Does the movement of the assemblage point, also help you in the ordinary world, for example dealing with idiots and a nagging wife? I get that when we accumulate inner silence and we practice darkroom, we move the assemblage point and gain access to different realities. But does magic also give you the energy and power to deal with petty tyrants? What purpose there is if I can see real magic, but the moment my wife yells at me, to go in the most frustrated state and even fear to be honest so that I dont anger her. I am more motivated to do inner silence so that I can achieve power in the non-magic world. By power I mean to be free from the closest people to me, not also wife, but parents and close friends. My physical body literally gets into panic mode the moment, my father or wife disapprove of my actions...
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It's, partially, why stalking exists as a set of behavioral maneuvers.
It sure does. You, and the state that you're in, what you think about and how you respond to things, is all contained within the position of the assemblage point. It's far too focused on you, and how your wife makes you feel, and how your dad makes you feel, and your fear of it all. Your inability to respond to it in a healthy way for yourself. Your codependency problem. You need to free up some energy and you need a new perspective on life. I would HIGHLY recommend you read the books. Listen to the audio books when you drive to and from work every day even, when you're alone and you can ponder your life in relation to Carlos's and see what lessons there are for you there.
No one says it better than Don Juan does when he's talking to Carlos about these very same kinds of struggles.
Anyway, eventually, you can maintain a new position consistently. Maybe not one where everything sparkles around you, or maybe it will be, but it will certainly be more cheerful than this one is. That takes energy though, which you must free up. I feel like you need a mentor though, and the books can be that for you.
Few weeks after I started practice I got hurt in a stupid way at work. I stood up and waited for the familiar wave of anger to come but it never did…
“Happy ever after” is a myth, and to get out of there the only thing left is to stop being babies and work like dogs in Olmec Sorcery. On the other hand, maybe we shouldn’t make radical changes in our daily life until the magic that results from our practice forces us to do so — you don’t want to increase the debt...
The post reminds me of an excerpt from "The Power of Silence"
“I experienced moments of sublime happiness as a husband and father”, don Juan said. “But it was at those moments when I first noticed that something was terribly wrong. I realized that I was losing the feeling of detachment, the aloofness I had acquired during my time in the nagual Julian’s house. Now I found myself identifying with the people who surrounded me”.
Don Juan said that it took about a year of unrelenting abrasion to make him lose every vestige of the new personality he had acquired at the nagual’s house. He had begun with a profound yet aloof affection for the woman and her children. This detached affection allowed him to play the role of husband and father with abandon and gusto. As time went by, his detached affection turned into a desperate passion that made him lose his effectiveness.
Gone was his feeling of detachment, which was what had given him the power to love. Without that detachment, he had only mundane needs, desperation, and hopelessness: the distinctive features of the world of everyday life. Gone as well was his enterprise. During his years at the nagual’s house, he had acquired a dynamism that had served him well when he set out on his own.
But the most draining pain was knowing that his physical energy had waned. Without actually being in ill health, one day he became totally paralyzed. He did not feel pain. He did not panic. It was as if his body had understood that he would get the peace and quiet he so desperately needed only if it ceased to move."
I've personally noticed that inner silence accumulates. If you manage to hold on to it for a while, you can feel the same ease and detachment described here. Junk media, coffee, sugar, glutamates also seem to detract from that state of silence for me - they are essentially ordinary forms of indulgence.
Stalking - that’s the part of knowledge you’re looking for. Other practices are important too, but if you focus on stalking, you’ll see exactly how the teachings apply in “ordinary” life - especially when dealing with petty tyrants.
You’re actually in the perfect atmosphere to learn stalking. Petty tyrants, nagging family members, close relationships - that’s the training ground. They give you the friction needed to reclaim the energy you’re constantly spending on internal and external fights. Once you stop wasting it, that energy comes back to you.
I wouldn’t be able to explain stalking in a few words - not even in 10,000 words. It’s one of those things where theory only gives you a map. You have to try it, fail, try again, and eventually you’ll know it from direct experience.
A lot of people want to run off, live like monks, or withdraw from the world to “do magic.” That’s not totally wrong, but it skips the most interesting part - stalking. With stalking, you can achieve anything you want, even reaching the second attention without funny movements in the dark. The hardest situations give you the most flexibility.
