What is the catalyst to not falling into the hypnosis if an iob when you're about to become lucid in dreaming?
Last night I almost became lucid, I had gotten in my car in a dream and when i got to the destination remembered, wait, I just sold my car, I don't have one anymore, who's is this? Different state license plate even..
Of course the dream rationale was that I must have just accidentally had someone else's keys and driven somewhere "forgetting" that I don't have a car.
"Wow I should drive this back because they're probably wondering where their car is right now... Wait that's impossible because I somehow had the keys too..."
That's when the dream started to wobble with the sudden realization that I must be in fact dreaming... I wasn't completely lucid with the knowledge I was laying in bed in my hotel room, but the thread of the dream started to unravel... I walk through a doorway in hope to take me into a different dream environment.. when of course who else but the person I've unrequitedly been in love with for years! And guess what, they asked me the most deeply emotional questions about my life and current state and of course displayed such empathy and caring in their voice... She scoots passed with my focus now stuck on her,,, my silence completely lost...
"Wow that's a cute piercing she has above the bow of her lips, and the fire opal that's sitting in it is competing with the contrast of light against the dimly lit bar... look how bright that's sparkling."
Her voice hypnotized me a few more exchanges if sentences, catering to every weakness and flattery i have, and then I blacked out
suddenly I'm back at the car, remembered I STILL don't have one, I looked up at the sky and the rush of getting lucid ripped the dream apart and I woke up.
As much as I would love to believe this is some karmically soul entwined shared dream between this person and i's love connection.. im fortunately not completely retarded and have noticed the last 4 or five times this person has appeared in dreams right when I start to get lucid, that this is more than likely an iob trying to keep me sleeping...
Well, I don't know if they do it intentionally for that reason or it's more a symptom of the apprentices inability to keep silence long enough to see through the illusion, but I'm wondering
When does the iob beging to actually help us? Lending us the dark energy for entry into the world they're from, and not being seemingly antagonistic to our desire for silence and knowledge?
Is there a correlation between inner silence and "the purification and rebuilding the energy body" types of lingo mentioned in other religions?
So that the longer one maintains silence is actually also a measure of their ability to be "egoless" or "detached"? Because I imagine if I was detached from the desire of wanting this person, I wouldn't fall for it. But then the iob would just probably bring it up a notch to another equally tempting thing at that level...so where is the tipping point???
When enough silenced is reached for them to actually help us, do they converse with you in a dialogue format still when relaying information to you?
Using language sounds like it'd be too tonal, so when they are helpful and talk is it more like a telepathic type communication where you experience what they say all at once and just "know" what they're trying to tell you?
Also yes, I'm a male, yes dreaming isn't encouraged as the path, but doing darkroom and recap, this lucid experience just happened and I wasn't attempting to "try" to have a dreaming experience...
The day I don't fall for it will be glorious and sad as well, I've made out with this person dressing iob (maybe it's different iobs each time? 🤔) twice, and it was so real it basically felt like I actually have
It's maddening to think, if you're not silent, then you aren't fully HERE, but you also aren't fully THERE, and so we are just adrift...are the emanations that are activated between HERE and THERE bouncing in the mind unable to keep silent what compromises the "river of shit" ?
So... Even if actually kissed this person in real life and I was unable to keep silence... It'd be more or less just as "real" as the dream version of the same event.... 😏🤣
What tragedy that the majority of our world is stuck in this type of hazy existence. If we keep getting worse and worse and can no longer EVER be silent... Does this world end?
Have you had similar experiences with iobs?
How or why or what do you feel was the reason you were able to move past that stage?
Do you still eventually end up falling for things they do no matter how far the path you are on util you can stop the world?
If this was a mideival or fearful Christian interpretation I guess they'd say the iob is taking our energy...whether that's true or not when do the the tides turn and when do we take (or borrow ) THEIR energy? Until then, I'm stuck falling for the sexy ones...
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I also want to add. For some reason hotels have been the catalyst for the majority of lucid dreams I've had. Has anyone else noticed this? Or have maybe different conditions they see a pattern with that causes their dreams to be more lucid?
I don't wanna speculate, but maybe there's a bunch of leftover psychic energy from all the people who pass through here, that iobs like to "hang out" .. what do you think would be the reason?
would explain hotels being "haunted"
None of this is Four Gates Dreaming.
You're not finding your hands. And you're not gazing from object to object, and then back to your hands either.
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