Here's another obvious thing we missed.
The importance of "constructs" in sorcery.
But don't make the mistake of assuming sorcery constructs are imaginary! These aren't closed eye "astral planes" or week long meditation retreat "inspiring visions".
You'll find yourself in these phantom realities 5 seconds after turning off the lights to practice darkroom, when you get far enough along on the J curve of assemblage point movement.
Five seconds on a good night that is. When you have a lot of dreaming energy saved up and didn't make any energy depleting mistakes during the day.
Once the situation is ideal, constructs will actually offer themselves to you for a starting base from which to do your Tensegrity forms.
Of course at first you have to work hard to reach full silence, in order to get those constructs to assemble.
Ideally using Tensegrity since it contains the clues and intent for many different constructs. Constructs which likely often carry the intent of past sorcerers.
Once a construct forms fully, you can literally walk right off into it. Fully awake, eyes wide open, and completely sober.
Don't ask me how you get back, seeing as how you just violated the laws of physics and walked through a solid wall.
You just do. So far, none of us knows how.
But the books are full of stories about that.
Such as Carlos practicing jumping off a cliff! Why is it that almost no one in our community paid attention to the dual timelines going on in that story? Or to the absence of any account of how he climbed back up!
There was your clue as to what don Juan and Genaro were really doing. And to why you automatically return from walking through a solid wall.
Although one time, I got frightened and ran back through the wall the way I came, like an idiot...
I was chasing Cholita, and became worried that the mountain trail I was now following her along, couldn't be "real". So I ran back into my room, and lost Cholita. There was no way for me to go back through the wall again. It was solid!
Here's a tip: if you run through a solid wall and are afraid, just sit down and see what happens. Pay close attention.
Don't run back the way you came! Then you'll never know what really happened.
Naturally it's best if you have a guide to introduce you to a new construct which you haven't learned to perceive by yourself yet.
Such as Silvio Manuel. He even used to grab people by the nape of the neck, and hurl them into his constructs.
Don't doubt he could do that. Cholita can lift me with one finger when the situation is just right.
But we don't have any Silvio Manuels around, so we have to find or make our own constructs.
If we became obsessed with duplicating Silvio Manuel's variety of constructs on our own, we'd likely fail due to excessive "book deal mind". A concern over being validated or "right" in the eyes of other people. So that you can gain fame and money.
Which focuses so much of your awareness back on your concerns in ordinary reality, that you can't possibly move your assemblage point far enough to make your own constructs from scratch.
Sorcerers can assemble fully real alternate realities, and you can even decide to live in the more substantial ones.
Such as the death defier's virtual copy of the city of Tula, where the Toltec empire fell.
Fortunately, all of the tensegrity forms done properly lead to becoming their own very vivid construct. A little phantom reality you can both see, and feel. And hear and smell at advanced stages, or if you have a talent for one of those alternate "hooks" to reality.
Carlos even told us what they could become, for many of the tensegrity forms.
But we seem happy to pretend to be slinging a lasso made only of energy, which we can't actually see or feel.
We got used to the idea that all magic is pretend, and even decided ours was too.
Here's some famous constructs we were introduced to in the books or lectures of Carlos, for accessing the second attention:
The wall of fog
The sand dunes
"The Wall" of seeing
The Whorl which spits out text
The Whitish light on surfaces (a proto construct)
The Puffs (also a proto construct)
A proto construct is just a name I made up for things everyone is likely to see. They "aren't really there", and yet, if people reliably see the same thing, it's not entirely a construct of your own doing.
Making those the beginning of the realization of how real constructs can become.
The granddaddy of all constructs might be the Wheel of Time
That one lets you stand at the center of many constructs, showing every possible thing you could be seeking as a modified version of reality. And when you find what you want, you can switch over to that version of reality.
To heal a physical ailment or injury perhaps.
Carlos tried to do that at the end, but we'd used up all of his energy.
Constructs not only teach you about intending and will, but also about the very nature of reality and what makes it seem real.
The AI couldn't visualize the wheel of time, and made a smaller tunnel to another reality. But the construct it drew is also possible.
I've seen the wheel of time as a hall of paintings. Showing all the naguals in our lineage, with the goal of convincing me that our sorcery was too precious to be lost, and I needed to take action to get people to stop the pretending, and learn for real.
"Fairy" brought me to that hall of paintings while I was sitting on the steps of the On 8 hotel in Bangkok, pondering how incredibly hot and humid it is in Thailand.
Good thing Taisha mentioned having seen a painting of one of the Naguals in our line!
Otherwise, to see the "wheel of time" as a series of paintings instead of furrows with a reality inside, is worrisome.
Thank goodness for all the books Carlos and the witches produced.
We need them all!
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In light of what we know now technology wise, what do you think is the eagle Emanation? The old sorcerer called it that way, but the new ones did not really agree with the terminology but go along with it.
The law of physics only applies to word of objects. But since a sorcerer should start with there are no objects other than our perception in the ordinary world, the law of physics may not apply to them at some point as well
Quantum physics keeps going deeper and deeper, and the concept of "branes" seems to be closer to what seers found.
