Hello I'm kinda new, I've been asking people for guides here, someone suggested me to start by Magical Passes and dark room practice, so I got myself a black out mask.
After doing some magical passes according to this video, and tried to use silent stones to try to stop my internal dialog, no matter what there's some whispering noise trying to explain everything that happens or district me with slightest noise or itchy spots...
After laying down on my back, while keeping rocks between my fingers, after listening to a hell lods of internal dialog, I managed to keep it quiet for very little time, and when I manage to do so and focus on darness, first there are some Wave like picture below around the corner of my eyes then growing to cover most of the view, until I get distracted few seconds after, but if I dont and the more difficult one that I got to see is the swirling vortex of green or yellow light spinning, I couldn't only keep it for few seconds before districting.
What does this count, is this a puff or something unrelated?
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I have been seeing this for a couple of years..like something is spinning right in front of me. But nothing more than that shows so I dont know what it is.
wierd, I managed to see this 2 days in a row, first one which did it right after recapitulation magical poses, it was more bright then the second time I saw it, which was aroud 17 hours after the magic poses
Could be your energy body coming off the walls of your luminous egg.
It hides as far away from the middle as it can, where our daily life's energy ("tonal") has taken up residence in our internal organs.
It's that nasty internal dialogue, which drives it away.
It gives the dreaming body nightmares.
So it's fled far away from what you consider "you", but just as we're anxious to have it come back, it's anxious to join up.
We need each other. The energy body has no common sense, and gets lost in silly details of reality. Without a "purpose" there's almost no point in being alive.
Our tonal awareness is filled to the brink with purposes, and most of them aren't very good. Trying to "save face" doesn't just apply to Asians. We all have it.
But it seems to apply especially strongly to Russians... Putin's "face saving" has lead to the death of perhaps 1.5 million.
Thus for very good reasons, our energy body doesn't want anything to do with that ugly Tonal "self". Which is an illusion generated by the flow of the internal dialogue, forcing reality into a very narrow range.
The goal of darkroom is in fact to get your energy body to come off the walls, and form into a solid bubble around your torso. It's at finger's furthest reach on the front side. You can even make a dent in it by wiggling your fingers.
Everything strange you read in this comment, is something you actually get to see with your own eyes. So never think any of this comes from some sacred jade scroll, and you're just supposed to "believe".
Not so.
Our burden is not to believe, but to work hard enough to remove that internal dialogue. To GET RID OF the "believer".
That has to go...
Carlos described the puffs as being "violet". But there's no rule saying that's the color you'll perceive.
In fact, once you make friends with your energy body, it collects into the "puffs" that tensegrity manipulates and you can use them as if they were probes from your own energy body.
You can also request them to change to a new color, and if you are absolutely silent they instantly do.
Last night I was holding one and trying to leap into it, as a method of entering the dream world directly from awake (while standing up!).
But that seems to take an Ally. Last time I could do that, I had my untamed childhood "monster under the bed" hanging out with me.
Not to worry.
If it takes an Ally to leap into a puff and look around, it's not a big deal. Later in silent knowledge you can "flow" into them. Back and forth, or even in both places at the same time.
And in Silent Knowledge, you also realize why don Juan called the second attention a "quagmire".
Because the sights are endless, and there's nothing to gain by trying to figure out what they are.
There's millions...
I suppose you could categorize them, but the truth about sorcery is, there's nothing to learn.
Except, how to move the assemblage point.
Each new position you stabilize creates an entirely new reality where you know how to live in that one. You already know the "doings" of that reality.
Of course, we believe that you "learn" magic, but that's only the fake kind. In those systems, you're learning what to say about it, so as to agree with the general pretending of the group.
Not so with sorcery.
I appreciate all the details in this comment. If the goal is to have your energy body to form around your tonal “self”, does that mean once it’s joined, it’s permanent? Or is it a spectrum where with more practice, the energy body joins you for longer and longer?
It stays formed while your internal dialogue is gone, and returns when your internal dialogue makes you return to being impossible to get along with.
Within the same practice session!!!!
That's yet another reason why I say the idea of "enlightenment" is obscene to sorcerers.
By the way, the energy body is DAZZLINGLY VISIBLE!!!!!
Sometimes...
Just don't get the impression you can't see it, but that you just "know" it's there. Maybe because you took the #3 facilitator course from Reni and she told you that would form your energy body.
That's pretending. The real thing is very obvious, and even an absolute miracle on a good day!
But oddly, you don't care. So you never get to do the snoopy happy dance. When it's magnificent, you take it for granted.
Because your "self" is gone...
Why or how long your energy body remains is up to you. Can you keep your internal dialogue off?
(nope)
But over time, you can shut it off in far less time.
6 seconds for Carlos, 30 seconds for Taisha and Florinda.
While it's off, your energy body comes help you.
When it's raging away, the energy body flees.
It's as if you're a crazy bag lady on the street, and someone walking by might come up and hand you some money.
But not if you're obviously angry and shouting at people who aren't there.
