No — it isnotarchaeologically verified in the strict sense.
It is unprovenanced, almost certainly looted, and later stylistically attributed to the Olmec tradition after entering the art market.
That is the reality.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
3 points2026-01-10 19:33
looted
Although it has suffered considerable damage, this jewel of Olmec lapidary art is among the most outstanding examples of portable Olmec sculpture. In fact, the bold percussion that separated the bust from the body lends a striking and dramatic air to the piece. The exquisite face remarkably received no damage from what appears to have been intentional and controlled mutilation, recalling the massive flake scars on San Lorenzo Monument 20 and other major Olmec sculptures (see Coe and Diehl 1980:1:330). The curving indentations at both shoulders suggest “bulbs of percussion” from where the bust was fractured from the body. However, according to lithic experts John E. Clark and Gene L. Titmus (personal communication, 1997) these indentations are secondary and occurred after the bust was removed from the body. Clark and Titmus note that the statuette appears to have been first broken across the trunk; from this initial platform, two blows were struck up the body to remove the sides of the torso, shoulders, and arms. A final major blow was made again across the torso, creating a relatively flat base for the bust.
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u/danl999
4 points2026-01-11 13:39
I didn't mean the stuff they looted was a fake, but that they lie about where it came from, because you get more money, if it's "Olmec".
Maybe the person who sold it to the museum, doesn't even know where it came from.
Maybe a little girl found it in the dirt, a local curio shop on the street on sundays sold it for her, a man bought it, and realize he could misrepresent it as "Olmec".
Which absolutely happened all the time.
It's so bad, those Museums should be ashamed of themselves for stating so categorically t's Olmec, when they have absolutely no idea where it came from.
The text you sited is just museum hype, trying to justify claiming it's Olmec for sure.
In fact, to me, it looks rather odd for Olmec art.
Looks more modern.
And I've been looking at all Olmec art for weeks now.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
5 points2026-01-10 18:20
This is pretty close to the seated warrior pose that u/danl999 has adopted as of late:
Seated figure in ritual pose Mexico, Puebla San Martin Texmelucan Highland. Olmec culture, Middle Formative Period 900-500 BCE. Serpentine and cinnabar photographed at the Dallas Museum of Art in Dallas, Texas.
If you have your eyes open and remain fully awake, the Yogi's "attention seeking full lotus" is intolerable.
I'm convinced it's only designed to fake spirituality.
Even in Asian countries where you visit their home and there's no chairs at all, no one sits on the floor like that, without others realizing they're trying to attract attention as a "buddha man".
It's just not a good position to sit in for hours, gazing at real magic with your eyes open.
If you're meditating, and thus on green zone bliss painkillers, or have fallen asleep and no one realizes it because you don't fall over, then I suppose it saves space on the mats.
Thank goodness for AIs that know everything!
Here's my latest favorite, "Gemini", who is very down to earth on such matters. ChatGPT would probably be afraid of hurting Yogananda follower's feelings.
About lotus position it said:
Your skepticism is grounded in anatomical reality. While the Full Lotus (Padmasana) has legitimate mechanical benefits for specific bodies, for a large portion of the population—especially those who didn't grow up sitting on the floor—it can be a "fast track" to a knee surgeon's office.
You are correct: it’s often used as visual shorthand for "spiritual mastery," but as a daily sitting position for the average adult, it is high-risk and often unnecessary.
Also, can a Jaguar even sit that way???
So you shapeshift and your hip breaks?
Something Yogis and Buddhists don't have to worry about, because they're incapable of that level of real magic.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
2 points2026-01-11 09:38
From the private subreddit:
u/danl999 - Clearly it wasn't a dangerous entity, since I was feeling pleased with myself for comfortably sitting in the recommended "warrior" sitting position from one of the early books.
I've debated a while whether Yogi sitting poses are actually better, or just some Yogi/Buddha attention seeking mechanism.
Because over long periods of time, since in SK it's very profitable to just sit and gaze looking for sparkles (energy), your legs easily fall asleep if you sit cross legged and eventually your hips begin to ache.
But here I was quite comfortable with my legs in "warrior position" for sitting around a campfire, ready to leap up at any moment propelled by the back leg. It actually seemed to be a superior position, relative to sitting Yogi style.
