This traumatized me and I had to stop practicing. I need help about it.
I focused on my inner silence and stalking for 6 months. This gave me a lot of control over my thought process. Before I have seen any inorganic being I reached to the third gate of dreaming one day but as soon as I shifted from the second gate I started hearing a loud, very low ringing frequency. Felt like this state was draining all the power I collected. I had very short time discovering around before I lose my control and pass out.
I have never used the technique of catching the moment where you fall asleep and shifting directly to the dreaming state with your consciousness. This is not the problem but after a week I tried it. I realized the moment where my physical body started sleeping, my consciousness stayed awake and in that moment I find my self in an empty place looking face to face with a being. I didn't feel any fear or negative energy from both of us. But I get so surprised and exited for seeing such a unique creature it woke me up. After that I fell asleep and saw nothing or I don't remember it.
The next day in my own bed, I tried the same technique. Started dreaming and saw another similar being but a different one. This one felt differently negative I didn't felt any fear or emotion thinking it may be different kind of inorganic being until I felt my power drained out of me. I started shaking like I was having a seizure. Woke up, get out of my bed but the vision of it didn't disappear wherever I look. Had to open the lights and then it slowly disappeared.
This started happening every night for a week. I started not sleeping for days to avoid it. Then I spent all the energy and awareness I have gained over 6 months in a few days intentionally to stop dreaming. I destroyed my awareness and everything I have learned. Then I couldn't be able to start again after 2 years.
In that time I asked a friend of mine about it, she was already in the 4th gate of dreaming with her friends. I tried to describe how they looked like. She said it reminded her a reptilian. I didn't know what was it. I searched, it delved into mythologies and the descriptions were kind of similar. But I have never read anything abot them in the books.
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this all sounds like delusional pretending to me unless you have a womb…?🤷🏻♂️
also have you seen the inorganic beings in their world and know what they are like in really?
No I haven't seen before. But it doesn't look anything described in the book. I don't have a womb. But I was getting very good at controlling my dreaming body. Could it be the eye?
Inorganics can look like anything... An inorganic being can be the handle of a walking stick made of iridium. You think that there is any importance at all to what it looks like? Zero importance whatsoever.
I see...
find your hands in the dream
spot a scout
visit their world
wake up in the real world with your double
if you haven’t done these steps, you haven’t done anything magical with sleep dreaming..
Found my hands, stopped my dream, changed my dreaming body and even the gender of my dreaming body. Before I have spotted any scouts and woke up in my double in real world and had any trouble moving in my double too.
How often per night were you making the choice to look at your hands?
About 3 times a week.
All the time during my dreaming like every 10-30 seconds.
I was going to write this before I noticed your ninja edit:
"Okay. So you are still an amateur and your dreams were only Castaneda-flavoured, don't worry so much about something that was just a nightmare.
You need to be able to look at your hands (the point of departure) as many times as possible, not 3 times a week.
"He told me that dreamers take quick, deliberate glances at everything present in a dream. If they focus their dreaming attention on something specific, it is only as a point of departure. From there, dreamers move on to look at other items in the dream's content, returning to the point of departure as many times as possible."
If you want to make this a practice, you need to do all of the exercises.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/index/statement/
You did pretty good to be able to view your hands 3 times a week, but not well enough to reach the third gate of dreaming."
Could you clarify now the difference in scale, please? You went from 3 times a week to all the time.
Sorry I read it wrong. I thought you asked how many nights. 3 times a night and during all the time I'm dreaming to not lose my control.
Okay! That's fine then. You should be able to have tremendous results then in waking dreaming once you get back into the practice.
Have a read through the statement.
Dan says that exclusive focus on dreaming leads to mopiness and that waking dreaming leads to such beautiful things you can cry.
I have seen many things that made me cry. I used to change the vividness and the amount of feeling in dreaming too. But I don't know about that being. I felt my energy was very high that time could it be that I attracted inorganics. Can an inorganic being do that what I described in my post. Because I haven't feel any fear first I have seen them until I felt that my energy was drained out me. And those days I couldn't even find energy to hold my inner silence untill I let it go.
We are speaking about waking dreaming as a practice. Take a look at any number of posts here. The pictures are while awake and moving around, not asleep in bed. That is the difference. Unless you are having results like the other posts (which are awake), you aren't fully into the sorcerer's path.
>Can an inorganic being do that what I described in my post
Sure they can, if you stay obsessed about them. Since you read the books, you should also be doing recapitulation, which can literally take you to the event in question.
I see. The problem is I didn't think it was an inorganic being since he (Castaneda) first find scouts or object looking inorganic beings in passive mode not harming him at first at least. And I will check the other posts too about waking dreaming.
Funny.
>Edit: I made this practice for months.
"It took me more than two years to be able to focus my unwavering dreaming attention on anything I wanted."
It was two years of practicing for Carlos to go from the first gate to the second gate.
I would venture that it is far more likely that you are missing or confusing steps than that you reached the third gate with "months" of practice.
Could be. And also true that I missed steps. I remember something Don Juan said about Castaneda that not everyone had the same problems learning. But I used to study awareness far more before I started reading Castaneda and I was lucid dreaming before too. I just didn't know it was such a big deal until I have learned about this techniques and it was all different. I saw the obsession of vividness inside me like the sorcerers that lived in the past. I don't want to do this anymore I will focus on inner silence and stalking that I know getting addicted to it will cause problems and maybe wake up dreaming like you suggested.
Just have a read through the statement, it is very in-depth. Stalking is useful once you can actually do waking magic! Consider setting aside everything you have learned before that is not related to Castaneda.
