A warning: You CANNOT remove "the self" using meditation or religion. That's a very ugly lie created by greedy people.
You eliminate it by perceiving it DIRECTLY, visibly, as distinct pieces stirring the Nagual with concerns. Which causes the second attention to dissipate, and fail to come into focus.
But why should you have to do this manually? Doesn't stopping your internal dialogue cause your assemblage point to move to the other side of the body at which point the "self" is meaningless?
Yes, of course!
But one day you'll find you can't stop your internal dialogue in less than 3 hours, and you'll already have gotten spoiled into thinking that should only take 10 minutes.
It'll feel very frustrating, somewhat as if you "lost it all".
Of course, you just got greedy and haven't clearly understood the process. And perhaps were getting some supernatural help from infinity.
Now it's time to analyze the process of silence and figure out what's making it take so long to move your assemblage point.
In the process, you'll have to go back and forth between your tonal awareness and perception of "The Nagual", which is likely what you're craving.
While figuring out what the "self" consists of and trying to silence those pieces even more, don't ignore sudden memories of "weird visions" that seem to have lasted a while, JUST NOW, but you have absolutely no memory of them left other than a faint impression.
That's "the abstract" becoming visible between the here, and the there, of your physical body and your energy body.
Except...
The "distance" is now only 6 inches, instead of 10 feet like it was when your double first came to see what you were up to with all those weird tensegrity movements.
Tensegrity "forms" it, but eventually it's just a blue ball of energy surrounding your torso.
Bottom line: don't expect smooth sailing at all points. We always have to work like a dog.
Don Juan said so.
But we get scooby snacks along the way, so it's worth it!
And I didn't mean the dancing hamburgers. That was just the best I could do to represent the oddness of memories of the abstract. It's fine while you're perceiving it, but later on it's just plain nuts.
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Interesting!
Sort of related to how stalking moves the assemblage point to a new position, in part by performing “not doings” of the self, and slowly getting elements of the self out of the “line of sight” of one’s awareness?
So you get more and more silent, and displace your assemblage point more and more, by moving your focus away from the self, and the memories of it either don’t arise or aren’t disruptive enough to pull your focus back to it?
Or maybe I’m way off the mark here 😅
That's the stalking path, but the darkroom path would consider that "pretending", and the wrong thing to focus on.
During darkroom, you only focus on removing EVERY SINGLE WORD from your mind, with the goal being 2 minutes continuously.
The rest happens automatically, as long as you're doing Tensegrity to lure your double to show up as visible magical puffs.
It's the combination of gazing at real magic, and forcing the internal dialogue to stop, that causes the assemblage point to move.
During stalking however, you can be "conniving" and inventive. You study your own habits, gather them up, and figure out a behavior that is outside all of them.
Stalking can be kind of like this, whereas darkroom is more straightforward.
Another way.
"If you can see the predator it will leave"
The self is the predator.
If you can move your AP even a tiny bit, it will give you a little bit of space to step back. Only then can you see your self. The predator. To stalk it you will need more energy so recap the day tonight.
Then maybe you can step back further. Move the AP a tiny bit more. More space so you can see "your"unexamined opinions. What troubles you.
Step back empty. (Stepping back into reverie works for me)
Or you can use the energy gained from recap for darkroom. Carol Tiggs always asked "What works?"
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Thanks for posting. This is kind of related to a question I posed in Discord.
The last couple of times I did the Westwood series of passes, I observed something different after the last recap pass. I was started seeing a diffuse yellow blob in the center of my vision and diffuse blue around my periphery.
The yellow blob stuck around for a bit while morphing. After some seconds, it slowly grew smaller and disappeared. As it was shrinking, the blue was encroaching and eventually filled my vision.
I’m pretty sure I didn’t switch my perception to my energy body. I’m guessing it’s because my inner dialogue flared up — the whole time I was basically narrating what I was seeing. Do you think I need better silence in order to switch from “Here” to “There”?
Absolutely! In fact, the moment you stop emphasizing silence, you stop making progress and even begin to lose some of your gains.
That's pretty much what SK flowing is. Switching over to your double's sight.
At least, when it's "videos in the air".
I saw more text last night, so I suppose Carlos' recommendation for us to look for text is going to work out automatically.
danl999, this is from the comments:
>Not to mention, when your assemblage point begins to move freely because you are getting close to removing it completely, (the human form), you'll check yourself into psychiatric hospital.
I nearly did.
Until you get used to seeing magic while awake, it's pretty worrisome."<
Would you please talk about the before, during, and after of this event. At a workshop Carlos said he was in a hospital for a time, presumably when he went through something similar.
What changes, and what doesn't through this event?
I really want to know the answer to this question too. Drastically shifting your assemblage point feels like it would bring with it a psychological backlash of sorts
I had Little Smoke around to make sure things went right.
So I must admit, I can't really answer that.
One of the gossipy women from private classes said that Carol Tiggs was in a psychiatric facility for a while during the years when don Juan had "taken her".
Which she interpreted as proving Carol was a fake.
But I interpreted it as a sign she wasn't a fake.
When the previous generation takes the Nagual woman, we still don't really know what that means.
Don Juan said that the inorganic beings take a person's double, not their flesh body.
They come back for that later.
And Carlos once said that Taisha and Florinda were missing, but the next day we learned they were still around.
And yet, Carlos seemed fully convinced they were missing.
Maybe what was missing was their double?
I used to interact with Cholita's double often enough, that if it had vanished for a while I'd have noticed it.
Then there's Carlos giving that interview at the very end, saying "I'm already gone and I can't come back" (or "can't return").
And yet, there was Carlos giving an interview.
Miles could help us out with this, but he's dishonest and money hungry, so he won't.
He once took a wrong step in Carlos' house on Pandora, and got lost in their phantom copy of that place.
Florinda had to go in and bring him out.
I'd love to hear what he thought had happened.
But if he thought it was nothing, he wouldn't honestly tell us because it might hurt his "Milf Herding" business model.
Same for all of Cleargreen. They know all sorts of things they ought to tell us, but don't.
I wouldn't assume nothing happened to Miles, because Carlos tried to set me up to do the same thing, standing me right next to the entryway to the phantom copy of the house, and then leaving me there while he went away for 5 minutes.
I only had to take 1 step in the wrong direction, and I'd have gone in there.
But I knew about it, so I didn't.
Fortunately Cholita and Minx made a copy of our home, and I stepped into it the same way Miles had done.
There was no way to tell it from the real thing, other than that the laws of reality had gone out the window.
Otherwise, it looked 100% normal.
So yes...
Sorcery is seemingly nuts.
How is the phantom copy that Cholita and Minx made noticeably different? How do you enter and exit? Intent?
A giant lizard on the wooden floor, walking along scratching its nails.
A squirrel begging for food where the lizard used to be, while Cholita is visible out in her garden digging a deep hole.
A little red haired boy (Minx) smashing the bathroom tiles with a sledgehammer.
Otherwise, it's indistinguishable from the real thing.
Can you do tensegrity, recapitulation, stalking, and dreaming in the phantom copy? Do you practice all of these as a means of stability in the universe of infinite emanations?
I suppose the death defier did, in the city he created to match Tula from the 1600s.
Otherwise, I have no idea.
You'll have to find out for yourself.
I don't understand why, but some part of me thinks this is exciting. ?
You can live entirely in a phantom copy of your home.
In fact, I suspect many of the lineage members only interacted with apprentices, in their double.
And where their physical body was actually located, is not something we were told about.
Except in one of the first books, where don Juan reminds Carlos to "never reveal where a sorcerer's body is located".
Or something like that.
A very odd comment we all ignored.
We ignored so much...