Unbelievable!

Such as lift me into the air with one finger under my chin.

Something I don't recommend anyone ought to experience without a spare pair of pants waiting.

I've tried to convince her to do tarot card readings, where she makes the cards stand up and walk around the table, to act out which cards were selected.

Charging Hollywood folks to see that is ok.

But she has no interest.

And such a thing can't be taught to anyone. You have to learn to do that level of magic, all by yourself.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-23 20:38

thanks for the post.
yea he does itch me the wrong way but i was curious about your opinion.

though i'm seing parallels in the core of the teaching, ie, shutting down the inner monologue / left brain, using intent and that kind of stuff.

i don't think he invented it but took it somewhere else.

still, i do want to take more time to learn about what it's about since i've just found the sub but it does feel like a mix of shutting down the left brain (which is pm basics in most spiritual practices or forms of magic) whilst also do what tulpamencer refer as imposition (ie learning to change your perceived reality little by little until you can change it fully).

the puffs and "tesegrity" exercises seem to me like a funnier way to learn imposition, but unlike normal imposition that tulpamancers practice, it is combined with shutting down the left brain and using intent.

what do you think ?

also where does those "moves" come from originally ?
i'm curious about the actual core principles behind the techniques, not just learning about them without understanding where they come from.

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-01-23 20:59

Point me to tulpamancers that you believe are learning real magic.

So far, in the last 4 years with thousands passing through, no one has ever been able to point to any real magic.

That wasn't even possible prior to 2000 or so, because the internet wasn't developed.

But now, if something is real, there should be a place someone can point to, to see it on a web page.

Before I came here, I searched for 15 years hoping to find someone else doing the real thing. It's no fun being the only one.

And Carlos himself searched for 20 years after his teacher "don Juan" left him.

Not only did we not find any, but we found horrible con artists behind it all.

And if we tried to ask someone who pretended to have real magic, they got cagey and angry.

No one with real magic, get's angry if someone asks about it! That's their fondest desire.

To pass it on before they die. So it isn't lost from the world.

But look at this place a bit more before you point to it, so you understand that a rational person would be able to see there's people really learning it in here.

Some of Carlos biggest critics came her to convince us Carlos was a fraud, and ended up having to admit they couldn't explain what was going on in here.

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-01-23 21:07

I asked ChatGPT about it.

That's Tibetan meditation side effects. Caused by visualizing things.

Our entities are fully visible, have their own motivations, and can enable you to clearly break the laws of physics.

The two that help in here belonged to Carlos, and then previously to his teacher don Juan.

Likely they've been helping our line of sorcerers for thousands of years.

It's nothing at all like Tibetan tulpas.

Cholita and I used to share the same entities since she lives somewhere on my property. And on a nice day, we both got to interact with them at the same time.

One moves objects in the real world, bends water 45 degrees in the shower, pushes around objects you just took an interest in.

10 of them can kidnap a fully grown man, and whisk him off to live in their world for a few thousand years.

For real.

We do not interact with the results of our own imagination!

Daniel Ingram does that too. It takes him 2 weeks at a retreat, for his "demons" tho show up.

With his eyes closed.

Ours show up in 5 minutes, with your eyes wide open.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-23 21:20

Hey, i'll reply to both your answer here !

> tulpamancers that you believe are learning real magic

so i don't think that's generally there goal, i just thought there was a similarity in the techniques used

> But now, if something is real, there should be a place someone can point to, to see it on a web page.

the imposition section on the tulpanomicon, there used to be example pictures but i can't find it again, maybe it changed or it was somewhere else.

> But look at this place a bit more before you point to it, so you understand that a rational person would be able to see there's people really learning it in here.

i'm not judging i'm just curious, i just arrived i cannot judge something without knowing about it.

> Some of Carlos biggest critics came here to convince us Carlos was a fraud, and ended up having to admit they couldn't explain what was going on in here.

i also just learnt of carlos, i had heard his name in the past through terence mckenna's talks
but honestly it was nothing more than a name in my mind, thus i don't have any reason to think or try to convince he's a fraud.

so now to reply to this comment:

what i'm essentially thinking is that the puffs things are very similar to what tulpamencers see when they try to develop the skill of imposition, which is to fully control their subjective perception, however, in the practice it stay subjective, ie they don't attempt to actually manipulate reality but only their perception, in that practice they also do not try to shut down the left brain / inner monologue / first attention.

so because of the similarities, i was wondering if it isn't in part the same thing but the effect are different subjective only since they do not do the work to shut down the first attention pm.

what i'm wondering pm, is, assuming your magic is real, could it be that the core principles are similar to imposition (ie affecting perception) but the effects are that much more potent and manifest outside of your subjectivity because you also work at the same time on shutting down the first attention / inner monologue.

what do you think ?