"All intent works, but the wrong intent will be such a fractured (phantom room), you won't even be able to perceive it.
And mixing outside stuff is like mixing different jigsaw puzzles into a giant pile on the floor; really stupid, if you have any actual interest in putting together the puzzle.
Can't be undone, you just have to bulldoze the entire pile away and start over. Unfortunately, we're all bad players, and won't let go of the pieces we value. It's like finding a piece of the Buddha's ear on a jig saw puzzle. You're so excited, you run around showing your friends, you know what this pieces is! It's the Buddha's ear.
And you keep that in your pocket refusing to throw it out. When it's time to assemble a real jigsaw puzzle, like the Olmec scene, you keep trying to stuff the Buddhas ear into it.
That's all of us...
In fact, you can't clearly see phantom rooms or create them at will, because of all the pieces you have stuffed into your pockets, and refuse to let go. Silence lets you sneak out from the pieces you stuffed everywhere in your pockets (you have many), but only for a while."
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/inventories/
It is! Very useful part.
Enjoy yourself! For me, I can spend hours gazing daily, but everyone has their own proclivities :) I also was completely alone in this when I first found it too, but when I found it, I decided to take advantage of the resources I could find here.
"This is your world," he said, pointing to the busy street outside the window. "You are a man of that world. And out there, in that world, is your hunting ground. There is no way to escape the doing of our world, so what a warrior does is to turn his world into his hunting ground. As a hunter, a warrior knows that the world is made to be used. So he uses every bit of it. A warrior is like a pirate that has no qualms in taking and using anything he wants, except that the warrior doesn't mind or he doesn't feel insulted when he is used and taken himself."
Use everything here.
I will try to. Being lonely was not easy for starting but it has it's benefits too I think.
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It sounds to me like you were shocked, that experience left an imprint of danger and now you’re expecting things like that to happen again. Your subconscious is in protection mode. You can’t bypass this.
Need to zoom out, have a conversation with your subconscious (and after that with your previous self) while not in fear-state. Ask your subconscious things like: What went ‘sour’? How can I stay calm while meeting any beings? Can you act as a guide? How do you advise I continue? What’s next?
Avoid asking leading questions or ‘judging things as bad/good’, because with those the subconscious will not tell you what you need to know.
The ‘negatives’ feed off your lower emotions, so of course they will be back first.
E-motions or Energy-in-motions must be the key.
I don’t have experience with the gates of dreaming consciously, so I may be way out of my league here. If so: then take everything I said ‘with a grain of salt’.
Exactly what happened. But everything was good untill I met them. And it was good, no fear of meeting new beings but only some surprisedness only after they started doing this. And I had no time to speak to my unconsciousness after that.
This can't happen. You may thought you found yourself sleeping but it wasn't you. You haven't even passed the second gate and when you found inorganics you fricked out.
Incredible how you have a club of sorceres on the level of Don Juan but you came to us to help you lmao. Please cut that crap bc you have no idea what are you talking about.
So....you thought you had made progress but on the basics you failed when the time of them came. That's why I don't suggest men do sleeping dreaming and I suggest everyone who does sleeping dreaming to study the art of dreaming book in detail . When it comes to the first 2 gates, in the fucking detail . Noone does and many have these issues you are having , in different degrees. So the iob feasted on you since you were a newborn and helpless lamb ready for the wolf. You haven't even learn to use your double and I don't know if you were able to watch your hands on will as you should. You could have avoided all that drama if you did things right.
I really suggest you start waking dreaming and meet the iobs here where you have more rationality and will. In your dreaming double you are helpless and no-one will sit and guide you by the hand to pass this through.
Thanks for the advice. I don't you should be giving advice here let me explain why:
Firstly I talked to her on social media and she was hard to communicate with sometimes and I lost contact with her.
Secondly yes I'm still learning and in that time, I didn't even knew if there was any other soul in the world learning this as well. I was alone by myself not knowing if was gonna die or not when I was clearly in pain rather than freaking out by the strange creatures. As they state in the books, Castaneda had very dangerous situations even when he had a master standing near him, knows it all and ready to help. I was ALONE! So why don't you cut the crap as I was clearly asking for help here by explaining the situation I was in.
I don't even think a person with that attitude like yours can practice this. You should be spending all your energy to your selfishness and anger. How do silence your inner self when you can't even control yourself?
Your last post was about your fake accomplishment and now you present fake accomplishments and you supposedly want help about your great past struggles.
Don't take yourself that seriously! You clearly are very confused about things and you should be glad that I called you out on your bullshit. Getting grounded on the earth is very important if you want to move on. What did you expect? To coddle?
I gave you a very legit advice that noone advanced enough will bother to do and you are crying out about my attitude? Take it or leave it men, stop being a victim.
This attitude of yours makes you a nice meal for the iobs. It's all in your head and you clearly don't want any actual help or to move on. Otherwise you would take my suggestions and my calling out and you would move on.
I actually talked to a guy in the comments section that told me to try awake dreaming. And my last post is about my only experience on my double. You still didn't explain yourself. Are you angry that I don't have a womb?
This experience is not in the real copy . As I told you above this can't happen with your situation. You thought you found yourself asleep but it wasn't that the case. When you found yourself asleep that doesn't mean it was really you or that it was the real copy of your room. Study more.
It's really entertaining how you hold on to this. Plus , one time experience is not a big deal. I have done this 10years ago after I wrestled my then iob in lucid dreaming. I didn't came here to show off about it. There's nothing you have that can make me angry. I'm having fun with you the way the iobs do 😄