That and circular superstrings.
But even more importantly, their claim that nothing has an actual position in the universe until it's observed by consciousness is very close to what seers realized.
Making consciousness a needed element to hold reality in place.
In old physics, consciousness was irrelevant.
Now it's central to physics.
Anyway, sorcerers don't care if something contradicts something else.
It happens all the time in sorcery!
Because you can only make rules or understandings, based on the specific situation that's been discussed.
If a different situation is present, the original rule or understanding might be inapplicable.
There's a few instances like that in the books. In one, Carlos complains that seers seem to have created a system of contradictory facts.
Don Juan chastises him and points out that seers didn't create anything, and don't care about being consistent.
Just what they see themselves, in a given situation.
Carlos called those "energetic facts".
I like the fact that the new seers treat their knowledge like scientists actually. Very progressive. As new facts were founded based on the info from their seeing they were more than willing to change their ways like re structuring the old sorcerers techniques and creating the warrior ways as one of the solutions
Wow. Today my wife woke and told me her dream. She said a drunk man hand her a really tiny white cat. When she take it home, the cat turned black and started talking to her, it said his name was "Brana" (brane in spanish).
I jokingly said it was an inorganic being.
Maybe it really was considering the coincidence.
Could be! But if it can't manage to come back again, there's no way to be sure.
Just because it managed to visit in a dream, doesn't mean your wife can move her assemblage point to the green zone, so that she could perceive it while awake.
And trying to learn from the asleep is next to impossible, unless you get good enough to find your hands inside the dream daily.
That's what brings tonal rationality into the situation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/InterdimensionalNHI/s/2mtQ08xp2C
Every past has the future, every future has past and so on..at every fork of decision those concepts apply. And you can go both backward and forward not just linearly..wheel of time indeed
I agree about the books. I rereading several of them to instill it into our left side further.
Don Juan Matus said the important thing is not that you can see but the reason and purpose behind it.
Being able to see and stalk with no real purpose may lead to self importance which is the biggest enemy of a warrior
I asked him if he himself had experienced the third attention. He said that he was on the periphery of it, and that if he ever entered it completely I would know it instantly, because all of him would become what he really was, an outburst of energy. He added that the battlefield of warriors was the second attention, which was something like a training ground for reaching the third attention. It was a state rather difficult to arrive at, but very fruitful once it was attained.
If you can't both see and stalk for real, then you have no hope of reaching the third attention.
The books give clear definitions of both seeing and stalking, so don't make up your own.
I don't. I literally just re listened to the book , the Fire from Within yesterday. I just repeated what Don Juan said in the book.
I am seriously curious as to how the students of Castaneda interpret the teaching in light of the advancement in technology and science. Just like how the new seer re-structures the teaching of the old sorcerers as they understand the emanation better. Don Juan even said they don't really like the use of Eagle as the terminology as eagle produces turd..both him and Don Genaro laughed about it in the book.
So naturally, as many of the people here my understanding are advanced already, I just want to ask whether they understand the Emanation better? Whether they are able to dream together so that they are able to see and understand it better?
It is literally from the book. I don't understand the harsh respond to my comment.
It's very common that people make up their own definitions for "seeing" and "stalking" and use it to justify themselves.
If you aren't practicing moving your assemblage point, then you are not on your way to the third attention anyways, so practice.
If you have started practicing, then my apologies, but if not, just start.
We are all seeking freedom, but seeking freedom requires entering the battlefield of the second attention.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/index/goal/
I am trying to jump off my fear as I still think that someone with experience should guide a beginner in the beginning of the journey. That's why I relistened certain books to get nuggets I can follow thus I can leap safely. I did find assurances here and there especially pitfalls to avoid. I truly understand the concepts behind it with no problem at all.
I just don't want to be stuck in between worlds.
Then why aren't you recapitulating. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that and is a method to dodge the Eagle, and was considered extremely important by Don Juan.
"Sorcerers believe," don Juan went on, "that as we recapitulate our lives, all the debris, as I told you, comes to the surface. We realize our inconsistencies, our repetitions, but something in us puts up a tremendous resistance to recapitulating. Sorcerers say that the road is free only after a gigantic upheaval, after the appearance on our screen of the memory of an event that shakes our foundations with its terrifying clarity of detail. It's the event that drags us to the actual moment that we lived it. Sorcerers call that event the usher, because from then on every event we touch on is relived, not merely remembered.
Thank you.
Recapitulation is also important as a defense mechanism against iob with bad intention.
How far do you have to recapitulate?
But there is this feeling or knowing, I don't know what to call it, that I will be alone. I can't recall where it comes from. I have a wonderful and loving childhood.
Do you have to go far, or let the efforts guide you.
It's important to read the text carefully.
"It's the event that drags us to the actual moment that we lived it."
I.e. if you aren't time travelling, you have more work to do (and that's the start).
Thank you. I think I understood.
You have to always remind yourself that we are not capable of determining what that reason and purpose actually is. The purpose behind seeing. Or anything, really.
The whole “why am I here?” philosophical schema is best left out of this.
