I’ve been interested in the esoteric since I was a child, at nine I started to pray salah because of my Islam family background. At the time I thought Islam was the entire world. Later I went to Egypt to study, became devout, and delved deeply into religious principles and more advanced knowledge. I won’t go into the details of my relationship with God here, but I always felt something was off—especially whenever I tried to dedicate myself completely to God. There was a part of me that kept resisting. I never truly surrendered myself—body and soul—to God or to any church or religion.
Then I started reading about magic, martial arts, and Buddhism. Fortunately, my intention was sincere: I wanted to learn what was real, not flashy. Islam actually forbids studying these mysterious things, but I couldn’t live with my doubts. I simply couldn’t coexist with my doubts about Islam, so I read widely—Seth material, other spiritual works, accounts of out-of-body experience, and so on.
One day I realized that dreams were crucial. I wanted to understand dreams. I read a book called The Art of Dreaming. From the first page to the last, it shocked me. Nothing else I’d read had ever felt like that—as if some part of my body already knew and was signaling its agreement. It felt uncanny. Later I learned it was part of a series. Since 2017 I began reading Castaneda, and what he described was so vivid. In my words today, it was as if my body could “see”; it activated something radiant in me—as if it resonated with my body, or with my energy.
That led me away from Islam, which was extremely difficult for me, because I’d been indoctrinated from a young age. My fears and worldview began to shake. By the end of 2020 my mental health started to break down, and throughout 2021 I struggled, even being hospitalized twice in psychiatric wards. If anyone is interested in my story, I can share it gradually, but I won’t go into details here. In short, I slowly shattered my old world and began to rebuild it on the basis of what Castaneda wrote.
I’m from China, and there’s a Castaneda circle there, but I’d never interacted with people abroad. This is my first time seeing, on Reddit, so many people discussing and actually practicing these things. I’m very interested and would love to talk with you—or join your inner group—to explore training and development together.
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thank you very much!!!
my account cant join chat right now , ill try more
What message are you getting when you try to join the chat?
Unable to join because account doesn't meet channel requirements.
Thanks!
There's no teachers in here.
Except maybe Jadey, the tensegrity teacher.
nice to meet you ! yes most of chinese mysticism is now nothing but hook for money, what i meant is we have our own castaneda group , not taoism or buddism. our own very little circle of this amazing knowledge, we have people been praticing for decades, tried hard on don juan's teaching. amazing dreamers. yes you're right ! we are all lone souls seeking for knowledge and truth. it's good to share experience and thoughts together.
But it's all people pretending their normal dreams are real magic.
That's never a path to sorcery knowledge.
You need to do dreaming AWAKE.
Not asleep, so you can exaggerate and pretend it's working.
The entire worldwide Castaneda community pretended that for 50 years after the first book of Carlos, and not a single 1 learned anything real.
So maybe try learning to do it awake, like you see in the pictures?
Like you read in the books?
You will almost certainly find, you can't possibly convince your Chinese Castaneda friends to become serious and actually learn, instead of just pretending.
It seems that their pretending has even fooled you!
But you're welcome in here where there's 3 private students of Carlos, and dozens who have learned to do real sorcery.
No one asking for money in any way.
And not just pretending their sleeping dreams are progress.
Oh, really nice talking to you and got knowledge. Thanks for your words, to be honest, i did feel like a dead end too, being not able to do what they said, i can always see lights and colors like dark room practice said, but never knew what to do.
Why not be a leader in the chinese community?
they'll attack you, but at least there will be a chance to bring real magic to China.
For instance, did you know that "light body" techniques are REAL?
But not in any chinese martial art. They either never did that and have been lying, or they forgot how.
I've done light body several times, literally leaping across tree tops in my physical body.
Also, you can be "invulnerable" like Luke Skywalker, in Star Wars.
Chinese martial arts should learn to do that.
But as it is now, they only pretend. So that the greatest WuShu master gets beaten in 30 seconds.
In Tai Chi, where you push, nothing really happens.
It's just pretending.
BUT, in your double, you could push someone and they really would fly across the room, just like in movies.
That's in the books, so it's nothing new.
Genaro even farts and pushes La Gorda through the air!
And I've seen that sort of thing. Cholita, my witch companion, can lift me into the air with one finger.
Follow the instructions in here, and soon you'll see that your Chinese friends are all pretending, and have learned nothing.
Just as I warned you.
So how do you do such magic?
