Swimming tensegrity movement - need advice

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I don't usually make posts here, cos I can't understand or reliably describe what I'm looking at most of the time. But there's something driving me up the wall lately.

When I do tensegrity eventually I see a night scene (I don't think it's a night scape to be honest but it just looks like the sky at dusk with a diffuse purple border).

Yesterday I was doing these motions where my hands were together, with the palms facing outwards. My hands jutted forward into that night scape and then they move out horizontally (it's like a swimming movement ). My head also looks in multiple directions and I can see this night scape above and below me.

Would anyone be able to give me some insight what's going on there?

When I get into the practice a bit, I alternate between that night scape (which I'll see when I am standing) and a crouching jacking movement which produces some purple spots/collection of purple colour in my vision. The constant alternating between the two positions frustrates me a bit. Because it feels like two different things completely.

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 3 points 2025-12-24 06:30

Do you usually see the night scene towards the end of your practice?

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u/wandering-travellr 1 points 2025-12-24 07:43

Yes, towards the end. I normally see those rainbow colours at the start (another user created a post about it).

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u/Emergency-Total-4851 4 points 2025-12-24 08:00

That makes sense, I usually find the same thing, once I get tired I see the night sky. I know some others have seen the same.

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u/wandering-travellr 2 points 2025-12-24 12:30

Hah, yeah, my internal dialogue is brutal, it'll make me ponder stuff like the night sky, when I should just stop thinking.

I just remembered something from when I learned the recapitulation passes, when I crouched down to do those 5 breaths and then I came back up to do another repetition of the passes , I'd get a "boost", like more colours. There's something about crouching.

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u/danl999 10 points 2025-12-24 15:40

Energy body forming perhaps. But it would be easier to be sure of that, if you had more experiences passing through the red and orange zones. It's a bit early for you to have an energy body forming.

Still, that's a possibility.

The energy body is a bit disappointing at first, because the vivid puffs are gone once they decide to form the energy body.

You just get a vague (and extremely difficult for a beginner to see) thin layer of blue around you.

Easier to see if you wiggle the fingers in the second attention assemblage point.

Later however, the puffs can be "deployed" off the energy body blue ball shape, to go do whatever you want them to do.

Once formed, the energy body itself is a viewer into dreaming realms.

That's pretty much why you can switch to it, and walk right off into a dream worlds.

It's sort of like a "bubble from dreaming realms" that comes to form around you.

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Naturally all that is very hard to do, requiring near perfect removal of your internal dialogue.

switching to the energy body as a bubble, is probably as difficult as turning to face the "wall of fog" that the lineages used as a training construct for apprentices.

So don't anyone start drooling. And certainly don't "look for" advanced sights, when you haven't even passed through beginner's realms.

You have to work like a dog to make this magic work, and then after that you have to work even harder.

That's one thing that makes the idea of an Asian "Master" so obscene.

Master of stealing money from the naïve, perhaps.

But not a master of consciousness, magic, or even someone with a beginner's understanding of what reality is composed of.

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u/SONONOSUNODINS 1 points 2025-12-24 19:21

Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon

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u/danl999 5 points 2025-12-24 19:52

I'm not sure of the context, but I tried to interest Chinese martial artists in real "light body techniques" and never got any interest.

Rather than be surprised and want to understand what potential real magic they've run across, they behaved angrily as if they'd been insulted.

Failing to interest anyone over 5 or 10 years, I eventually ended up here.

And you can indeed leap across treetops!

I've chased Cholita like that more than once.

One time, perhaps 20 miles before I gave up.

Awake of course. In my physical body (seemingly).

Hopefully you haven't been fooled by Chinese mysticism.

It's all a fraud.

Those living in Chinese countries know it. I have an office in a Chinese country.

They don't fall for it...

But people living outside didn't live with it all their life, don't see one Asian faker after the other, or the "Master" who gets caught sexually abusing people, so many in westernized countries get tricked.

We see through our own religious leaders, but not as easily through foreign ones.

So people like Alan Watts "import" Asian mysticism to make a profit, translate it to seem attractive to the western mind, and we fall for it.

That's why you hear Asian teachers saying westerners can't possibly understand their system.

They don't mean, we can't comprehend the amazing levels of magic.

They mean, we're suckers and don't realize it's just a lame religion like our own lame religions.

And that they shouldn't have to break the news to us...

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u/wandering-travellr 1 points 2025-12-24 21:48

"#4 Other" would have been the option I selected, hah.

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u/danl999 5 points 2025-12-25 13:03

List it! I'm always looking for more ways to convince people they have to be serious, by making them examine their motivations.

That happens naturally when you are face to face with miracles beyond belief, but can't get them to remain in front of you, because your internal dialogue jumps back in and starts commenting.

