What are those 2 points?

General Knowledge u/ArsalanXlili 2025-09-27 11:04 UTC 3 points

Hello. I have a question. Don juan explained to Carlos about 8 points of perception that make up the totality of a human. 6 of them are clear: reason, talk, feeling, seeing, dreaming, will
But 2 of them are although not clear, in many cases I see people take them as tonal and nagual in their diagrams.
If you think so, please mention the book and page that don juan said those two points are tonal and nagual. It would be a great help.
But I think tonal corresponds to reason-talk-feeling
And nagual to will-seeing-dreaming
I don't know what exactly the other two points are but I'm pretty sure they're not tonal and nagual

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Booklist

Carlos Castaneda's books in chronological order:

The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge (1968)
A Separate Reality: Further Conversations With Don Juan (1971)
Journey to Ixtlan: The Lessons of Don Juan (1972)
Tales of Power (1974)
The Second Ring of Power (1977)
The Eagle's Gift (1981)
The Fire From Within (1984)
The Power of Silence: Further Lessons of Don Juan (1987)
The Art of Dreaming (1993)
Magical Passes: The Practical Wisdom of the Shamans of Ancient Mexico (Jan. 20, 1998)
The Wheel of Time: The Shamans Of Ancient Mexico, Their Thoughts About Life, Death And The Universe (Jun. 1, 1998)
The Active Side of Infinity (Sep. 1, 1998)

Florinda Donner's books:

Shabono: A Visit to a Remote and Magical World in the South American Rain Forest (1982)
The Witch's Dream: A Healer's Way of Knowledge (1985)
Being-in-Dreaming: An Initiation into the Sorcerers' World (1991)

Taisha Abelar's book:

The Sorcerer's Crossing: A Woman's Journey (1992)
Unpublished Manuscript - Stalking With The Double (restored version) (March, 1996) - file includes a link to the original scanned version, older file links