i don't see it spoken about much but in theory, could you heal your physical body using these techniques? it seems like it should be in theory, possible, given all the other things that can be done, that seem, far beyond, simple healing, unless i'm missing something.
i hope this question is appropriate but i've been curious and i don't see it discussed much. i have though seen discussed that it's important to keep the physical body healthy but that is different to what i'm wondering.
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tensegrity can do that I think, since some passes prepare the body for different things..
also let's not forget the pass called helping the flow of immunity or the other for putting out of body toxins..
Carlos couldn't at the end, even though he had a decade or so earlier when he fell off the roof at Pandora, while picking pears.
There's techniques for healing.
Claw hand for instance.
"Jumping Grooves" in the wheel of time.
It's just unlikely anyone motivated by that would ever put in the work to reach the level where it's possible.
There's even techniques in this system to extend your lifespan to perhaps 120 or more.
But again, it's not the point.
The point is to see cool magic, if you really want to succeed.
And once you've seen a lot of it so that you don't have doubts anymore, you can entertain the idea of keeping your awareness past death.
But if that's your primary motivation you'll just turn this into a pointless religion, the way Cleargreen followers have.
i don't really even know what my primary motivation is, honestly. a curiosity, but it feels deeper than that although i cannot articulate it properly. i guess it's a general wonder as to what is truly possible, what the limits of being human really extend to, in all ways, not just that aspect, but including that aspect.
even evading death is not my primary motivation or interest. if death really is death (total obliteration of awareness), it doesn't sound that terrible, although living and experiencing cool stuff is a little more preferable.
that is part of the problem, i am too much the scientist, less the pragmatist.
You'll have to get your own answers on most of that.
Motivations (intent) are key when you get to advanced stages, and no one can afford to figure out things that someone else is concerned about.
Your answers were probably available from don Juan, or maybe even Carlos, but they're both gone.
So it's up to you, to answer your own queries.
I will say, our sorcery is more like Quantum physics, than Newtonian.
And people are almost 100% newtonian in their expectations of how things are.
We don't like it when we find out "there's actually nothing there".
Even though you can measure it, and there seems to be "stuff".
There's also bigger questions than what you asked.
How come seers can turn into trees, and live 5000 years?
Why can you stretch yourself into an infinite line, and go time hopping in periods of hundreds of years?
Why are there 60 perfectly valid worlds we can go live in, and what happens to your body in this one, if you decide to switch?
Likely we'll never rise to the level to find those answers on our own.
Primary motivation: getting silent.
Challenged accepted, lol.
It’s really that simple, yet it’s so hard to do…
I think drinkjetfuel, he cracked it, you gotta do it multiple times in a day. And doing it everyday.
I have a very negative internal dialogue, but it does seem to reduce a lot easier after I've done a few sessions of tensegrity.
I'd go at it again, maybe around 11 pm, and I'd start seeing the purple building up after a few minutes.
Oof, yeah, like DJ says in the Magical Passes book, it should just be done for the hell of it. I keep telling myself I'm doing tensegrity to get jacked lol
a thought occurred to me, since it seems to some extent objective miracles depend on the beliefs? or intent? of the people that surround you. everybody involved's AP needs to shift accordingly such that they come to inhabit the same world, so to speak, as i roughly understand it.
so the thought is: what if Carlos couldn't heal himself because of all the pretenders/fakes that surrounded him at the end? what if their intent sabotaged his intent to heal?
this is absolutely pure speculation.
Carlos was simply drained of energy, from trying to help us.
He told us so! That's not speculation on my part.
But he'd always been sickly. In the lineage, he was referred to as "The Nagual who got sick", by La Gorda.
And no. You don't need others to agree to do miracles. You get to do those anyway if you work hard.
Remember, there's 600 alternate realities you can live in, and 6000 if you count "in between ones".
Also, whether it's easy to get other people to perceive magic you've learned to do, we just don't know.
Cholita can do that anytime she likes with me, but that doesn't prove anything because a sorcerer and a witch together have weird stuff happen all the time, just like in The Second Ring of Power.
I believe you've fallen into the "consensus reality" misunderstanding, which is taught by pretenders.
Some even famous.
There are trillions of "realities"! And many of them are as real as this one. Regardless of what anyone thinks about it.
You perceive the one you've focused your awareness on. But you have to hold it there steadily before it feels quite real.
You can't force someone else to do that, especially since alternate realities are completely outside all they've known.
So in the lineages they used the Nagual's blow to move the assemblage point of someone, so they could perceive magic.
Even a light tap on their shoulder made that possible.