For those of us here, our greatest enemy isn’t self-importance but soothing self-deception. Pretending…since Don Juan’s and Carlos’s group had mature sorcerers to prove things to them before they were capable of doing so on their own, and we have none.
Thank you.
I don't think it means the purpose behind seeing in a philosophical way, but I think it means why do you want to see? What is the purpose? For example, you want to study one of the bands available for organic beings. Just an example. Thus, this goal, will lead you to conduct your steps towards achieving such results. It is more of a practical purpose, rather than a philosophical one. Overall the overarching purpose is to study the Eagle Emanation in depth so that you can understand it and be free.
I think studying the emanation in depth can only be done as a group as no one has enough energy for it per the book.
I truly love engaging with seniors in this sub reddit as I have no one to ask questions in real life.
Speaking for myself I can say that i don't have an agenda as per what I want to do. I'm doing it bc I want to experience the pinnacle of awareness as a human being in my life. And seeing for me it's a height of that experience. I believe many practioners are similarly and don't have these agendas you describe.
After all, all these become available after you learn to see and you can't choose what you'll get.
All that questioning about purpose is very mental and doesn't get you anywhere, it's just a waste of energy and grey matter imo. What is more important is to work and progress, not think for hypothetical things.
Thank you🙂
The books elude a purpose of sorcery unfortunately.
It shows the evolution of it from the old ones to the new ones. It eludes that the Warrior Ways was established in light of new knowledge gathered by the new seers.
It shows that a Nagual and his or her apprentices are not doing it for merely experience, but they are doing it to understand the so-called Eagle Emanation and how it works better so that they can navigate their way as they work to escape it.
The new Seers established several lineages to further their study to accomplish their goal, How to face the Eagle Emanation and does not burn in the process.
There was a post by one of the members earlier that refers to the existence of such lineages and their purpose. If I am not mistaken he said that they go in groups for" time traveling".
But I think it is more like what Don Juan said they go in groups so that they have enough energy to study the Eagle Emanation.
I felt the knowledge that Don Juan passed to Carlos is akin to Spiritual Science, the information or data is gathered through direct observation by the Seers. Thus, to get the knowledge to evolve further, practitioners have to have purpose and direction to ensure the goals of previous Sorcerers move forward.
Especially as a community. Having a community, even without a Nagual, means it can join its energy to do tasks that may not be achievable individually.
There are still aspects that Don Juan eluded that the new Seers did not understand completely from their seeing and need to be studied further. Thus, it is the responsibility for the next generation of Seers to elucidate the matter.
My two cents of course. Please DON'T be mad at me for saying it.
This could make sense if you wouldn't take in consideration the actual way of how things happened in lineages and in a way how things happen here.
Most of what you read in Carlo's books were the training for the male nagual and we are not it. The juiciest knowledge was given in heightened attention also. Very important thing to hold in mind.
Apprentices were chosen and hooked to the intend and they doing the practices without being projected all this you describe. Their goals were for them to clean their link to intent by cleaning their own tonal and get some ability to move their ap and master those ways.
In our own way that's what we aim here, each one individually is responsible for themselves and their progress on this path as it was in linages anyways. So you see if someone has that kind of agenda we have observed from experience that they don't work. Just like in the lineages someone had to be hooked on it and doing it without agenda. Same applies here.
All what you describe is very far on the list of accomplishments and since I want to be pragmatic I focus in one step at a time that I can achieve.
I'm not mad with you it's just worthless talking.
Just like if a preschool child is talking about 3rd grade equations without even knowing what addition is.
Thank you for humbling me with the preschool reference. 😁
It's unlikely anyone with significant self-importance could learn to see.
That's the very thing which prevents it.
I guess there's real oddballs like the Nagual Julian, but his antics weren't so much ego, as habits he'd picked up and didn't see any reason to overcome them.
Which is understandable.
I always like to say, you can't ever change yourself, except very slightly, over decades of time.
If you're a shithead, sorcery won't make you not a shithead.
All it does is let you stop being "you" for a while, when you're practicing hard and your assemblage point moves to the other side of the body.
Which is quite frankly, antithetical to Christianity.
We all ought to want to be kind to everyone around us, and charitable within reason.
That's just being a "good person".
Sorcerers do that in spades! I could tell stories about what Carlos did to help others, which isn't commonly known.
But the way Christianity works is, it's like an earworm for feeling guilty.
You make a mistake, which everyone does, then you worry God will punish you, or maybe you just feel really guilty about it, and so to relieve yourself, you ask for forgiveness.
But this point of view continuously forces you to feel bad, cleanse yourself, and repeat.
It's an endless vicious cycle of bad feelings, which drive away the energy body.
Sorcery won't cure you of "sinning", but you won't make stupid ones anymore because your motivations are focused on something beyond normal life. On navigating into other realms.
And, once you move your assemblage point into the orange zone, there's no such thing as feeling bad about yourself.
The "self" is no longer operative.
It's like, "that's not really me at all".
There are two types of people according to Don Juan. Those who care for others and those who don't. Nagual Julian falls under the one who doesn't care. There is a very interesting conversation in the book about this.