We dialed it in a bit, using the leg positions from two of the illustrations in this reference page (the circled ones):
…the leg is stretched out more. Not flat, but still slightly bent, so that it's resting with the knee down to keep it from being an effort.
It could be, that how you sit for SK gazing, is somewhat influential. I'll have to start paying attention to that.
The magical passes themselves might make that obvious, when you do them while "seeing", and notice what exactly they do in terms of energy flow.
The recapitulation series is especially good for showing that.
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u/danl999
3 points2026-01-11 14:20
The problem here is of course, people will copy positions hoping they can get out of doing what they actually need to do.
But it might actually turn out eventually, that there are indeed "energy centers" on the ankle area, and the closer you can get those to your body center, the easier SK flows.
We just don't have enough people to experiment and figure that out.
Also, ideally you can put your foot, right through the bed...
That indicates you "shrunk the tonal" while receiving SK flows.
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u/outofindustry
1 points2026-01-11 07:39
that'd be "man sipping coffee and eating fried banana in the morning" pose where I live
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u/BBz13z
1 points2026-01-10 18:21
Remeber in FFW or maybe it was POI, DJM/DGF show CC the old buried Seers. That’s what seeing the buried Olmec heads reminds me of.
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u/Ok-Glass70
2 points2026-01-11 22:09
That’s what they remind me of as well.
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u/BBz13z
2 points2026-01-11 22:32
It’s interesting, eh?
Remember the power stone Gorda found at Tulum(?) or other pyramid, and where its power came from.
I try not to, but can’t help hypothesizing they poured their awareness into the heads before they were buried and the rest of the civilization was slaughtered and/or walked off into the third attention.
Carlos leaves us so many little tidbits…..lol
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u/Ok-Glass70
2 points2026-01-11 23:20
One of those heads the one at the top of this page, especially appear to have been purposefully buried.
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u/BBz13z
2 points2026-01-11 23:29
Awhile back Dan posted a video on Olmec antiquities and from that video I’ve been under the impression that all stone work was buried.
The lineage also buried CC and the apprentices.
It’s all so fascinating, and possibly connected to the lineages practices.
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u/TheBig_W
1 points2026-01-12 05:44
Which book was this in?
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u/BBz13z
1 points2026-01-12 05:52
I can’t remeber it’s either Fire or Silence. Burying of seers also comes up in Journey to Ixtlan and CC gets buried for a little bit near or where old seers buried themselves….
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
4 points2026-01-10 18:21
Seated figure Earthenware Olmec Culture 1200-900 BCE Mexico photographed at the Portland Art Museum in Portland, Oregon.
There’s actually a way to “quickly” get up from even this more standard sitting position:
It’s sometimes used to test how you’re aging by physiotherapists:
Sitting-Rising Test - YouTube
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u/isthisasobot
1 points2026-01-11 13:28
I'm glad I can score a 10 on that one but I thank that ability to DJ's sitting position. I think from a cross legged position it would be more likely to sprain your ankle due to the twisting on both sides, plus you'd be more likely to lull out.
From the first book-
P88 " Sit with ( my) left leg tucked under my seatand my right one bent, with the knee in an upward position. My right arm had to be by my side with my fist resting on the ground, while my left arm was crossed over my chest. He told me to face him and stay there, relaxed but not " abandoned".
P104. " Don Juan gave me detailed instructions on how to stay merged with the chaparal and taught me a way to sit " in vigil", as he called it. He told me to tuck my right leg under my left thigh and keep my left leg in a squat position. He explained that the tucked leg was used as a spring in order to stand up with great speed, if it were necessary".
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u/danl999
11 points2026-01-10 18:24
Unfortunately, "Olmec" became the marketing term for looted artifacts being sold to museums, who didn't care that no one knew where they came from at all,. and was happy to label them Olmec.
As a result. there's books out there of "Olmec Art" which isn't actually demonstrably Olmec.
I've been going through ever single "Olmec" artifact and eliminating those which have no "provence" and look really fishy relative to the ones known to have been dug up in a layer of undisturbed Olmec soil.
There's 104 images, some containing dozens.
But most of the Olmec art comes from small pottery shards that aren't impressive enough to show in a museum.
Why care?
Actually, anything that's authentic can be used to remote view the place of origin.
The skill level required is so high, no one should expect to be doing that on purpose.
Rather we have a "virtual teacher" in the emanations, based on the pull of sorcerers learning in the past.