If you were a double being.
Which we have none of.
Don Juan and don Genaro would sometimes use fright to make magic visible to Carlos.
His assemblage point moved from the fright, and then he could perceive whatever it was they were trying to get him to see.
But his assemblage point was already movable, due to don Juan using the Nagual's blow on him often.
The Allies use fright too, but at first they still need you to move your own assemblage point down your back, at least a few inches.
So that implies you can't just scare someone, and then do magic for them.
I suppose if it were easy to show magic to others, all of the world would know about it.
There are of course fakers everywhere, doing "demonstrations".
Such as Nepalese masters levitating.
But there's a guy who goes around exposing those, and when he's done it's obvious how they did it.
He's never found anything real, so far.
Some of my facebook fans were tricked by African fakers. Nothing can convince them otherwise, even though they've never learned to do anything themselves.
It's a religion for them...
Are you saying there is no life after death?
Certainly I don't know, but according to the seers of ancient Mexico, there isn't.
Your awareness dissipates, unless you find a way to contain it without a physical body.
So sorcery techniques to "defy death" consist of various types of containers you can come up with.
You can bury yourself under a rock to die and perhaps live there, as long as you have inorganic beings with you, for another 1000 years.
Or you can go to live in the inorganic being's worlds, which is "sealed".
How long you can survive there we don't know, because no old seer who went there has ever died.
So at least 8000 years, and maybe as much as 1 million years.
Or, you can go find that big dome on the earth, in which case you can live until the earth is destroyed when our sun goes red giant.
5 billion years perhaps.
Don't mistake this for religious beliefs.
Sorcerers have observed all of this first hand. That's how they came up with those solutions.
And you'll get to randomly see various elements of what they discovered, which I suppose is better than seeing them in some sacred order. Like an asian "achievement".
There are none in sorcery. Just energetic facts you get to view and experience yourself.
With it being random, there's no reason to doubt any just because they're "further on the list".
Sorcerers can also visit both heaven and God.
I've done both of those.
But not enough times to conclude you can't "go to heaven" after you die.
Just enough times to verify you can in fact visit both of those.
I was a bit skilled at visiting heaven perhaps 15 years ago.
I could do that to sooth a hangover from business drinking in Asia.
It's not a sleeping dream.
You go there fully awake.
Do you have any information about this dome on Earth past what’s in Carlos’s books? I would love to learn more.
Nothing other than it's no longer our goal.
Carlos found something permanent. Likely he found a way to contain awareness at a level of the emanations where you can set up a "home base".
There is in fact no physical matter, no time, and no space. Only those emanations in the dark sea of awareness which create solidity and space, and vibrate when we apply some of our awareness to specific bundles of them.
Which, if you like to watch YouTube videos on advanced physics, is in fact the true situation we're in.
So if there's no such thing as physical matter, then any "container" you find is just a range of the emanations you're keeping some of your awareness on.
You might be better off to try to identity how to do that, rather than looking for giant domes that only exist in the second attention, where you can't perceive them anyway until you learn to move your assemblage point.
That's a "show biz" concern, and not what sorcerers should be focusing on.
Focus on "how". Not "what".
Worse, learning to move your assemblage point for real would result in 10,000 more questions you have no answer to, and the giant dome would become the least interesting of them.
Especially since Carlos offered to "show us where to go" if we manage to keep our awareness and move past "The Eagle" on dying.
So we don't actually have to figure out how to get there.
HOWEVER, Carlos did show up once while I was practicing darkroom, to take me inside.
I was fully awake, eyes open, standing up in my room, learning from my childhood inorganic being I named "Fancy". She likes to dress up like she's going to a prom.
Carlos was suddenly standing there on the other side of a tunnel, beckoning me to follow him.
So I walked in to try to see if it was really him.
Right through my solid bed. I literally walked around 30 feet through the bed, through the wall, and to what should have been halfway into our front yard.
Which Cholita waters religiously.
Carlos took me further down the tunnel, through solid matter.
Where he wanted me to go looked to me like a shopping mall hallway system to offices and bathrooms.
Somewhere in his books or lecture notes, Carlos (or one of the witches) described it as having "vaults", which in some languages would imply rooms. Not places to keep your treasure.
So you'd also be better off to learn how to get Carlos to visit, than worry about the dome.
But not like Miles where Carlos visits in his nagging nightmares, and teaches him "new tensegrity movements" while giving workshop advice.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. It is a bit confusing since I dont know all the parts youre talking about. What i understood from it is either a yes or a maybe.
