But don't forget, Carlos found a different path. i'm not sure it even requires you to "burn from within" because he had already left, before his body died.
Said so in an interview for a Spanish magazine that Techno dug up.
Also, it's one of the "Four Major Book Deal Obsessions".
I just made that up.
If I had to name the other 3, I'd be in trouble.
Maybe, "The gates of dreaming beyond #4"
Or "The abstract cores beyond those in the books of Carlos Castaneda".
Somehow when that topic comes up, Franz Bardon can't be far behind...
Do you have this spanish interview to share in a link ? Its my first time in reddit , i have read/studing Castaneda about 20years but i thing i lost this interview by the way
I don't believe we need to worry too much about what "alternative" he found.
I suspect it'll become fully visible to us (eventually).
I thought for an instant last night while practicing, that I was gazing right at it.
But that was in Heightened Awareness, and you know how difficult (next to impossible) it can be to remember that later on.
Did you see the "third attention" video?
Reddit doesn't show this whole post, so I can't check if that was already in here.
They really messed up the user interface with their "improvements".
>i thing i lost this interview by the way
This one was so obscure, Techno only found it recently.
And we don't know if it was a real magazine, or an online magazine.
Essentially, to survive death you have to find a way to keep your awareness from getting stuck in the dark sea, bit by bit.
The same reason you have to recapitulate. Because our awareness gets stuck in the emanations.
That's why 'seeing' works.
While alive we can contain our awareness in the luminous shell, but after death we don't have that.
So you have to find a place to keep your awareness, or you'll gradually lose sentience due to awareness being stuck all over the place.
Carlos found a new method!
That new seers "third attention" method was only temporary. Good only until the sun becomes a red giant and burns up the earth.
Interestingly, someone in private classes (likely Felix) wasn't happy with the 5 billion years you get if you take that path of going to live in the giant dome, and said "what happens after that"?
Or something to that effect.
Carlos was obviously annoyed, but controlled his behavior.
He said, "Well then, we'll just renegotiate!"
I thought he was joking since the question was so awful.
It's a pretending question...
But sorcery is for real.
So I was surprised that he answered, and it might even be because, he had already seen a solution to that.
Thank you for your quick reply.
It makes me happy to be able to speak with someone who was in contact with the last bearer of the myth. I first encountered Castaneda's work as a teenager, and although many years have passed since then, I have had to navigate this path alone. I never had anyone with whom I could share experiences or years of study. Within the social circles where I moved, nobody believed in the possibilities offered by this path of knowledge. Even in the online communities I frequented, I was usually the only person who knew what I was talking about. So I am genuinely grateful for the opportunity to share some of what I have learned with someone else.
To me, all of Don Juan's teachings ultimately point toward the same goal: conserving energy, letting go of the self-reflective mask that binds us to a fixed reality, and acquiring energy—although I have found relatively little practical information regarding the latter. The warrior's perceptual framework prepares us to defend ourselves and offers guidance for relating not only to this world, but also to whatever lies beyond it.
Personally, I have followed this path for a long time, although I have not practiced recapitulation or magical passes as much as I probably should have. Even so, I feel deeply identified with this way of life, and I have devoted a significant part of my life to it. Being alone never bothered me too much, since solitude gave me a great deal of freedom. While a lack of stimulation does not necessarily help one progress faster, it did give me the time and space to contemplate these teachings without external judgments—and, as much as possible, without internal ones as well.
I do not know exactly what path Carlos Castaneda may have found in the end. You may remember—or perhaps you even knew Carol Tiggs, who, according to the stories, merged with the Death Defier and gifted Castaneda the ability to fly on the wings of Intent. If there is any truth in those accounts, then perhaps another path truly was opened. Let us hope we are able to follow it.
I will look for that Thecno link on the wiki.
Once again, I want to express how happy I am to have someone with whom I can discuss these subjects. My greatest sadness since discovering Castaneda's work has been the feeling that the sorcerers were like our elder uncles—not that I was ever their equal, of course, but that I had no one with whom I could share even a small part of this solitary journey. Brief encounters in dreams, or in whatever fragments we are able to recall, seldom fully ease the sense of emptiness that comes from spending one's life swimming against the current.
But who knows? Perhaps our destiny was never to navigate this journey entirely alone.
So once again, thank you for that.
We shall see how far the winds of destiny may carry us.
Greetings, and a warm embrace.
Wow, you've gone off the deep end if you're male. You're so far off track, it's not even worth trying to pull you back.
If you're female, ignore what I say. All that matters with women is that they practice seriously.
But when men go off track as much as you seem to have, it's hopeless for them.
Keep in mind, we've watched 10,000+ flow through here and subscribe, which means at least 30,000 collided with us, and we know pretty well who has a chance to stop pretending and start learning.
I've spent perhaps 2 hours a day on average, for 6 years, trying to answer questions and comments.
So I'm not speaking off the top of my head.
You seem utterly hooked on pretending. And it's a "romantic" kind of pretending, where you are viewing yourself as a third person. In one of the books perhaps.
You've written yourself into a mental version of Castaneda's books!
Maybe there's some drugs involved too, but I always suspect that...
Best to move on if you ask me.
There's nothing you'd be willing to make use of in here, because all of it takes actual work.
You're even trying to establish yourself as an equal to everyone in here, despite obviously not having any understanding of sorcery at all.
Sorry if I need to use a translator to read you and another one to reply. In any case, I hope we can understand each other.
You may be right in thinking that I’m trapped in pretending. At 17 I was a Reiki master, and my mother went through five cancers… I met CC at the San Fermín festival. Maybe you’re simply jealous of a stranger?
Seriously, it is precisely that lack of action that I need to fight against and work through. Thank you for making me see it so clearly.
I will do my best not to disappoint you, nor myself either. I will work hard—I repeat it in case it wasn’t understood.
I know quite well what sorcery is. I don’t know any of you personally, and I wouldn’t dare to judge how much you truly know about the subject, but from what little I’ve read, it seems you do know something. Only IS the usé of the intent
You are right when you say that I have a romantic view of life itself. That is part of my personal nature. Since I became aware of myself, I have tried to find a way to “save the world,” so yes, I do tend to see life in a romantic way.
Regarding what you said about me trying to place myself as an equal to everyone here, it is because I am one—just like a stone, a dog, or a tree. We all share the same importance.