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-01-23 22:17

Actually as I recall, the Tulpa subreddit threw me out because I tried to explain that Tulpas weren't imaginary at all. Several years ago.

They said they were trying to get a university to take this seriously as a psychology topic, and didn't want nutty people claiming Tulpas are real.

But I've been thrown out of nearly all magic subreddits.

All of their magic falls on this map of magic, at the "green station".

Our goal is the purple station at the end of the tracks on the left.

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>what do you think ?

It's far more complicated than you are thinking, as you can see from that map.

There are MANY methods which get you to that "Green Station". All meditation techniques can get you there. Also praying and dancing.

And then bad leaders of con artist magic systems such as Buddhism, cheat people by claiming that low level "green zone magic" is "enlightenment".

We don't even bother with that anymore, other than to be happy when a beginner first gets there, and realizes this actually works.

But none of the meditation systems get you to the red station, where things become REAL. I suppose once in a while a crazy Yogi gets there, but probably only twice in their entire life.

We get there NIGHTLY, and then move even further.

To magic at levels people won't even believe, if you go to the trouble of telling them.

Such as real, honest to goodness shapeshifting. In your physical body.

Leaping through outer space in your physical body.

Walking through solid walls.

Levitating objects.

Leaping across treetops like a cheesy kungfu movie (my favorite for chasing my witch enemy.)

But we try not to play around too much down there in the red station. You can get trapped there.

The goal is far away in the purple station, where you have access to all of time and space, and too many alternate realities to even speculate how many.

Please look at the pictures, to see what you could be doing nightly. Not in meditation.

Walking around with your eyes wide open, completely sober.

The problem is, you actually have to do real work.

Whereas elsewhere you don't do any actual work.

They give you a pacifier, such as meditation.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-23 22:36

hey thanks for the cool map.

what i'm wondering is, the core of the practice is silencing the internal monologue and moving the "assemblage point" correct ?

i try to identify what are the basics, ie the funamental of the practice, what really matter and cannot be removed?

from what i'm getting tensgrity moves are a tool but not what really matters right ?
ie let's say someone is tetraplegic and cannot move, he could still do it because the moves are not what are actually important right ?

as such, why couldn't some deep form of meditations (that aren't mindfullness) but actually trying to shut down the inner monologue and moving assemblage point also work ?

in some senses, it kind of remind me of that :
https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/1ffl5a0/howdie_mickoskis_technique_to_see_holographic/

the technique is walking outside, and trying to focus your awareness to everything at one as much as you can whilst also silencing the inner monologue, until the left brain mind basically crash / shut downs because it fails to tag and categorize everything.

assuming he didn't lie,
howdie reported seing reality warp eventually, since it's also relying on shutting down the inner monologue although the technique is different and the result a little different, i wonder if it's not what truely matter.

> Such as real, honest to goodness shapeshifting. In your physical body.
> Leaping through outer space in your physical body.
to be honest that's the part i find less interesting, ie if we can get rid of the physical body or our reliance on it altogether that'd be nice, the way i see it awareness / consciousness comes primary, so the body shouldn't actually matter right ?

also sorry for all the questions but i'm trying to understand the theory behind your practice.

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 1 points 2025-01-24 05:38

This should answer the theory behind the practice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/index/statement/

Howdie sounds like a bad guy to me, when, instead of making money doing something else, he "weaves together" all different kinds of things.

Considering he POINTS OUT Castaneda in his book, I don't see why he needs anything else.

I have not needed anything else to cause extremely intense "reality-warping" experiences myself... I came to Castaneda a full-on edgelord atheist in 2019.

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-01-24 13:22

Of course, what you say could work.

But the problem is you don't know which "direction" to look, and your internal dialogue would cause you to pretend the results.

So it's best to stick with what's been proven to work.

However, if you have an idea, and "work like a dog", it will in fact work.

And you can create a new "rabbit trail" for others to follow.

Keep in mind: This does not exist "of its own".

You can ONLY learn sorcery by following where the awareness of the Olmecs flowed over thousands of years.

You have to be "pulled".

That isn't a theory. You get to see that with your own eyes later on. Daily.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-24 13:35

Thank you !

> and your internal dialogue would cause you to pretend the results.

yea but if you managed to fully shut it down why would that still happen ?

> So it's best to stick with what's been proven to work.

this is generally a good practice in most fields, but it's also generally a good idea to try to understand the core principle if you want to transcend dogma.

