I went looking for Cholita in Mexico last night, and this post picture is the result.
Actually... First I went looking for one of Cholita's cats that can appear in visions. It only showed up the last few days, after Cholita had left.
It seems to be waiting for her to come home.
Here's a physical picture of it, but it's also capable of materializing in a vision. I have no idea why. But Cholita herself has shapeshifted into a cat, and materialized in front of me in my dark room.
Is it "true"?
Forget about true. In sorcery, "true" only applies to that moment, and the fact that you have absolutely no doubt about it. It's as don Juan said: "Seeing is a peculiar sense of knowing with a shadow of a doubt."
Is that what he said, exactly?
I don't recall.
But at any rate, he WARNED us.
Of course, due to our perpetual "Superman Effect" delusions we ignored that it's a "peculiar sense".
Don Juan didn't say it's always true.
In fact, the lineage seemed to screw up more often than they actually "saw" the truth.
So enjoy it for what it is, and not what greed makes you want it to be.
Who gets to see magic this amazing!!!??
No one but us. If anyone disagrees, then point to it on the web.
But you can't.
So visibly seeing astonishing sights that defy explanation ought to be enough. And whether you can "cash in" with it, should never enter your mind.
Or quite frankly, you'll never learn any of it.
Naturally I do all of my darkroom practice eyes wide open and sober. There's no "Yogi Visions" involved.
Last night I must have seen at least 10 sets of people sitting on benches at bus stops. Cholita decided to ride across half of Mexico by bus. I began to suspect, perhaps she's looking for her past.
That realization caused me to see my own past using gazing, and then when I went to do tensegrity I could see it from the point of view of "time" and muscle memory. Visually of course.
Never imagine, pretend or "visualize" your results or you'll get nowhere. You need real results, which only come from stopping the internal dialogue fully.
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Is that what he said exactly?
Tales of Power, The day of the Tonal
"What does it take to SEE a man as a tonal?"
" It entails to cease judging him in a moral sense, or excusing him on the grounds that he is like
a leaf at the mercy of the wind. In other words, it entails seeing a man without thinking that he is
hopeless or helpless.
"You know exactly what I am talking about. You can assess that young man without
condemning or forgiving him."
“He drinks too much," I said.
My statement was not volitional. I just made it without really knowing why. For an instant I
even felt that someone standing behind me had voiced the words, I was moved to explain that my
statement was another of my speculations.
"That was not the case," don Juan said. "Your tone of voice had a certainty that you lacked
before. You didn't say, 'Maybe he's a drunkard.'"
I felt embarrassed although I could not exactly determine why. Don Juan laughed.
"You saw through the man," he said. "That was seeing. Seeing is like that. Statements are
made with great certainty, and one doesn't know how it happened.
"You know that young man's tonal was shot, but you don't know how you know it."
That's a great quote, but not the one I was thinking about. That one is likely from one of the first 3 books.
From The Art of Dreaming. The Sorcerers of Antiquity:
" I can't explain to you why, but there is no way sorcerers can be mistaken about their seeing", don Juan said, in a tone that admitted no argument. " Now, the conclusions they may arrive at from their seeing might be wrong, but that would be because they are naive, uncultivated. In order to avoid this disaster, sorcerers have to cultivate theirminds, in whatever form they can".
So basically, you can't count on your seeing.
But that's your own fault...
I think I'll stick with believing it's only true at that assemblage point position.
And that all sorcery experiences should be welcomed just for what they are when they happen, and not for anything you wish they could do, or who you wish they might impress, later on.
We had some beginners, obviously looking for an excuse to give up since they weren't willing to put in the work, complain that if seeing isn't reliable, why would they want to pursue that?
What???
I don't get it.
No magic ----> real magic.
You have no magic. Never have.
But then you work hard, and now you kick the Buddha's butt and every Yogi, mystic, saint, or prophet who ever lived.
What else do you want??
But it's still not the quote I was trying to remember.
For beginners, I'll remind them that Silvio Manuel stuck Carlos, naked, in a wash tub filled with ice, made him stand here for hours in the dark, while Silvio "saw" him.
But then later they found out they were completely mistaken about Carlos, and La Gorda too.
They weren't the "types" they had seen.
And that resulted in the destruction of the lineage.
To our benefit however. The lineage's destruction is our gain.
Could it be that the lineage had to follow a blueprint, which the old sorcerers left behind...and that the destruction of the lineage could be sort of staged?
Definitely.
