Leonora carrington

Hey I wondered if anyone is familiar with or knows much about leonora carrington and her "surrealist" artwork. Heard she was very popular in Mexico during her time

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 4 points 2025-11-19 07:19
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u/Aware_Guitar7733 1 points 2025-11-19 07:32

Ah that's amazing, I have a familial connection with her I'm from the UK

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u/NumerousExtension916 1 points 2025-11-19 22:42

Alejandro Jodorowsky considers her a kind of ‘teacher’ in his book on Ejo Takata, koans and "zen". I thought it was great to learn some aspects of Leonora’s life — I think it’s “good gossip”. Link to the book in Spanish: https://datelobueno.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/El-maestro-y-las-magas.pdf

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u/Aware_Guitar7733 1 points 2025-11-20 12:37

Thank you so much ! I have heard of the "holy mountains" film by Jodorowsky I'll have to give it a watch

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u/Aware_Guitar7733 1 points 2025-11-19 07:34

Thank you for showing me that i wasn't aware !

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 7 points 2025-11-19 13:07

Here is the illustration in better quality and resolution:

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u/danl999 10 points 2025-11-19 14:11

An obvious witch...

As for art, the lineages owned a bit of that. And being 800 years old, it must have been valuable.

So that at one point Cholita was imported from the peyote fields near Mexico city, just after, or while she was restoring art at an old Church.

Partying on a little island you could take a boat to, with the young male Mexican construction people.

She was made aware that Carlos was "importing art from Mexico", but I don't believe it ever occurred to her that, this might simply be what was left from don Juan's lineage.

Cholita said she was drooling to get her hands on it.

She specialized in Spanish Colonial Art from Mexico. People used to pay her to travel over Mexico asking Churches if they had old rolled up oil paintings in their cellars.

But then she went mad...

No one trusts a mad woman with paintings worth that much.

Carlos sent her to Vegas once, to meet a gangster who owned a Picasso.

Later, I noticed that Carlos was criticized by his critics, for knowing gangsters.

But they were kind to Cholita!

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u/Aware_Guitar7733 1 points 2025-11-19 14:22

Could you clarify what you mean by the "the lineages owned a bit of that" and what are you referring to that's 800 years old ? If you have any more information about her I'd be really interested

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u/danl999 10 points 2025-11-19 17:59

I think stuff about rooms filled with amazing antiques is in Taisha's books, but the way the lineages worked was, when the old "nagual" left with his peers (people who became apprentices at the same time he did), the estate was passed on to the next lineage.

At one point, there were perhaps dozens of such lineages in Mexico. Each one deliberately hiding from all the others.

But over time, less than 10 are left. My guess is 7.

So if you were selected by a lineage to pass on this magical knowledge, you got the advantage of being able to work there.

Notice "selected". No one could join up to learn sorcery.

The "old seers" took younglings and they became servants to them, until they learned themselves while growing up.

After that ancient model of teaching only children was no longer practical, groups of 15 sorcerers would select people based on "seeing".

But no one could pay or join, or in any way get themselves in a position to actually learn our sorcery.

That's only since Carlos came along!

I think that "compound filled with sorcerers" thing of the lineages, was especially good for the witches of the party. Who greatly benefit from focusing all of their time on learning magic, rather than having to have an ordinary job, or be married and raise a family.

Don Juan's lineage even purchased stock along the way, and after hundreds of years even a crummy stock can be worth millions.

If I had to guess, I'[d say the lineage of don Juan was in fact very wealthy.

Let's say you bought a chair in 1600...

Just a crappy, 1600s chair.

But you kept it for 400 years!!!

That's what happened to the lineage.

And there were paintings too. Very old ones.

Our sorcery is between 8000 and 10,000 years old.

EASY to prove that from history. I say 10,000 years, due to when the early Luiseno settlements were formed, near my home.

If they were here 10,000 years ago, then why not people on the east coast of Mexico, which is well within migration distances from California.

But we don't have any proof of an age older than 8000 years, which is based on an "old seer" who is still alive to this day.

He's 8000 years old.

And he even pushed me into the inorganic being's world, in my physical body!

Not a dream, not a vision. Carol Tiggs, who now holds his awareness (a single human can house another human who no longer has a body), literally pushed me right through the floor of Dance Home, and I fell down 30 feet into a dirt tunnel.

Here's a kind of "map" that shows the 800 years age of the "lineages". Before that, it was just lone wolf sorcerer's fighting among each other. But at some point they got tired of being wiped out by invaders, and formed the lineages so they could hide out, and avoid all the fighting.

I should update this. We now know where Zuleica's house was located, with a few miles.

Fort Ortiz where the Yaqui surrendered after the Yaqui wars.

That's the Yaqui connection. It's not at all what the critics of Carlos claim.

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