Wouldnt mapping the movement of the assemblage point in a J format result in removing the more abstract side of sorcery and end up giving begginers a strict view of what should happen when they get it to move?
Or does the concept of mapping it have to do with focusing the collective intent of the community on making the same movement until each one gets to SK?
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The movement of the assemblage point in a j like path is a natural one, triggered by the sustained application of the techniques discussed in this forum: dark room gazing, glitter soak, tensegrity, and recapitulation.
What do you base your argument that the ‘j format’ removes the abstract side of sorcery?
What i meant by abstract side of sorcery, is all of the different movements ones point could make when it starts to drift from the tonal concordance position.
I wanted to understand if the reason of consistently moving it in a j shape is because its the easiest way to spot bad players while being on track to silent knowledge, or if its to make begginers be able to connect with a collective intent when exercising the same things.
Didnt the old seers move their point upwards? And didnt they go as far as changing the shape of their cocoon to be in contact with different filaments?
"The conclusion the old sorcerers drew from all this was that the greater the displacement of the assemblage point from its customary position, the more unusual the consequent behavior and, evidently, the consequent awareness and perception."
What i want to understand is what differentiates the intent of the modern seers from theirs to move it in a j shape?
Without the Nagual’s blow which would move the AP from the back to the front of the body directly(my interpretation of the books); us practitioners have to move our AP down our back and up the front inch by inch using the methods mentioned in this subreddit.
But this is already explained in the books? Don't call what you mean the "abstract side of sorcery" when you can't understand what it is, it sets you up to fail by pretending, erase what you mean by "abstract side of sorcery".
He explained that during normal sleep, the shift of the assemblage point runs along either edge of man's band. Such shifts are always coupled with slumber. Shifts that are induced by practice occur along the midsection of man's band and are not coupled with slumber, yet a dreamer is asleep.
"Right at this juncture is where the new and the old seers made their separate bids for power," he went on. "The old seers wanted a replica of the body, but with more physical strength, so they made their assemblage points slide along the right edge of man's band. The deeper they moved along the right edge the more bizarre their dreaming body became. You, yourself, witnessed last night the monstrous result of a deep shift along the right edge."
He said that the new seers were completely different, that they maintain their assemblage points along the midsection of man's band. If the shift is a shallow one, like the shift into heightened awareness, the dreamer is almost like anyone else in the street, except for a slight vulnerability to emotions, such as fear and doubt. But at a certain degree of depth, the dreamer who is shifting along the midsection becomes a blob of light. A blob of light is the dreaming body of the new seers.
"Stellar hatch" (gift to Maui) teaches you to do "movements" of the assemblage point.
And it works too!
What do you guys mean by moving it in a J format? Like the shape of "J"?
There are some commonalities that appear through practice, some differences too. All of these effects can happen with your eyes open.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/mtfwhb/even_better_j_curve_diagram/
Ooh! Thanks!
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Absolutely. It's a known drawback.
Jadey and Cholita are addressing that, in their own unique ways.
But the alternative was letting this knowledge die, at the hands of evil pretenders who only want your money, and have no actual understanding.
Anyway, Carlos created this J curve and the analysis of it. It wasn't our doing.
He did it as an emergency measure, when it was obvious he would die and nothing could stop it.
Oddly, he only seems to have given a single lecture on this topic of the J curve.
Which coincidentally, prevented Cleargreen from using it as their own workshop topic, and possibly polluting it so much we couldn't make use of it in here.
An example of how much harm wrong teaching can do is that Cleargreen pretty much destroyed the most basic tensegrity pass of all. Life saver. It's embarrassing to look online and see Reni and Nyei doing it.
But if you worry about mapping the J curve, just wait until our community starts mapping out many other advanced topics.
Your head will explode...
Here's how to make your own private magical entity, using "Running Man" not-doings. I was doing precisely this at 4AM, wondering how much work it would take to make a post of it.
Now I don't have to!
And as surprising as it might seem, anyone who learns to stream silent knowledge would instantly realize this is inevitable.
SK is an endless way to make practical magic.
Just like the deep red zone.
The difference here is, this entity is coming only from your own awareness, and traces in the dark sea.
You could even summon God himself this way!
But only by summoning your own version, and having that pick up the billions of individual awarenesses, which have been poured into God since mankind first existed.
Better to stick with your own idea of a "genie".
None come from those hated inorganic beings.
Entities like this can probably be stabilized by your energy body and "deployed".
But someone will have to "map it out". Someone besides me...
What do you mean by the “hated inorganic beings”? And is this genie a silent knowledge entity?
Our community in general is too lazy to do any actual work, so that in order to feel as if they are part of all this, they like to hate and fear the inorganic beings, and the old seers.
To show how devout they are.
Pretty much all they have is that kind of religious behavior. Add to that the belief that all you have to do is support cleargreen and pretend to be doing recap and you'll get to go to Castaneda heaven, across a bridge.
They even got Armando's 3rd fake book (which wasn't written by Armando at all), to verify that.
So in order to encourage pretenders to realize there's super cool magic available, such as your own private Genie, and to make it clear that you don't have to fear or despise them, I added that comment.
it's a long going battle in our community, so that I had thought the comment would be obvious and not need explaining.
And yes, that's a silent knowledge entity like Porfirio, or God.
It's specifically what Carlos told us to go find. New leadership from silent knowledge.
It's a supernatural leader that knows everything.
There must be more of those entities in the books, but so far no one has recalled any.
And I don't recall more.
Maybe the magical animals done Juan suggested exist, would be those?
Wasn't there a magical deer hinted at?
That would surely show up to someone who was looking for one, in the woods. Someone who had reached Silent Knowledge.
Keep in mind, Carlos used to read text from above our heads in private classes, .when he didn't have a good answer to a problem or question.
He'd just look above our heads, to the south and slightly east (towards Mexico City I believe), and text would materialize.
But he could just as easily have looked for an SKE.
A silent knowledge entity. In fact, maybe he did! He just wouldn't tell us about such a thing.
Yet it's one of the 3 described methods of silent knowledge, in the books and publications.
Wait, they have a fake book that's not even written by the fake guy?
Someone posted on the internet that he as privy to the deception, and that only the first book was written by Armando, and the rest were written by other people.
Maybe Frank Diaz being one. He's got that awful "Toltec!!!!" book.
Eddy, the publisher, is a total whore.
He'd do that!
He likes to run around with Armando giving autographs.
Likely I ran into Eddy in here the first 2 weeks, when someone in private chat said, of my posts, "That's enough for 2 books!"
Eddy lurks around under the name yololitz or something silly like that.
Had a children's book publishing business before he talked Armando into becoming a faker.