In your double.
That's why sleeping dreams will never work. With sleeping dreams, YOU go into the dream.
But you don't bring your dreamer, out into the real world.
So you never gain any real power.
Here's a cartoon showing time travel.
We do that too.
Light body you mean qinggong？ Well now i will think about to bring the knowledge here to our circle. This is amazing. As for those Chinese technique you mentioned, yes i think it can be done, but just lost. Most are just liars now. But i trust Bruce lee tho. And by the way, how is that lujan matus？i have bad feelings about him.
Yes, but Qigong is a total fraud.
It's nonsense, designed for stealing money from people, based on teaching them pretend movements that don't do anything at all but give people a chance to pretend in a group setting.
A classic fake magic trick!
Lujan Matus is a very bad man. Evil even.
And has absolutely no real sorcery knowledge.
Just compare what's in here, with 3 dozen succeeding at doing the real thing, versus what he's got where all he can think about is stealing money.
I sure would like to find a Chinese man who could do the real thing!
But my friends in New Taipei, so it's impossible for the Chinese to learn real magic.
Because they don't want to.
For a while, I had 2 students in Taiwan.
But I couldn't get them to practice for real.
That's how I ended up here. That experiment, to try to save what Carlos worked for from being lost to greedy pretenders, failed.
And someone pointed me to reddit, where I could get thousands of people to try.
Instead of focusing on just a few.
Here's my two Taiwanese students.
I haven't given up on them, but teaching specific people has never worked in the history of our sorcery, without a Nagual (double being) to give them the Nagual's blow.
The old seers took very young children as apprentices.
But by the time people are adults, it's too late to teach them.
Without a double being to push their assemblage point, and an entire lineage of 15 sorcerers, to guide and trick them.
Hey is it good you just showed the pics of your students ？😆
Anyway, I've trying so hard on this path Jesus i stumbled into Chinese circle and for juan's sake i knew something is off！！but i stayed humble. But i don't regard them as pretender too because you can see one's sincerity, and omg i experience a lot！i hear things interfered with inorganics and many bad experiences in 2020, but somehow i panicked and managed to close all my senses, got into lunatic asylum twice, no one in Chinese community can tell me excat things i had this feelings for so long, like untouchable, i could just swallow it myself, omg. Ive always had abilities to gaze and see colors but none of them seems to be important in my Chinese community🤣omg I'm so shocked i need time to digest
That's the old lineage method, not what we have now.
We're all out in the open!
There's no other way to save this magic as far as I know.
Real sorcery does in fact make you feel as if you have gone insane.
When it really works.
But if you keep reducing your internal dialogue, eventually you understand what's going on.
Btw can you have me as student？ Finally met someone who know what he's talking about. Clear and excat
No. It's not possible to teach individuals.
It's never been done in the entire 8000 year history of sorcery.
Unless you could the old seers taking 3 year old apprentices.
But once someone is adult, teaching them is impossible without a Nagual.
And we don't have any naguals.
The only way people can learn now, is on their own.
Using their own dedication and honesty.
Our success rate in this subreddit is only 1 in 100.
And that's just who subscribes, and then actually does work to try to learn.
Out of 10,000 we've only gotten 3 dozen who can move their assemblage point.
Thus, if anyone pretended they could teach, they would not only fail, but also they'd be giving up their own ability to keep learning.
When you see "teachers" out there, who claim they can teach sorcery, it's 100% guaranteed they've never learned anything real at all.
It's a pity.
But if you practice hard, you'll see it yourself.
It becomes obvious.
"Students" are just seeking endorsement, not magic.
And teachers of magic are fakes. All of them.
I didn't take the Taiwanese women as students, I tried to form a new lineage, using a double woman I found.
Or rather, stalked for 2 years.
But she doesn't mind.
I managed to gather all 5 women together, which is how "the rule" says you create a new lineage.
Carlos tried it also.
We both failed. You can't make a new lineage, without the previous lineage doing the work.
Here's two more I put together to see if I could make it work.
But it was a disaster!
Hey thanks for texting so much, you have big energy, i have a question, when you say reduce inner dialogue, you do that all the time or just when practicing？ And what do you mean by you can make a new lineage without previous one doing the work. And how did you trick the double woman into this thing.
It's best if you do that all the time, but if you only do it when practicing, and you're using a technique where magic is visible in the air if you succeed, you can do it only when practicing.
Later, it'll be easy. So you'll do it all day long, when you remember.
