It doesn't take long for people reading in here to notice how adamant some of our more experienced members are about staying away from Magical Passes that were first presented after Carlos left.
Those from 1999, and later.
I mean, what's the big whoop?!? It's just an exercise. A dance even!
Why be so fundamentalist about such things?
Surely, that must add more energy to the internal dialogue; to be so critical about those later arrangements.
why so purist?
Well, we should first examine the definition of PASS. Definitions from Google's Oxford system:
- to move or cause to move in a specified direction. "he passed through towns and villages."
Similar: go - proceed - move - progress - make one's way - travel - drive - fly - run - flow - course - stream - roll - drift - sweep
Opposite: halt - stop
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to change from one state or condition to another. "homes that have passed from public to private ownership."
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to go past or across; leave behind or on one side in proceeding. "the two vehicles had no room to pass each other."
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to go beyond the limits of; surpass or exceed. "this item has passed its sell-by date."
Similar: surpass - exceed - go beyond - transcend - outdo - surmount
- transfer (something) to someone, especially by handing or bequeathing it to the next person in a series. "your letter has been passed to Mr. Rich for action." Or, be transferred from one place to another, especially by inheritance.
Similar: hand - let someone have - give - hand over - hand around - reach - transfer - convey - deliver
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These definitions begin clue us in on both why Carlos called them "Magical Passes," and to the importance of INTENT in association with the Magical Passes; both those detailed in the official book that Carlos wrote and that was published in 1998, the passes which were taught at the workshops in the years leading up to it's publication, and in the three VHS/DVD's that were produced in 1995.
Perhaps a simpler way to put it is to focus on the importance of association; of who actually arranged that pass, and who did it before you.
The history of it.
So much of the way Intent functions boils down to what was done before, or concurrently, if we're perceiving in a non-linear sense.
In fact, it's the only reason any of this technology even works; by associating, via our actions, with "The Intent of the Sorcerers of Ancient Mexico," which is exactly how Carlos phrased it in English.
And in order to experience a truly non-ordinary result from doing a tensegrity form, it needs to have been previously arranged by someone who was an actual bona-fide sorcerer. Someone who could move their assemblage point and see (perceive in the second attention) the result of the movements in the form...on the level of energy.
It's why we're so irate that Cleargreen wasn't forthcoming with which passes in the 1999-2001 workshop period were taught to them by Taisha Abelar, Florinda Donner, or Carol Tiggs, either in part, or as an entire long form....and which ones weren't.
A pass is a vehicle, of sorts, that when done with inner silence, transports our assemblage point to a new position. And if the tensegrity form you are doing was put-together by someone who could not move their assemblage point, and who wasn't impeccably-aligned with that Intent which Carlos mentions while they were designing it, where that form will transport you is nowhere.
It would be no different than doing Tai-Chi or Chi-Kung purely for the health benefits to the joints and ligaments.
It fact, it shouldn't even be called a Magical Pass, since it's neither magical nor capable of significantly shifting your perception in a way that will lead to a place anyone who's dedicated or pragmatic would want to be.
\"needs drugs\" to shift their a.p.
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Very well put, in plain words anybody is capable of understanding. Maybe some people perceive you guys as having a stick up your ass, but what else can you be expected to do. You’re defending the last bastion of real magic that we know of in this world. Even if you were all cruel vindictive people, it doesn’t diminish the truth of what you’re saying.
Interesting input. To be less cagey about all of this is the best way forward.
Keep in mind, as a counterpoint to the argument of what are "right" or "wrong" magical passes, is originally the magical passes were discovered by seers during their own personal vision quests, and the movements that they felt benefitted them the most were ones that seemed to "fit" their bodies, much like a custom tailored pair of pants or a suit jacket wouldn't fit everyone universally.
There is much to be said about just moving to feel good, coupled of course with shutting off the mind. Your body will inherently feel the grooves and the places where stagnant energy should be vibrated if you intend it.
There should probably be a unique blend of personalizing your magical passes, as well as adhering to a functional moveset and understanding of the movements that are geared towards redeploying energy into the centers that ALL of us are equipped with as humans.
After all, we are all human, right? Lol maybe some of us are something else...
It's not really a counterpoint, it's just a selected fact that can't stand alone in the context of sorcery since the passes were passed from one lineage to the next and they were practiced by a huge amount sorceres who were "seeing". So they hold strong intent. And that's important when you learn to move your AP and you want to take the right direction. The made up passes have nothing on them and you really can't compare then.
If one is creative and has a stone cold intent, you most definitely can compare them. If I am wrong, then I will tune my actions appropriately.
