Carlos and the witches gave us many paths to develop our sorcery skills. But each one leads to all of the others, at some point.
This was a path the witches taught to women in private classes. To lay on your back in a park, and gaze at the sky to find the "worms".
I never heard what the witches said would happen eventually, but Carlos also gave us this path as a substitute for the loss of our leaders.
We need to get to Silent Knowledge, where we'll find new leadership.
One method for viewing it was what he called a "violet smear in the sky".
But you don't actually have to practice that. It comes automatically once you can get rid of your internal dialogue.
It's your energy body swarming you! And while Carlos recommended looking for a "pomegranate dot" which will spit out text for you, your energy body is like a magic viewer through which you can see dreams in the air, from any place in time and space.
I still recommend learning this in the dark, doing tensegrity.
I get into trouble for saying this, but Tensegrity is the best insurance against getting "bent out of shape".
So it makes perhaps the best path of all as long as you force off your internal dialogue while doing it, and use the appearance of the purple puffs of your energy body, to verify you really have shut off your internal dialogue for long enough for your assemblage point to move.
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Thanks again Dan. I have another slightly off topic question for you. It's hard for me to get my mind around the shift in The value of carlos's opinion and guidance when throughout the entire series he's consistently a buffoon. I appreciate you seem to have had a direct relationship with him that helped you follow along with his guidance, but after having read 95% of the books, I do Wonder to myself about the merits of engaging in anything Carlos himself suggests. I would be curious to hear thoughts on his transition from his. Every instinct being wrong, to someone suggestions were worth following.
I'm not understanding the question, but I'll try to answer it anyway.
Carlos had his own personality which has nothing to do with sorcery.
I won't say I didn't like him, but we were very different people with our own personalities.
Carlos called me "odd but brave".
And I tried to avoid thinking about him like that. Certainly, I wouldn't hang out with him if he weren't a sorcerer.
Just as Elias was unique as the steady and reliable boring old nagual, Julian was a bisexual maniac who couldn't control his urges to engage in magical sex, which in the end got him trapped in the inorganic being's world.
And don Juan was whatever his apprentice needed him to be. He's the one we know the least about. Certainly, don't imagine you know what don Juan was like.
He's been censored by Carlos.
But don't follow men!
This isn't a religion.
No one has ever learned any real magic by following men.
At least, not as far as we've heard.
And in our case, the only thing you can do is follow the instructions Carlos gave us, and work hard on your own because you want magic.
Magic.
You don't even have to do the work in doubt.
It's all already proven to work! Other people took care of the hard part for you.
But if you want anything else besides real magic, you won't even get a start on this path.
What the hell is a shapeshifted sex? The book says that they were caught off guard while doing it in the closet. There were no reports on shapeshifting at all. As far as I can tell “shapeshifted sex” was never mentioned in the whole series, not even as a warning. So where did you come across that and what the heck is it?
It's mentioned in multiple places.
Julian and La Catalina would change into wolves and have sex.
Julian did that too many times, and thus when it was time for him to move his assemblage point across the entire J curve in less than 2 seconds, to light up all the emanations so he could reach the 3rd attention, he couldn't move it fast enough.
If your assemblage point moves fast, the oldest ones it lights up cool off in 3 seconds or so. You can test this yourself if you learn to move it.
Don Juan and Taisha changed into crows and had sex that way. I suppose that's in one of Taisha's books?
Shapeshifted sex is next to inevitable if you have a man and a woman who shapeshift together!
It's a red zone activity.
On the J curve.
And not even particularly advanced, except for someone who can't move their assemblage point at all. In which case it probably sounds impossible.
I suppose sex is just too hard to resist, once you turn into a WereJaguar?
Beats me...
If I tried that with Cholita, she'd bite off my spare parts.
Alright then. I only read one of Taisha’s books. But I am positive that nothing alike was mentioned in Carlos’ work. I wonder what is the point of having intercourse in altered states. It sounds pretty dark, like something satanists or the like would aspire to achieve.
Carlos forbid me to read his books anymore, and by extension, those of the witches.
So I'm not up on where things are located, having one 30 years without reading any.
One of the women will come along and tell us.
I'm not sure why it would be so surprising.
You can even poop like a cat, if you shapeshift into one!
You're the real thing as far as you can tell.
I suppose the only way you'd not think of having sex with a woman, is if you shapeshifted into a Saint.
In which case, you'd be looking around for little boys...