About the books: I was responsible for helping distribute, translate, and edit Carlos Castaneda’s books for the Spanish-speaking world in the early years of the internet. Because of that, I have a different version of Castaneda than yours. For me, he was not a master but an apprentice, and I learned alongside him throughout all this time.
I am able to maintain my inner silence until I eventually get bored of it, and I certainly reject all forms of imposed work and servitude. Because of that, it has always been very difficult for me to commit to conventional work, especially since I believed I was following a solitary path.
In my wildest dreams I never imagined there would be 30,000 people asking questions over the past six years, or even nearly the same number attending Tensegrity workshops. For me, all of this is surreal or astonishing. I never thought there would be so many people following this path.
That is why I intend to write a book similar to the one Ken Eagle Feather wrote, but much more practical—breaking down, defining, and laying out a clearly workable path that can actually be followed.
The greatest effort must always be done within oneself. I sacrificed my life—everything I could have become—in order to follow this path. It has been 25 years since I was a young unknown. I have shaped my life through decisions and what I would call pure intent. I built my own house, detached myself from friendships, and created my own business to survive—all as maneuvers of awareness, acquiring the necessary skills along the way without losing sight of my aim, knowing what I expect and what I am waiting for.
I tried to express myself as clearly as possible. I hope I have not caused any offense. I do not care much if someone believes there is no “salvation” for me. I have never needed anyone, and I do not intend to start now. I was simply glad to know that there are other living people following this path. In any case, no one can prevent me from learning what I wish to learn, and I am not someone who asks many questions.
If I must agree with one thing you pointed out, it is that I still have a lot of work ahead of me—and I believe I have time to try. There is much I have changed and released within myself over the years. One only needs to align with the intent of the ancient sorcerers for that intent to carry one forward.
Really i didn not expect your answer but its ok, there is no problem about, im Happy about
Perhaps you are drifting too much, inventing stories or new interpretations. That is how I felt when I first discovered Tensegrity. Now i see many of yours learn from there, and its ok for me, im not the same person i was so many time ago.. im almost empy of judge
My first nickname was Nagual_age1, then Nagual_age—like taking on the identity of a “first-age nagual.” I felt deeply identified with those old sorcerers. Later I became Nagual_age, wanting to express the “Era of the Naguals.” I used Nagual2012 when José Argüelles spoke about the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar, and I participated in GAP (Global Action Plan) groups where we meditated collectively to prevent the end of the world. Then I became Nagual2013 to close that chapter after 2013. If I have returned to Nagual2012, it is out of nostalgia. Dont take it personally.
I’ve been dead for a long time now, and there’s nowhere left to go back to
I’m sorry if my response came across the wrong way, but I can imagine how frustrating and disappointing it must be after trying to help so many people… In any case, you don’t need to do that with me. It has truly been a pleasure to share this time with you.
At no point have I claimed to be anyone’s nagual or anything like that. In fact, my main interest is to demonstrate—to myself at least—the validity of this spiritual path, because I long ago stopped believing it is necessary (or even Secure) to prove it to others.
In the end, it will be Spirit that indicates what is correct in its own time.
Jeez, were you fooled! That's got to be one of the worst fake systems around.
>I am able to maintain my inner silence until I eventually get bored of it,
No, you aren't.
Did you see the J curve map Carlos gave us?
Or even the pictures in this subreddit?
If you didn't move down to the red zone and see stuff like is on that map as pictures, you didn't even get close to stopping it.
You'd be breaking the laws of physics if you could do what you believe!
Why did you decide this sorcery doesn't actually work???
I'd say, you didn't even get out of the green zone, which is where Reiki gets you, at best.
No form of meditation gets you past the green zone. It's like the "security fence" to prevent humans from escaping. Bliss is the barrier to escaping.
I can point you to that J curve map if I didn't already. But it's available in the wiki.
Get yourself help from "Fairy", one of the two allies of Carlos!
She promised to help anyone who learned to move their assemblage point far enough to perceive her.
When you can see those purple puffs, let me know and I'll give you the instructions Fairy gave me. Or better yet, maybe she'll show up on her own.
She'll literally stand on your hand! Not in your "Reiki meditation visualizations", but FOR REAL.
A tiny fairy only 4 inches tall, standing on your hand, putting on a little show for you.
Cholita the witch could get her to move little plates in restaurants. And there's a piece of fancy paper that Ally selected for Cholita, hanging on my wall at home. Cholita bought it because Fairy liked it. I saw Fairy flying around it, making it move in the art store.
Carlos left us 2 allies, and both are available to anyone in here.
They've likely been hanging out in this lineage at least 800 years, and maybe as long as 8000 according to how old don Juan suggested that "seeing" is.
So if I didn't offend you into leaving, then please work hard.
It’s very difficult to continue a conversation on Reddit, but I will try.
I never said “this sorcery didn’t work.”
I don’t say I believe in Reiki. I only said I became a master at 17, and I watched my mother go through cancer again and again, surviving each time. Maybe I just got tired of having to help, because people can’t help themselves.
How many times do you expect to use the energy of allies? Maybe my problem is that I don’t want to believe in anybody and I don’t want help from anyone. I don’t want debts. I want to become stronger in my own way. But I’m not so foolish as to not learn and test everything I see and feel.
I see that you have built a large part of this Reddit, and maybe I was wrong to ask a single question that wasn’t fully answered: whether tensegrity still exists and where to find information about it. I’m glad I can learn from everything you have published here, and I will do that.
On the other hand, I don’t have much time to waste on conversations. It’s very difficult for you to know me, and trying to draw conclusions from a single conversation will only waste your time—and mine as well.
I will look at all the images you recommend, and again I thank you for the work done and the time invested in this Reddit. I’ve just downloaded Taisha Abelar’s second book, Stalking the Double, and I’m very happy to be able to read it.
I have been living with these sorcerers since I was a teenager— for decades. I have never stopped being a child, and I have probably been nourished by their energies for a long time.
I will try to make contact with the “fairy” and give it a chance to push me forward, because I am very distrustful. Humanity carries an enormous weight—trapped and enslaved for millennia—and I still don’t fully understand who is to blame.
And yes, I can maintain my inner silence until I get bored, which you could interpret as me getting bored quickly.