> However, if you have an idea, and "work like a dog", it will in fact work.
And you can create a new "rabbit trail" for others to follow.

so it is technically possible but more work and possibly a waste of time that may lead nowhere right ?

> You can ONLY learn sorcery by following where the awareness of the Olmecs flowed over thousands of years.

in such case, how did the Olmecs learn it ?
there had to be a first sorcerer at some point no ?

> You get to see that with your own eyes later on. Daily

do you have some video evidences ?

i'm all for doing the work and see for oneself, but if your goal is to save a practice, showing that it works before people put time into it seems more productive to me.

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-01-24 14:00

We don't have any interest in "proving" anything to anyone.

Once you can gaze into infinity and see endless sights beyond words, you sort of stop worrying about the concerns of other, needy humans. Especially you stop worrying about seeking attention from them.

In fact, this place would be destroyed by such a thing as you suggest.

To survive, we need to actually teach real people and avoid being invaded by people asking beginner's questions, unwilling to just put in the time to learn by reading past posts.

Imagine if we had 50 people like you in here.

Myself, I'd pack up and go elsewhere.

So would Carlos. And did.

He started out teaching for free in parks, but his "fans" wouldn't allow it. He got endless hecklers.

So he had to switch to locked rooms with armed guards.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-24 14:10

> Imagine if we had 50 people like you in here.

i'm asking questions now, but i may be part of those that answer them in the future.
i'm willing to give it a try at least.

> To survive, we need to actually teach real people and avoid being invaded by people asking beginner's questions, unwilling to just put in the time to learn by reading past posts.

i just arrived but i've already spent many hours reading around the sub, i'm gonna read the books too.
i'm only asking those questions because i've not found someone else ask them yet.

also beside the last question asking for evidences, what would you say about the rest of my question aboves ?

thank you.

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u/cuyler72 3 points 2025-01-24 14:48

Reading the books may help you realize why your social impulses, like trying to "prove" it are fundamentally incompatible with sorcery, they are what tie you here to this reality.

And even if someone succeeds in doing that, in proving it, they would probably end up nailed to a cross like Jesus, I believe there is a quote like that in the books, that anyone who managed to scientifically prove sorcery would surely end up dead.

As for how the Olmecs learned sorcery, it was first through Drugs and Dreams back when they were Siberians, slowly, over generations they learned to see, but It took an entire culture way more than one lifetime, and like science sorcery advances, and it has been advancing for thousands of years at this point, being advanced by thousands of sorcerers.

No one could recreate a fraction of the sorcery here even if they dedicated their live to it, they would be incredibly lucky to have anything more than mediational effects.

And I don't really get your other questions, you seem to not understand or have a good perception of the internal dialogue, It's easy to trick yourself into thinking you are silent, but when you succeed in truly being silent, reality in Its totally disappears, and you will be swarmed with magical sights way before that.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-24 14:58

thank you.

> when you succeed in truly being silent, reality in Its totally disappears, and you will be swarmed with magical sights way before that.

then why isn't the practice to simply learn silence if silence by itself is enough ?
couldn't you get to the red zone without pulling into the olmec intent ?

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u/cuyler72 1 points 2025-01-24 15:29

Stopping the internal dialog is perhaps one of the hardest things you can ever do, likely you can't even get silent on your own, you need help from Intent, and the intent trail dug by thousands of sorcerers who did the same thing you are doing makes it way easier to follow their path.

And once you do make it to the red zone, the Tensegrity and your connections the intent of the old and new sears will cause you to learn all of their knowledge at that level of reality.

It may be possible to reach the red zone through silence alone, but without the pull of intent of the ancient seers, but it would be way more difficult and way less rewarding.

There are thousands of Buddhists and similar sects out there that try to do similar stuff, and like your tuplimansers doing imposition, they do not find themselves unexpectedly translocating out of their room, and they aren't pulled in that direction.

Also, if that tulpamancer visualization was really related to the red zone, they would first have to go through the green zone, which has an indescribable bliss.

And the Red Zone is where DMT brings you, It's intense beyond all human imagination and comprehension, If tulpamancers really made it to the Red Zone, I think they would be talking about it, like Dan said they are only just barely breaching the green zone.

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u/cuyler72 2 points 2025-01-24 15:37

Stopping the internal dialog is perhaps one of the hardest things you can ever do, likely you can't even get silent on your own, you need help from Intent, and the intent trail dug by thousands of sorcerers who did the same thing you are doing makes it way easier to follow their path out of this reality.

And once you do make it to the red zone, the Tensegrity and your connections to the intent of the old and new seers will cause you to learn all of their knowledge at that level of reality.