Thanks for the response!
that's makes sense, If someone reply my thoughts back to me while I was raging, I would flee too ☠️
Last night I foundthis swirling puff again, but after few seconds it vanished, I kept staring trying to find that puff again, I thought I found it, a green puff appeared but instead of swirling, it was going up and down? Or maybe my eye was going up and down and it was following? Then I noticed there was creepy wide smike there with two black dots in place of eyes. I got scared after noticed thease and im my internal dialog I said, what's with this smile? Then it vanished, after that I lost focus, tried to silence my internal dialog, but it was useless, I got tiered and went to sleep. But I don't think it was an IOB, it was green, so far I only saw lime green, ony once a flash of purple which when I closed my eyes when I just woke up.
That creepy smile was more like this 🙃
Most likely an IOB.
Make sure you're doing your tensegrity too, so that your energy body could also be a possibility.
Since you aren't seeing the classical colors, we're stuck guessing what you're perceiving.
Naturally everyone sees all sorts of stuff no one can explain, further along in Silent Knowledge. You can't even make rules about what might come to visit you.
And people, women especially, can skip around. They aren't always confined to the green zone at first.
But still, just in case, the tensegrity appeals to the energy body, and less so to the inorganic beings because it keeps you occupied, instead of focused on them.
Ooh thnx for respond! Do I have to specific pass group I need to do resolve the green color problem? I did few magical poses few hours before laying down and put on my black out mask, 2 time affection for the energy body and Releases & intent series 2nd group but not right before black room practice. and if it was an IOB, do I have to do something about them? Because I freaked out wen I saw it, maybe it'll come again to have more of my fright. ☠️
Zuleica's pass is a good one for getting the puffs to form.
And any which scoop the puffs or "form" them.
No, you don't have to do anything about the inorganic beings.
Just say hello and welcome them, and leave it at that.
Thank you! will do
Here's Stellar Hatch. It's filled with old seer magic.
And really does things like this cartoon shows.
https://archive.org/details/dream-entry-no-text
But it also lets you stretch into an infinite line, and interact with dead stars.
Or turn into a tree.
That's "Minx" as the squirrel, who you might get to meet one day.
But he seems to belong to Cholita most of the time.
wow awesome, last night after doing "center of decision pass" , I got way too excited!, too much to make my internal dialog almost unstoppable, I think I shouldn't have done that pass right before dark room. that pass was truly awesome but for morning 😂
Usually the passes are done DURING darkroom. So that eventually, you get to visually see energy flow when doing them.
And it's not some vague "Chi Gung" energy flow you imagine.
It's more like "Dr. Strange" energy flow, when you can get silent.
In fact, it often beats Dr. Strange for special effects.
holy moly, I'm afraid to hit or break something in the darkness regardless of that, I've never tried performing a pass in dark room. I'll do it
Stand by a bed to keep your balance.
So I tried to do a pass with a black out mask now almost tempted to sleep, been working till 4 am with excuse of still haven't memorized and pass to do it without watching a video, but no there was one, I did Zuleica's pass few times already and its simple enough to be memorized, I left the the lamp on to feel abit more secure, the mask blocks all the light anyway. Then stick one of my legs to the bed,
While doing the pass my internal dialog activated, " its no use, you cant see anything, just go to sleep already" NO! DONT LISTEN TO THIS, THIS IS THE VOICE OF YOUR ENEMY" But I'm so tired... " HEEHEE... Your not going to sleep till you see something, even if it takes till morning, f.. fine... Do it as if you're life depends on it! Because it is!
So I relaxed and kept doing the pass, till I saw some lil gliter of green and pink and very vague dark things around my vision, I noticed a white spike like thing in the right corner of my eyes, I could rotate my eyeballs to look at it but not with rotating my head
It was very blure, I thought maybe some light leaked out of corner of my mask, so I ignore it and kept doing the pass tried to grab the dark things around my vision with no secsess, then light spike came back, much brighter and bigger but this time in BOTH CORNER OF MY VISION right one was brighter. I got scared when both spear, if there was a light leaked like this I surely could notice it from the start.
Tried to look at it with my eyes but it was very difficult, it was in corner of my vision, there was patterns inside it or faces I tried to turn my head to right to see if I could see it beter but instead of the right spike comes to the middle, left one came in middle of my vision, I was like THATS NOT HOW IT SUPPOSED TO MOVE. I freaked out so much that my hands were shaking, then I tried to say hi to them, He... hello? Lets ... Be ..friends?! 🥲 If you want energy, I'm shivering...
I turned left and right one came in middle, much brighter, its shape were changing as I moved my head around, I could ger them down, they were stuck on top of my vision,
And on top of all of these, my cat started pawing on my rooms door, he doesn't like closed door. he stayed in my room for awhile purring like crazy.
Just remember, there's no progress without deeper silence.
And also, silence isn't what moves the assemblage point, allowing you to see bizarre things.
It's the bizarre things that move it!
Silence just allows it.
So at first, if there's some "fake amazing magic", that's perfectly fine as long as you aren't sure it's fake.
We don't want to pretend, EVER. But it's ok to make a mistake, because mistakes can lead to the real thing.