It seems to cause "intent gifts" along a path similar to the demonstrations the lineages planned for their students in the past.
It's why Carlos told us what to do after he was gone.
What he instructed us to find, is precisely what will give you the necessary experiences along the way.
But forget about repeating them.
That would be like expecting your wealthy uncle to give you the exact same gift each birthday or Christmas.
When you can't talk to him at all.
You're going to get a different gift each time, and that's because he likes it better that way.
Meanwhile, you're wanting to brag to your friends about what's in store for you next birthday.
But you don't get to.
If a magical system has guaranteed gifts, it's a total fraud.
I suppose you could convince the Allies to help you do the same thing each night, but I doubt anyone we'll see pass through here would have the talent to get them to do even that small thing.
Repeat for you.
They're trying to lure you to something you can't figure out, and doing the same thing each night isn't helpful to their goal.
Three times is the most I've seen them help you repeat super cool magic, such as swiping away the ceiling, and leaping to a planet outside our galaxy.
Fully awake, eyes open, completely sober.
They might help you shapeshift each night, if you tend to take them along when you go outside.
They remember that from the past.
In fact, for all we know, this figurine shows an old seer, riding on the back of our
Ally Minx.
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It’s rare to see images of them still in the ground. One more:
This is pretty close to a sitting pose that u/danl999 has adopted lately:
And to address the one-jerk assumption that the Olmec were a lost African tribe:
And without a rubber “helmet.”
Is this one verified to be Olmec?
https://www.doaks.org/resources/olmec-art/catalogue/16-fragmentary-figure
So no...
ChatGPT:
The honest answer
No — it is not archaeologically verified in the strict sense.
It is unprovenanced, almost certainly looted, and later stylistically attributed to the Olmec tradition after entering the art market.
That is the reality.
I didn't mean the stuff they looted was a fake, but that they lie about where it came from, because you get more money, if it's "Olmec".
Maybe the person who sold it to the museum, doesn't even know where it came from.
Maybe a little girl found it in the dirt, a local curio shop on the street on sundays sold it for her, a man bought it, and realize he could misrepresent it as "Olmec".
Which absolutely happened all the time.
It's so bad, those Museums should be ashamed of themselves for stating so categorically t's Olmec, when they have absolutely no idea where it came from.
The text you sited is just museum hype, trying to justify claiming it's Olmec for sure.
In fact, to me, it looks rather odd for Olmec art.
Looks more modern.
And I've been looking at all Olmec art for weeks now.
This is pretty close to the seated warrior pose that u/danl999 has adopted as of late:
Seated figure in ritual pose Mexico, Puebla San Martin Texmelucan Highland. Olmec culture, Middle Formative Period 900-500 BCE. Serpentine and cinnabar photographed at the Dallas Museum of Art in Dallas, Texas.
source
If you have your eyes open and remain fully awake, the Yogi's "attention seeking full lotus" is intolerable.
I'm convinced it's only designed to fake spirituality.
Even in Asian countries where you visit their home and there's no chairs at all, no one sits on the floor like that, without others realizing they're trying to attract attention as a "buddha man".
It's just not a good position to sit in for hours, gazing at real magic with your eyes open.
If you're meditating, and thus on green zone bliss painkillers, or have fallen asleep and no one realizes it because you don't fall over, then I suppose it saves space on the mats.
Thank goodness for AIs that know everything!
Here's my latest favorite, "Gemini", who is very down to earth on such matters. ChatGPT would probably be afraid of hurting Yogananda follower's feelings.
About lotus position it said:
Your skepticism is grounded in anatomical reality. While the Full Lotus (Padmasana) has legitimate mechanical benefits for specific bodies, for a large portion of the population—especially those who didn't grow up sitting on the floor—it can be a "fast track" to a knee surgeon's office.
You are correct: it’s often used as visual shorthand for "spiritual mastery," but as a daily sitting position for the average adult, it is high-risk and often unnecessary.
Also, can a Jaguar even sit that way???
So you shapeshift and your hip breaks?
Something Yogis and Buddhists don't have to worry about, because they're incapable of that level of real magic.
From the private subreddit:
We dialed it in a bit, using the leg positions from two of the illustrations in this reference page (the circled ones):
The problem here is of course, people will copy positions hoping they can get out of doing what they actually need to do.
But it might actually turn out eventually, that there are indeed "energy centers" on the ankle area, and the closer you can get those to your body center, the easier SK flows.