You have a big idea about yourself like the people of cleargreen but zero actual experience or knowledge of the subject. So you think that you are better and smarter to make up your own moves in opposition of the real sorcerers for milenia that followed a specific intent. Here take a quote from an actual sorcerer to her apprentice about the subject.
"I'm cramming all I can into your peewee brain because I want you to know about all these things. Knowledge assists in gathering energy; therefore knowledge is power. To make sorcery work, we must know what we're doing when we intend the result not the purpose, mind you, but the result of the sorcery act. If we intended the purpose of our sorcery actions, we would be creating sorcery; and you and I don't have that much power."
"I don't think I'm following you, Clara," I said, moving my chair closer. "For what don't we have enough power?"
"I mean that even between the two of us, we can't gather the overwhelming energy it would take to create a new purpose. But, individually we can certainly gather enough energy to intend the result of these sorcery passes: no wrinkles for us. This is all we can do since the passes' purpose- to keep us young and youthful looking- is already set."
"Is it like the recapitulation whose end result had been intended beforehand by the ancient sorcerers?" I asked.
"Exactly," Clara said. "The intent of all sorcery acts has already been set. All we have to do is hook our awareness to it."
You sound fun! Do you want to join our Tensegrity group tomorrow via Zoom? I will give you the deets if you are interested. My name is Joe Cattani.
Who's the facilitator of this tensegrity group? Nice to meet you Joe Cattani. May I ask , what is your intention behind inviting me to the group?
Energy, attraction, the fact that you responded, and an inclination of rebellion against percieved hierarchies of knowledge.
The intention is, "Who knows what? And who backs it up with action?"
There is no competition, we are only extending feelers into the unknown.
Knowledge can be a community pool, or a lake, or a beachfront where we all jump in the ocean. Anybody is welcome to accept or reject. It doesn't matter!
Let's see if it works. Anyone else reading this thread can join in as well.
The facilitator is 4 people (myself included), you, and whomever else can crash the party.
Nobody knows eachother.
Here's the Zoom link for Sunday - look forward to seeing you: https://us04web.zoom.us/j/73680440719?pwd=usoJ3C7ZPMsUqkWibOaavli0eqc3nP.1
8am Central time in the United States. 1 hour or less (or more).
If it doesnt work, welp, there are many more doors to open :)
What exactly is your creativity worth to Don Juan? He defines creativity in the books and yours doesn't seem to measure up. Are you quite so sure of your stone-cold intent when you don't even have creativity right?
"Creativity is this," he said and brought his hand with a cupped palm to the level of my eyes.
It took me an incredibly long time to focus my eyes on his hand. I felt that a transparent membrane was holding my whole body in a fixed position and that I had to break it in order to place my sight on his hand.
I struggled until beads of perspiration ran into my eyes. Finally I heard or felt a pop and my eyes and head jerked free.
On his right palm there was the most curious rodent I had ever seen. It looked like a bushy-tailed squirrel. The tail, however, was more like a porcupine's. It had stiff quills.
"Touch it!" don Juan said softly.
I automatically obeyed him and ran my finger on its soft back. Don Juan brought his hand closer to my eyes and then I noticed something that threw me into nervous spasms. The squirrel had eyeglasses and big teeth.
"It looks like a Japanese," I said and began to laugh hysterically.
The rodent then started to grow in don Juan's palm. And while my eyes were still filled with tears of laughter, the rodent became so enormous that it disappeared. It literally went out of the frame of my vision. It happened so rapidly that I was caught in the middle of a spasm of laughter.
When I looked again, or when I wiped my eyes and focused them properly, I was looking at don Juan. He was sitting on the bench and I was standing in front of him, although I did not remember having stood up.
Cool story bro. Write your own!
So... you really do like pretending...
You've been provided information about the magical passes and you've been provided information about creativity.
Seems like you are plagued by fliers if you can't do what Don Juan did to some limited degree.
You only see what you are allowed to see by the fliers. Which is nothing, right now...
“The most important secret is this—don’t try to be creative . It’s impossible . There is no such thing as art. No one has ever had an original thought. I knew a guy who told me, ‘I want to make real movies from my real self.’ That’s absurd! He can’t do that, then he’ll have an audience of one! No one will distribute real art, never. They only allow you to see what the critics approve, so it’s already been previewed by them. When we think we’re getting to our REAL SELF, that’s just another layer of Bobby the Flyer . I call them ‘Bobbies’ because that’s a little boy’s name, a little boy in shorts.”
You talk much... join us tomorrow!
I don't have time to kill. And neither do you.
I also find it absolutely comical, you telling me I "talk much". I barely said anything and you already want to defend your ego... From Don Juan and Carlos Castaneda (not me).