Jokes aside, I am not the enemy. It was you who told me I was lost, that I shouldn’t waste my time, and that you weren’t going to bother guiding me back to the path. I have only tried to be grateful and, as we say in my country, "poner los puntos sobre las is" to set the record straight.
>How many times do you expect to use the energy of allies?
Actually you can't learn to move your assemblage point the way sorcerers do, without their dark energy.
You can read where that's found in the wiki, but you might remember it from don Juan explaining that to Carlos, in Art of Dreaming.
But you don't have to worry about over interacting with them. If your goal is Silent Knowledge (the end of that J curve), the Allies no longer look real, once you get to the orange zone at the halfway point.
So no more fun... I was sorry when the Allies no longer showed up looking real. Cholita and some old witch materialized on some stairs leading down to my room, and told me I was overusing the Allies, so they were taking them away.
And they did...
But I was already at the point where they'd cease to look real to me. So it didn't take much for them to pull that off.
For a while now, I've theorized that once your assemblage point reaches SK (silent knowledge), you can have realistic looking Allies again, if you put in some work to locate them.
Last night I found Fairy again, just to make sure she was still around and helping others.
She looked a bit squashed, and as if she were complaining about me neglecting her, but I was lucky to see her as a little woman again.
So she's around.
She gave me the impression that the Allies still need "permission" to mess with people, but as a group in this subreddit, we provide that as long as we keep discussing it.
>will try to make contact with the “fairy”
Actually it's "Little Smoke", but she kept showing up in scary forms, so I exercised the option all sorcerers have, and requested a form.
That's also the same thing as "wrestling with an Ally".
Thank you for your response. Don Juan certainly states that visiting the dark world is necessary, since it is where sorcerers take their energy. I will take this relationship more into account, even though physically these allies bother me quite a bit—they try to grab me or touch me, haha.
I don’t intend to bother you or take more of your time. I will look into who Cholita is; I didn’t understand it or I don’t know it yet.
Maybe it was the reply where I asked about the Infinite Readers papers? Reddit makes it a little difficult to keep track of some conversations 😄
If that's the one, this was me response to you:
"Thanks for the link, I'll look it up.
I like those papers; they help me align myself with the intent of that time.
Regarding inorganic beings (a better term than 'allies' somethimes), there's no knowing what they want to preserve—perhaps their own extinction not the knowledge, haha. They play with us as if it were a very long chess game.
On the other hand, I don't really see any reason not to ignore them or to take that supposed threat or coercion too seriously, lol. Don Juan didn't get along with them either 😃
They're like cousins we have to learn to put up with.
I didn't know about Nagual Lujan. I'm going to get his books, thank you! "
By the way, regarding Nagual Lujan's books, I have the first one in PDF if you'd like it.
Right now I'm reading Thaisa Abelar's latest book in English (and enjoy a lot). When I finish it, I'm going to translate it into Spanish
Ah, OK, thanks! I never fully trust anyone, but I always explore what people say to see if it feels true or not. The one I linked really blows my mind. He talks about reincarnations and the powers granted to him by the Death Defier. It's a pity he might just be a pretender 😄
well.. with the Death Defier by middle all could be possible aha 😉
jokes aside, In any case, this is one author on the list I really liked back then, Ken Eagle Feather. This book is quite well structured and helps build an outline of the theory that defines the Toltec path: Ken Eagle Feather – A Toltec Path: A User's Guide to the Teachings of Don Juan Matus.
Whether he's telling the truth or not when he claims that Don Juan Matus himself appeared to him and helped him in his development doesn't prevent him from offering a solid analysis of Castaneda's work. On the other hand, I've always thought he might actually be telling the truth about having been taught by Don Juan.
But what does it really matter? That's probably what Don Juan himself would say. In the end, it is up to each person to make themselves accessible to power. The means used to achieve that are not nearly as important as the goal itself. If it is a path with heart... then all that's left is to follow it to the very end.
But again, when it comes to the truthfulness of a person's experiences, it's often not so much a matter of someone trying to deceive others as it is of having deceived themselves. There are so many possibilities that can arise when you cross into the second attention that almost anything seems possible. You might even come to believe that you are God, or His primary reincarnation on Earth.
I don't know... there are so many things one can experience on the other side that it would be easy to mistake them for absolute truths when they are not. That's why Don Juan places so much emphasis on maintaining a sober state of awareness, avoiding those excesses and attachments that one can develop on the other side, and which ultimately do nothing but feed the personal ego.
To be quite frank, you are also deceiving yourself. The Intent of the Sorcerers of Ancient Mexico is faint, but it is possible to follow it, however, you are mixing yourself up by adding in all of these pretenders.
Now, Ken Eagle-Feather is false, he talks about Zen Buddhism and other things in this book you mentioned. "Any good metaphysical philosophy leads you to seeing" just makes you food for the fliers.
His ideas are at total odds with sorcery:
" every ideal we deal with in terms of spiritual traditions, religions, etc, is a device concocted by the flyers to keep us in a lull. "
This sorcerer's description is of course our ultimate nemesis; we don't want to believe that we are being raised for food. In this sense, naturally, the sorcerers' tradition is at total variance with any other kind of spiritual tradition. Sorcerers say, and believe me, not out of cynicism, that every ideal we deal with in terms of spiritual traditions, religions, etc, is a device concocted by the flyers to keep us in a lull. Imagine our disquietude upon examining, weighing and pondering this proposition.
Certainly, you are right in many respects. However, we should not forget that all the sorcery Don Juan taught Castaneda—practices inherited from the ancient seers—was intended to allow him access to a different pattern of reality, a different way of engaging with the world, and to place it in contrast with the ordinary way in which we experience reality.
The first purpose of this contrast, as I understand it, is to help us realize that any way of experiencing life is ultimately just a description. By having two opposing worlds, or two different descriptions of reality, we may be able to slip between them and approach Freedom as an abstract concept.
Don Juan's world of sorcery teaches us to abandon the patterns that configure our reality, to recover energy through recapitulation, and to cultivate an ethical system of behavior through the warrior's path, so that we can move through both the known and the unknown. But this is not an end in itself; it is a means toward attaining Freedom as an abstract concept.
Sorcerers create precise inventories and then throw them away, because making inventories is part of our human nature, but we do not have to become prisoners of them.
