It shouldn't be surprising that Carlos was tricky, and doing things we haven't yet figured out.
And it could also be, he was using his Silent Knowledge abilities to figure which direction to take us, and might not have known himself, what the long term results would be.
Often in private classes he'd use his "seeing" to read text above our heads at Dance Home, gazing at a virtual horizon to the south, and slightly east. I once tried to figure out if he was gazing towards Mexico City, but was never sure of my calculations.
So that while lecturing us, he'd just "read text" from above our heads, and add it to his lecture.
One remarkable thing that happened early on was the change from individual Tensegrity movements, which were surely closer to what the old seers designed, to a martial arts like "kata" method where we had to remember a series of movements.
Carlos explained that the single movements hadn't worked well, and we were still talking to ourselves in our mind the whole time we were doing Tensegrity.
Which makes the magic impossible to perceive.
He said that by having to do a series of movements, instead of just one, we had to focus more on our muscle memory.
And that might help us become silent.
Didn't work... Not a single person learned to move their assemblage point on demand, while Carlos was alive.
BUT you can use my method for achieving silence, and you'll get to see that silence actually stores INTO the muscle memory, so that the very opposite of what Carlos intended, works perfectly fine.
It's based on, if you have silence, it'll train INTO the movements.
Your body gets trained to produce perfect silence, when you accidentally do a Tensegrity movement out in the "real world".
Such as stumble and have to press your heel a little harder on the floor at the store.
You'll find yourself suddenly surrounded by the second attention.
By the way, "my method" for being silent during tensegrity, is to force every thought from your mind, ever single word, until your nose bleeds!
People don't like that at all.
But it works (eventually).
Carlos came up with more subtle methods, such as silence poles and rocks you squeeze between your fingers.
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I wonder what is the real reason behind the trickery and slyness of Don Juan, and consequently Carlos. Why was he so secretive, mysterious and vague. On top of that, opposing statements were a relatively frequent occurrence, even Carlos was somewhat agitated by that, only to become that way himself.
Maybe "The Spirit"?
We can't possibly learn sorcery on our own. Even if we memorize all the "Warrior's Rules of Honor".
In fact, that'll just distract you.
The way Jesus Freaks get distracted by group support, and think they've achieved something real.
So one might conclude that Carlos learned from don Juan's lineage, but that's not actually what happened.
As implied in the statement, that to learn sorcery, you simply have to intend to learn it.
(My opinion: good luck with that. It'll never work, because no beginner can "intend" anything at all.)
For the best understanding of how sorcery was learned in the lineages, you need to look at the story of Julian tossing don Juan into the river, to die.
Reciting some words he believed would invoke "intent", to make it all work out to cause don Juan's double to come out, and rescue him from drowning.
But honestly, Julian had absolutely NO IDEA if that would work.
No one does.
That's what makes "cleaning the link to intent" so important.
In fact, that's all sorcery really is.
It's not based on having a "good teacher".
Or "honest and saintly leadership".
As long as you believe that, you'll be a sucker for fake magical systems which make sure to be very consistent, in their pretending.
You're really messing your ability to learn up, unless you realize no learning can take place, until you reach Heightened awareness.
As don Juan admitted: "real learning takes place there."
And you only get there, through silence.
Until you move your assemblage point all the way to the other side of your body, you can't even begin to clean your link to intent.
And once you do, any discrepancies or "tricks" used by Carlos or don Juan, are nothing more that curious examples of how to deal with apprentices.
Worth understanding, if you're a fan of "knowing stuff".
But we don't have apprentices anymore, so it's not relevant to what we're doing.
I suppose, you could try tricking your cat if you needed practice with that aspect of sorcery.
I don’t know whether that was on purpose, but your comment is in collision with Don Juan’s lecture on cleaning the link to intent. Apart from that, a quality comment nevertheless.
Quote it for me if you can.
One nice thing about sorcery is, once you can actually perceive the Nagual, daily, and know how to move your assemblage point, you don't have to worry about misquoting stuff, because what you say is based on what is actually true.
And what's in the books is also.
So you can't make an "inventory mistake" due to poor understanding.
If you think there's one in what I said, point it out so I can become aware of other ways to look at that topic.