It’s from Stalking with the Double, Chapter 12: Crow’s Dream (Taisha Abelar):
“I perched on the branch and rested. I could feel my crow’s body, my beak and head, and
my feathery wings. I was preening myself the way birds do, happy to be in the tree with the
breeze rustling the leaves. When I had rested, I swooped down to a field, and began hopping
on the ground. After a while, another crow, came and hopped alongside me. Then the
strangest thing happened. The crow mounted me and we mated the way crows do. Not that I
had the faintest notion of how crows mated. Yet I was certain I was experiencing the act the
way crows did it. In fact, the other crow, in no time at all, had me in the position he wanted,
and a pleasurable interchange followed. The realization that the other crow was don Juan
made it all the more exhilarating.
In that dream, I saw and felt things that for the rational mind are incomprehensible,
and although my rational mind was circumvented, my senses were keen and I experienced an outpouring of the most profound affection. It was that surge of emotion that created such a stirring in the depth of me that I would always remember the feeling of my crow’s body and what it is like to soar through the air lighter than wind.”
There was a quote somewhere that modern values and morals were given to us by the flyers. In other positions of the assemblage point this apparently changes.
I am well acquainted with that. However, Don Juan also told us that as long as we are miserable, we are doing something wrong. On the other hand, when you are joyful, grateful and at awe with the universe, it can be said that you are on a good path. Now, only a sick and morbid person would have positive feelings while doing satanic rituals of human/animal sacrifice. I am quite sure those practices come as a desert to Los Voladores.
All these feelings are the position of AP, that's all. There is no right/wrong, these are also feelings. It was written somewhere that all paths are just paths, some develop, others do not. You can watch TV or you can practice in a dark room. Just ways, nothing more. If satanic black masses with orgies shift your assemblage point, why not use this path?
Alright then. I only read one of Taisha’s books. But I am positive that nothing alike was mentioned in Carlos’ work. I wonder what is the point of having intercourse in altered states. It sounds pretty dark, like something satanists or the like would aspire to achieve.
Alright then. I only read one of Taisha’s books. But I am positive that nothing alike was mentioned in Carlos’ work. I wonder what is the point of having intercourse in altered states. It sounds pretty dark, like something satanists or the like would aspire to achieve.
"I suppose sex is just too hard to resist, once you turn into a WereJaguar?"
Not quite like that.
More like you know someone very intimately that you have never met.
One of the women finally pointed to it, however I must say, it's other places also! That's one of the main activities when a new person shapeshifts.
Which certainly makes sense, although I hope I get left out of that...
You can find this somewhere in the comments:
"It’s from Stalking with the Double, Chapter 12: Crow’s Dream (Taisha Abelar):"
that book is also very good because it explains what stalking really is (it's for holding the assemblage point AFTER you already moved it), and it explains phantom copies of your home.
Which are inevitable for sorcerers.
In private classes, Carlos always liked to use women to introduce new topics.
He'd go out of his way to do that, often making the women telling us something new, seem more like "victims".
Especially the Blue scout. He loved to pick on her, because she hated private classes. Said they were a waste of energy.
Just a few days ago, I had a really strange phenomena happening while I was lying on my yoga mat. I was trying to get into alpha state by watching the white clouds and in the same time intending that they tear apart. At one point I figured that almost all blue area was covered with some vibrant worms. Interestingly enough, the other part of my view was concrete and there were no visual effects when I switched my gaze. As soon as I returned to the blue vastness, the worms reappeared. I was sleep deprived and I attributed it to that factor. However, it seems that what you are describing just happened to me. Also, at the end of my session, I had the sun-gazing effect with these worms. Everywhere I looked, I saw them again, just like one would see a sun image after looking at it for a bit. Btw, I haven’t been doing anything for a long time. Not even reading CC. I just felt my energy wasn’t sufficient.
You could learn sorcery that way, but more likely is that you'd deceive yourself.
That's the problem. People's motivations are not good for learning for real.
But if they were, that would work!
You just have to emphasize removing every trace of your internal dialogue, without falling asleep.
So keep the eyes open.
Closing your eyes is VERY BAD, once you reach silent knowledge.
You go off into dreaming realms, and all the hard work to get to "seeing" is lost that session.
You "smear" the gains into the double.
The double already has infinite power!
We need to bring HIS skills, out into our waking self.
Of course, if you make sky gazing work, eyes open and completely awake, eventually you'll run out of energy.
And then it's ok to go to sleep.
But better if you change locations to create a clear "dividing line".
Why do humans feel the urge to sleep from a sorcerer perspective? I ask, because Don Juan mentioned once, when you move the AP you're technically asleep.
We're stuck in these biological bodies.
They have a lot of reasons for sleep. It's part of how the system works.
But sorcerers do indeed change how they sleep.
Don Juan slept in 2 hour segments, whenever he was tired.
Sleeping in giant 8 hour blocks is unnatural, and only came about after the middle ages, likely due to the rise of agriculture and large cities, and a need for people to earn their living off other people.