Reading Ken Eagle Feather gave me a great deal of enthusiasm because, apart from Castaneda, he was the only person through whom I felt connected to this ancient Intent, and later to the new seers. Yet my enthusiasm became even greater when I recently discovered this Reddit community. It is genuinely a joy to be able to discuss the flyers with others! (and not to be pointed for being crazy)
In any case, speaking personally, I believe that borrowing practices from Zen, or from any other system of thought, can indeed be helpful. Zacateca was a sorcerer who could See through his dancing. We can use many systems—or at least some of them—to assist us in our growth.
Personally, the practices I value most, and probably practice the least, are those inherited from Don Juan: the practices of Not-Doing. They force us to shift the assemblage point away from its habitual position, to act without expecting rewards, and to make ourselves available to Intent.
Saving energy in our daily lives, having nothing to defend, conserving energy (I repeat this intentionally) in every way possible, including sexually, and then, once we have freed ourselves from much of what we are and from what other people and the world into which we were born have placed upon us, using that surplus energy to accumulate personal power through acts of impeccability.
To act with total impeccability, to gradually develop the double, and over time to allow our everyday awareness—cleaned and refined through recapitulation and discipline—to take account of our perception on the left side. In this way, we avoid developing an awareness that is aberrant or impossible to control.
Don Juan placed great emphasis on sobriety and restraint because it is this awareness that we ultimately wish to carry into other realms of perception. We do not want to awaken there with a consciousness that is impossible to manage or that prevents us from reaching where we intend to go.
I hope I have not written too much. And please don't worry—I don't think I have deceived myself very much regarding Ken Eagle Feather. Besides, what he says is of little importance to me. What matters is what I do.
Once again, I would like to express my gratitude for being able to discuss these topics. It is a genuine pleasure.
Have you taken a look around the subreddit at what people can do while gazing? For example, one time while awake and with my eyes open, I was gazing into my hands at a cow and a horse near a fence. I kept it up for about an hour and a half.
The impossible happens during sorcery so please actually practice and make sure your assemblage point is shifting. If you remember, Carlos was seeing a poodle. However, it clearly states that Carlos stood up before seeing a poodle, he was not sitting or lying down.
Well, many people would say that I am a man—I have plenty of body hair and a beard. 😄
But as the witches used to say about the Nagual Juan Matus, he was no longer a man. That was why he could access Silent Knowledge directly, in the same way women do, without any intermediary.
Men, on the other hand, must build and assemble knowledge step by step, as the highest exponents of reason do. At the same time, don Juan, being a man of knowledge and also a man of words, invited his apprentices to have a romance with knowledge—not only to acquire a broader inventory with which to explain their experiences as sorcerers, but also because, from the furthest reaches of reason, it is easier to glimpse its opposite shore: the realm of Silent Knowledge, and to make the jump from there.
He said that this was how reason itself came into being: when the greatest masters of Silent Knowledge in ancient times decided to explain to themselves the nature of their experiences. From that point onward, a world governed by reason was gradually built and assembled—one in which the matter of the flyers surely played a significant role.
This is also why I sometimes feel a bit saddened when people argue endlessly about whether this or that is correct for sorcery. I think we talk too much. What truly matters is practice, and reaching the other side by cultivating freedom through the abstract flight.
Thank you very much for your advice to practice more. I will certainly keep it in mind. It makes me very happy to be able to discuss these subjects, which have served as a solid model from which to live my life for a very long time.
Seriously, I will take much more firmly the need to practice Recapitulation and Tensegrity.
I already make my own daily effort to save energy and be impeccable, but I am certain that once I begin practicing these powerful techniques, I will take a leap into the unknown—a leap I have not dared to take until now. 😄
I agree that any system of thought can become a limitation. That's precisely why I even have a hard time following the path of the old sorcerers... or the new ones. 😄
In my defense, I will say that nobody I knew was aware of the meaning of my nickname. Maybe it was a mistake to use it in this Reddit. In any case, it is done.
I just watched your video, and I enjoyed it very much.
What I found especially interesting was how it illustrates the movement of the assemblage point along the human band—something that is never really shown in the books. It also discusses the different possibilities for challenging death, although it leaves out that of the Death Defier, who, according to the stories, would come and go from our reality from time to time.
I was particularly delighted by the part where Carlos Castaneda speaks about the immense energetic configurations he with his apprentices encountered—configurations that, as Castaneda hinted in some interviews, Don Juan could never have imagined. Seeing that era fills me with both excitement and nostalgia. It was a time I was never able to participate in directly, a time when dreamers and apprentices lived and worked alongside Carlos Castaneda during what must have been a truly extraordinary moment in history.
I would have loved to have been part of it, just as I would have loved to have been part of any of the groups surrounding the previous Naguals. Yet I am content with the era I was given to live in, and even more excited about whatever still lies ahead of us.
Just one detail: I noticed the video was marked as being intended for children! There is a certain irony in that, because in many ways most of us still are children—or at least children at heart.
I hope to learn at least a small part of what all of you learned along the way, and perhaps contribute my own grain of sand in return.
Thank you all for making this possible. I will be devouring that wiki over the coming days, and I will certainly begin practicing recapitulation and magical passes in the darkroom.
You could say that I refused to become the last witness of this dream that all of us are dreaming. That feeling prevented me from taking many steps until now. But I sincerely hope that we will be able to share more time together in the future.
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These are always good to see and read. Please keep them coming. Thank you.
Can do a card and description for the Third Attention?
But don't forget, Carlos found a different path. i'm not sure it even requires you to "burn from within" because he had already left, before his body died.
Said so in an interview for a Spanish magazine that Techno dug up.
Also, it's one of the "Four Major Book Deal Obsessions".
I just made that up.
If I had to name the other 3, I'd be in trouble.
Maybe, "The gates of dreaming beyond #4"
Or "The abstract cores beyond those in the books of Carlos Castaneda".
Somehow when that topic comes up, Franz Bardon can't be far behind...
#4?
The smoking mixture.
No worries, I’m not very eloquent and have no intentions of writing any books and I’m private, I won’t be doing Third Attention TicTocs either 😂
I like the cards, they help keep terminology and interpretations consistent for us new people.
You could make a reasonable 3rd attention card, showing how to do it with possibly inclusion of that diagram Carlos made for us.
u/TechnoMagical_Intent could you tell which interview it was?
