Hi,
I would prefer asking the silence but you ll read soon where I stand. Please fix the tag if off
I had recently a period after fighting daily and taking care of the tonal where I could practice daily, advacing th silence as well.
A person that has been special since when I met her is back in my life. Not sure if I am supposed to just practice with her or what. For sure, it "relaxed my discipline a bit" and managed this way my daily practice changed and the mind was incaded by useless thoughts. I know I can fight it and kuat manage it differently.
what is your take on the following questions?
A) pursuing a relationshipmeansg givin up this path? Is it mutual exclusive? Do I have to make a choice?Sometimes I feel (and know) we do not really make choices, we are supposed to follow the flow without resisting and thus not wasting energy (impeccability)
But one can still stray from it. And that is costly energetically. What is your take on queation a)? I will ask the silence
B) what about telling her what I learnt and trying to accomplish?
One is not supposed to share usually. Other than somwtime a hunch I am not am not sure I have explicitally addressed on this matter, or it s juste holdimg back
What is your take? And why? Thanks for this chat
~ perhaps intending to find a nagual wouldbse something
Cheers and good practice
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Relationships are already tricky in the river of shit. Volunteering that info about my practice to a partner, or family, always blew up in my face.
Yea, that is one strong reason to avoid to do so. But then how do you take your evenings out to do gazing or tensegrity?
That’s where you will have to be creative.
And possibly assisted by impersonal forces
you cant draw someone else on a path of individuation. she either is on the path herself, or isnt. if she isnt, shes going to try to drag you down. you cant fix her. so fluffy feelings aside, shes an obstacle. btw, with a relationship in sight, people will promise you a lot. but the crux is, the only motivation on working on yourself thats works, is doing it for yourself. whatever she would do to be close to you she will stop doing, while trying to drag you in shallow waters.
And I agree with this..
You can have anything you want. You just can’t have everything you want
We don't know the answer to that yet.
It's all too new.
Can't ask the old seers, even if you could locate one. They didn't learn that way. They took younglings as apprentices.
Can't ask the new seers. They didn't pick their apprentices, and if one didn't learn it was a traumatic event. So they advised you to leave your friends and family.
And you only had one shot at it, since they likely only stuck around 10 years after you started learning.
We're in a completely new situation.
And this new situation is the beauty of it!
No one can say how far we'll get, but Carlos got further than don Juan in some ways.
How so?
He said so in one of the final books. That the workshops gave him access to "energetic configurations" that even don Juan didn't know about.
That might sound vague, but it won't once you get your assemblage point to align with that of your energy body.
Those become visible, randomly.
I suppose the best analogy I can think of that can actually be explained in words, is wiggling the fingers on the second attention assemblage point.
Zuleica had Carlos doing that for what seems like days, in the storyline.
Finally he felt something, and eventually he shrunk his tonal and curled up in a ball from his point of view.
It was rather drastic if you think about it, which might be because he was "cheating" and had to have the Nagual's blow to accomplish it.
But with people practicing that in large numbers now, it's pretty easy to both see flashes and sparkles there, which correspond to your fingers wiggling, and also to feel things "as thick as water".
It's no longer vague and unfathomable.
If more succeed, a beginner might even eventually be able to both see and feel that.
It's "energetic mass".
Energetic mass is what makes it possible to visit God himself!
If there weren't billions praying to him, he'd be impossible to locate.
I believe that practicng together helps, if people really pracice and align on what to "align"
Carlos certainly thought so.
And Carola was the daughter of Zaia.
She was even up on stage with the chacmools.
However, just make sure you don't turn into a "Jesus parenter".
Grok wouldn't draw this, but ChatGPT didn't even squirm.
So I got into an argument with Grok, saying I was going to put my Ai chip into a monitor, so that you could ask for any picture you like with no censorship at all.
All monitors might eventually have built in AI, since the monitor itself is the expensive part once custom chips are common.