You get to see magic floating in the air during the day!
How did I trick the double woman?
Actually I rescued her from almost sure death.
All of her friends agreed that was true.
Double women are harmful to themselves at that age.
They can easily manipulate all the people around them, so they get into incredible trouble.
Don Juan said something similar in one of the books.
I suppose, the way the lineages actually worked was, the old Nagual found a double woman, and "rescued" her.
Then used her to gather 4 more women.
He used all of them, to lure the new double man.
But you'd have to be trying to do it, to see that clearly.
It's all very romantic and cryptic in the books, so it's not obvious to readers, what's really going on.
Also, the lineages were very very wealthy.
That's inevitable if you keep passing the wealth of the lineage, on to the next lineage, and it keeps going like that for 800 years.
When don Juan left, Carlos had to dispose of all that wealth.
Cholita, my companion, was partly imported to LA to help with that.
I'm not sure she actually did though. She won't talk about it.
She just complained about Carlos' friends she worked for.
hey how do you know a double man , i don't know , i've been very weird since reading CC's books and , i have this double directioned feeling all the time. can you managed to check if ?XDD
Best to forget about that. People who start to believe they are double beings, never actually learn. It's attention they're after, not magic.
Besides they're rare.
Carlos only ever found 1 male. Even with 10,000 coming to his workshops.
Tony Karam is the one he found.
But he became a Buddhist teacher, and gave up real magic in order to get attention from the evil Dali Lama.
So you don't want to be a double male...
They do almost as badly as double women.
However, once you can see you can go to an international airport in Asia, and you might see one.
They're rare, but those traveling on business tend to concentrate them a bit.
I saw one there around 15 years ago.
and by the way, when im texting you im also texting one of my Chinese folk on this path, the amazing dreamer i mentioned earlier, he said when individeul is not perfect, but went for holding group, would only be matter of time that "shadow outsider" get in invade, and finally became some kind of cult , what do you think of this saying
We throw 3 per week out of this subreddit. There's constant invaders!
Or at least, the mods throw them out.
Those are all people who work hard and have actually learned.
Your friend is thinking about people who take money.
He's never seen anything like this subreddit, where no one wants money, there's no group, no meetings, and no religion.
Thus a cult is impossible.
Could be, he's protecting his pretending?
And feels threatened?
There's three private students of Carlos himself helping in here.
And his 2 Allies.
If that isn't enough, there's no way this knowledge will continue beyond our lifetimes.
Alone, the books don't seem to be enough to convince anyone to actually follow the instructions in them.
Your friend hasn't.
no no sorry for not making it clear, my friend meant the inorganic invaders, the shadow, the outsiders that give us their mind, because i didnt read english , i can only translate the word from chinese, did i make myself clear ?
You can't learn sorcery without the dark energy of inorganic beings.
It's not possible to move your assemblage point the way sorcerers do.
You can find that mentioned in Art of Dreaming.
And dark energy becomes visible very early on once you learn to move your assemblage point.
Most of us see it now.
I play with it nightly.
So you NEED the inorganic beings.
Can't avoid them.
I've had as many as three at a time helping me learn.
Also, every human has them as scouts in their dreams.
Yes！this is he's point, he meant, if you can see, why bother getting answer from inorganic, don juan cut interfering with inorganics, and that's how castaneda got rob in blue scout dream, he's so lucky he survived after that. Only being a perfect warrior will not lost, otherwise foreign installation and shadows will get us all. Which they have been doing this for thousand years, he said without warrior's discipline, one is just an old classic sorcerer, Which were all kept in the war with shadow, only death denier survived out.
How do you imagine that Don Juan cut interfering with inorganics when he had two of them in a gourd?
With regards to not using them, this paragraph does not say that he does not use them, it says he doesn't want any part of them:
"They have never been my cup of tea," he said. "Of course, the main reason was my fear of them. I was unable to get over it when I had to, and then it became fixed."
"Do you fear them now, don Juan?"
"It's not quite fear I feel but revulsion. I don't want any part of them."
All it says here is that he doesn't give in to their influence, it doesn't say he doesn't use them:
"We can't have dealings with them," he answered, "and yet we can't stay away from them. My solution has been to take their energy but not give in to their influence. This is known as the ultimate stalking. It is done by sustaining the unbending intent of freedom, even though no sorcerer knows what freedom really is."
thanks for replying , but yes , i meant only by being perfect warrior can encounter unknown inorganics, and the ultimate our enemy, the foreign installation
Why do you think that?