Judging by his responses, this is a new way of advertising through bots. This is most likely not a real person, but rather a neural network set up to promote certain channels.
Sorry man, it looks like you’re participating in bad faith based on the concepts that you’ve misapplied.
It seems like you want to be rewarded handsomely while putting in minimal to negligible effort.
If you’re genuine about learning sorcery, read all of Carlos and the witches’ books from beginning to end while suspending judgement. The sub itself has a wealth of resources for practicing sorcery.
If you’re truly genuine about learning sorcery, work on getting rid of self importance while practicing the core acts. Speaking from my own personal experience, it’s a trap that I’m currently combatting.
Cool man. Thanks for your input. See you tomorrow at 8am central time if you have some balls 😜
No problem. Thank you for the invite, but I’ll have to politely decline.
Will be using that time to continue to practice intending silence while doing my normal activities. It’s kicking my ass for sure 😭
I hope you understand that my entire input in this conversational thread is a not-doing lol.
I hope the workshop went well.
If you don’t mind my asking, how are you practicing?
When doing tensegrity and not-doing, are you actively cleaning your link to the spirit?
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One of our moderators popped into their zoom meeting out of morbid curiosity, but by the time they entered the meet (about halfway through) there was no one there.
That says volumes.
And this user also created another new account so they could try and evade the ban on their previous account.
Curiosity got me too when they mentioned not-doing.
Tried to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they were referring to energetic mass in an unrefined way.
But I guess not. Another bad player that’s unwilling to learn smh
Shouldn't you actually learn some sorcery first?
Have you looked around in here?
You can't do any of that. And yet, dozens of others can.
AND, Carlos told us to do precisely what you see in here.
This is what Carlos told us to do!
And yet, you're practicing bogus made up Cleargreen tensegrity anyway?
They don't teach the real thing anymore. Just what gives Reni the best chance to get more money.
Is that what you're part of?
didn't you read the warning from Carlos in Amy's book?
Look... If you're crazy (sure seems so), you can still learn!
Just leave others alone, like Cholita does as long as no one is in her way.
And Cholita kicks butt with magic!
But crazy and seeking attention from others, is the worst situation imaginable.
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You can't point to anyone who has done what you are implying.
So you're full of it.
Go ahead, try it! There's the internet now.
Where's your people doing fake magical passes, who have any magic?
In fact, where's anyone at all with real magic, outside this subreddit?
No one has been able to point to even one in the last 5 years.
The best we got was Daniel Ingram, who wouldn't even qualify as a talented beginner in here.
And has been stopped from going further than the red zone, by Buddhist delusions.
You talk too much... but i still love you ♥️
Actually the passes were discovered by the ancient sorcerers in dreaming. They’re the movements the energy body/double did in dreaming. I’ve never read of the term “vision quest” in the books or workshop notes, that sounds like Australian aboriginee stuff to me.
Seniors practitioners correct me if I’m wrong?
Actually the passes were discovered by the ancient sorcerers in dreaming. They’re the movements the energy body/double did in dreaming. I’ve never read of the term “vision quest” in the books or workshop notes, that sounds like Australian aboriginee stuff to me.
Seniors practitioners correct me if I’m wrong?
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Not to mention, what kind of person decides to become a paid teacher for tensegrity, before they ever got any of it to work to produce sorcery?
Who would want to even have a beer with such a man?
Who has attached himself to Aerin for some odd reason.
It's about as ugly as it can get!
Learn from people like that and your chances to succeed are so close to zero, it's not even worth calculating them.
Being struck by lightning is more likely than anyone developing the ability to move their assemblage point and assemblage other worlds, while learning from a con artist.
Even if he's "sincere".
A person who has truly attained mastery in witchcraft will not make money by teaching others, because earning from it already implies "deceiving another" or leading someone through illusory labyrinths, thinking up new levels of attainment and assigning price tags to them. I once read a saying about Buddhists: "Who would work in temples and clean the floors if everyone became enlightened at once?" It's a humorous expression, but it accurately reflects the situation. They will give you a job cleaning floors, and only at the end of your life might they introduce you to some meditative technique so that you can experience pleasure or being in nowhere and not question whether you spent all that time in vain.
How would you know?
As far as your Buddhist quote, those are only made for gullible westerners.
No Chinese believes that nonsense! Because they have to live with monks and masters.
In Taiwan, male children are given to the monks at the Buddhist temple as servants, by those too poor to feed their whole family.
And then they get molested.
And beat the drums at funeral processions, next to the daughters of temple elders dancing in bikinis.
I must admit to liking to watch funeral trucks go by in New Taipei, where I have an office.
