So, before I found this subreddit, my only practices were recapitulation and dreaming, dreaming is where I had the most experiences and it came easier to me. But since I found this subreddit, I slowly started to practice more seriously, especially since I moved into a new house with very good amenities for doing dark room and any kind of practice really because I can be alone for long stretches of time.
This happened about 1 year ago, when I left my house to go sleep in a hotel for 3 days because I live right next to a church in Mexico and it was the fiesta de barrio time of the year, the fireworks and music are non stop from 4 am to 2 am and so for 3 days so is extremely loud and crazy.
Night came and I couldn't sleep cause well, I was not in my bed and I usually struggle like crazy to fall asleep ( hyperactive mind ). So I went down stairs in the suite I rented and I sat on the couch and laid there trying to relax. It was already about 5 in the morning so I was dead tired, but my mind was active enough to keep me from passing out. So I entered dreaming consciously. Once I found myself in the dream world I started to look at my hands to lock in the dream attention, then I started to explore a place that looked a bit similar to the suite I rented. I ended up in a large kitchen and started to look around at objects, short glances, trying to come back to the same objects and see how they shift and turn colours etc. At some point I thought to myself to practice a bit of tensegrity in the dream, because I thought it might help to retain the tonal attention and I usually also try to recapitulate my day, I find that locks in the dream world even more. I started to do one of the very few series I knew at that moment which was mashing and stirring. As I started to do the movements right there in that big kitchen, a dark woman figure with void black eyes appeared next to me and started to bother me. It was not talking just looking extra creepy. I did not get spooked, and kinda like pushed it to leave me alone to do my practice. I continued and it disappeared for a bit, did the series about 2 times before it came back and started to bother me again, it was trying to grab me, I pushed it again very hard and turned my back on it to continue with my practice as it seemed to me she was bothered by me practicing tensegrity, but then in a moment I turned and she was right behind me, and all of a sudden shoved her arm through my abdomen violently, which did not hurt but made me wake up right away. Needless to say I was spooked as heck when I woke up and felt so unreal days after this encounter.
I am not sure what that presence was? IOB maybe? Any of you had similar encounters?
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I suppose she was an IOB… Some time ago, I was in an ordinary dream, trapped inside a house with an “ex-girlfriend.” Somehow I realized she was an IOB and that I was dreaming... She went mad and stabbed something into my neck. I fought as best I could, and she vanished, though her presence could still be felt in the house... I went to the center of the house and started breathing heavily and doing the lifesaver pass. On the first turn, the IOB jumped on me, and it felt like a strong electric shock. I kept doing the lifesaver pass and swaying until I woke up.
I think at first IOBs terrify us so much that we become aggressive toward them. I don’t think they want to harm us — they just want to feed on us; I suppose that, to them, our energy is like kibbles...
So we have to establish a good line of work and communication with them, focused on learning something about magic... I suppose the lack of awareness in ordinary dreams makes that relationship difficult. In my case, the relationship with the IOBs improved a lot when I started seeing them as visions in the dark room or in waking dreams.
Carlos had mentioned that the scouts in the dreams that have the form of our own people like family members or friends are from much further away than the iobs, i.e. our allies.
he had actually mentioned a type of iob; that you have to fight as you become more advanced with our sorcery he had called them something like "see more"; it was a reference in Amy's book...not an a ally not an a flyer but something total different!
It would be great to have sorcerers specialized in IOBs, doing inorganic taxonomy and all that...
An AI will be able to do that eventually, by reading all of the material in this subreddit. And all of the material Techno accumulated.
Of course, the instructions to the AI will need to include "Ignore bad players".
AIs are very good at pattern recognition, but it might take a full pass over the data for it to understand what's a bad player, before extracting any taxonomy of inorganic beings.
So I’m training a GPT called IOB Taxonomy using information from the wiki about Bad Players and the references to IOBs in Carlos Castaneda’s books. It can’t read the whole subreddit on its own, but if you give it a story, it creates a player profile and suggests a classification for the IOB involved. The first classifications were somewhat “esoteric,” but I kept refining it to provide a more practical approach:
IOB Taxonomy — “Dark Woman with Void Eyes”
1) Context of Appearance
→ This creates a mixed perception: part dreaming attention, part residual tonal projection.