This unfortunately innate personality somehow. You can work hard to overcome it just like Don Juan said that he work hard to overcome his nature as well.
At some point in the journey, morality becomes a moot point. Impeccability requires conducts that actually in line with morality but like you said with no guild attach to it thus preventing energy created by it to be diverted by guild and fear, especially fear.
It may not come from your tradition, but just want to share, the big Sufi Ibn Al Arabi said that "at certain stage of understanding religion is no longer necessary".
I feel like with all these understanding a leap has to be taken. Don Juan said it is hard to make others understand but when the cycle comes if it comes, it will become clearer
Has Carlos ever talked about the coming new cycle?
Yea, sort of.
But probably not in the way you mean.
Sufi?....
It's not a good sign if you really think that's going to be useful to you to learn sorcery.
Sufism is no different than all the other pretend systems out there.
It gets you to the green zone, but no further.
And burdens you with false narratives about the nature of reality.
They justify the delusions, with green zone effects.
Then based on self-flattery, people accept that the delusions must be true, because even green zone magic is wonderful, if you've never moved your assemblage point at all.
Buddhism does that.
When this subreddit started showing real magic 5 years ago, Daniel Ingram could reliably get to the green zone, and talk to the Allies.
He didn't realize that's what he was doing, but it was obvious to anyone who practices darkroom.
5 years later, he's completely stuck there.
And it takes him a week of meditation to even get that far. Hopefully he's at least gotten that down to a few hours.
But he can't give it up and move further, because he's been saddled with Buddhist religious delusions.
And maybe the effects of pretending to "lead" people down the Buddhist path, until he's unable to admit to his students that he fucked up big time.
But we have witchy witch to keep pestering him about it.
I tried a few years back.
>But we have witchy witch to keep pestering him about it.
He said to me the reason he won't go deeper into magic is because he already did much of it in his past lives. For example, he had the experience of once being a "karmic temporal god-wizard thing" that set into motion the best possible configuration of reality, so whatever bad stuff happens, it's actually he best possibility.
And he is agnostic and doesn't necessarily buy The Eagle thing.
He told me too, that 20 years ago his friend had a problem. Every time he would touch a piece of technology like a computer or a generator or a light or whatever, it would stop working.
So Daniel did the "basic scrying", and said, "Okay, it looks like you have two demons. One of them seems to be a tech demon, sure. Let's see what we can do about that." So they did an 'old-school banishing ritual'. Daniel now thinks that could be a bad idea because of the effects it had and it could have been more caring, understanding, and empathetic to this thing's circumstances. Anyway, they sent the tech demon away, and all of a sudden the problems with the technology stopped.
Weeks later Daniel was working on a house, standing on a ladder with a drill. The drill malfunctioned, spun around, and fractured his hand. Then he got pulled into some other space, saw the demon standing there smiling and it stuck out its hand and said, "Gotcha!" Then Daniel went back to his shooting pain from his broken metacarpal.
Wow, that guy is out to lunch...
I had no idea he was also nuts.
And apparently on a gigantic ego trip.
I crossed Shinzen off my list of people with real magic, when he came her to attack.
I suppose I'll have to write Ingram off as being a broken man.
Well he got into the Western esotericism stuff, same as you did. You did the ritual of Abramelin 20 years ago or something. He would do a ritual where you have to draw pentagrams in the air by visualizing them. But he used fire kasina to actually see them, since he wasn't able to see them, before.
So he doesn't have the same phobia for all the different religions and stuff that you've developed, as he simply doesn't care that much.
What also might be interesting is that he says he took a large dose of mushrooms once and shapeshifted into a panther, actually having the tactile experience of being a panther with its body, and feeling extremely hungry and felt an urge to eat his girlfriend. I asked, "What would have happened if you tried to eat her?"
"That would have been bad."
Anyway the main point is that he prefers his job as a scientist to going deeper into magic, and his more respect for green zone stuff from all the varieties of different human religions. That's why he's kinda lazy.
That doesn't excuse being sloppy.
He never grew to realize there's a specific path to knowledge, and all the side stuff never gets you anywhere.
He still believes "It's all good". But thinks he found one closer to the truth, which nevertheless still agrees with all the other stuff.
He's lost in the river of shit, but relishing it.
And instead of using real progress tested by real magic, he's claiming he already got to levels of real magic "in a past life".
So he doesn't need to in this one.
He's given himself permission to pretend any way he likes as long as he can find some other "system" which has that point of view.
Not having realized at all, there's nothing out there but profiteers.
His view of things harms those he claims to be helping.
And what I did in the past doesn't really matter much.
You've got a guru fetish to keep using that to win an argument. As if you pick who to listen to, based on who you admire. Rather than what they're teaching and whether it works or is just the same as elsewhere.
Once you start to actually make progress down this path, is when you develop actual sobriety and discernment.
You get a reliable "bullshit detector".
He doesn't have one yet.
Which is obvious on his social media.
There's nothing going on there with others learning also.
Just a few meditation retreat testimonials.
Extremely few...
By the way, the excuse that he doesn't need real magic, on hearing others have it, is what SuperR's Buddhist guy said. Possibly when confronted with this place.