About how you're going to tell your friends of your great achievement.

Or how this means that the Greek concept of blah-blah-blah >add your own pretend wisdom here> is correct.

Or you just shake your head and rub your eyes, to make it go away.

But the good news is, once you actually see real magic, all that clears itself up as you practice.

It's actually the definition of sorcery!

"Cleaning one's link to intent".

Using real magic, to see if you're full of shit, or actually on the right track.

Later, when your link is clean, you'll be able to reach above your head, grab something, and bring it down to eye level, to see what you caught.

And it'll be something real, not something imagined. Fully visible,. and you can even learn to keep it around if you care to put in that much effort over a "wild magical creature".

But UNTIL you actually get real magic daily, you're doomed if you aren't motivated by #3.

If there's a #4 that makes you actually put in some real work (something no one in any other magical system ever does), I'd love to know what it might be.

Actually I do know of one more. Don Juan gave it to us.

A monster or a witch, who wants to kill you. So that you have no choice but to learn.

They used that trick in the lineages, but only because once someone was indicated to them by "the spirit", they had to succeed at teaching them.

Here's how Julian taught don Juan, at first. He kept him prisoner using his Ally.

One of the two we have in here, most likely. I'd guess, it's Minx...

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u/wandering-travellr 1 points 2025-12-25 13:26

A couple of things off the top of my head were...

La Gorda's Losing the Human Form

Entering the 3rd Attention

Being a complete human being

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-12-25 14:00

Those all sound like #2 motivations to me.

But if they work and you get to the purple zone, I'll be proven wrong!

Carlos certainly thought those could work, because he kept writing until there were 17 books (or so) just from him. All designed to "hook you".

But keep in mind, he never succeeded in teaching anyone.

It was his allies that finally made a few seers in our community.

Which perhaps is the way it always goes, if you look closely at the stories from the books.

The Allies certainly started all this, 8000+ years ago.

And we can't move our assemblage point the way sorcerers do, without their dark energy.

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u/wandering-travellr 1 points 2025-12-25 14:29

Does that dark energy attach itself to the energy pouches? How's it used?

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u/danl999 4 points 2025-12-25 15:07

Not that I know of, however it will store in women's wombs.

Those are suitable for living beings to reside in, and thus when the "death defier" merged with Carol Tiggs, one possibility is that his energy went there.

It's a "container", which is what awareness needs.

The dark energy is an extension of the inorganic beings, who have their own container. Their world is ALL a big "sealed" container.

From there, they can project energy without worrying that it's not contained, and thus might disperse too much.

Which is why the old seers could go there to live on for a million years more, when they got too old to stay in their flesh body.

We know that women store dark energy in their womb because Carlos and the witches told us that. While men can't store it at all.

And I have Cholita around, so I know this better than any of us. She saves up TONS of dark energy, and if she decides to interact with me when I get home, I get to see clearly that she lent me some.

Last night she even offered me dinner when I got home. So later on when I was practicing, it was so amazing that I can't even recall most of it. It went on so long that my back got tired from sitting up on the bed to watch the amazing show.

Eyes open of course! We never do the delusional closed eye meditation "vision" pretense. Or that awful "astral travel" deception. Ours is so real, you can go interact with it using your hands and body if you can manage not to have your internal dialogue return and make it all vanish. You can even leap into one of those swirling puffs. In your physical body, landing in another world!

The dark energy's most specific usage, as explained by Carlos who used the blue scout as a prop in private classes to show the location where this happens, is "the whorl". Notice the dark energy swirling with the purple puff (magenta here only because of my lack of animation skills).

The jet blackness of energy from the inorganic beings, swirls with a puff of your energy body, and at the "disturbed boundary" Silent Knowledge can manifest.

I get to look at stuff like this, or even better, nightly. So it's not some ancient Chinese "advanced technique" only a "sage" can do.

Remember: if it isn't real, it's time to go find another system! And if you believe you have the right one, then you aren't working hard enough yet.

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u/NumerousExtension916 1 points 2025-12-26 02:30

“Don’t trust Minx"? And what about Humito?”

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u/danl999 2 points 2025-12-26 12:19

Little Smoke can be trusted at all times, even when she's pretending to be a demon biting your head off.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2025-12-25 17:25

There are other possible motivations., such as literally not being able to forget how oppressive the internal dialogue is...and needing the opposite of that.

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u/danl999 3 points 2025-12-25 18:06

Yep, that counts as #4: Can't stand the ordinary reality anymore and have no choice but to try to find a way out of the river of shit.

I suppose I have too much fun designing things like talking teddy bears, so that my autistic urges keep me from noticing that #4 motivation.

Instead, I try to make my teddy bear sentient. The more people insist that's not possible, the more ideas I get.

Knowing, it might easily trigger Skynet.

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