2) Description of the Entity
→ Contact corresponds to a shadow-type inorganico, drawn to the energy stirred by movement and attention rather than by intent.
3) Taxonomic Position
Short code: IOB–Shadow–Female / Reactive / Navel Intruder
4) Practical Recommendations (within Castaneda’s framework)
A. Before Dreaming
“Tonight I intend to sustain awareness and recognize the inorganic presence with sobriety.”
(No bargaining, no emotional tone — only command.)
B. During Dreaming
“Stay at a distance.”
C. After Waking
5) Ally Potential
This IOB shows reactivity but no teaching behavior.
It is a threshold being, useful only for testing the dreamer’s control of attention.
If in three separate dreamings it fails to respect distance or offer recognizable instruction, it should be left behind.
Allies, as don Juan explains, must respond to power and abandon, not fear or curiosity.
“The intent one has to send out to them has to be of power and abandon:
I do not fear you. Come to see me if you will; if not, I will miss you.”
6) Summary
The dreamer shows only partial sobriety; traces of the tonal interfere with perception.
The entity encountered is identified as a shadow-type inorganic being, one that feeds on or is drawn to emotional turbulence.
The value of the encounter lies mainly in testing the dreamer’s composure and command—how well they can maintain attention and authority within the dreaming state.
The recommended course of action is to recapitulate the fear, reaffirm intent, and reenter dreaming only after achieving complete inner silence during waking life.
The potential for alliance with this IOB is low, as it demonstrates no teaching function or capacity for stable exchange.
The orange scouts hide behind people we know well such as family members. They are the most pesky/ annoying. I think it was sizzling, like the more it sizzles, the further away it comes from. Blue energy comes from far away. Red energy nearer. Green is from " long ago",I guess. Don Juan did say that the ancient seers were more green. Rocks are also green if I'm not mistaken. Makes sense somehow
The seymores preyed on the more advanced practitioners who " see more". They made their way through cracks in doorways.
And those gusts of wind from passing cars which iobs could hide behind -fliers love big cities
Don Juan didn't like the " fleeting shadows" associated with particular areas. Because this is less mobile energy, watch out
There's the iob's which are closer to man which can always be found by waterholes.
There's also the shadow beings which are the closest thing there was to humans, but that they were always looking for a calm place to abide because they're ultra sensitive to movement. I guess these are the same shadow beings described in " The Shadows World" , for whom feelings were too " hard", even the sense of liking them.
Which is what mystifies me a bit. Don Juan had no idea the shadows world existed before Carlos was introduced to it. I guess there was more to those pesky " fleeting shadows".
So with a quick list we already know 10; different "types" of inorganic beings..
And the " phantom" sabre tooth tiger from another time, who Carlos would meet as his equivalent. I think he learned his breathing with the stomach. And there's the Jaguar which could read thoughts
Where be this list, purely for research purposes ofc.
Maybe you didn't understand my comment well..this list doesn't exist anywhere..
Maybe you're not a helpful person lol.
You probably don't know that I don't speak/write English well
How creepy hahahaha, at same time so fun, is like living your own horror movie LOL
I am assuming also it must be how our dramatic awareness interprets everything that we don't quite understand as danger. The monkey inside us is meant to respond with fear in order to get away from the unknown. Our own nature doesn't give a fig about us developing and enlarging our perception, it only cares to be safe and survive...
I do tensegrity in dreaming and also other things such as dancing some steps I remember not because of the effects of Tensegrity in normal conditions, but because engaging my tonalic memory brings more awareness into my dream practice. Is why I constantly look at my hands also, it locks in tonal awareness and keeps me from loosing lucidity. I do recapitulation in dreaming, I write ideas, and many other things that in turn provide me with hours of fully awake sessions.