You can tell how difficult it is by the fact that no one else has figured it out, at least not publicly, no one on this Subreddit has managed to point out something on the same level.

Like your Tupla imposition, you think that is the red zone, but the red zone is intense beyond all "normal" human imagination or comprehension, it Isn't just imagination projected onto reality.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-24 15:45

Oh i don't disagree with that, i just think you may be able to get there with different ways.

I have my fair bit of experience with what you call the green zone, but not red zone yet.

I feel like if someone figured it out alone they would most likely not share it as much as they are not following or trying to add to a lineage.

The tulpa imposition thing was just an example i gave because i found there was some parallels, but that's not something i practice.
And no, i can see how it is clearly different from what you call the red zone.

I said i could imagine it to lead to the same place if you silence the inner monologue at the same time.

I see, well thank you.

Even the "green zone" can already get pretty weird so i can imagine about the "red zone" altough i feel like the transition is gradual, I've already had a one experience getting close to the red zone before discovering this sub but it was still an inbetween and mostly green.

But i can attest that silencing with open eyes does work, one does not need to do close eye meditation to get to the green zone.

I won't say you can get to red other ways because i do not know for sure but my instinct tell me it may be possible.

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u/danl999 4 points 2025-01-24 16:10

We get to ALL of those zones, with our eyes open.

Not with them closed.

It's important to do that, because otherwise you go into the dreaming realms to meet your double (towards sleep), instead of bringing your double out, into the waking world.

I wish I had already made more Cholita cartoons to show how wonderful it is, when your double comes into the real world where your physical body is located.

She does that.

Carlos pointed out that in a workshop of perhaps hundreds, there were 2 whose double "simply comes around". Giving a sorcerer access to it.

The dreaming realms are contiguous with this reality, but there's 20,000 mutations of the blue line reality alone. And all of space.

Only in one of perhaps 400 people, does their double find their way here, to stand right next to the actual person.

I ran into one of those around 15 years ago. Jenna, a double woman.

And then there's Cholita. A crazy westerly witch.

But that's one of the main goals.

To merge your double with your physical body, so that you can break the laws of physics on demand.

Chinese "light body" techniques become workable at that point.

You can literally do the crouching tiger, hidden dragon stunts. I'm only able to do that myself, when Cholita comes around in her double so that I can chase her, in my physical body.

Which you can read about in the books of Carlos. "Second ring of Power" in particular. The presence of a real witch, makes next level magic possible for male sorcerers. Even the witch is typically surprised by the results.

Wish I knew why. And I certainly wish I could find a real Chinese kungfu master who wasn't a total asshole, and wanted to learn to do what he's pretending, but for real.

I tried searching all over the world, but they're all on monstrous greedy ego trips. Most likely is that some Brazilian kungfu person might take up "fixing" asian martial arts to make them actually work.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-24 16:37

yea, that's what i mentioned, i've gotten to the far end of "green zone" with eyes open and silencing, before knowing about this sub though.

i've also been in the "green zone" with eyes closed laying down but it doesn't bring you to exactly the same places as when being active with eyes open.

doing it walking outside in daylight results in some weird perceptual distortion and sometime some images.

i've also done that in the dark and seen the "puffs" very dimly but never played with them.

my instinct is that you may get to the red zone without knowing about castaneda but it may help due to inertia of other people doing it so i think, i'll try it.

the tensegrity moves do seem weird to me though tbh, but if only a handful are sufficient why not.

full blown red zone and above does sound fun for sure.

tbh the puff thing do seem familiar to some shamanic practices i've read about where they'd absorb orbs and a shaman's power is determined by how many orbs he can hold at once in himself.

i can also see some parallels with stuff like the "solar body" but i've never been much into chinese stuff tbh, i've just heard of it.

didn't Carlos meet with one of such kung fu master ? isn't it in part where the tensegrity moves come from ?

yea i think a lot of practices stop as soon as they see barely any results and try to sell them, they get stuck there as you say.

i do feel like there are more than one path but you have to keep your ego in check, just like the internal monologue.

maybe what helps your practice is that if you get results you can't power trip thinking you are the first one to figure it out and thus it is easier to not lose the result of all of your effort because of the ego.

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-01-24 18:00

>didn't Carlos meet with one of such kung fu master ? isn't it in part where the tensegrity moves come from ?

No. Carlos, Taisha, and Florinda noticed all the martial arts available in los Angeles in the early 70s and studied at a few. In particular Taisha and Florinda with Nishiyama in Los Angeles, and Carlos perhaps with Harry's people teaching Aikido, also at UCLA.