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/qed5ca/very_rare_interview_carlos_castaneda_interviewed/
Do you have this spanish interview to share in a link ? Its my first time in reddit , i have read/studing Castaneda about 20years but i thing i lost this interview by the way
Techno has a link to it in the wiki.
I don't believe we need to worry too much about what "alternative" he found.
I suspect it'll become fully visible to us (eventually).
I thought for an instant last night while practicing, that I was gazing right at it.
But that was in Heightened Awareness, and you know how difficult (next to impossible) it can be to remember that later on.
Did you see the "third attention" video?
Reddit doesn't show this whole post, so I can't check if that was already in here.
They really messed up the user interface with their "improvements".
>i thing i lost this interview by the way
This one was so obscure, Techno only found it recently.
And we don't know if it was a real magazine, or an online magazine.
Essentially, to survive death you have to find a way to keep your awareness from getting stuck in the dark sea, bit by bit.
The same reason you have to recapitulate. Because our awareness gets stuck in the emanations.
That's why 'seeing' works.
While alive we can contain our awareness in the luminous shell, but after death we don't have that.
So you have to find a place to keep your awareness, or you'll gradually lose sentience due to awareness being stuck all over the place.
Carlos found a new method!
That new seers "third attention" method was only temporary. Good only until the sun becomes a red giant and burns up the earth.
Interestingly, someone in private classes (likely Felix) wasn't happy with the 5 billion years you get if you take that path of going to live in the giant dome, and said "what happens after that"?
Or something to that effect.
Carlos was obviously annoyed, but controlled his behavior.
He said, "Well then, we'll just renegotiate!"
I thought he was joking since the question was so awful.
It's a pretending question...
But sorcery is for real.
So I was surprised that he answered, and it might even be because, he had already seen a solution to that.
Thank you for your quick reply.
It makes me happy to be able to speak with someone who was in contact with the last bearer of the myth. I first encountered Castaneda's work as a teenager, and although many years have passed since then, I have had to navigate this path alone. I never had anyone with whom I could share experiences or years of study. Within the social circles where I moved, nobody believed in the possibilities offered by this path of knowledge. Even in the online communities I frequented, I was usually the only person who knew what I was talking about. So I am genuinely grateful for the opportunity to share some of what I have learned with someone else.
To me, all of Don Juan's teachings ultimately point toward the same goal: conserving energy, letting go of the self-reflective mask that binds us to a fixed reality, and acquiring energy—although I have found relatively little practical information regarding the latter. The warrior's perceptual framework prepares us to defend ourselves and offers guidance for relating not only to this world, but also to whatever lies beyond it.
Personally, I have followed this path for a long time, although I have not practiced recapitulation or magical passes as much as I probably should have. Even so, I feel deeply identified with this way of life, and I have devoted a significant part of my life to it. Being alone never bothered me too much, since solitude gave me a great deal of freedom. While a lack of stimulation does not necessarily help one progress faster, it did give me the time and space to contemplate these teachings without external judgments—and, as much as possible, without internal ones as well.
I do not know exactly what path Carlos Castaneda may have found in the end. You may remember—or perhaps you even knew Carol Tiggs, who, according to the stories, merged with the Death Defier and gifted Castaneda the ability to fly on the wings of Intent. If there is any truth in those accounts, then perhaps another path truly was opened. Let us hope we are able to follow it.
I will look for that Thecno link on the wiki.
Once again, I want to express how happy I am to have someone with whom I can discuss these subjects. My greatest sadness since discovering Castaneda's work has been the feeling that the sorcerers were like our elder uncles—not that I was ever their equal, of course, but that I had no one with whom I could share even a small part of this solitary journey. Brief encounters in dreams, or in whatever fragments we are able to recall, seldom fully ease the sense of emptiness that comes from spending one's life swimming against the current.
But who knows? Perhaps our destiny was never to navigate this journey entirely alone.
So once again, thank you for that.
We shall see how far the winds of destiny may carry us.
Greetings, and a warm embrace.
Wow, you've gone off the deep end if you're male. You're so far off track, it's not even worth trying to pull you back.
If you're female, ignore what I say. All that matters with women is that they practice seriously.
But when men go off track as much as you seem to have, it's hopeless for them.
Keep in mind, we've watched 10,000+ flow through here and subscribe, which means at least 30,000 collided with us, and we know pretty well who has a chance to stop pretending and start learning.
I've spent perhaps 2 hours a day on average, for 6 years, trying to answer questions and comments.
So I'm not speaking off the top of my head.
You seem utterly hooked on pretending. And it's a "romantic" kind of pretending, where you are viewing yourself as a third person. In one of the books perhaps.
You've written yourself into a mental version of Castaneda's books!
Maybe there's some drugs involved too, but I always suspect that...
Best to move on if you ask me.
There's nothing you'd be willing to make use of in here, because all of it takes actual work.
You're even trying to establish yourself as an equal to everyone in here, despite obviously not having any understanding of sorcery at all.
Sorry if I need to use a translator to read you and another one to reply. In any case, I hope we can understand each other.
You may be right in thinking that I’m trapped in pretending. At 17 I was a Reiki master, and my mother went through five cancers… I met CC at the San Fermín festival. Maybe you’re simply jealous of a stranger?
Seriously, it is precisely that lack of action that I need to fight against and work through. Thank you for making me see it so clearly.
I will do my best not to disappoint you, nor myself either. I will work hard—I repeat it in case it wasn’t understood.
I know quite well what sorcery is. I don’t know any of you personally, and I wouldn’t dare to judge how much you truly know about the subject, but from what little I’ve read, it seems you do know something. Only IS the usé of the intent
You are right when you say that I have a romantic view of life itself. That is part of my personal nature. Since I became aware of myself, I have tried to find a way to “save the world,” so yes, I do tend to see life in a romantic way.
Regarding what you said about me trying to place myself as an equal to everyone here, it is because I am one—just like a stone, a dog, or a tree. We all share the same importance.
About the books: I was responsible for helping distribute, translate, and edit Carlos Castaneda’s books for the Spanish-speaking world in the early years of the internet. Because of that, I have a different version of Castaneda than yours. For me, he was not a master but an apprentice, and I learned alongside him throughout all this time.
I am able to maintain my inner silence until I eventually get bored of it, and I certainly reject all forms of imposed work and servitude. Because of that, it has always been very difficult for me to commit to conventional work, especially since I believed I was following a solitary path.