A veces bailo en el cuarto oscuro, tratando de encontrar los “pasos prohibidos” de la cumbia...
Of course! That's a "scout".
Naturally, if there's multiple entities running around you need to "stare them down" to find out which one is the real scout.
The Allies can even appear as mountains, so it's no big deal for them to be 5 different pesky people running around interfering in your dream.
But one by one you fix your gaze on a detail on the potential phantoms, such as a shirt button, and don't let your eyes move from it even a tiny bit.
If they try to stop you, point your index finger at them like it was a weapon.
That won't always stop them, until you've done it a few times and have the intent of it down. But once you learn this technique, you can quickly uncover which is the real scout, because they won't go away, like the phantoms do.
Unfortunately, that "dreaming skill" won't last. Years later they'll be back to resisting.
Nothing in sorcery lasts, if you stop practicing!
Oh cool! Very helpful, I only tried the pinky technique, but in this case I had no time to react. In another dreaming session a few days ago I encountered another "being" and I stared at it a lot in order to see if it changes or disappeared, actually there were various and out of all only one was left and I dared to ask if it was an IOB and is why is not vanishing like the others and it said yes ...
Interesting thought on storing up scout energy, I need to pay attention, do you get this kind of effect from virtual interaction too?
We don't know...
But later you can do "Dark Puff Tensegrity".
Just watch what the blackness is doing, while doing your tensegrity.
I'm trying to figure out how to store dark energy into objects.
To make power objects.
The IOBs live for billions of years (some of them), and so if you can store their awareness into an object, the bearer of the object is connected to their world.
And can summon them.
Which they don't mind at all! They love witchcraft.
I suppose this means that women are inorganic being created power objects.
Which women also don't mind.
Well... Cholita wouldn't like hearing that.
She's baking shoes in the bathroom again today.
I have no idea why. I broke a rule and touched the shoe.
Normally I won't touch anything odd that she sets up.
It wasn't wet, so I can't think of any reason to be baking it.
She uses the old 1950s bathroom heater coils.
Hello, I was just passing by and couldn't help but intrude on your conversation. How wonderful! I couldn't make sense of the image either, but then I remembered that as soon as autumn arrives, my witch friend from Central Mexico complains about having “cold feet,” and fears that “if she doesn't gather enough warmth,” she’ll get sick all winter.
I sent her the photo saying: "A witch did this. What does it mean?"
She said: “She washed her sneakers and left them there to dry, and that way they'll absorb the heat, so when she puts them on she'll be warmer.”
I said: "They don't seem wet," and she replied: "It could be a spell to gain warmth. If you put your sneakers there, then your body is the heater — it's like putting a hat over the fireplace."
I try not to contradict her; I value my life as much as the energetic gifts she gives me.
This morning will be the 5th time I woke up to find her shoes baking.
I checked again.
She's not getting them wet and then drying them.
Used to do this as well when I was living in the Carpathian mountains in the fall/winter hahahaha.
Anyhow, thank you for the explanation, I have become slightly obsessed with understanding puff mechanisms and how come they appear in such variety, depending on the day, sometimes they form around me a whirl that rotates so much they make me dizzy. Sometimes they have a very strong texture, such as stone maybe? not sure how to explain it! I will watch the dark, I get a lot of that either mixed with the coloured puffs or on it's own as a large menacing form.
which part of the carpathians, friend?
One day, I had a dream about a woman with long black hair who plunged her hand into my forehead, pulled a black sphere out of my head, and said: "You think too much about your mother." Well, not a revelation, but the dream began as a conscious one: I was trying to leave the apartment when I was attacked by a group of witches. They came out of a non-existent additional door. They were in ordinary street clothes, but I was sure they were witches.
Doing tensegrity in a dream has happened to me as well.
The next day during waking practice, I was doing Zuleica's pass, and automatically my hands repeated the manoeuvre that I'd done in the dream the night before.
It was really weird because what I remember about the dream was that my body was in bed and my double was standing beside it, doing the tensegrity.
Explain this dream to us better and what kind of dream was it?...