So could Silvio Manuel's "mistake" when seeing what type Carlos was.
Maybe a 3 pronged nagual showed up, and they new it was a chance to end the lineage, and went for it on purpose thinking spreading the knowledge was more important than preserving the lineage.
Besides, the lineage can never go away.
The reason "the rule" changes each generation to include new past naguals closer to the current one, is because they can "see" those stores using Silent Knowledge.
It really does work like that.
I'm hoping we can go back in time and recover all of the lost tensegrity passes!
There's perhaps 100 private classes to go back to, and you could keep a video camera on and do the pass the instant the class is over and it's fresh in your mind.
Dan, hay más pases mágicos que los de las clases privadas. Estan los de los ‘80 que enseñaba antes que existiese Cleargreen. Eran grupos muy pequeños y uno de los lugares era en la casita Amatlan en México.
Cada vez que iba a México enseñaba a algún grupo.
Por ejemplo hay unos 15 pases a actores integrantes de Tit (ahí estaba Soledad) También les enseñaba al grupo de Danza tradicional Citlalmina.
Quizás sean los mismos pases, quizás no. Hay que investigar por ahí también.
Any chance you can video tape them so others can learn, or has it been too long.
Did I mention Cholita instantly notice you, just looking at a post with me scrolling the screen?
She made me stop when your name scrolled by, and asked "Who is THAT???"
But wouldn't say why she did it when I asked her.
Aun no es posible hasta poder encontrar al menos un par de practicantes de los ‘80 en quienes se pueda confiar su memoria cinestesica y luego chequearlos y probarlos con Jade.
(Te enviaré foto de mi rostro a ver si Cholita te cuenta más 😉
La foto de perfil del trapecio es por un número del Cirque du Solei que le gustaba a Florinda y lo iba a ver a Las Vegas, quizás viajó con ella, quién sabe).
Do you think you can go back in time and keep your current memorys to not be trapped there? Is it possible to go back in time befor you were even born and intract with people who are dead already? aren't they part of the dark sea now? how can someone intract with a dead in the past if they're dead?? 🤔🤔 if possible then that's very interesting...
Time travel doesn't seem to allow you to alter the past.
As far as I know.
So maybe it's more like an interactive 3D movie?
Where you aren't limited to what you yourself saw back then.
You can walk away from your entry point, and look at anything you like.
And of course you can interact with dead people!
At the time it seems as if you actually ARE interreacting with what made them, them. But more likely is it's their awareness continuing on as trace vibrations in the emanation ranges they lived.
If you read the final books of Carlos carefully, you might have started to believe some of his interations with don Juan happened past don Juan leaving the world.
I've had that several times.
Carlos just showed up in my dark room one night, and led me down a long hallway. Wanting to show me something.
Not as a lame closed eye Yogi vision you plan to announce to your many followers, to motivate them to attend the next $1500 workshop and learn an "advanced technique".
I was wide awake, eyes open, and physically walked to follow Carlos, too far for the size of my room.
And I've seen Carlos hundreds of times, so I'm well qualified to say it was indeed him. Maybe 10 years younger than when I last saw him.
Keeping your current memories in such situations is a very complex topic.
And is part of how you know what type of magic is going on.
Too hard to explain, but in general, if you zip through your dark room into a video in the air that materialized, you'll land there confused for at least a few seconds.
You "passed through the viel". Meaning I suppose, you switched which body is active.
But if an actual passage materializes, such as that long hallway I followed Carlos down, there's no loss of memory or purpose.
It's as if you really did just walk down a hallway.
Or jump through a window that suddenly appeared in your room, showing an irresistible scene of a desert road.
The window was actually there, as part of the room. An "addition", but it totally fit with the layout.
But if it's a video flowing in the air, which has no context related to the room, then if you go into those, you tend to end up confused.
No continuity?
wow awesomee 👀✨
That's our goal of course. That kind of impossible situation.
Easier with an Ally, but absolutely doable without one,
Out in the purple zone.
Cholita didn't come home this time. She's still in Mexico.
So just from having a trace concern about her, I ended up traveling in SK, looking for her.
Visually!
But that's not as much fun as when an Ally opens a magical window for you.
Whether people can get to the purple zone without an Ally, we don't yet know.
Their dark energy is like a guide showing you the right trail to take.
Thanks for explaining! Can't wait to meet IOB really. I sometimes whisper "I really wana see you, if anyone there..., Help me out abit..."
The only thing that works to speed that up is learning to stop your internal dialogue.