That he'd meditated past the need for magic.
Into some super enlightened state we can't comprehend in our lowly state, which is why he can't do any real magic. It's beneath him.
It's an interesting trend, if you can count 2 lame excuses as a trend.
I always thought Buddhists would just up their pretending. Of course, that won't do them any good, because you can just look at their web pages and see that the new pretending also isn't working for anyone but the leader making the claim.
But instead it seems that Buddhist leaders who are confronted with the obvious fact that there's real magic back in the world elsewhere, fully out in the open, will merely claim they're above it. Or beyond it.
They won't even bother to pretend it.
I suppose that should have been obvious.
Westernized Buddhists have always been the ones who pretend to be more intellectual, or more justified as "scholarly".
With absolutely nothing to back it up.
I presume it's a Confucianism hangover.
Chinese Buddhism is nothing at all like the original Hinduism the Buddha taught.
It's really just a corruption of Confucianism, Ancestor worship, and Daoism. Tossing in some Hindu nonsense possibly also taught by the "real Buddha".
As such, Chinese Buddhism is suffering from an overdose of "wise sayings".
Something the Chinese themselves got immune to long ago, but which still tricks westerners.
They REALLY did master the art of saying "wise" things, in order to steal money from others.
Such as "I got over magic in a previous life".
It sounds so wise.
Except, there are NO previous lives!
They've confused their dreams caused by falling asleep during closed eye meditation, with perhaps quick glimpses of cyclic beings were you "know" that's actually you, with a past life.
The ONLY way one can protect oneself from the human tendency to pretend to have magic, worshipping spiritual heros to justify what one hasn't actually learned themselves, is through real magic.
Once you shun real magic, you've given in to pretending and being ripped off by con artists.
But Buddhists already did that, so I guess it should have been obvious they wouldn't wake up just because of our activities.
Ingram says there are no gaps in his ontological agnosticism.
So he may have the cyclic being closed eye meditation and not know how to interpret it. He wouldn't say he has 100% confidence that reincarnation is real, just that he had this experience.
The thing is that if reincarnation is real, or conceivably real by rearranging the emanations into a view of reality where it's real, then that means human life has significance, death is not that important, and so on.
I don't know that he would say he got over magic in a previous life but rather that he possibly has never been a human before, so now he is more interested in human world.
Just as I was implying. He's basing his understanding on one or two slightly cool experiences with long periods between.
He thinks he sees reincarnation, and so he goes out and starts giving lectures on it and using it to justify laziness on his part.
He isn't experiencing daily growth which always goes further than the day before, over a period of years.
He's lost in his own fantasies of social rewards from "teaching" others. And only needs a few "talking points" to accomplish that.
Same as all fake magic systems.
I suppose a good analogy would be like me claiming to understand Japan, just because I visited it a few times.
That's Ingram. He saw japan 6 times.
And claims to understand it.
But the truth is, you have to live there, daily, for a good decade before you start to understand that wacky place.
That's the difference between our magic, and other systems that we've seen so far.
Ours is real and daily. Theirs is an infrequent visit as a tourist, to just the outskirts of town. With the goal of getting human attention as an expert travel agent for clueless people.
Yeah I won't argue against that this place is more valuable than Ingram.
Just not to bully little Ingram. There are a few nitpicky points, like he doesn't consider himself a teacher, he doesn't accept students, he obviously doesn't think his buddhist stuff was ultimate since the meditation retreats he does now are all about magic (if you pressed him on it, he would understand and appreciate the point of view that it's crap, while maintaining the "it's all good" view), and he doesn't give lectures about reincarnation.
He sort of implied that when he would die, he would just die, but is still agnostic on the issue. He said to me, "There would still be sensations happening in the world, and people would see images of me of their computers," in regards to what happens after death. The reincarnation experience was just something he told me, that his life immediately prior to this one lasted for an incomprehensibly long amount of time.
Ok, I admit he doesn't sound so bad if he's still honestly trying to figure things out.
Cholita has a little stack of things she's investigating, and when I come home I often find her sitting at her desk, making detailed notes on what she's gleaned from her books.
And it's pretty obvious Ingram has more talent, or is more serious, than your typical Buddhist.
In fact, he's been criticized by more mainstream Buddhists.
You aren't supposed to talk about magic so much. It makes them look bad.
>But we have witchy witch to keep pestering him about it.
There's an interview where he mentions while awake and eyes open walking through a wall, then snapping back to the physical body. And he mentions black and gray puffs.
The issue is that he has a wife who probably is not a sorcerer (not a witch wife like Cholita), and is not celibate. So a lot of time will be spent on his blue zone wife. That's one of the things the Buddhist dogmatists that attack him mention, that he doesn't meet the definition of enlightened because one of the signs is you're supposed to be celibate.
Also he is a scientist, and he wants to affect the future understanding of medical science in relation to magic, such that the DSM would acknowledge these sorts of experiences. Like if Carol went to a psychiatric hospital or if you checked yourself in (if it was a country like Thailand it would use the ICD, which might get affected eventually), they would treat it differently.