Those will move your assemblage point just as easily as real second attention sights, as long as you're silent.
The classic example is the story of the red rag blowing on a stick in the mountains, and Carlos didn't know what it was from a distance, so he got frightened into thinking it was a wounded animal.
So it began to turn into one!
Our reality is NOT fixed.
It can mutate, if something causes your awareness to focus in a different direction.
I suppose I spent the last 6 years "making sure what I saw was real", by looking for light leaks in the room and such.
But only lately the words of Zuleica made me realize, perfect darkness isn't as good for a beginner as you'd think.
She said that herself, and she's the "Grandmother of darkroom".
With "Fairy" being the mother.
what I learned after, the only way to continue this, is to abandon the perception of everyday life, which hold you down like chain, and doesn't allow anything new to come in.
I shouldn't have expected the law of physics to work behind the mask, and I shouldn't have expected anything to happen at all, instead I should abandon the rules of everyday life when practicing something that isn't part of it at all.
I suppose I should emphasize that the only "reliable" magical sight during darkroom, are the puffs.
Those come from your dreamer. Your energy body.
the other stuff comes from too many possible sources, to know what to do with it.
The energy body automatically starts to show up as puffs, once your internal dialogue is reduced enough, and if you are doing Tensegrity to lure it out.
It's being engaged in activity that helps your "not good enough" level of silence, be enough to get the double to move closer to your physical body.
You still "stink", but if it's not quite as bad, and you're doing "magical movements", it'll be too curious to resist.
Of course, Carlos got so desperate at the end, that he even had woman doing "Naked Tensegrity" in a group, hoping that would lure their double to come see if their physical version was in danger.
I've never tried to grab the only tiny green puffs I see till tonight, it seems to follow my eyes, I red somewhere it's okay to try to fake grabing it? I tried to apologie to my energy body for being so terrible to myself.
I also have a question, do cats able to see energy body or puffs? I wonder if you can take your companion cat with you when dreaming? my cat acted so wierd, when I tried to do magical passes for womb, he got wiered and jumed and sat infront of my tablet where I was watching from, trying to imitate movements.
Check out r/greebles
"You know when cats see something that's not there? That's a greeble. They're like invisible gremlins that like messing with cats."
he always gose to the corner of the bathroom and stars at the ceiling sometimes enen tries to jump at whatever he sees meao loadly there ☠️
Yes, that's inu the post on "directionality". Here's a picture explaining it.
But essentially, it's not you8r physical eyes that see magic. It's the double (the dreamer).
So when you turn your physical head, yoru dreamer turns his, and what he's looking at, follows your head.
Later, he won't. So stuff will largely stay put in space. But it's rarely the same physical space.
>I also have a question, do cats able to see energy body or puffs?
They do seem to be able to do that.
Cholita has 4 cats bewitched. I've seen as many as 3 at a time in our yard.
But the problem with taking them along is, an inorganic being will be happy to take the shape of your cat.
So you'll never really know what went along with you, and you can't just ask the cat.
Cholita shapeshifts into a diffuse calico cat, around 3 feet tall.
I suspect the cats she's managed to lure to become her assistants, have seen that.
oooh so that's why puffs follows the eye , About Ms Chilita, I can't decide to be amazed or to be scared.
Scared is the best strategy.
But it could be like "the little sisters" when they attacked Carlos, or even Pablito and his 3rd arm.
Could they do that to a non-sorcerer?
Cholita can literally lift me into the air a foot or two, with one finger.
But could she do that to anyone, even a non-sorcerer?
We don't know.
Could La Gorda have taken anyone flying, just by having them hold her skirt, the way she did for Carlos?
As you may recall, when they came back down to earth, Carlos had a double memory of landing, but also of falling over onto the ground.
So one theory is that you "shrink the tonal" and switch to your double, so that any magic is actually taking place in shared waking dreaming.
But at the time, it just seems to be fully real.
Maybe we'll get some witches who learn to do that too, and are willing to answer questions about it.
Cholita won't admit it even happened, if more than 1 hour passes.
But does, if you ask right away. She just won't explain it. Instead, she either does it again, or threatens to if it was a bit unpleasant.
I had better vision of the swirling light, now background isn't pitch black anymore, swirling puff has 2 parts, one is bright green or yellow other part is pitch black, And they swirling together, about ackground color couldn't really tell, very dark green or pink or purple..
But swirling puff is there even when I close my eyes behind the black out mask.
Carlos said that at the boundary of the black and the color, is where Silent Knowledge can launch, as text.
wow interesting 👀 but I still can't see very bright puffs or play with them yet
or even the very fade ones to stop following my eyes, I can only pretend by placing them on my hand with my eyes
Don’t consider it pretending, you did exactly what you need to do and eventually it changes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/x394xi/directionality_vs_nondirectionality_and_how_to/?share_id=2F3lk_dAb4T_Beg2UmEzu&utm_content=2&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
I suppose in your case we don't yet know if what you are seeing, is a "puff" of your energy body.
Eventually we'll find out if you keep working hard.
There's nothing vague, about your energy body! At least, not all the time.