"I was unable to get over it when I had to"
Don Juan encountered inorganic beings before he was a perfect warrior, he was just unable to get over his fear when he "had" to.
Discipline is what drives off the foreign installation, but it is discipline in practicing. That includes all of the practices.
"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times," don Juan continued, "was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. They found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which the fleeing of the 'flyers' mind becomes routine, until one day it flees permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices, which are nearly zero. There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻thanks man
He's pretending his sorcery, based on memorizing facts rather than personal experience. He's what we call an "inventory warrior".
He's the worst kind of Castaneda fan. The kind that nearly destroyed everything with their pretending.
And precisely what I was warned about, regarding whether the Chinese can learn real magic.
Hopefully you aren't like that too.
Carlos gave us his 2 allies. They're the only reason this place exists, for your friend to comment about.
And those 2 allies help people in here, who learn to perceive them.
Of course, we have one of the allies of Taisha, and at least 3 other allies belong to specific people in here.
Maybe as many as 12?
Your friend has an Ally too, he's just ignoring it.
Tell him to look in his dreams and he'll find her.
thanks for replying and guiding
and btw who's Tunneshende, what do you think of her books , im thinking if i should read them
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/additional_resources/biblio/me_too_naguals/
A lot of this information has already been recorded, I'd suggest checking out the wiki.
oh wow , i thought Tunneshende's books are real, today's really mind blowing
Another total fraud. All of the people writing books pretending to be sorcerers associated with Carlos, are frauds.
Just bad people, lying to steal money.
There's nothing other than Carlos, Taisha, Florinda, or Carol Tiggs.
And Carol never released her book.
You should learn for real, and then you'll know when someone is a faker.
I learnt for real, but just not in dreaming section, i started to read in 2017, and live my life best as i can as don juan's teaching. I knew lujan is so fake dare to use name of old nagual and family name of don juan, haha so obvious, but tunneshende, i couldn't tell, it seems all real, even my Chinese folks thought it's real. But yes i have to say, there's something i felt off too, that's why i ask about her
Tunneshende eventually couldn't make enough money with her book and her pretending, so she teamed up with another bad man trying to trick people.
I'm not sure, but it might have been the french guy.
There's a list of any bad person y8ou might find on the internet, who has a book or is giving fake workshops.
It's in the wiki.
We pretty much know them all.
Carlos himself made fun of Marilyn in lectures in private classes.
Along with many other fake teachers.
There was one, "Colorado Carlos", who claimed to be "the real Carlos Castaneda".
He claimed, our Carlos was just a copy. Saying he could project as many as 90 copies of himself.
Carlos met him at a party in Hollywood, where he introduced himself as Carlos Castaneda.
Carlos said he was much better for that part, so he didn't argue with him.
But when Carlos told us the story, it was "the last straw".
Carlos said, "And now there's a guy who claims he's ME! ME!!!!"
Dan, you're based beyond belief. Never change bro. 😃
Did they pop up in front of you with stars in their eyes as well. I haven't figured out what that is about female dark energy strangers and eye gazing but it's something I've run into since I started my off again on again sorcery practice. I feel bad because I feel I should be way more advance to where I can teach them stuff but I'm nowhere near that stage. Maybe in a couple decades I suppose.
It's never dudes either it's always young chicks. They're always train wrecks as well. Those 2 girls must have been a nightmare be around
There's differences in "types" of women even someone who can't see can spot, if they look for it.
I gathered the different types.
And being autistic, those women were no more of a nightmare for me to be around, than anyone else.
Hi! I'm a beginner as well. You can pick some of the tensegrity passes and get started doing them. I found the Dreaming passes the easiest when I started. There's the Recapitulation passes as well, but that series is quite long.
Thanks for your advice！I'm not a beginner tho, I've been practicing for years now😆
If you say so. 😆
I’m special. Your special. Everybody in the River of shit is so special…..worthy of rescue, worship and immediate entry into inner circles and secret groups.
The alternative is lonely, solitary, frustrating and so fucking rewarding….
All we had to do was scream intent, practice and start swimming.
Yes, but also be cautious for we have do many flaws, could be our disadvantages, not only to have intention, but also with warrior's behavior
I’m not a warrior, I don’t subscribe to the warrior or man of knowledge stuff from the books.
Why not？
May i ask how old r u？