That exists for sure...
I'm convinced "the warrior's way" is the worst thing you can be thinking about, as a beginner.
And even if you're advanced, it's pointless.
You can "see" how you need to behave based on what effect it actually has on your sorcery.
But people get really angry when they hear me say that.
Warrior?
Pretender.
It’s a pity that the so-called “warriors” already “have it” and yet still “need” so much certainty… Somehow I thought “warriors” were the ones who dare to recover energy from their past, or the ones who fight their own laziness every single day…
Anyway, anyone who had dedicated even that much energy to actual practice would’ve already seen something in three weeks…
Also, if you want to be like “Genaro,” you need to work on being “quick” and “clever.” Otherwise you’re like a man with a tiny body carrying a giant cardboard head. (Mojigangas, they call them in Oaxaca — they come out dancing to entertain the people.)
So, Don Genaro, if you want to be a jester, you already are one — but if you want to be a practitioner of sorcery, you should’ve started working long before your anger and frustration shut the door on you completely...
Well, if that’s black-pepper-and-garlic salami, I wouldn’t mind the pill that much… It seems dogs just like to "adapt" to the pack...
Don Juan told him that it was because of the spirit, humans don't hear the call of the spirit when it does call and so the spirit has to use trickery.
If you observe in the books trickery was used in all apprentices in various degrees tailored for them until they were ready for the truth and to work with their own power. Plus there was great magic going on if you remember how good Nagual Julian did Don Juan.
There's a whole book dedicated explaining stuff about it " the power of silence" is all about it. But don't expect to understand anything about it unless you start to move your ap beyond red zone and you re read the books after.
Are you saying that you read the books with a dislocated AP or that the understanding changes once you mange to move it.
Understanding comes after you manage to move it far enough and long enough and you re read the books.
But do you read them in that heightened awareness or right after you have managed to move it and hold it there for some time. Or is it about accomplishing that task and then you can reread whenever.
Have done personally both but what matters more is to learn to move your ap more and more and books will reveal things you couldn't perceive before.
Bro yiu need to go do some practice, you'll have experiences and the when yiu reread the books you'll get a better understanding of what they were talking about.
Also you'll start putting together parts of the puzzle. Stuff that made no sense to you on first reading will make perfect sense. Or you'll have an understanding on what you need to do next or realize what's holding you back.
There's also parts of the book where out of nowhere Carlos will gloss over or drop some technique and then hop back into the story. You'll start noticing them when you have experience and reread the books
Don’t expect to understand anything unless you actually work on it…
As long as you don’t work on silencing yourself and stop pretending, there won’t be any “knowledge” or “magic” that wants to come near you… You ask questions as if you were a builder of answers, but you know they’re just excuses to avoid working all the time...
Like everyone else, you’ve had several square centimeters of opportunity; solutions have been offered to you here, but you’ve refused to take them because you know they would require you to shut up, stop playing superhero, and actually practice — when everyone already knows you will never do it... It’s unfortunate, but it won’t be the end of Olmec Sorcery, because there will silent people working on it.
I have nothing against the names you all choose, but names say too much about the one who is named. Don’t you think?
Another “Matus” appeared recently:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1olno82/comment/nmotnbk/?context=3&utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
The reason behind the trickery isn’t what it seems.
Those ideas are so far removed and foreign from the structure of the person’s tonal knowledge that you’re forced to speak in their own language — and when you translate that back into their tonal framework, it looks like trickery!
like.... darkroom.
If you have a deep fear of clowns, or if you’re obsessed with the sex, the inorganic beings interact with you in exactly that way. They see what emanations you tend to light up, and they inject their awareness in that direction — so that you respond, show interest, and pay attention.
Because that’s the only language you understand.
The same goes for practitioners, spirit, or anything else.
They speak to you in the language you use — to draw you in. From a distance, it looks like deception.
That’s why Don Juan (or was it Julian?) was offered promises of wealth and women — because that was the only thing that could attract him at that stage.
Carlos was after knowledge about plants and “secrets,” so Don Juan spoke to him in that language.
Everyone who starts on this path is first drawn by some initial image — and later realizes they’ve been “tricked.”