Then when the males given to the temple grow up, they become toothpick chewing gangsters, controlling the cheap prostitution around the temple.
That's the reality of Buddhism.
You're just repeating the hype made up by bad western men, who wanted to cash in by importing it outside asian countries.
I do not claim accuracy. If a person is open, they will feel what stands behind the words I have written, as if beyond the printed text itself. The feeling that arises from reading it—that is what I want to convey. It’s not the words, but the feeling, you could even call it the meaning.
You've got to be an AI bot.
What you say is so childish, it's hard to believe any actual person could be that dull and stubborn.
Go do your pretending elsewhere.
This subreddit is only for preserving real magic, not for promoting mental masturbation.
I suppose the language barrier and the use of a translator are causing a misunderstanding of what I wrote or meant. Alright, let’s leave this topic.
I've been theorizing that's a problem in here. People using AI translators.
But you have a BASIC MISUNDERSTANDING of what this place is.
You think it's like other places, and that we encourage "interested people" to discuss things, before they actually know anything about real magic.
Which you don't. Nothing at all. You know negative amounts, about magic.
So keep in mind, there's no money being made by people in here, unlike everywhere else.
There's no religion, no group, no meetings.
It's unlike anything you ever saw.
So the assumption that you can chat away and "contribute" is the OPPOSITE of the truth.
What you say is harmful to beginners.
So go away until you understand what you're harming.
Which will obviously be never...
Now I understand what you are writing about. Thank you for your response. Previously, I didn’t understand your reaction You didn’t like that I wanted to contribute not by describing personal results in a dark room, but by reasoning on general topics that might distract or confuse beginners, as well as being superficial or incorrect. You are right, I have nothing to say here. Thank you for pointing that out.
So get to work, learn real magic, and then you'll actually have something to say.
Ah, a translator. Not to jump on the bandwagon, but I was gonna say, your linguistic style and tone are very AI like.
Yes, I use an AI-powered translator because regular Google Translate often makes many mistakes, making it even harder to understand. I write in my native language and then ask for a translation into English, but I can assure you that there is no aggression in the original text either. I see no point in aggression—it only drains energy and kills intention.
I think we are talking about the same thing. You just stated it with facts and in a more precise way, while I gave a general judgment.
I'm still convinced your an AI bot.
Mostly because of how tedious you are.
Come join us right now! Ahahah
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Dan, you would have seen me if you joined the zoom. We are not figments of your reddit imagination lol.
I am not AI.
Here's a directly related passage from Castaneda's Silent Knowledge publication, that explains why an invented pass is such a travesty to achieving success with this technology:
"How were those magical passes invented, don Juan?" I asked.
"Nobody invented them." he said sternly. "To think that they were invented implies instantly the intervention of the mind, and this is not the case when it comes to those magical passes. Sorcerers of ancient times, through their dreaming practices, discovered that if they moved in a certain way, the flow of their thoughts and actions stopped.
"The magical passes are the result of a state of mindlessness. Or rather yet, the result of having disconnected the mind. In order to dream, practitioners must excrete such a tremendous discipline over themselves that the result is the fleeing of the mind."
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And part of a comment made today from u/danl999 :
"The MIND is an illusion.
That becomes obvious when you move your assemblage point to the other side of the body and thoughts become impossible.
You're then surrounded by what might be interpreted as "thoughts" if you observe the activity in them. And that some of it reminds you of your current "concerns" in life.
But that's not because it's a thought. That's because it's a tiny bit of your awareness, stuck on a small range of emanations in the dark sea. So those are "transmitting" part of reality back to you.
I suppose you could say that our "mind" is external to us, and infinite in size.
It's ripples in the multiverse which manifest as little dreams floating in the air. As choices you can enter using "will".
All fully visible with your eyes wide open! Unlike other fake magical systems (all of them are), sorcery is purely observational.
You REALLY get to do it, and learn from how it behaves...
...That's when you can notice clearly that the mind doesn't exist, except in your internal dialogue....
But you're right that Olmec sorcery is a technology.
More advanced than physics, but these days physics seems to be catching up, with experiments like quantum erasers, or the theory that information can flow out of black holes on hawking radiation, proving that information can't be destroyed.
That's physics getting closer and closer to finding the emanations, the source of it all."
I suppose that's a compromise on Miles bashing. I'll post a picture of a fake pass he created, along with this. But only on facebook.
I decide not to post the pic of his drunken "Calling the Allies" pass, which has foot stomping and clapping.
But I did mention what he's up to lately, with his fake understanding of "Will".
Reni and Miles always seem to deliberately come up with something their delusional followers can pretend very easily.
Why either of them doesn't actually follow the instructions Carlos left us, is a big mystery to me.
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