We just don't have enough people to experiment and figure that out.
Also, ideally you can put your foot, right through the bed...
That indicates you "shrunk the tonal" while receiving SK flows.
that'd be "man sipping coffee and eating fried banana in the morning" pose where I live
Remeber in FFW or maybe it was POI, DJM/DGF show CC the old buried Seers. That’s what seeing the buried Olmec heads reminds me of.
That’s what they remind me of as well.
It’s interesting, eh?
Remember the power stone Gorda found at Tulum(?) or other pyramid, and where its power came from.
I try not to, but can’t help hypothesizing they poured their awareness into the heads before they were buried and the rest of the civilization was slaughtered and/or walked off into the third attention.
Carlos leaves us so many little tidbits…..lol
One of those heads the one at the top of this page, especially appear to have been purposefully buried.
Awhile back Dan posted a video on Olmec antiquities and from that video I’ve been under the impression that all stone work was buried.
The lineage also buried CC and the apprentices.
It’s all so fascinating, and possibly connected to the lineages practices.
Which book was this in?
I can’t remeber it’s either Fire or Silence. Burying of seers also comes up in Journey to Ixtlan and CC gets buried for a little bit near or where old seers buried themselves….
Seated figure Earthenware Olmec Culture 1200-900 BCE Mexico photographed at the Portland Art Museum in Portland, Oregon.
source
There’s actually a way to “quickly” get up from even this more standard sitting position:
It’s sometimes used to test how you’re aging by physiotherapists:
Sitting-Rising Test - YouTube
I'm glad I can score a 10 on that one but I thank that ability to DJ's sitting position. I think from a cross legged position it would be more likely to sprain your ankle due to the twisting on both sides, plus you'd be more likely to lull out.
From the first book-
P88 " Sit with ( my) left leg tucked under my seatand my right one bent, with the knee in an upward position. My right arm had to be by my side with my fist resting on the ground, while my left arm was crossed over my chest. He told me to face him and stay there, relaxed but not " abandoned".
P104. " Don Juan gave me detailed instructions on how to stay merged with the chaparal and taught me a way to sit " in vigil", as he called it. He told me to tuck my right leg under my left thigh and keep my left leg in a squat position. He explained that the tucked leg was used as a spring in order to stand up with great speed, if it were necessary".
Unfortunately, "Olmec" became the marketing term for looted artifacts being sold to museums, who didn't care that no one knew where they came from at all,. and was happy to label them Olmec.
As a result. there's books out there of "Olmec Art" which isn't actually demonstrably Olmec.
I've been going through ever single "Olmec" artifact and eliminating those which have no "provence" and look really fishy relative to the ones known to have been dug up in a layer of undisturbed Olmec soil.
There's 104 images, some containing dozens.
But most of the Olmec art comes from small pottery shards that aren't impressive enough to show in a museum.
Why care?
Actually, anything that's authentic can be used to remote view the place of origin.
The skill level required is so high, no one should expect to be doing that on purpose.
Rather we have a "virtual teacher" in the emanations, based on the pull of sorcerers learning in the past.
It seems to cause "intent gifts" along a path similar to the demonstrations the lineages planned for their students in the past.
It's why Carlos told us what to do after he was gone.
What he instructed us to find, is precisely what will give you the necessary experiences along the way.
But forget about repeating them.
That would be like expecting your wealthy uncle to give you the exact same gift each birthday or Christmas.
When you can't talk to him at all.
You're going to get a different gift each time, and that's because he likes it better that way.
Meanwhile, you're wanting to brag to your friends about what's in store for you next birthday.
But you don't get to.
If a magical system has guaranteed gifts, it's a total fraud.
I suppose you could convince the Allies to help you do the same thing each night, but I doubt anyone we'll see pass through here would have the talent to get them to do even that small thing.
Repeat for you.
They're trying to lure you to something you can't figure out, and doing the same thing each night isn't helpful to their goal.
Three times is the most I've seen them help you repeat super cool magic, such as swiping away the ceiling, and leaping to a planet outside our galaxy.
Fully awake, eyes open, completely sober.
They might help you shapeshift each night, if you tend to take them along when you go outside.
They remember that from the past.
In fact, for all we know, this figurine shows an old seer, riding on the back of our
Ally Minx.
No way to tell.
(picture in reply)