Which fortunately isn't a digital thing. All serious efforts produce results of some kind even if they aren't successful.
It's not "on or off", the way an Asian meditation "Master" might claim.
Thank goodness! A real magical path has NO ACHIEVEMENTS and NO ATTAINMENTS.
It's like any other real world activity, such as learning to play the trumpet, learning to surf really well, or even just learning to hang out with your friends at night and shoot hoops.
Real world activities take a lot of practice and get a tiny bit better each day, as long as you practice seriously.
But if you slack off, you don't improve.
You never suddenly "master" basketball.
It's weird how people don't realize that, because it's so obvious.
If it's REAL, it's like other real things you try to learn.
OOOH! something just hit my mind, Can you travel to places that are only you could know of be reading about them in the books? like Don Juan's place?
Or places that doesn't exist at all but exists in the imagination of many people, like world where D&D takes place? Like how Don Juan could visit heaven?
Or places that's only sorcerers know about but, they're memory might be within the sea of awareness because of the recapitulation,
Or memory of dead people there?
Or can you shape shift into beings that doesn't exist at all but in imagination?
Sure! We get to time travel back to all Nagual's in our lineage.
It's just not likely anyone will achieve the skill needed to do that methodically.
I've already traveled back and seen Genaro and Silvio Manuel.
Except, the person I was "body snatching" didn't look up at their faces, because whoever it was knew who they were and was busy learning something.
So I essentially time traveled into one of the apprentices, and couldn't alter the flow of events.
And for shapeshifting, most likely isn't into something anyone would recognize.
This was my only "going outdoors" form. I interrupted my darkroom practice to go outside and see if Cholita had put her DMV registration sticker on her car.
She was going through a phase of ripping those off.
I didn't realize I'd transformed the way Carlos said a "right shift" changes you, until I got back inside the house and realized you can't look under a car for leftover registration sticker papers, by lifting up the car.
But I did!
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With shapeshifting, it likely takes skill to fool people into thinking you're really a dog, or a crow.
But we still don't know who can see you, if you shapeshift.
I've always been alone, even when I went outside in shapeshifted form.
And in that one case, I verified I did in fact go outside like that, by checking out the scene the next day to see if it was exactly as I'd seen it.
Cholita had scattered sharp little rocks in my path. Which hadn't been there before. So I went out the next day, and there they were.
In the books, it's common to go into the second attention in the real world and suddenly there's no one else around.
I suppose that's one reason that people who want to learn sorcery for the sake of showing off for others, will never get very far.
At some point you realize, that's not going to happen without a lot of management of the other person's level of awareness.
It's only among sorcerers that it's all automatic.
Such as Cholita showing up for me, 20 years younger than her normal age.
I once saw her double headed to the neighbor's house, while her "real" version was in the kitchen.
Like an idiot, I ran for my life.
I should have looked to see what happened when she got to the neighbors door and knocked on it.
There's zero reason I can think of, for Cholita to visit a neighbor.
She was likely showing off just for me.
ah, so showing off magic to other sorcerers is okay 😮
What about worlds that only exist in imagination of many people, can we actually visit them?
Sure!
I used to visit heaven just to get over a bad hangover.
It's truly lovely.
If millions of people have visualized it, it's out there as traces in the emanations and you can "assemble it".
Which gives me new hope!!!
If every world is created this way... even the one we're trapped in rn..
You are spinning the room you are in right now with your ring of power, along with everyone else's. We develop a second ring of power through sorcery.
"Try me, don Juan, please."
"Let's say that when every one of us is born we bring with us a little ring of power. That little ring is almost immediately put to use. So every one of us is already hooked from birth and our rings of power are joined to everyone else's. In other words, our rings of power are hooked to the doing of the world in order to make the world."
'"Give me an example so I could understand it," I said.
"For instance, our rings of power, yours and mine, are hooked right now to the doing in this room. We are making this room. Our rings of power are spinning this room into being at this very moment."
"Wait, wait," I said. "This room is here by itself. I am not creating it. I have nothing to do with it."
A decent visual, and narrated, depiction of this:
Inception 4K HDR | Dream World
Yea, but we attached half of our awareness to physical matter. And physical matter only exists at a specific position of the assemblage point.
Each position has its own range of physical matter in the emanations, but we're still largely stuck with the one we were born into, and you can't just ignore that.
I believe it says a nagual who looks in the mirror of the second attention can "almost" vanish.
But not fully.