In my wildest dreams I never imagined there would be 30,000 people asking questions over the past six years, or even nearly the same number attending Tensegrity workshops. For me, all of this is surreal or astonishing. I never thought there would be so many people following this path.
That is why I intend to write a book similar to the one Ken Eagle Feather wrote, but much more practical—breaking down, defining, and laying out a clearly workable path that can actually be followed.
The greatest effort must always be done within oneself. I sacrificed my life—everything I could have become—in order to follow this path. It has been 25 years since I was a young unknown. I have shaped my life through decisions and what I would call pure intent. I built my own house, detached myself from friendships, and created my own business to survive—all as maneuvers of awareness, acquiring the necessary skills along the way without losing sight of my aim, knowing what I expect and what I am waiting for.
I tried to express myself as clearly as possible. I hope I have not caused any offense. I do not care much if someone believes there is no “salvation” for me. I have never needed anyone, and I do not intend to start now. I was simply glad to know that there are other living people following this path. In any case, no one can prevent me from learning what I wish to learn, and I am not someone who asks many questions.
If I must agree with one thing you pointed out, it is that I still have a lot of work ahead of me—and I believe I have time to try. There is much I have changed and released within myself over the years. One only needs to align with the intent of the ancient sorcerers for that intent to carry one forward.
Really i didn not expect your answer but its ok, there is no problem about, im Happy about
Perhaps you are drifting too much, inventing stories or new interpretations. That is how I felt when I first discovered Tensegrity. Now i see many of yours learn from there, and its ok for me, im not the same person i was so many time ago.. im almost empy of judge
My first nickname was Nagual_age1, then Nagual_age—like taking on the identity of a “first-age nagual.” I felt deeply identified with those old sorcerers. Later I became Nagual_age, wanting to express the “Era of the Naguals.” I used Nagual2012 when José Argüelles spoke about the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar, and I participated in GAP (Global Action Plan) groups where we meditated collectively to prevent the end of the world. Then I became Nagual2013 to close that chapter after 2013. If I have returned to Nagual2012, it is out of nostalgia. Dont take it personally.
I’ve been dead for a long time now, and there’s nowhere left to go back to
I’m sorry if my response came across the wrong way, but I can imagine how frustrating and disappointing it must be after trying to help so many people… In any case, you don’t need to do that with me. It has truly been a pleasure to share this time with you.
At no point have I claimed to be anyone’s nagual or anything like that. In fact, my main interest is to demonstrate—to myself at least—the validity of this spiritual path, because I long ago stopped believing it is necessary (or even Secure) to prove it to others.
In the end, it will be Spirit that indicates what is correct in its own time.
Reiki????
Jeez, were you fooled! That's got to be one of the worst fake systems around.
>I am able to maintain my inner silence until I eventually get bored of it,
No, you aren't.
Did you see the J curve map Carlos gave us?
Or even the pictures in this subreddit?
If you didn't move down to the red zone and see stuff like is on that map as pictures, you didn't even get close to stopping it.
You'd be breaking the laws of physics if you could do what you believe!
Why did you decide this sorcery doesn't actually work???
I'd say, you didn't even get out of the green zone, which is where Reiki gets you, at best.
No form of meditation gets you past the green zone. It's like the "security fence" to prevent humans from escaping. Bliss is the barrier to escaping.
I can point you to that J curve map if I didn't already. But it's available in the wiki.
Get yourself help from "Fairy", one of the two allies of Carlos!
She promised to help anyone who learned to move their assemblage point far enough to perceive her.
When you can see those purple puffs, let me know and I'll give you the instructions Fairy gave me. Or better yet, maybe she'll show up on her own.
She'll literally stand on your hand! Not in your "Reiki meditation visualizations", but FOR REAL.
A tiny fairy only 4 inches tall, standing on your hand, putting on a little show for you.
Cholita the witch could get her to move little plates in restaurants. And there's a piece of fancy paper that Ally selected for Cholita, hanging on my wall at home. Cholita bought it because Fairy liked it. I saw Fairy flying around it, making it move in the art store.
Carlos left us 2 allies, and both are available to anyone in here.
They've likely been hanging out in this lineage at least 800 years, and maybe as long as 8000 according to how old don Juan suggested that "seeing" is.
So if I didn't offend you into leaving, then please work hard.
And get real results for a change?
It’s very difficult to continue a conversation on Reddit, but I will try.
I never said “this sorcery didn’t work.”
I don’t say I believe in Reiki. I only said I became a master at 17, and I watched my mother go through cancer again and again, surviving each time. Maybe I just got tired of having to help, because people can’t help themselves.
How many times do you expect to use the energy of allies? Maybe my problem is that I don’t want to believe in anybody and I don’t want help from anyone. I don’t want debts. I want to become stronger in my own way. But I’m not so foolish as to not learn and test everything I see and feel.
I see that you have built a large part of this Reddit, and maybe I was wrong to ask a single question that wasn’t fully answered: whether tensegrity still exists and where to find information about it. I’m glad I can learn from everything you have published here, and I will do that.
On the other hand, I don’t have much time to waste on conversations. It’s very difficult for you to know me, and trying to draw conclusions from a single conversation will only waste your time—and mine as well.
I will look at all the images you recommend, and again I thank you for the work done and the time invested in this Reddit. I’ve just downloaded Taisha Abelar’s second book, Stalking the Double, and I’m very happy to be able to read it.
I have been living with these sorcerers since I was a teenager— for decades. I have never stopped being a child, and I have probably been nourished by their energies for a long time.
I will try to make contact with the “fairy” and give it a chance to push me forward, because I am very distrustful. Humanity carries an enormous weight—trapped and enslaved for millennia—and I still don’t fully understand who is to blame.
And yes, I can maintain my inner silence until I get bored, which you could interpret as me getting bored quickly.
Jokes aside, I am not the enemy. It was you who told me I was lost, that I shouldn’t waste my time, and that you weren’t going to bother guiding me back to the path. I have only tried to be grateful and, as we say in my country, "poner los puntos sobre las is" to set the record straight.
Regards
>How many times do you expect to use the energy of allies?
Actually you can't learn to move your assemblage point the way sorcerers do, without their dark energy.
You can read where that's found in the wiki, but you might remember it from don Juan explaining that to Carlos, in Art of Dreaming.