That's what his organization the EPRC is.
Hopefully he figures out that Buddhism is total nonsense and gets free of it.
Buddhism doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it!
And the teachings...
It's all "poor me..."
But then we had that zen guy who didn't even bother to look around in here, and got angry on being told the truth, when he had an endless stream of posts and people's experience right in front of his nose.
But was dead set on whatever attention seeking he was involved in.
I don't understand it.
They'd say, there's all sorts of cults, and everyone claims to have magic.
Oh yea?
Where???
There isn't any.
Ingram was the closest, and it wasn't much.
Shinzen turns out to be not a very good man.
The AI can tell you about it.
But the AI does list Shinzen and Ingram as the only buddhism it knows of, that actually produces magic.
Once you get it used to the idea that the magic, should actually have magic.
And not just be closed eye make believe.
He already finished buddhism, he got the final achievement. He recommended getting it to me.
His obstacle to dedicating all time to sorcery is not buddhism but that he has a normal life, but also his abnormal sorcery stuff is baked into his job which is inherently a social engineering thing.
There's an interesting thing where your father was an anthropologist and behaviorist. His was an epidemiologist and doctor. Your adventures in Thailand are different than his.
Or in the third world country stories, like children thinking you're Colonel Sanders / Santa Claus going to give them Christmas fried chicken dinner and biscuits. Ingram worked in India as a volunteer doctor treating the sick and has stories of an emaciated homeless man he called "the artist" being brought to tears by drawing a rainbow with crayons on a piece of paper and also the same man accidentally dropping a heroin needle into overflowing sewage and then injecting it anyway, Ingram swimming to a remote island to treat people where scared women ran away because they thought he was a ghost, and on the island of diseased grass-and-dirt-eating poverty he saw graffiti that said, "NUKE PAKISTAN". Not to mention Lawton appears to be on the right, Ingram is on the left.
So in your analogy you saw, you are a puppy slapper and cat person, you'll knock and smack puppies upside the head to try to "train" them. Ingram is a puppy snuggler and doctor/healer.
Dan can you expand on energy depleting mistakes with some examples? I think energy is very important
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Interesting about constructs. Don Juan was fairly emphatic that those were created as an expression of a powerful intent i.e. the "cosmic vagina" that Silvio Manuel made, but that it wasn't to be confused for something that was needed. It was just a way for us to make the unknowlable into the known. This is what confused Don Juan for many years. I've always taken that to heart.
However, I went, after a long absence, to a Cleargreen seminar last year. I wanted to visit Mexico to see once again some of the pyramids and other structures and how my relationship had changed to them. Plus, I had never seen the Museum of Anthropology. We did a lot of gazing and I saw many things but one thing that stood out was the "tunnels of energy". They resembled the tesseract from Interstella but pure energy. The chacmools had them as did the pyramids in Teotihuican and the Atlanteans in Tula. Some of them went to other power spots, even Egypt, while some went to who knows where. It wasn't something I had ever heard about but many people saw them. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough energy to jump through them, or perhaps I was limited by the people I was with.
The final place we went was a cave in Cacahuamilpa. At the end of the cave, was a vortex you could access. I struggled to "see" it but eventually did. At one point, a face popped out. It had a big nose and a fedora-like hat; it looked like a woodland creature of some sort. I heard it say without words, "Not enough energy. Try again later."
Reni later said, during a Q and A, that there was a guardian of the vortex. Her description matched what I had seen. Maybe next time I go, I will have the energy to jump through, although I am reluctant to involve myself too much with the old seers. Their concretness kept them down in the end. But, perhaps as an exercise I will try again at some point to go there and jump.
Either way, save that energy, kids!
" i.e.the " cosmic vagina that Silvio Manuel made, but that it wasn't to be confused with something that was needed. It was just a way for us to make the unknowable into the known. This is what confused don Juan for many years."
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... what confused don Juan for many years can b found in this passage. ( It's different from what you're saying)
Don Juan said that in the beginning the rule was to him something in the realm of words. He could not imagine how it could lapse into the domain of the actual world and its ways. Under the effective guide of his benefactor, however, and after a great deal of work, he had finally succeeded in grasping the true nature of the rule, and totally accepted it as a set of pragmatic directives rather than a myth. From then on, he had no problem in dealing with the realty of the third attention. The only obstacle in his way arose from his being so thoroughly convinced that the rule was a map that he believed he had to look for a literal opening in the world, a passageway. Somehow he had become needlessly stuck at the first level of a warrior's development.
. I was referring in general to the notion of a concrete passage way. Not specifically the cosmic vagina. I tend to assume people have read the books,so will know what I'm talking about.
I have read the books but tbh I' m not sure I understood what you're talking about.
Ahh. I see now. I realize I meant to use e.g. not i.e., as in "for example, the cosmic vagina". My bad. I don't usually make mistakes like that. If that doesn't clear it up, I will take it as a challenge to make a more concise summary.