Are you saying it's ok to visit relatives for example? I know in the books they leave family behind. But what about visit once every few years for a week. Would that tamper in any way your energy or intent? You mentioned you yourself were told by Carlos you could go back to your family if you wanted, and you did so. But then you also said that was a mistake and a problem that hindered your magical development in some way. And you ended up leaving them again. And that only when you "see" you understand why. So wouldn't be wise to skip to the act of being away from family in the first place, instead of having to pay the heavy price of you already know it's not the best for you?
Don't change anything in your life, until you can "see" why you ought to do it.
Otherwise you'll become "Annoying Yoga man".
Don Juan obviously didn't stay away from relatives. We see that in the books from time to time. He even seemed to try to tinker with them.
When you can literally "see" this (your own version of it), then you can think about his more.
Hi
Actually you can work on it. Youcan be able to love them and accepting to abandon them forever taking the final leap. Or just accept they'll die. Or accept they will die and then nothing. You can love them at the same time.
Reaching this, you can be among them and still use them to stalk yourself. Use them as petty tyrants.
Once you accept "abandoning everything" in practice you do not need to "abandon them" being in a differet place.
I haven't seen my siblings and step mom in 25 years. They're coming to this country to visit another city where my step mom lives. Next week. I am very undecided, at first I planned to go see them. I got time off from work, for 10 days. I also already booked a flight. I'm having second thoughts of I should go see them, maybe I shouldn't, if energetically it would drain me, or even re Kindle that connection to them. I'm thinking about cancelling the trip. I also feel pressured by them, they're really expecting that I must do it, and that really bothers me. So I dont know if I should. I might not see them for 2 years after that. I'm waiting a couple days for a final decision, but I'm very confused as to what to do
That is a stalking practice in the end no? Also pretending to be what they expect, reciting the part instead of letting them force you in something they expect and you do not want to be. Controlled folly and stalking
I’m with you, CC/DJM gave us the tech, Dan, Jadey and the Allies made it all possible via Darkroom.
The beauty of the new situation, real sorcery is doable, for anyone.
Sometimes that "special someone" shows up, and you say, "It'll just be a few kisses," and yes, saliva flows from one mouth to the other... Then the special person stays over, and you say: "No problem, no problem, it's just one night, I'll go back to the D.R. tomorrow"...
But the next morning, while you're making breakfast, you start thinking "creative ways to keep practicing," because you want to be with that person, but you also want to keep doing "your things" every day, which often turn out to be "incompatible" with the kinds of things you do in a relationship.
I've tried to hold on to having both and slowly lose everything, trying to avoid what seems inevitable: that the practice will go to hell and with that, the relationship will go to hell too (even going so far as to blame the other person for you not being able to practice). In that case, it's likely that, once everything's dead, you'll return humiliated and crying to D.R.: "Forgive me, attempt of the sorcerers of ancient Mexico..." (Which would disgust the Double).
I think it also depends on "the special person" and the intent... What if the intent brings you together so you can improve your practice together? What if the anti-intent brings you together for the purpose of destroying all magic?
I think you could eventually try "stalking the relationship" a little to see what it's all about... Maybe that would allow you to "take a little distance" while you try to "see" the energetic flow within the relationship... Maybe the other person simply leaves you "because you're distant" or "because you're no longer the person they fell in love with."
May the force be with you...
Yea the option of the intent bringing her is one I considered. Would like to see better.
Anti-intent?
This relationship offer an immense stalking opportunity.
I remember reading on this Reddit that there could be something like "intent to kill all magic," which is what I call, perhaps mistakenly, "anti-intent," as I didn't know how else to phrase it... I think the "intent" tag is worth tracking down (a new post just popped up a few minutes ago...). https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/?f=flair_name%3A%22Intent%22
Correction: I saw that the most recent post tagged "intent" was published "2m" ago, and I understood "two minutes," not two months, as is correct.
People pick up on what you do, so if you're assemblage point moves others around you have no choice, they are forced to move too.. as long as you have unbending intent. All of us are filled with hidden resources. You re- uniting must mean something, perhaps recapitulation on both sides brought you back? ( for example).