Petty tyrants are a gift. Over time, they stop bothering you, and your interaction with them changes completely. A stalker learns to use every situation strategically, to read people instantly, and to act fluidly. This happens in heightened awareness - which becomes possible when you stop the internal dialogue to a certain degree. When the assemblage point moves and you touch heightened awareness, analysis in the moment is sharper but memory can be vague afterwards. That’s normal.
Stopping the internal dialogue is crucial, especially with difficult people. Eventually you’ll see that what bothers you is a reflection of yourself, which is why you can change it. In your case, it’s smart to periodically step back - not to run away from anyone, but to gain silence, a plan, and a mood where you can function without being hooked by your ego. Then return to the field and stalk. If you lose control, retreat briefly, stabilize, repeat.
It’s not easy, but repetition is the mother of knowledge. Silence gives you enhanced awareness to read situations clearly, working with the ego cuts energy loss, and strategic thinking hunts power in the field. You can apply stalking in any life event. Don Juan and his group weren’t monks dreaming of other worlds - they were hunters and stalkers moving between them and being able to live in any social situation.
Its just a short overview and lastly, if you have the talent or the taste for it its alot better than anything since allow you quick jump into any direction by wish, be it stopping the world or second attention or achiveng social position. You'll know its done porperly when you'll feel the good mood and energy when achieveing your goals and being detached at the ame time while nobody could read it in your "movements".
Who cares about a good mood and energy as stalking? When I am dealing with petty tyrants at work (endless pettiness) I can see beautiful elements from the second attention all the time. Sometimes when I laugh at a petty tyrant, the air is filled with hundreds of sparkles and gold filling the air from the second attention.
Your stalking is low-level if you are relying on a good mood and energy to measure it.
Why bother arguing... Dont think someone need quotes or theory - like I said, stalking is about experience. Mood and energy aren’t the goal, they’re just signs you’re not hooked by ego. Exactly the opposite of what you’re doing here, trying to say what’s “low level” or not clearly without experience or just acting like it(hardly doubt it).
Thanks, but I’ve got my own experience and don’t need vague points dressed up with endless quotes. Someone truly free in the real world wouldn’t waste time arguing on every comment the way you do. Fun to read, sure - but nothing more.
Since you like quotes heres one for you: “The average man seeks certainty in the eyes of the onlooker and calls that self-confidence. The warrior seeks impeccability in his own eyes and calls that humbleness.”
Yes, why bother arguing? You intentionally limit yourself, and yet you want to teach. You haven't even started with stalking practice yet if you think that mood says that you are doing it "properly". Just accept that there is more work to be done (like maybe some recapitulation) rather than defending your precious view of yourself as a "stalker".
It is possible to perceive a new world where things like gold in the air is a perfectly natural thing to happen. You just need to be open to it. Right now, you can do the same thing, but you are only limiting yourself.
Don Juan had said that the art of the stalkers enters into play after the assemblage point has been displaced. Maintaining the assemblage point fixed in its new position assures sorcerers that they will perceive whatever new world they enter in its absolute completeness, exactly as we do in the world of ordinary affairs. For the sorcerers of don Juan's lineage, the world of everyday life was but one fold of a total world consisting of at least six hundred folds.
What should we rely on then? Are our results in the second attention a good indicator? Perhaps the state of our life circumstances?
It is simply a matter of practicing. I do agree that stalking is just as fundamentally transformational as he says it is, but to limit yourself to a "good mood" is foolishness. Before sorcery, for example, I would get furious if I was interrupted doing something that I liked, but now, if I am interrupted, I just do whatever was asked of me, and then go back to what I was doing.
Sorcery extends far beyond darkroom, so don't let what happens in darkroom stay in darkroom, the effects of darkroom can happen anywhere... Why should it not?
Stalking - and properly done stalking - is recognized when you accumulate personal power. That is the main reason we work with petty tyrants, so to speak: hunting power by adjusting the self-programs that consume it, and through our interactions with those tyrants. Simple as that. Not the goal but the indicator, your goal might be second attention or becoming a president - both fun and nothing to get biased about that you have to be a homie in the woods.
And for those who like quotes, who need “official” approval, and who prefer talking for days about amusing encounters instead of acting - as long as it’s fun, I’ll play along. Here it is:
This passage is from Journey to Ixtlan.