Early in his apprenticeship, Don Juan's benefactor, the Nagual Julian, mentioned that Don Juan needed to find the passageway to the second attention. Don Juan took this literally when in fact Don Julian was simply using metaphorical language to describe a shift of the assemblage point. The Nagual Julian used to use more poetic language, like referring to dreaming as "saying goodnight to the world." As Don Juan didn't have enough energy or experience, he wasn't able to see beyond the language and took it literally. Don Juan wasted years looking for an actual passageway. When Don Juan had Silvio Manuel demonstrate the "cosmic vagina" to his apprentices, including Carlos, he wanted to make it clear that this was just Silvio's awesome power and his sense of humour. It was not necessary to create this construct; they could just shift their assemblage point and arrive at the second attention, wherever they needed to be. Don Juan didn't want his apprectices to get caught up in these "constructs" and mistake them for anything more than what they were.
This post is about constructs and their importance in seeing. I have never put too much importance on these constructs as Don Juan recommended not to do so if you wanted to remain detached and not get caught up in the intricasies of the second attention, which is antiethetical to the search for freedom. Not only are they unnecessary, but they are also something that was prevalent in the mood of the old seers, what Don Juan called their propensity for "concreteness". He talked more about this with reference to the physical structures, such as the pyramids they built, which he said were "traps of the second attention." The mood at these places is hard to describe, but it's often very heavy, for lack of a better term. Filled with the violence and morbidity often associated with the Old Seers. The total opposite of what the New Seers sought, which was freedom from being human.
In my post, I was simply referencing this dislike of my part of the old seers and my subsequent avoidance of their mood, which would include "constucts of energy" as well as their physical structures, such as the Atlanteans and the pyramids, that is imbued not ony with their intent, but now I found out with these "energetic tunnels" as well. They are fascinating as they are essentially portals to other areas of the world, and perhaps even the inorganics world. I was not aware of these tunnels until I "saw" them with other practitioners while gazing. Even though they were interesting, they are still a byproduct of the sorcerers intent. Except for the cave that we visited, they are manmade. Even with the vortex/powerspot in the cave, it's really not necessary. We can simply shift our asssemblage point and achieve the same effect, although I'm sure these tunnels and vortexes were fun and exciting to use.
Regardless, we can still use them as practice in shifting the assemblage point if we have enough energy. Don Juan mentioned we only journey into the second attentiion as practice for reaching the third. For me, visiting these places and seeing the energy didn't completely change my view of the old seers, but it did make me realize that we can use the tunnels to travel as practice. This is a slightly new view for me.
Again, sorry fot the misuse of the Latin. Maybe next time I will just say "for example."
You think "constructs of energy" is part of the mood of the old seers, but we construct energy when we see tree. Isn't that what skimming is? Why would it not be important for any budding sorcerer to realize that?
Not the same thing. We perceive "tree" as we do as a result of skimming the energy that is already there. This is an energy generating world, built by spirit, if you will. No human created the trees we see or perceive. The construct of energy I'm referring to is in reference to what Dan is talking about in this post, sorceric constructs. The ones I'm specifically talking about were created out of intent by the ancient sorcerers.and are bound to the pyramids and other power objects such as the sculptures in the various museums. How they built the tunnels or if they just exist as an energetic pathway because the ancient sorcerers used the end points that way, I don't know. Perhaps the inorganics built them. Either way, they are tied to the objects the ancient sorcerers built,which is inextricably tied to their mood of concreteness. Impressive but moribund
>The Puffs (also a proto construct)
Puffs are bound to the pyramids and other power objects?
Are you sure you are not misunderstanding Dan's post?
As far as I am aware, the puffs are also just seeing energy, after all...
Dan was talking in broad terms with regards to Sorceric Constructs.
Quote: "Ideally using Tensegrity since it contains the clues and intent for many different constructs. Constructs which likely often carry the intent of past sorcerers."
The word construct is a bit limited in syntax. Seeing puffs is most likely just perceiving energy directly. That would be a construct in a way as we are arranging our awareness in a different way than we do in the default position of the assemblage point.
I simply used in a more direct sense. The energetic tunnels were intended into existence by the sorcerers of antiquity either directly or formed as a result of their activities.
Not sure how you got that puffs are associated with the pyramids. Reminds me of Faulkners "As I Lay Dying". My mother is a fish! Lol
There are many "constructs" in the word, particularly in the world of energy. Once you get past being an inventory warrior the words you use to describe them won't matter much.
Yes and skimming is referred to as a human construct.
You could say that about skimming, that it's a construct. As far as what Dan meant in the quote you referenced, I'm not sure what he meant there. You'd have to ask him. I don't think he is referring to the skimming people do, though.
"I'm not sure what he meant there"
From me:
>Are you sure you are not misunderstanding Dan's post?
Sounds like that's a no. Glad to hear.
Yes, I'm aware what skimming is and that it's what we do as humans.
The quote is this
He explained that the assemblage point not only effects the alignment needed for perception, but also obliterates the alignment of certain emanations in order to arrive at a greater refinement of perception, a skimming, a tricky human construct with no parallel.