You can learn to incorporate the practices( passes performed even casually can jave tremendous power, so take the time to observe your partner, not just You).. If there is a barrier, step over it.
" It is very important to focus the practioner on some definitive aspect of the magical passes. However, that fixation should be light, funny, void of morbidity and grimness. It should be done for the hell of it, without really expecting rewards".
Hi. Thanks. Did not consider this perspective, which I would like to share with her, but her refusal to believe in it ( i think she has in the inventory the idea of love and romantic relationships and she is not letting go her beliefs currently, she is not here maybe) might be making things more challenging. I do not really want her against me
Well, you know what they say- where there's a will, there's a way. The Naguals Elias, Julian, and Silvio Manuel managed to incorporate it in their worlds out in the open. By the time Carlos learned to replicate the first 10 passes DJ taught him, he thought he was learning to crack his joints. I think we're all faced with the task of finding our way with this.
There's no point in " swapping heads", you're paths crossed again. There's no need to feed the i.d about it. You could face the unknown together who knows where it will take you.
Carlos also desribes I think in the Active Side of Infinity, probably at " Saying Thank You".. that he was discussing a relationship he had with a woman and he was complaining about her saying she said this and she said that, and DJ said that if he were to strip all of that and examine what it was that he felt at his core, and Carlos found that he had boundless affection for her. Keep it fresh, she's on your trail.
That complaining of Carlos about that relationship with that woman he had to thank can also be found in one of the earlier books and DJ said something like that that could be injurous to the spirit( dirty the link with intent).
Btw, I'm not trying to give you advice on whether you should stick with her or not.
Not even sure if you have a choice.
After literally hundreds, if not thousands, of relations with women, and now 3 years of celibacy, I can tell you, sorcery or no sorcery, being single and alone is the best life I have ever lived. It helps if you get sober too and stay away from drugs and alcohol. (My personal opinion). Getting rid of personal history and stalking myself for years now. There's no way I would go back to living an ordinary life. Even if not at the level of "freedom", it still feels pretty freakin free.
And yes this is what was happening. Sober, single and alone and dedicating my time to practoce with no sociality botherng. I get you are saying
Well for me, being single and alone, is like eating steak and lobster tails and claws, and relationships are like someone offering me a ritz cracker in the middle of my bites. Why in the world would I ever go back to eating ritz crackers??? Seems insane to me. But humans are every bit that insane.
I know. I told her, it is not her or someone else, she is competing with being single!
She's competing with infinity!!!!
Question a- dont worry about this, but do not dismiss the question until you have an answer. It is up to the spirit to show you the fork in your path and you to choose when the time comes. It is personal affair.
In my own beginner experience, I've evolved to view thoughts similar to the ones you have as "making a big deal out of nothing" - basically attaching importance to something that doesn't deserve it. For example, I can tell myself that I am "not going to have a relationship because I need to practice sorcery, and sorcery is so spiritual and relationships are non spiritual" - this is total bullshit, IMO. Why are relationships "special"? I like to listen to certain genres of music - why do that pattern get to stay? Actually I built up an ego about being "too good" for a relationship because I was working on lofty, non-sorcerous goals. I think it's a mistake to transfer that same "future ambition", "I'll accomplish X some day" - it's inflated self-worth, a way to feel superior about myself compared to other people.
I take issue with your use of "supposed to" and the idea of "following the flow" - I think you are spot on with the idea about not really making decisions and encourage you to think about that more, and recapitulate times when you thought you made decisions. If you follow the flow of the river of shit, you end up dead and covered in shit. Why is this particular relationship so important to you? It seems to me like you've made it a focal point of your decisions and your life.
I don't think you should or should not pursue the relationship - just go with your gut. If it's beneficial to you, great. If it hurts you, then drop it. Like everything else. If you want to practice sorcery more, and maintain your new relationship, you might need to cut out other things.