Stalking is not recognized when you accumulate personal power. Maybe you should just consider that you might be wrong about your definitions and practice. It is truly sad to see you limit yourself to moods.
A snail has personal power.
Don Juan pointed out that my assumption was a careless one, because I had not taken into consideration two important possibilities. One was that the snail might have been escaping a sure death by poison under the leaves of the vine, and the other possibility was that the snail had enough personal power to cross the sidewalk. By interfering I had not saved the snail but only made it lose whatever it had so painfully gained.
What do you think stalking is?
Don Juan defined it for us:
It enters play after the assemblage point has been displaced.
It ensures you perceive whatever new world they enter in its absolute completeness, "exactly as we do in the world of ordinary affairs". Darkroom, itself, is stalking, and it is entirely possible to have the effects of darkroom lasting outside of darkroom.
"Don Juan had said that the art of the stalkers enters into play after the assemblage point as been displaced. Maintaining the assemblage point fixed in its new position assures sorcerers that they will perceive whatever new world they enter in its absolute completeness, exactly as we do in the world of ordinary affairs. For the sorcerers of don Juan's lineage, the world of everyday life was but one fold of a total world consisting of at least six hundred folds."
Inner silence gives you an IQ boost. I do Quad n-Back and a few other brain training methods. I can reach higher levels with them when i am more silent. (note: brain training does not help with magic, but magic helps with brain training)
Your IQ goes up., your memory improves, you get super senses (from time to time), and you're actually in what Yogis like to call "bliss", except they only see that with their eyes closed, thinking about all the money they're stealing from the naive.
And you get to gaze into infinity if yo8u can maintain it during the day, from which come little videos about any topic you're currently interested in.
As for getting along with your wife, I live with a witch who might murder me everyday. And who sticks razor blades in my car tires, or eggs it.
What do you mean, a witch? As in a woman who also practices along with you or just a petty tyrant you intentionally keep around, so you can practice stalking? I'm confused. If you accumulated enough inner silence and can see real magic, what is the point of keeping such a person for long periods of time? Even don Juan spent only a certain time with his petty tyrant. Six months was it, I think.
Cholita was in the peyote fields of Mexico, trying it out because she liked Carlos' second book.
Back around 1995 perhaps.
And she got lost in a white tunnel. The leader of the peyote group had to save her.
Carlos found out, and had someone bring her to him.
Carlos assigned her to Florinda, who taught her real witchcraft.
Not the pretend kind. The real thing.
When he knew he was dying, Carlos offered me to go with Florinda, who he knew at the time would ditch Cleargreen. And all of us for that matter.
But I didn't understand the offer so I turned it down.
As a result, Carlos gave me Cholita to protect. He knew she'd go mad.
She's a westerly witch type. So were Zuleica and Josefina.
Cholita is like them.
She does amazing magic for me, but she loathes me. And has tried to kill me a time or two.
But she lives with me, because she's too crazy to keep a place for herself.
And in exchange, I get to see amazing magic.
That's common in the books, so make sure to notice it. There's always crazy people in a lineage, being protected by the group because they tend to be the most powerful among us.
I couldn't possibly list all the amazing magic Cholita has done, but most of it is in past posts.
My favorite trick she can do, is levitate small objects like little dishes in a restaurant.
But she also split our home into 2 copies! One in the second attention.
Just as Carlos had at his home, and in the books, Zuleica had at their house near Fort Ortiz.
I used to walk right into that phantom copy, finding Cholita in there with her Ally Minx.
Until she ran away for a couple of months, and the phantom copy collapsed without her to hold it open.
I believe you haven't read all of the books...
Better get started. There aren't any you can afford not to read if you want the real thing.
You seem to be fixated only the first 4, not knowing those were largely tricks, and not what sorcery is like at all.
Also, as I recall, Zuleica, or maybe Clara, said that taking care of someone else is a very good way to learn sorcery.
Anyway, Carlos did that, not me.
I just obeyed.
It does help when dealing with petty tyrants, because you can see their insecurities/ motivations and where it's coming from.
Also, you might be able to see and process subtle body language faster than you once could, which is really helpful when dealing with a petty tyrant that your unfamiliar with.