That part we don't understand well, but my theory is that if you decide to switch realities and break your connection to this physical matter, and there's no corresponding interpretation of the same matter in an alternate reality, then the body dies and you lose your container.
So that essentially you die and begin to dissipate too far to be sentient anymore.
But from an experiential point of view, you can indeed walk off into another reality, in your physical body.
It's just "what's ultimately going on?" that's unknown to us.
Still...
How cool is it, to break the laws of physics by walking through a doorway that doesn't actually exist?
It might take an ally to pull that off. I don't know.
In Silent Knowledge, how that happens is very different.
No exaggeration here... I've done it more than a few times.
This is exciting, meybe here's a way to break the connection and establish another one to another place, meybe sorcerers who fled from this world to another found it?
The books do say that, but they didn't give us the details on why that was possible.
We have the techniques, just not the explanations.
Anyway, opening a doorway to another world just needs an Ally around when you practice.
And you get those, by reaching the green zone where you can visibly see the puffs.
Everyone already has an ally from their childhood. It's their scout, in their dreams, which sometimes also shows up in the real world as a "monster in the closet".
So no one needs to go without an Ally.
You just might get a "lame" one...
My childhood ally that I named "Fancy" was actually a bit evil.
Not nice at all, like "Fairy" (Little Smoke).
And when some "visions" apear while doing mundane things like text chatting with A.I or listening to music with eyes open, could those be imagination? In the darkroom I only saw a puff one time a green puff , normally I used to see objects or images but they here not colorful or vivid ,and now they stopped to be visible inside the darkroom, they are in front of me but not "visible", and now I started to see some videos that are "somewhere far away" ,but I don't know if those videos are imagination, ChatGPT says it's my imagination and Grok says it's not imagination.
I think you're still talking about visualizing things, however there are people who see stuff with their eyes closed, usually due to something in their biology or history.
I knew a woman who could do that, but she tried darkroom and couldn't get it working.
So it didn't do her any good that she could see things easily.
The reason she could do it was well known. Her mom was a bit crazy and when she was trouble as a child, even at 3 years old, they gave her LSD to calm her down.
So she could see stuff with her eyes closed, continuously.
That's likely rare, but it's a good example of how such things don't necessarily give you much of an advantage.
And ChatGPT has been taught that magic can't be real, so you just have to see it for yourself to understand that it's so VIVID that there's absolutely no doubt something magical is happening.
You won't have to ask if it's what I post about.
Also, it comes with a "buzz" that's impossible to describe.
The "self" is gone, and you have absolutely no worries which aren't based on something physical like illness, or worry because you can't pay the rent.
But even the illnesses and not being able to pay the rent this month, are less meaningful when faced with real, visible magic.
It sounds to me like your assemblage point is more flexible than normal, and so you are able to "intuit" something is there.
The way Yogis do in meditation.
But your assemblage point hasn't moved far enough to reach Silent Knowledge, where it's not only visible, but you are INSIDE the vision from time to time.
And move back and forth. In time even.
Here's the situation.
The average person is stuck up at the blue.
You might be moving down to the green.
But the visions I'm talking abou tare over in the purple region at the end.
And long before then you'll shapeshift, translocate (be in 2 places at once for a substantial portion of your practice), gain an Ally and learn from it, and then finally, after all of that, you'll reach the purple zone.
However, if you want to experiment try "sunlight glitter". It can make a huge difference.
I think my mind wanted me to believe that I was close to an advanced level even though I am a beginner, and the mind created some elaborated visions whit a shadow jester showing things, for me to believe I was making progress. I gonna continue the practice and try to not get distracted by my mind.
As long as you've realized that, you're ahead of the curve!
Remember: nothing matters but stopping the internal dialogue.
When you don't emphasize that above all else, you don't make any progress.
UNLESS....
You get an Ally who hangs out visibly, and teaches you.
Because they can move your assemblage point all the way to Silent Knowledge, without you having to stop your internal dialogue as much.
Once you stop it "somewhat" and make it to where they become visible, they'll move it all the rest of the way for you, and take credit for all the magic.
Which doesn't actually come from them. It comes from you, in that assemblage point position.
They've always done that! We learned to "see" by using power plants, and the Allies, until we figured out we could do what they do, on our own, and without the drugs.
My guess is that women figured it out, not men.
What about hearing, not seeing in a dream state. I had a vision while in a sleep state ,where I heard the same name (related to the books) , over and over . Is that like internal dialog?