Carlos liked martial arts because he saw the potential (which they NEVER reach), and was a member of the Tai Chi association under Marshall Ho'o, whose Tai Chi was pure crap. He noticed Howard Lee there.

A mediocre Choi Lai Fut kungfu teacher. That's the most common system in southern China, and consists of VERY few movement.

It's nothing at all like Tensegrity. which has 400 moves, not a single one of which is like Choi Lai Fut, as far as I know.

I'll animate that martial art eventually,b ut it's probably the most sparse of any kungfu around.

And Howard wasn't very good. I studied at 15 martial arts studios, including ones Taisha and Florinda studied at.

Howard wasn't very good. No one is, unless they're fanatical about it, and keep it up daily.

Which Howard didn't.

Carlos liked Howard however, befriended him, and later he gave him a "blank check" by mentioning him in the dedication to Fire From Within.

Howard returned the favor by condemning Carlos when he died, and trying to take over his followers for his own benefit.

He teaches Daoist longevity pretending techniques, which don't do anything beyond green zone effects.

Which you can get by hitting the snooze button on your alarm in the morning.

You're off to a very bad start if you actually want to learn in ehre.

Your chances are between none, and "good luck with that".

Someone in chat thinks you're another person looking to make their own system, so they can cheat people.

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u/Alkeryn 1 points 2025-01-25 12:19

Thank you, yea i don't know all the history, I've just found this sub.
I did find it weird that a YouTube channel that was linked in the wiki (so i assume it is official since I've also seen some of your animations here) has a bbc video that tries to discredit him.

I do want to learn, it is just that in my experience, studying a lot of magic systems for curiosity sake, i generally found some good stuff and then a lot of dogma.

This circle seems a lot better in the way that it seems to have a lot less dogma and recognize the importance of intent and shutting down the inner monologue.

But i'm just trying to differentiate what is really necessary and what may be dogma pulling the practice down (there may be none but i don't know enough about it yet to differenciate).

My instinct tell me that the tensegrity stuff is useful because it allows you to better shut down the inner monologue because you have to also focus on the moves, but I'm not sure the moves need to be those ones as long as they are memorized and consistent, i may be wrong.

Since you have a lot of experience with it, have you tried making a new move, memorizing it as well as the others and see if it still works?

I read the bad player post, i could write my responses to the questionnaire but i don't think i match the profile, i do not care about attention seeking and i come from a place of genuine curiosity.

But i just like to in general learn and understand the fundamental of something instead of doing it without understanding why.

someone in chat thinks you're another person looking to make their own system, so they can cheat people.

I don't want to, also idk what you mean by cheat people but if you mean trying to sell something then no, the way i see it, if it doesn't work then there is no reason to sell it, and if it works, then money becomes irrelevant.

I am however trying to see how it fits with what i already known to work and if true it does expand some of my theories, i had an idea of something like the red zone being possible prior, i didn't picture something like a j curve though.

I've seen you acknowledge in some comments that some magic systems aren't all bad in their fundamentals but are being drown by the dogma.

I think i'm fine following the practice as it is until i see results, because I'm genuinely curious, but for that same reason, once i have something that works i'll probably try to deviate to see if it still works and see what is truly necessary and what isn't, and maybe see how it can be expanded.

I think this approach helps achieving progress in most fields or practices.

Anyway, i'll start reading the books next week and start trying the practice a little after reading the first or second one.

I do not intend to harm the community, nor care about attention, i may ask a lot of questions though.

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u/WitchyCreatureView 2 points 2025-01-23 22:57

Campbell was on the Joe Rogan show some days ago.

And there's a show called Carnivale with a lady who telekinetically moves the tarot cards.

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-01-24 13:18

I'll see if I can get Cholita to look for that...

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u/WitchyCreatureView 1 points 2025-01-24 15:13

Also I had some dreams/visions that sadhguru was sick, like coughing and vomiting and feverish.

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u/danl999 4 points 2025-01-24 16:17

His followers will be drooling if that's going on. When he dies, my bet is that a woman will take over. That seems to be a pattern with guru types.

There's some pretty bad people hanging out around him, to protect his reputation.

Jadey lent him a cushion at some lecture, but his followers wouldn't give it back. They said it now had too much "energy" for her.

My theory is that those diapers he wears aren't for show, and he left "streaks" on her pillow.

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u/Alone_Disaster5408 1 points 2024-12-26 19:25

We don't talk about "astral projections" and "lucid dreaming" here.

Also, you don't have to sleep, lie on your bed or close your eyes when moving the AP, and mostly you don't want to. Doing magic while sleeping is less fun.

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u/alf984 1 points 2024-12-26 23:11

Lucid dreaming looking at your hands is the first gate.