But it wasn’t a trick; it was simply the only way to interact with the emanations you were willing to light up.
You can sit down and explain “poison” to your dog and give hours-long lectures on how it works, what effects it has on the internal organs of its body, and what could happen to it if it eats a toxic food.
Or... you can use the shared emanations:
By the way, I realized that puffs or colors and dreams… are actually “enriched dark energy”…
And for a reason that is related to this, that’s why going and visiting the worlds of inorganic beings is very suitable.
But now, it’s all gone…
Interesting answer. It makes sense.
I was re-watching an interview with Tony. He mentioned meeting Dona Soledad and the Generos. He sorta says (my regurgitation of his words for all those who require specific quotes this isn’t it) that Carlos took things aka the sorcery a different way and they (Soledad and Generos) were more traditional. If his perspective is true, it makes sense as Carlos was trying to pass the knowledge on not die with it. Kinda ties into your post….
Maybe a small example of how you’re watching and thinking about something and something relatable comes up in the Sub.
Cholita asked me about that when she drive me in her "little car" because she wanted something on amazon, and my work computer is the one that knows my password.
On the way, she asked about that very topic.
And I suggested she had met Nestor, giving the evidence I'd accumulated.
For the first time, she was only curious if that could be true, instead of getting angry.
So I took the opportunity to ask her to find her copy of Taisha's book, so we could settle any doubts about it being authentic, once and for all.
I don't know if she will...
It's buried somewhere back there.
Carlos was living life in LA/UCLA the heart (so to speak) of western culture and taking hiatus into third world (no disrespect intended here). It makes sense in my mind that if he wanted to pass the knowledge and find apprentices; no better way to do it, than turning passes into exercise and new age spiritualism = commercial success especially in LA. It’s controlled folly, and he got to scope for potential apprentices. Sadly he was nearer the end of his life with not enough time.
I’ve read Taisha’s unpublished book, we lucky it got leaked, never did it cross my mind that it’s a fake? You have some suspicion that it’s fake?
A Russian "expert" claimed it was.
Of course, he's now trying to steal money with another "system" he's become an expert on.
And as I was told, the eastern bloc has a history of fake Castaneda books.
There was one with something about Maria, in a semi-religious context.
But, any "expert" would read a little of that book, and realize it's 100% the real thing.
It's even quite advanced!
When Cholita split our home into two copies, that book was very nice to have around. I'd heard about Carlos having a phantom copy of his home at Pandora, and we all know that the death defier created a phantom version of Tula, but it was nice to hear that the entire unpublished book by Taisha, took place in a phantom copy of their house near Fort Ortiz.
Now of course I realize, it's totally inevitable to end up with phantom copies of where you live, when there are two or more sorcerers living there.
Maybe even just one, if an inorganic being hangs out there a lot.
It's just how silent knowledge works!
And a source of a LOT of potential "practical magic".
Maybe it's even why Tensegrity works.
It creates, through repetition, a "phantom movement group".
I read somewhere the Russians were making copies of CC’s books and distributing them in Soviet era so it’s likely lots was omitted or even changed when translated. The Russian monarchy were banging Rasputin so nothing is surprising coming outta Russia.
I really enjoyed Taisha’s unpublished - I need to read it again. I’ve only read it once. So much good information.
This is not quite copying, it was the so-called "self-publishing" (semi-professional or amateur translation), since no one officially released from in the USSR translation up to the 90s, for ideological reasons.
A disturbance in the force there is.
Is it laying on top of the tool chest, in between A-Z? Maybe wanting something from Amazon was code for A-Z?
LOL couldn’t be that easy?
Nope. It's likely buried in old legal documents.
But Cholita is a nomad, and at once point she thought maybe it was lost when she had to abandon her belongings because she could no longer live somewhere, and didn't have a car.
Carlos let her use one of his old cars.
Too bad she didn't keep that too!
I believe it was a car from the early books.
She told me the other day what make it was, but when Cholita's talking, you can't get out your cell phone and make notes.
That ends the conversation.
I thought it was a VW car, but it wasn't.
That's all I can recall about it.
She showed it to me, but back then I didn't understand the significance of her driving around in Carlos' old car.
Got this in my feed. Made me remember of la Gorda and the Genaros...