If you actually heard it, it wasn't the internal dialogue.
In which case, it might be that you were in your dreaming copy (the double), or that an Ally followed you out of a dream and wanted to suck you back in using sound from the dream world, or it might even be "the knock of the spirit", trying to offer you a path to magical knowledge.
"The Spirit" likes to have as much of the dark sea of awareness explored, as possible.
And the realms that sorcery explores have had very few visit them, compared to how many have been hanging out in the normal reality range.
Here's an interesting aspect of this.
How do you "interpret" it?
If you lived on the mountains of Taipei, where there are still real witches left over from the 16 remaining Austronesian Islander magic systems (all relatively the same), an old grandmother witch might say that the "mountain spoke to you".
Or that it was "the ancestors".
I wish I could get closer to those witches, but that's a tall order. They don't sell anything, and don't teach outsiders.
Only family. So you have to marry in, to see the real stuff.
That there are various "confused" explanations for what you experienced, is why it's a very bad idea to pursue outside systems until you can move your assemblage point and are immune to "interpretations".
And you should consider any interpretation you come up with "on your own", to be polluted with fake magical system explanations.
No insult intended to the Tsou witches of Alishan.
Cholita has such outside interpretations of things, and she kicks my butt.
In fact, when I try to correct her understanding I annoy the hell out of her.
She doesn't care about the explanation.
It's just a reminder of the experience, and a "mood suggestion".
It's not what causes the magic.
It's like naming your cat "Donut".
That's just a reminder of something fun associated with that cat.
Do you think they’re only open to other austronesian-Taiwanese-aborigine-descendants or could Han-Taiwanese or other types of Taiwanese interact with them? Some kind of informant. Maybe introduce to them the technological-perspective of sorcery and learn about their methods?
Or maybe they’re “too-different” like the deer dancers?
We don't know.
I only just realized that's what I should have been looking all along.
But those people stayed u8p on thos mountains for 7000+ years, until they started populating other islands around the world.
And even then, the remaining that didn't leave stayed up there.
They don't write books, don't sell things, and seem to have no interest at all in becoming famous.
Most don't evben leave the mountains to take a job in the city below.
they prefer picking and processing tea in the day, and getting drunk at night.
You can see pickup tricks of them driving down the mountain to the nearest bar, once the work day is over.
Here's a picture of those women picking tea. I don't have a picture of the processing plant.
I was invited by the tea farm owner to come see his operation.
Looking at a picture like this one, he warned me, "those are all old women, so don't get your hopes up."
Then later in the office he brought his wife out, and she brought out a granddaughter to sit with us while we talked.
Taiwan was once known as "Dutch Formosa" because the dutch took it over to hunt the long horned sheep in the mountains, and to buy young wives from the Austronesian tribes.
I returned from spending some time there.
In a museum, they said during the Japanese colonization, the first thing they did was impose agriculture on the aborigines. Again that city-agriculture process that kills magic. At least an attempt to.
I also took a few pictures of 3D austronesian wood carvings and they look identical to Olmec heads but with different helmets, rather than rubber helmets. Looks basically the same phenotype, but the headdress could make you confuse them with a Mayan.
Also, many Buddhist temples there have patterns that look like “Greek meander”. Which is interesting but not indicative of magic. It’s just that Greek meander resembles Olmec.
Also, there the Chinese obsession with Jade. Of course, Chinese artifacts don’t represent magic, but Jade was also very valuable in mesoamerica. So that’s another similarity but no trail for magic.
Siberia is a commonality to all of those, as I recall.
We know the Olmecs were thought to originate in Siberia, and Carlos even said that was the likely source.
But Taiwan also. ChatGPT said:
Yes — there is a real and well-documented connection between peoples of Siberia and the Austronesian ancestors in Taiwan, but it isn’t a simple one like “Siberians became Austronesians.”
Instead, it’s part of a complex prehistoric migration pattern backed by linguistics, archaeology, and genetics.
I’ve seen sources claim Genghis Khan consulted spirits for help? Perhaps he could perceive IOBs?
Or is that more likely fear-inducing, pretend-magic, war-propaganda of the time?
Mongolia is pretty close to Siberia, so could be there were different threads of lineages hiding in Asia, or even today? Other than the Taiwanese.
But the information we have seems that, at least from the America’s, Don Juan’s lineage was the one most capable of refining magic into a technology?
Siberia is basically the birth-place of magic we know of, and previously the Denisovans. That is basically the general time-line.