I've already read the books, and I found this image on Pinterest, it seems that the artist was inspired by both Don Juan and Genaro, I thought it was one of the images that to this day brought me more the feeling of the book, I felt like sharing.
I've already read the books, and I found this image on Pinterest, it seems that the artist was inspired by both Don Juan and Genaro, I thought it was one of the images that to this day brought me more the feeling of the book, I felt like sharing.
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Someone please insert a meme where it says:
“Bro after reading the first three books”
Carlos deliberately "targeted" people's crummy "self".
Trying to appeal to attention seeking, belief that a system of "codes" is an admirable thing, and the sheer laziness of mankind.
The first 3 books appeal to the worst things in us!
Carlos told us to stop reading the books of that man, "Carlos Castaneda" in private classes.
So i did, which causes some problems with being able to remember things that can be useful, once the magic starts working.
Besides doing imitation of bad men in workshop crowds "correcting him" using their "vast knowledge" of his own books, saying he'd be trying to explain a difficult sorcery concept, and someone in the audience would raise their hand and say, "But on page 234 of Fire From Within it says..."
Carol Tiggs got tired of it too, and refused to answer any questions from the books, at the last workshop she attended.
By the way, over in the advanced subreddit is near perfect proof that Carol Tiggs has been around Carlos a long time.
Jeremy from private classes likes to imply she wasn't. But over there we have an interview with someone who knew Carlos in the 70s. and even met don Juan.
In spanish unfortunately...
So Carlos told us to stop reading his books because "I wrote those to hook you,. you're hooked, so stop reading them. You have me right in front of you!"
He also realized that his first 3 books really screwed everyone up,. and are largely responsible for no one at all, ever having made it work until Carlos started teaching at workshops.
That picture is a perfect example.
The artist will NEVER be able to learn even the tiniest bit of the real thing.
Here's the problem. To learn sorcery, you have to take the lonely and increasingly cold path on the right.
If what you’re saying is correct, then Carlos turned out to be a highly irresponsible individual. Namely, it’s completely fine to write an attractive story to hook up the asleep. However, once that has been accomplished, he should have come clean, just like Don admitted to Carlos that his initial persona was just a charade. He should have specified in which instances were his instructions wrong and to what extent. Also, he should have admitted what he was trying to achieve by lying at the time. In the end, he could have written a concise manual at the end, that only contains raw information needed to perform. In my opinion, he would have been obliged to tell us that something he stated/wrote was wrong on purpose. It is only logical that if he didn’t want us to know that there is a way to freedom, he shouldn’t have published anything at all…
You seem to have completely misread what I wrote.
I didn't say he was being deceptive in his first books. In fact, I suggested that he'd been manipulated by don Juan. and perhaps never even realized how bad the first 3 books were, for teaching people.
The first 3 books were largely a result of him approaching don Juan, and asking him to teach PRECISELY what he ended up learning.
But meanwhile, don Juan was doing the actual teaching, in another layer of reality.
Something we have to manage to get to, by ourselves using darkroom or other practices.
It could also be that the first 3 books were PERFECT, if only Carlos hadn't died too soon.
Because all he needed was to hook people, and time would fix their misunderstandings and horrible personalities.
We'll never know.
And he DID write concise manuals at the end.
One lost in a theater, so he took that as a sign not to try to put that back together again.
It's just that, sorcery can't be learned the way you visualize.
It's learned more like, in this "Silent Knowledge" publication, and his last 5 books.
It's just not a "linear path".
I can't even discuss what happened to me last night, because it would be completely misunderstood.
I was offered an "upgrade" by what might have been an old seer.
But the path of learning sorcery is like a series of 10,000 of such "impossible" incidents.
All you can do in a "how to" book is point the way and get people to understand in general, the sorts of crazy things that happen along the way as you learn to stop your internal dialogue.
I doubt sorcery could ever be learned by the kinds of methods that fake magical systems come up with, being procedurally based progressions.
Well, I am certain that you misunderstood my point. I was simply referring to a general basis of knowledge. Let’s say you are trying to learn some calculus before the exam. It goes without saying that the practice examples from the book that you have been given won’t be the same that teacher chooses to pick for the final exam. But if you can figure what is 3+6, you should be able to figure what is 369+136 as well. One important aspect is definitely the correct tonal maintenance, that is, consciously striving to be impeccable. It is clearly stated what qualities are required and what should be avoided at all cost. I just wish there was more of such clear and consistent guidance advice. I suspect that is precisely what was written in that “theater” notebook. Unfortunately it was lost, or maybe someone still has that notebook, but thinks it’s all just gibberish from a schizophrenic.
Constantly striving to be impeccable never worked for anyone.
Not once.
Mainly because there's no chance at all that a person who has never moved their assemblage point on a regular basis, has any way to understand what impeccability is.
It just turns into a pretending vehicle.
Essentially, as soon as you hear someone in the Castaneda community say that, you know for sure they haven't gotten anywhere yet.
Isn’t that a paradox? Carlos giving us false instructions on purpose? Or was he pretending as well?
He just passed on what don Juan told him, but that was from within the context of don Juan actually teaching him secretly, using the Nagual's blow on the side.
He likely thought that by repeating some of the "warrior's way" stuff, he'd hook us to the intent of the lineage.
But it didn't work. You can't hook people to the intent of something, if they're too lazy to follow instructions.
And I saw Carlos try out various ideas many times in private classes, only to finally conclude that wasn't working. So he came up with something else.
Such as the longer Tensegrity forms.
Is it possible you're back to the "Superman Effect" and trying to argue that Carlos has to be perfect, and so it's ok for you to continue pretending the first 3 books are going to work out for you?
I sure hope not...
Of course, if Cholita showed up in here and got into a discussion with me, that would be like 10 times worse.
Fortunately, the last time I got into an argument over sorcery with Cholita, she ended it by breaking the laws of physics. So I'd shut up in awe.
You're welcome to use the same technique to win any argument with me!