A yes in that youve visited heaven and all that, plus the other sorcerers experiences.
A maybe in that youve said before that this world and everthing we experience is completely made up by ourselves.
Did i get that right?
Not quite.
There's an infinite sea of emanations that have no awareness flowing in them.
They're like "zillions" of infinite strings, which never touch.
Extremely tiny in terms of thickness.
If you hold out your little finger and bend it upward, there's probabl yone trillion trillion emanations that are hidden by your finger.
So there's a LOT of them.
Most have never been perceived.
They give off tiny feelings and sensation.
YOU caN learn to perceive just one of t hem at a time, to get an understanding of how tiny and nearly meaningless that one emanation is.
But combined with thousands, they can give an "impression" of something.
Such as the sharp corner of a metal box. Just the "sharpness" of that edge. Or lack of sharpness.
If you focus your attention on the dark sea which contains all of those emanations, you are only likely to pick up the emanations that someone else, already viewed first.
Doesn't matter how long ago.
That's why you can visit God. Billions of people pray to him, even if he doesn't actually exist as a real entity, and that's created a bundle (billions) of those emanations ,that you can "locate", focus on, and find yourself standing at the feet of God.
Likewise for heaven, but also for "Silent Knowledge Entities.
I hang out with those guys most nights.
Two nights ago, I was talking to one that looks like this:
It wasn't just a hallucination, I had a little chat with her, trying to figure out if it was "Cholita" the witch.
So I suppose, there's other stuff you don't know, such as that you can easily find "teachers" who don't exist, but know everything there is to know about sorcery.
The world isn't "made up by ourselves".
It's a reality created by which emanations our awareness is flowing into.
If someone else was perceiving the same ones, they'd perceive the same world.
But's unlikely, except in groups of those emanations, which re being used by an entire planet.
THOSE are "easy to perceive".
But next to impossible to escape.
Don Juan answered this very question for Carlos.
Carlos asked something like, "So there's really nothing real there?"
Don Juan said something like, "Of course there's something there! But it's surely not what you're perceiving."
Wow. Its completely unknown to me.
So youre saying the spirit world is infinite and its made of many different spirit types, including humans. It also is made of all our thoughts and feelings and beliefs that interact with a spiritual super star trek hologram space that creates this world.
Wow.
Am i safe if i do this? Theres nothing dangerous right? My friend's mom says that astral travel could be scary, and the last time i successfully lucid dreamt; i was too afraid to open my eyes because i thought a monster would eat me.
Nope.
Sorcery isn't safe.
For that, try religion or pretend magical systems.
But it's also not safe to have no magical knowledge at all, and if the "new seers" are right, it means you'll ultimately die forever.
And as far as the dangers of sorcery they're certainly not greater than rock climbing, skydiving, or driving to work everyday for 40 years.
Thank you Dan. Watching something and seeing your animations really gave me a better sense of what youre saying. Thank you!
wait, do you mean to say heaven and God are real things?
By moving to a different assemblage point position, the biological body may indeed be restructured. This is from the chapter titled “The Last Seduction of the Nagual Julian” in the book The Power of Silence, by Carlos Castaneda:
Julian then ABSOLUTELY NEEDED to practice stalking, continuously, in order to prevent his assemblage point from shifting back to where he would literally die.
Or possibly was already dead….
i also imagine that what is possible depends on the beliefs? of the people that surround you too. for "objective"? miracles to occur, everybody's AP needs to shift accordingly - so we all inhabit the same world, so to speak.
i'm re-reading the first book (to begin the whole series again) and Don Juan recounts how things that were possible in ancient times just aren't possible anymore because people don't think such things are possible anymore. something to that effect, i'll get the passages later.
as an aside, even in the New Testament, it seemed Jesus' miracles depended on the person or people that surrounded him; how receptive they were. for instance, it is stated that when he went to his hometown, where he was unappreciated, few miracles occurred. -- i'm not saying Jesus was doing anything related to this, i just felt that correlation interesting.
EDIT: forgive my fumbling with words, i'm not using the precise terminology to articulate myself as i would like but hopefully i'm getting the gist across.
Not always. From the chapter titled “The Ticket to Impeccability” in The Power of Silence:
Being dead for an entire day is not something that Mexican peasants used to farm life and dead livestock would misinterpret based on belief.
I doubt you could breathe for that long, even in a shallow grave, with a mouthful of dirt.
Is the door knob pass illustrated in the videos or is it open to interpretation based on Don Juan’s advice to Carlos, whose friend was in hospital? Thank you
Yes you can... clear the way for the body to heal.