But Dan, and me in my comment, were both referencing sorceric constructs, not human ones. Sorceric constructs, with regards to how Dan referenced it, covers seeing energy as well as other constructs that might have been imbued with the intent of the old sorcerers, such as the "energetic tunnels" in the power spots in Mexico I referenced. It wasn't more complicated than that.
It never ceases to amaze me that this forum usually responds to these types of comments and posts by pulling out some random detial that is more often than not a product of the human inventory and has nothing to do with the "meat" of what the post or comment is saying. Not always, but often.
Have you seen energy in any way? Even the purple puffs?
I don't know if you know this but the purple puffs are actually some of the old sorcerers farts. Yep, the put them in energetic form and placed them in the second attention. So, if you are playing with the purple puffs, you are playing with old farts. Life is a mystery.
Funny.
"I'm not sure what he meant there."
"You'd have to ask him."
Alright, you're not sure what he meant there, so I'll ask him, since you are afraid of personal responsibility. (Also funny that you are quoting me back what I sent to you).
u/danl999
>Constructs not only teach you about intending and will, but also about the very nature of reality and what makes it seem real.
What does this mean?
So,you haven't seen energy? Not at all? Ever? Or should I say, you haven't remembered you've seen energy
Funny. Yes I have.
Then you can answer your own questions. It just takes time.
What questions did I have that weren't Socratic questions in our interaction? Hint: it is a number starting with z.
.. It wasn't the " i.e." bit that you've singled out but the whole sentence- you state" that it wasn't something that was needed. It was just a way for us to make the unkowable into the known. This is what confused don Juan for many years".
" It was not necessary to create this construct; they could just shift their assemblage point and arrive at the second attention, wherever they needed to be."
Could you point to where this is written in the books?
Which part? Do you mean where Don Juan let Carlos know that Silvio Manuels cosmic vagina was just a joke and expression of power and not necessary? Or the part where Don Juan wasted time looking for a literal passageway? You quoted that latter part already. They both stem from the same essential misunderstanding
This is the problem with being an inventory warrior. We get lost in meaningless nitpicking.
Ok. I found it, as I was curious myself. This quote is from the Eagle's Gift. I couldn't find the passage with Don Juan talking about it with Carlos. But regardless, it's better to practice and find out on your own than just rely on the books and be an inventory warrior. This passage ties in perfectly to Dan's mention of the Wheel of Time in the post
"After we had stood up Florinda came over to where I was. She took me by the arm and walked around the room with me, while don Juan and his warriors talked to the apprentices.
She said that I should not allow the events of that night at the bridge to confuse me. I should not believe, as the Nagual Juan Matus had believed at one time, that there is an actual physical passageway into the other self. The slit that I had seen was simply a construct of their intent, which had been trapped by a combination of the Nagual Juan Matus' obsession with passageways and Silvio Manuel's bizarre sense of humor; the mixture of both had produced the cosmic vagina. As far as she was concerned, the passage from one self to the other had no physicality. The cosmic vagina was a physical expression of the two men's power to move the "wheel of time."
Florinda explained that when she or her peers talked about time, they were not referring to something which is measured by the movement of a clock. Time is the essence of attention; the Eagle's emanations are made out of time; and properly, when one enters into any aspect of the other self, one is becoming acquainted with time."
Some relevant things things which I found regarding this. Chapter- The Plumed Serpent
She said that I should not allow the events of that night at the bridge to confuse me. I should not believe, as the Nagual Juan Matus had believed at one time, that there is an actual physical passageway into the other self. The slit that I had seen was simply a construct of their intent, which had been trapped by a combination of the Nagual Juan Matus' obsession with passageways and Silvio Manuel's bizarre sense of humor; the mixture of both had produced the cosmic vagina. As far as she was concerned, the passage from one self to the other had no physicality. The cosmic vagina was a physical expression of the two men's power to move the "wheel of time."
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She asserted that what warriors call will belongs to the whee of time. It is something like the runner of a vine, or an intangible tentacle which all of us possess. She said that a warrior's final aim is to learn to focus it on the wheel of time in order to make it turn. Warriors who have succeeded in turning the wheel of time can focus and draw from it whatevever they so desire, such as the cosmic vagina. To be trapped compulsorily in one furrow of time entails seeing the images of that furrow only as they recede. To be free from the spellbinding force of those grooves means that one can look in either direction, as the images recede or as they approach.
I'm not sure I trust "infinity" as much as don Juan does.
It tells you "what's what" for what you're perceiving.
Which is usually inapplicable to our daily world.
for example, I get into stable "seeing" states lately while watching alternate timelines.
At the same time I'm watching an alternate timeline, I get the voice of seeing explaining elements of it to me.
Sometimes those element carry through the whole night, and show up later on, far after the timeline I was watching is gone.
Here's one. The voice of seeing explained it to me, and it made perfect sense at the time. That's a "Rolodex" card behind her back. She punched the hole in it.
The voice of seeing explained more about the situation, and it was absolutely true.
But you tell me what it means...
If you have your doubts that seeing can be like that, remember the story about the first time carlos "saw" when don Juan asked him to try.
He saw a flying french poodle, and a man looking askance at him, from an apartment building. Don Juan chastised him over it, but admitted it was indeed seeing.