But you don't have to worry about over interacting with them. If your goal is Silent Knowledge (the end of that J curve), the Allies no longer look real, once you get to the orange zone at the halfway point.
So no more fun... I was sorry when the Allies no longer showed up looking real. Cholita and some old witch materialized on some stairs leading down to my room, and told me I was overusing the Allies, so they were taking them away.
And they did...
But I was already at the point where they'd cease to look real to me. So it didn't take much for them to pull that off.
For a while now, I've theorized that once your assemblage point reaches SK (silent knowledge), you can have realistic looking Allies again, if you put in some work to locate them.
Last night I found Fairy again, just to make sure she was still around and helping others.
She looked a bit squashed, and as if she were complaining about me neglecting her, but I was lucky to see her as a little woman again.
So she's around.
She gave me the impression that the Allies still need "permission" to mess with people, but as a group in this subreddit, we provide that as long as we keep discussing it.
>will try to make contact with the “fairy”
Actually it's "Little Smoke", but she kept showing up in scary forms, so I exercised the option all sorcerers have, and requested a form.
That's also the same thing as "wrestling with an Ally".
https://preview.redd.it/h6dpnmgvdn7h1.png?width=1448&format=png&auto=webp&s=b3a3c5e53fccdca20fb6158a29e378cc9453affe
Thank you for your response. Don Juan certainly states that visiting the dark world is necessary, since it is where sorcerers take their energy. I will take this relationship more into account, even though physically these allies bother me quite a bit—they try to grab me or touch me, haha.
I don’t intend to bother you or take more of your time. I will look into who Cholita is; I didn’t understand it or I don’t know it yet.
I couldn't get to your last comment. It's buried too deep and reddit doesn't work to find them like it used to.
Maybe it was the reply where I asked about the Infinite Readers papers? Reddit makes it a little difficult to keep track of some conversations 😄
If that's the one, this was me response to you:
"Thanks for the link, I'll look it up.
I like those papers; they help me align myself with the intent of that time.
Regarding inorganic beings (a better term than 'allies' somethimes), there's no knowing what they want to preserve—perhaps their own extinction not the knowledge, haha. They play with us as if it were a very long chess game.
On the other hand, I don't really see any reason not to ignore them or to take that supposed threat or coercion too seriously, lol. Don Juan didn't get along with them either 😃
They're like cousins we have to learn to put up with.
I didn't know about Nagual Lujan. I'm going to get his books, thank you! "
By the way, regarding Nagual Lujan's books, I have the first one in PDF if you'd like it.
Right now I'm reading Thaisa Abelar's latest book in English (and enjoy a lot). When I finish it, I'm going to translate it into Spanish
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/additional_resources/biblio/me_too_naguals/
The Nagual Lujan Matus is not the Nagual Lujan. You got badly confused. Dan was talking about the Nagual Lujan, not a pretender.
Ah, OK, thanks! I never fully trust anyone, but I always explore what people say to see if it feels true or not. The one I linked really blows my mind. He talks about reincarnations and the powers granted to him by the Death Defier. It's a pity he might just be a pretender 😄
Reincarnations are a human-centric perspective only, nothing to do with sorcery
well.. with the Death Defier by middle all could be possible aha 😉
jokes aside, In any case, this is one author on the list I really liked back then, Ken Eagle Feather. This book is quite well structured and helps build an outline of the theory that defines the Toltec path: Ken Eagle Feather – A Toltec Path: A User's Guide to the Teachings of Don Juan Matus.
Whether he's telling the truth or not when he claims that Don Juan Matus himself appeared to him and helped him in his development doesn't prevent him from offering a solid analysis of Castaneda's work. On the other hand, I've always thought he might actually be telling the truth about having been taught by Don Juan.
But what does it really matter? That's probably what Don Juan himself would say. In the end, it is up to each person to make themselves accessible to power. The means used to achieve that are not nearly as important as the goal itself. If it is a path with heart... then all that's left is to follow it to the very end.
But again, when it comes to the truthfulness of a person's experiences, it's often not so much a matter of someone trying to deceive others as it is of having deceived themselves. There are so many possibilities that can arise when you cross into the second attention that almost anything seems possible. You might even come to believe that you are God, or His primary reincarnation on Earth.
I don't know... there are so many things one can experience on the other side that it would be easy to mistake them for absolute truths when they are not. That's why Don Juan places so much emphasis on maintaining a sober state of awareness, avoiding those excesses and attachments that one can develop on the other side, and which ultimately do nothing but feed the personal ego.
To be quite frank, you are also deceiving yourself. The Intent of the Sorcerers of Ancient Mexico is faint, but it is possible to follow it, however, you are mixing yourself up by adding in all of these pretenders.
Now, Ken Eagle-Feather is false, he talks about Zen Buddhism and other things in this book you mentioned. "Any good metaphysical philosophy leads you to seeing" just makes you food for the fliers.
His ideas are at total odds with sorcery:
" every ideal we deal with in terms of spiritual traditions, religions, etc, is a device concocted by the flyers to keep us in a lull. "
This sorcerer's description is of course our ultimate nemesis; we don't want to believe that we are being raised for food. In this sense, naturally, the sorcerers' tradition is at total variance with any other kind of spiritual tradition. Sorcerers say, and believe me, not out of cynicism, that every ideal we deal with in terms of spiritual traditions, religions, etc, is a device concocted by the flyers to keep us in a lull. Imagine our disquietude upon examining, weighing and pondering this proposition.
Certainly, you are right in many respects. However, we should not forget that all the sorcery Don Juan taught Castaneda—practices inherited from the ancient seers—was intended to allow him access to a different pattern of reality, a different way of engaging with the world, and to place it in contrast with the ordinary way in which we experience reality.
The first purpose of this contrast, as I understand it, is to help us realize that any way of experiencing life is ultimately just a description. By having two opposing worlds, or two different descriptions of reality, we may be able to slip between them and approach Freedom as an abstract concept.
Don Juan's world of sorcery teaches us to abandon the patterns that configure our reality, to recover energy through recapitulation, and to cultivate an ethical system of behavior through the warrior's path, so that we can move through both the known and the unknown. But this is not an end in itself; it is a means toward attaining Freedom as an abstract concept.
Sorcerers create precise inventories and then throw them away, because making inventories is part of our human nature, but we do not have to become prisoners of them.
Reading Ken Eagle Feather gave me a great deal of enthusiasm because, apart from Castaneda, he was the only person through whom I felt connected to this ancient Intent, and later to the new seers. Yet my enthusiasm became even greater when I recently discovered this Reddit community. It is genuinely a joy to be able to discuss the flyers with others! (and not to be pointed for being crazy)
In any case, speaking personally, I believe that borrowing practices from Zen, or from any other system of thought, can indeed be helpful. Zacateca was a sorcerer who could See through his dancing. We can use many systems—or at least some of them—to assist us in our growth.
Personally, the practices I value most, and probably practice the least, are those inherited from Don Juan: the practices of Not-Doing. They force us to shift the assemblage point away from its habitual position, to act without expecting rewards, and to make ourselves available to Intent.
Saving energy in our daily lives, having nothing to defend, conserving energy (I repeat this intentionally) in every way possible, including sexually, and then, once we have freed ourselves from much of what we are and from what other people and the world into which we were born have placed upon us, using that surplus energy to accumulate personal power through acts of impeccability.
To act with total impeccability, to gradually develop the double, and over time to allow our everyday awareness—cleaned and refined through recapitulation and discipline—to take account of our perception on the left side. In this way, we avoid developing an awareness that is aberrant or impossible to control.
Don Juan placed great emphasis on sobriety and restraint because it is this awareness that we ultimately wish to carry into other realms of perception. We do not want to awaken there with a consciousness that is impossible to manage or that prevents us from reaching where we intend to go.
I hope I have not written too much. And please don't worry—I don't think I have deceived myself very much regarding Ken Eagle Feather. Besides, what he says is of little importance to me. What matters is what I do.
Once again, I would like to express my gratitude for being able to discuss these topics. It is a genuine pleasure.
Regards.
Are you a woman or a man?
Have you taken a look around the subreddit at what people can do while gazing? For example, one time while awake and with my eyes open, I was gazing into my hands at a cow and a horse near a fence. I kept it up for about an hour and a half.
The impossible happens during sorcery so please actually practice and make sure your assemblage point is shifting. If you remember, Carlos was seeing a poodle. However, it clearly states that Carlos stood up before seeing a poodle, he was not sitting or lying down.
Well, many people would say that I am a man—I have plenty of body hair and a beard. 😄
But as the witches used to say about the Nagual Juan Matus, he was no longer a man. That was why he could access Silent Knowledge directly, in the same way women do, without any intermediary.
Men, on the other hand, must build and assemble knowledge step by step, as the highest exponents of reason do. At the same time, don Juan, being a man of knowledge and also a man of words, invited his apprentices to have a romance with knowledge—not only to acquire a broader inventory with which to explain their experiences as sorcerers, but also because, from the furthest reaches of reason, it is easier to glimpse its opposite shore: the realm of Silent Knowledge, and to make the jump from there.
He said that this was how reason itself came into being: when the greatest masters of Silent Knowledge in ancient times decided to explain to themselves the nature of their experiences. From that point onward, a world governed by reason was gradually built and assembled—one in which the matter of the flyers surely played a significant role.
This is also why I sometimes feel a bit saddened when people argue endlessly about whether this or that is correct for sorcery. I think we talk too much. What truly matters is practice, and reaching the other side by cultivating freedom through the abstract flight.
Thank you very much for your advice to practice more. I will certainly keep it in mind. It makes me very happy to be able to discuss these subjects, which have served as a solid model from which to live my life for a very long time.
Seriously, I will take much more firmly the need to practice Recapitulation and Tensegrity.
I already make my own daily effort to save energy and be impeccable, but I am certain that once I begin practicing these powerful techniques, I will take a leap into the unknown—a leap I have not dared to take until now. 😄
Regards!
Start looking around and start with the assumption that it is all possible to do while awake.
As long as you hold to your fixation on different metaphysical systems you will always be hobbled.
In Taisha’s book, since you mentioned an exercise from her before, keep in mind that just about everything that happened was while dreaming awake.
Regards,
Thank you Emergency-Total-4851
I agree that any system of thought can become a limitation. That's precisely why I even have a hard time following the path of the old sorcerers... or the new ones. 😄
Greetings, and a big hug!
i will work hard, thanks again for your words
Whenever I see themes in CC’s books converted to Internet username(s) - I know heaps of gobbly gook and pretending incoming. So far it’s 100% fact.
In my defense, I will say that nobody I knew was aware of the meaning of my nickname. Maybe it was a mistake to use it in this Reddit. In any case, it is done.
I just watched your video, and I enjoyed it very much.
What I found especially interesting was how it illustrates the movement of the assemblage point along the human band—something that is never really shown in the books. It also discusses the different possibilities for challenging death, although it leaves out that of the Death Defier, who, according to the stories, would come and go from our reality from time to time.
I was particularly delighted by the part where Carlos Castaneda speaks about the immense energetic configurations he with his apprentices encountered—configurations that, as Castaneda hinted in some interviews, Don Juan could never have imagined. Seeing that era fills me with both excitement and nostalgia. It was a time I was never able to participate in directly, a time when dreamers and apprentices lived and worked alongside Carlos Castaneda during what must have been a truly extraordinary moment in history.
I would have loved to have been part of it, just as I would have loved to have been part of any of the groups surrounding the previous Naguals. Yet I am content with the era I was given to live in, and even more excited about whatever still lies ahead of us.
Just one detail: I noticed the video was marked as being intended for children! There is a certain irony in that, because in many ways most of us still are children—or at least children at heart.
I hope to learn at least a small part of what all of you learned along the way, and perhaps contribute my own grain of sand in return.
Thank you all for making this possible. I will be devouring that wiki over the coming days, and I will certainly begin practicing recapitulation and magical passes in the darkroom.
You could say that I refused to become the last witness of this dream that all of us are dreaming. That feeling prevented me from taking many steps until now. But I sincerely hope that we will be able to share more time together in the future.
In Lak'ech — I am another yourself.
I realized another Star Wars connection while viewing swirling energy body shapes last night, in order to figure out how to animate them.
But I've lost it...
It was unnoticed so far.
Wait! I got it back.
It was when Carlos went to visit the dancer. Was it Zacateca?
And he wasn't supposed to.
So Zacateca made him unable to speak (choke?).
Like the Sith do in Star Wars.
Don Juan did something similar at one point, making him naeusious just by gazing at his stomach.
Nice cards great work !